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Posted: 9 years ago
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As far as I heard of Devdasi is server of god . She is offered to the temple and she spends her life in the temple taking care of god and the temple . Basically saying she can not marry and she is something like nun of church . Unless yeah sometimes incidents happen and she may get pregnant and her child father can be unknown . The child will be taken as the god 's child and will become the next Pandit if a boy or Paditni or something like that 😕 but they are not actually prostitutes .
It's not only in Hindu but even Buddhist there is this tradition only that in the Buddhist tradition both girl and boy are offered to the monastery .

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ananya2010

As far as i know there is no Krishnadasi but only term used is Devadasi which means dasi of Dev (God) and this tradition is followed more in Karnataka, may be i am wrong but have heard of it here a lot, rest which have explained it.


Even I said same thing, there is no Krishnadasi !!

Devadasi tradition is seen in most parts of South India (not just in Karnataka) with different names ... Devadasi in Tamilnadu; Devadasi, Maathangi, Jogini, Yellamma/Renuka in parts of Telangana & AP, Mahari in Odisha; Basavi in Karnataka; Yellamma/Renuka in Karnataka and Maharashtra. Usually girls belonging to socially marginalized groups are ONLY devoted to deity or should I say exploited under the pretext of god. Am not very sure about North India


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Posted: 9 years ago
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No they are not server of God but they are married to God.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: PanchaliKaArjun

As far as I heard of Devdasi is server of god . She is offered to the temple and she spends her life in the temple taking care of god and the temple . Basically saying she can not marry and she is something like nun of church . Unless yeah sometimes incidents happen and she may get pregnant and her child father can be unknown . The child will be taken as the god 's child and will become the next Pandit if a boy or Paditni or something like that 😕 but they are not actually prostitutes .

It's not only in Hindu but even Buddhist there is this tradition only that in the Buddhist tradition both girl and boy are offered to the monastery .



Buddhist monks, nuns are completely different from Devadasis. After years of spiritual training, commitment and abstinence one is allowed to take vows as monk or nun while devadasis live more or less normal life serving both temple and patrons of the temple.

They are married to deity in a ceremony and sleep with the patrons as the saying goes "God lives in every one", so the name "Sacred Prostitutes". Majority of the Devadasis bear children and raise them without having father (fortunately back then there was no stigma attached & children are treated legitimate)
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: hanishank

I do not know exactly what they are...but what I rememred is when I was a kid I have seen a function in temple goddess near my village,they belongs to backward classes...they were making a girl as mathamma and she should not marry

but now as time passed, those tradition s also vanished with education and govt offering lands to them for farming for their living


Hope you don't mind asking, are you from AP / Telangana??
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@sandib thanks for asking this question as it has explained the term for many of us .
It is really an interesting term on which all the show is based. It is really a bold gesture to make such a show, highlighting a concept to which social stigma is attached. In a way they justify the prostitution in the name of religion, giving it another name.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: AshVarna



Hope you don't mind asking, are you from AP / Telangana??


from andhra :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
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k...i am not new to IF...but new here...
i started watching d show for 2 reasons...one for DYM-shravan..n 2nd to know d concept of krishnadasi..

i was worried to ask my doubts louder bcz d complications d concept has...dats y i never came to this forums...

thanks to hanishank n shravan fan...telling me dat its ok to ask doubts here...bcz most of d ppl has same type of doubts...

i got few details from d discussions as well as reading articles...

@AShVarna, thanks for d info...

n yah, i read in bhudhism also, d concept z follwed but its a degraded one n treated as dat...

u know few things i read made me think wat this people z actually dng...dnt they hav humanity...

hope this time, they r gng to show d change or eradication of devdasi sytem...those gals needed freedom for sure...

wen i was reading, it says south india z major in this custom...it was active vth differnt names in differnt parts of d country for sure...

one thing which caught my attention was, in TN, Iyers, which z brahmin equal of other parts also into devdasi system bcz of their dancing n music capabilities...especially d tanjore...dat chola's time, in dat Brihadeeswar temple more than 400 devdasi names vl always b there...

in karnataka, andhra odhisha n few parts of maharashtra d procedure z still gng on...

Vasant Rajas, "Devdasi: Shodha ani bodha", (marathi), Sugava Prakashan, Pune, 1997, mentions of an inscription of 1004 A.D., in Tanjor Temple mentioning the numbers of devdasis to be 400 in Tanjor, 450 in Brahideswara temple and 500 in Sorti Somnath temple. [Vasant Rajas, p.3]

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As foreign examples are not applicable to India, the search for time of origin of Devadasi cult in India should start with Harrapan Civilization, which shows no trace of offering of girls in worshiping places. The well known bronze 'dancing girl' is referred by Basham as a representation of temple dancer, but he himself admits that "this can not be proved". As a matter of fact, "historians remained silent about existence of temple or common place of worship" in Harrapan Civilization. [Joga Shankar, p. 38] Though it was a Dravidian civilization, as has been amply proved, it had no connection with the devadasi cult.

