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Posted: 8 years ago
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Awesome post dear. Had read it twice

Thank you so much.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

I am working as a lecturer in a reputed institution that has its group of colleges begining with Plus two,Graduation,post graduation,Management studies ,Engineering and Medical college. And I come across all kind of students and interact with their parents since I work as the coordinator cultural wing and Vivekananda study circle. I wrote the actual facts I observed during my interaction with students.It is ninety percent parent's choice while ten percent chose their course free of will.So I stick to my point. Indian parent mostly dictate terms in deciding the future of their children.


That is a point that is difficult to contest. The whole experience stated points in this direction! Also it is parents who discriminate... yes, they are changing but not fast enough.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Even now instead of accepting her faults done with respect to Neha, she blindly pus all blame on Dev. Hell Dev was only a child when Ishwari decided on what and who is to do what. How can she blame a child for another child's situation. That's
My actual post is directed towards concluding Iswari is not at fault for not providing education to Neha.
I don't think she is blaming Dev. She is telling the facts. If she feels Dev is the reason for Neha's present situation her love for Dev will become a myth. So it is not the case.
Iswari feels guilty for Neha but what she did in her past is not abnormal. Parents generally opt to offer education to one child if they can not afford to do it for two.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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That is a point that is difficult to contest. The whole experience stated points in this direction! Also it is parents who discriminate... yes, they are changing but not fast enough.



I wanted to add my story to this... I am from AP too and born and brought up in Tirupati before I moved to USA for Masters and then eventually settled down there.
Both my mom and dad are professors of Physics and both have Phds from IITs. One think i am proud of is my family as many relatives i know, no one has ever discriminated between boy and girl.
My mom and dad wanted me to be a doctor or even a teacher like them but I chose engineering and chose my own path and so did my brother. But my parents never forced us.
Yes one thing my mom made sure when i was in school and not studying when i should be is to warn me " Do what ever you want and play how much ever you want but you have to get 91% or more ".
I know not sure why 91% and not 90%.. My mom and dad helped us through out our studies and really encouraged us to do Phds after our Masters.. they wanted us to achieve atleast as much as what they have achieved.
But never pushed us and we never did Phds either. Same thing with marriage, I chose my husband - he is not telugu but a maharashtrian... only question my parents asked when we told them was " are you sure ? " ... So I feel blessed to have a family that understands the importance of letting kids decide. ... But I have had so many friends who were married and sent off when they were in 3rd and 4th year of engineering.
atleast 50% of the girls in my class were married by end of engineering and more after masters.. there were very few girls who got to work and be independent before they married.
I have to tell you these girls were married to guys who they didnt know and they were not even happy to get married at that time. But, who will convince their parents.
This was almost 15 yrs ago.. I am sure the story might be different now and the percentage of girls getting married that early may have decreased a lot but it is there nonetheless.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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I wanted to add my story to this... I am from AP too and born and brought up in Tirupati before I moved to USA for Masters and then eventually settled down there.
Both my mom and dad are professors of Physics and both have Phds from IITs. One think i am proud of is my family as many relatives i know, no one has ever discriminated between boy and girl.
My mom and dad wanted me to be a doctor or even a teacher like them but I chose engineering and chose my own path and so did my brother. But my parents never forced us.
Yes one thing my mom made sure when i was in school and not studying when i should be is to warn me " Do what ever you want and play how much ever you want but you have to get 91% or more ".
I know not sure why 91% and not 90%.. My mom and dad helped us through out our studies and really encouraged us to do Phds after our Masters.. they wanted us to achieve atleast as much as what they have achieved.
But never pushed us and we never did Phds either. Same thing with marriage, I chose my husband - he is not telugu but a maharashtrian... only question my parents asked when we told them was " are you sure ? " ... So I feel blessed to have a family that understands the importance of letting kids decide. ... But I have had so many friends who were married and sent off when they were in 3rd and 4th year of engineering.
atleast 50% of the girls in my class were married by end of engineering and more after masters.. there were very few girls who got to work and be independent before they married.
I have to tell you these girls were married to guys who they didnt know and they were not even happy to get married at that time. But, who will convince their parents.
This was almost 15 yrs ago.. I am sure the story might be different now and the percentage of girls getting married that early may have decreased a lot but it is there nonetheless.



