Originally posted by: estee
okay, got it... should i be saying "poor pari" just now, and reserving a special place in my hate-prem parade for you?
Yes, I guess you might as well. π
dunno what the fc is -- but i do love one thing about how hc has done prem. that in this role of prem, he can be absolutely still, and then be absolutely on fire.
FC: Fan Club - here on IF....link: http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=989555&TPN=1 I suggest you atleast go look at page 1...you'll be floored.
Well put...its the intensity and passion that comes across so well together. And he's so poised...*sigh* could talk about this all day....π
there have been two "periods" to prem - the prem that was b.h. (before heer) and the prem that is after (a.h.)
It still amazes me how very different the two are...he just transformed...
i keep marvelling that both prems are so totally different. it was like he was a still deep pool b.h., like one of those lakes up in the swiss alps constantly surrounded by rock and ice.
and a.h., he's like a pool in the mountains at the edge of bombay, surrounded by green, trees, with wind rippling it's surface, fish moving in it's depths, sunlight sparkling on it's waves - full of life.
Love the way you put it. "b.h.", he was so reserved, shielded from the rest of the world...hiding behind a smile that didn't come close to reaching his eyes....but "a.h.", he just came out of his tightly wound cocoon and we began to see the layers of Prem slowly peel. It wasn't until after Heer that he realized what had been missing from his life all along..."b.h." though he had everything he could want/need, you could clearly see an emptiness in his eyes....she filled the void.
i thought it was totally marvellous how he achieved that transformation from the point of that tempestuous-blow-me-down love-confession of his to heer. after that, it was like he was playing someone totally new -- and i believed all of it!! to get me to believe it was the same guy all along -- that was ... wow.
That confession will go down in history. Though the transformation started the night at the shiv mandir (he didn't return the same Prem, if you remember), it was after the confession that we really saw him finally shed the last of his "b.h." layers.
π don't forget to keep me in the loop!!
Of course I will....
you are right, of course. i've only seen him as prem. prem is the perfect lover. you are right. there is no hint of non-sweetness in him. even his blazes of anger is sweet 'cause it is just another fierce display of his heer-love. and how can that be anything other than unbearably sweet? i mean, he uses language that sounds incredibly violent -- i should've been shuddering at it given how much i detest violence. and yet, i don't.
As Ali, he was innocent/naive/worshipped his principles....so there was this sweetness that came across because he always did the right thing no matter what...it was almost this kiddish sweetness...like a boy trying to please his parents all the time or something. Akshat was just fun-loving and good-hearted...thus the sweetness....and I think a lot of Harsh himself came out in Akshat. It seems as though maybe the character was easier to play for him than Ali. With Prem, his sweetness comes with his "main-bhagwan-nahi-hoon" factor. It comes with the fact that he can do no wrong, he is "perfect Prem".
Agreed with what you say about violence. Mandap scene for example...he was livid, talking about "aag laga dounga", "aankhen phod dounga" (the latter made me wince b/c I have a thing with eyes...it makes me cringe), but I couldn't help but immediately look past the "violent" nature and admire him for it.
but still... for me, the intensity of prem is what stands out. the depth of ... any and all emotion. as i said, whether it is "good (sweet) fire" or "bad (bitter) fire", i think he's capable of both. i said this in one of the earliest topics i ever talked in on this forum: i would have loved to have seen hc play karna. the most bitter and the most sorry character in mahabharat. i'd have loved to have seen what hc would've done with it... i believe he would've done a great job of it.
Of course his intensity is what makes Prem who he is. HC gets lost in the emotions of Prem - he drowns himself in the emotions, which is why each one comes across with such conviction. He feels every emotion with the whole of his heart....I think he's rather impulsive too because of this. He lives the one emotion to the fullest for the moment, and he's lost in it. Thats where the intensity comes from. For that moment, he's not confused or torn between multiple emotions.
of course, that is just what i believe -- we can't know for sure, i guess...
Actually I wouldn't mind seeing him portray a Karn. Undoubtedly one of my favoritre characters in MB because of his complexity. He tried to do good, always wanted to, but somehow got caught between his "do good" principles and his "repay duryodhan" fever. It was quite sad in the end to see him so defeated/broken. Yes, E, I think HC would have been brilliant as Karn.
ooooh. what fun! you've yet to read wuthering heights!! by emily bronte. with the central character of heathcliffe, who would really do anything for his soulmate, the love of his life. and by anything, i mean, anything from starving himself nearly to death to sacrificing other people's lives just to punish his love for choosing not to be with him. heathcliffe is the most terrible, most romantic character that (imho) has ever been written.
and i have this total conviction that hc would do it justice. i just don't trust anyone in hindi-tv-serial land to create a show that does the story justice. oh, i would give anything to be able to write the screenplay for this tale, if only the producers would promise to stick with my version and they would get hc to play heathcliffe, with ag as his catherine.
Great. Shall buy it tomorrow. I just finished a book a few days ago, so was in the market for a new one. Thanks for the recommendation, I"ll get back to you once I've read it.
ya. i am cursed. it's particularly bad if it makes me mad. 'cause if i yell about something, my mom's gonna say that i'm getting too excited and kill the cable connection. she's always looking for the smallest reason to kill it -- i can't believe we've had it for so long! (once, while at home in india, she gave the tv away to the maid! although that was not because of anything i did... π)
It must be difficult to be you. I'm so sorry. I'm glad I don't watch Indian TV beyond this show and an occasional musical reality show (ok, don't kill me, its my undying love for music and my secret wish to actually be able to learn music that makes me sit and watch in awe of those that have this ability).
oooh, cool. i'll have to make sure that i've got you in the right category on this question then! although, i think intelligence of the show is winning clearly here...
Intelligence of the show? You're sure its not just the fact that the actors are able and competent so as not to stand around looking dumb founded?
ya, tell me. i think not though... i have faith that dq ain't as bad as laluchacha is.π
will get back to you...
πππ no way! with that, i might as well do a full-confessional to my mom and watch as she strips all pre.. er ... kdmhmd access from my life. ππ
why should you care if your "pre...er...kdmhmd" access is stripped? Don't you HATE "pre...er...kdmhmd" anyway? π
no, no, the forum's it. and i'm just gonna stick with this show - i'll be as happy as i can possibly be in this insanity. π
As you wish. Don't say I didn't warn you.