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dravidian mostly abt d south indian languages n sytem...as much as i know

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Buddhist period

That way, prostitution is supposed to be the oldest profession. The known history of India starts in sixth century B.C. and we find in Buddha's time, an illegitimate child, becomming a renowned courtesan Amrapali, who later became a Bhikkuni.


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The term devadasi is a Sanskrit term denoting female servant of deity, but they are known by different names in different areas. Jogan Shankar gives the names by which they are known in various parts, such as Maharis in Kerala, Natis an Assam, Muralis in Maharashtra, Basavis in Karnataka State. [p.16] Though the name 'devadasi' is popular, in Goa they use the term 'Bhavanis'. 'Kudikar' on the West-Cost 'Bhogam-Vandhi' or 'Jogin' in Andhra Pradesh; Thevardiyar' in Tamil Nadu; 'Murali', 'Jogateen' and 'Aradhini' in Maharashtra. In Karnataka, old devadasis are called as 'Jogati' and young devadasis as 'Basavi'. The term 'Basavi' refers to feminine form of 'Basava' a bull which roams the village at will without any restriction. Hence 'Basavi' alludes to the foot loose position of the woman. [Jogan Shankar, p. 157]

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Some examples of Brahmanic sexual exploitation

According to Ramanika Gupta, in certain parts in Bihar, even now, a new dalit bride has to spend the first night with the village head man. [Sugawa, p.69]

A bazaar is organized in Dholpur for sale of Dalit girls. [Sugawa, p. 69]

Kamble describes a custom called Okali. On first or second Saturday comming after the Hindu New Years Day (Gudhi padawa), the devadasis were openly sexually enjoyed in public, about hundred years ago. This is now replaced by another tradition called "Okali", which was in vogue till 1987. It is a festival like 'Rang Panchami'. The young boys from higher castes assemble around a pool of coloured water in front of town temple. Young devadasis in the town stand in front of them in a row, and each receives a sari, a choli and a flower garland. The coloured water is poured over the devadasis who appear virtually naked as the cloths given to them are very thin, scanty, delicate and transparent. The boys play with the bodies of devadasis as they like, doing everything just short of sexual intercourse. All assembled enjoy the scene. This happens in the name of god 'Bili Kallappa'. [Uttam Kamble, Sugawa, p. 81]

Vasant Rajas describes another custom, called "Sidi attu" in town Madakeripura in Karnataka which was in vogue till 1987, when it was banned by the Govt. Here a devadasi is suspended with a hook in her back on one end of a transverse rod placed on a vertical pole planted in ground, and rotated by a rope at the other end. She salutes the gathering, while her garments fly and all the naked lower part of her body is visible to all, for their amusement. This was supposed to bring prosperity to town, and the devadasi used to get a sari, a choli, a coconut and a betel nut, for which she thanked the gathering. [p. 27]


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Devdasi system among Muslims

The influence over Muslims of hindu of devdasi tradition is mentioned by Vasant Rajas. Some muslim sects had started offering girls to 'dargas'. Such girls were called 'acchutis'. There is a colony of such people in Lucknow in U.P. even today. The girl is married to Koran, Nikah is performed, the girl is called 'bibi' and is condemned to lead a life of prostitution. [Vasant Rajas, p. 17]

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in karnataka n andhra, yellama z d name n d people r still following d system even after d govt orders n laws not to follow...

there z an act Bombay Devadasi Act, 1934, to define them also...


few lines from d articles i read...which made me feel d intensity of s concept...hope it vl b eradicated soon...

i think these are from research scholors on this particular topic...
Edited by lavv - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: AshVarna

To be precise, there is no Krishnadasi...it is only Devadasi (Slave to God). Mahari, Jogini, Maathangi, Yellamma, Basavi are similar forms of traditions in which predominantly girls are dedicated to deity

In Devadasi tradition girl is devoted to worship, mostly lord Krishna with priest / zamindaar or elder devadasi tying the mangalasutra. Traditionally devadasis are temple dancers & musicians who would perform only in religious places and serve King / Zamindaar / Priest or other nobles as Sacred Prostitutes. Tradition runs in the family & children born to Devadasi are dedicated to deity. Children never knew who fathered them but made to believe they are born to god.


Despite all this there was no stigma attached to Devadasis and their children are treated as legitimate. Considered as "Good Omen" Devadasis enjoyed privileges in performing all religious rituals & marriages Ironically though used as objects of sexual gratification by nobles of the town still Devadasis take the tradition with huge pride


thanks for d info...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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i feel nausea after reading the info you shared lavv... such a hypocrisy... disgraceful rituals.

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