You are very lucky to have been born into a home with educated parents, Lavanya. I have also been as blessed, with my dad a distinguished army officer and my mom an educationist. In this kind of an environment, the situation is different and further we constitute a minority of the populace that is so blessed. My statistics refer to the larger populace of parents from struggling socio-economic backgrounds and who have larger dreams for their sons, lesser dreams for their daughters!

Parents sacrifice unimaginable extents to educate their sons and go the distance in taking loans for their daughters marriage. Come 19, the daughter is considered old for marriage and if there is a delay, it is treated as if the heavens are going to fall. Like you said, the girls are married into families and homes that are completely alien to them.. and with it their dreams come crashing down. In the thousands of cases that I have dealt with were parents who were clerks, vegetable sellers, mid-wives, tailors, carpenters, electricians, peons, drivers, maids...sons get educated and daughters passed on to new homes as if a job has been done...

In my start ups, I used to drive the diversity factor at the workplace.. used to hire girls in the final year of engineering but when it came to joining time, a year later, only a handful turned up. The rest got married. Then after joining and within 2 years most girls used to get married and just one or two remained. This trend too is changing but not fast enough.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Lovely post!
But as someone who has lived in multiple countries, I believe parental expectation is not limited to Indian shores. It is a world-wide phenomenon.

Parental expectations stem from few places.

For students who suffer expectation whereby they work harder to make up for their family's sacrifice - it may come from a place of unaffordability.

For girl students suffering from expectation where their education is sacrificed for their male siblings - it comes from a place of patriarchal society and I can assure you that India is not the only patriarchal society in the world. You would be surprised by the number.

For people who suffer from parental expectations to perform well - it may stem from a place where the parents are trying their best to ensure their children are better placed in their future (not saying this works but that is where the pressure comes from)

But IShwari is all this and more. She has become egoistic because not all those who break their backs trying to secure their children's future, succeed. Her effort paid off and today she thinks she is the GOD. When you see her enjoying the God's status bestowed on her by Dev, you realize she is not a normal parent but someone who looks down on the rest because she has something that most fail in.

Therefore, comparing IShwari to Indian parent would be injustice to the regular Indian parent pressurizing their kids.

Disclaimer - I am not condoning Prental pressure on children through this write up but saying that IShwari is more screwed up than the typical Indian parents and Indian Mothers-in-law.
Edited by sandyaramesh - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

@K Mena
Even now instead of accepting her faults done with respect to Neha, she blindly pus all blame on Dev. Hell Dev was only a child when Ishwari decided on what and who is to do what. How can she blame a child for another child's situation. That's

My actual post is directed towards concluding Iswari is not at fault for not providing education to Neha.
I don't think she is blaming Dev. She is telling the facts. If she feels Dev is the reason for Neha's present situation her love for Dev will become a myth. So it is not the case.
Iswari feels guilty for Neha but what she did in her past is not abnormal. Parents generally opt to offer education to one child if they can not afford to do it for two.


But she did blame Dev too for what Neha went through all her life. Remember the episode when after Ranveer visits with divorce notice, Ishwari went to Neha's room and then to Dev-Sona's room. Its there when she said, we two are responsible for what Neha is feeling about the injustice done (something on similar lines), whereas, in reality Neha only blamed Ishwari for what she had done. Ishwari beautifully put equal blame on Dev and made him super guilty.
I for one have never said a word against Ishwari opting to educate one child only in the situations she was in. Any parent might have had done the same as what she did. Its the behaviour of hers towards Neha which is bad parenting or no parenting at all and it continues till date.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Nice post.This is the sad reality of Indian parenting.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pkbdas61


You are very lucky to have been born into a home with educated parents, Lavanya. I have also been as blessed, with my dad a distinguished army officer and my mom an educationist. In this kind of an environment, the situation is different and further we constitute a minority of the populace that is so blessed. My statistics refer to the larger populace of parents from struggling socio-economic backgrounds and who have larger dreams for their sons, lesser dreams for their daughters!

Parents sacrifice unimaginable extents to educate their sons and go the distance in taking loans for their daughters marriage. Come 19, the daughter is considered old for marriage and if there is a delay, it is treated as if the heavens are going to fall. Like you said, the girls are married into families and homes that are completely alien to them.. and with it their dreams come crashing down. In the thousands of cases that I have dealt with were parents who were clerks, vegetable sellers, mid-wives, tailors, carpenters, electricians, peons, drivers, maids...sons get educated and daughters passed on to new homes as if a job has been done...

In my start ups, I used to drive the diversity factor at the workplace.. used to hire girls in the final year of engineering but when it came to joining time, a year later, only a handful turned up. The rest got married. Then after joining and within 2 years most girls used to get married and just one or two remained. This trend too is changing but not fast enough.

Lavanyaji Yes Like Pkb Das ji said you are lucky to have your choice in your education as well as marriage. But really the percentage of such lucky people is far lesser than those who have to abide by their parent's choice.Like I said in my post Mytri my student topper who stood first even among autonomous colleges,ours being one such,has to sacrifice her MBA dreams for her brother.It is the bitter truth . I came across many cases where girl's are forced to take a back seat to help their brothers move forward.
My point here is Iswari like most of the Indian parents set goals for Dev helped him reach the top and deprived Neha of her formal education.I don't want to mention the names but for this act of her she is called a sinner. In this post I am not discussing what she did afterwards. I point out that this reason is not sufficient to call her a sinner.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Lovely post!
But as someone who has lived in multiple countries, I believe parental expectation is not limited to Indian shores. It is a world-wide phenomenon.

@ Really? Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Parental expectations stem from few places.

For students who suffer expectation whereby they work harder to make up for their family's sacrifice - it may come from a place of unaffordability.

For girl students suffering from expectation where their education is sacrificed for their male siblings - it comes from a place of patriarchal society and I can assure you that India is not the only patriarchal society in the world. You would be surprised by the number.

For people who suffer from parental expectations to perform well - it may stem from a place where the parents are trying their best to ensure their children are better placed in their future (not saying this works but that is where the pressure comes from)

@ Yes. There may be different reasons for parents to expect the best from their children but the fact is most of the children are the bi products of parental expectations.

Very few children are allowed to chose on their own and pursue their dreams.


But IShwari is all this and more. She has become egoistic because not all those who break their backs trying to secure their children's future, succeed. Her effort paid off and today she thinks she is the GOD. When you see her enjoying the God's status bestowed on her by Dev, you realize she is not a normal parent but someone who looks down on the rest because she has something that most fail in.
@ Isn't it an achievement for an illiterate woman to get her son reach the heights of success? If we get an award we certainly feel proud. Hers is a Rags to Riches story. A single mother fighting odds for the betterment of their position . Such stories are inspirational.

Dev do not believe in God. To him his mother is the God.
He touches her feet before going for work.
Nothing wrong with that. Matru Devo Bhava.Mother is to be worshipped then father,then teacher.
Ofcourse Dev forgot this when he was denied to have Sona as his wife. He did not touch her feet.
Quite natural. Human mentality . As for Iswari believing her to be the God,she very well knows
her son by now. I feel all her false notions must have gone with the wind after seeing Dev's behaviour
when he was away from Sona.

Therefore, comparing IShwari to Indian parent would be injustice to the regular Indian parent pressurizing their kids.
@ I very much place Iswari among Indian Parents. She may have her minus points but every parent also will have some.


Disclaimer - I am not condoning Prental pressure on children through this write up but saying that IShwari is more screwed up than the typical Indian parents and Indian Mothers-in-law.

[@ The writers spoiled her Charecter to highlight the female lead by all means.Otherwise Iswari's Charecter would have stood out among all the mother or mother in law charecters of Indian television.

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