9 jul: big things, little things

there's nothing like a day at the singapore zoo to make you forget a lot about life. and when you go with a menagerie of your own, it because even more easy to forget there's a show that you see, with a dreamy-eyed demon living on the edges of your consciousness. but today, we were back on the sofa that didn't look like it would take five girls, two dogs, one little sleeping boy, and a guy with perpetual laughter in his eyes. the laughter that burst into guffaws whever the decibel levels that came out from the rest of the couch skyrocketed with the appearance of a certain young mr. juneja on screen.
oh, how i love my mad cousins. with them, i can forget i hate prem! 😆

we saw two days shows one after the other. and it was hard understanding the big and little things in the shows, with all the high emotional levels exploding around me. it felt like i was seeing the show with the forum! 🤣

* prem thing: what was prem trying to tell heer when he saw how much she was trying to run away from him at the party? he knew he had hurt her hugely. he looked taken aback at her stubborness to run away from him, not wanting to talk to him at all! i want to know! 😆

* little thing: wasn't it funny how the people of the house -- heer, prem, meher -- were the only people not "enjoying" the party??? noticed how meher was standing with her hands folded in the middle of the dancing floor?

* big thing: said it before, saying it again. laluchacha is a terribly selfish being for forcing his life on his children. i was embarrased at how much of emotional blackmail he is trying to use to get grown up children to do what he wanted!! i was flabbergasted at how much of a control freak he was showing himself to be -- ordering grown up children to choose? how much of uncivility he was displaying -- in their own house, insulting heer? telling prem to shut up?? he has gone insane.

* heer thing: heer was brilliant today. even though, she is incredibly hurt and bruised from prem turning her away, she is the only one who has the courage and the desparate love for prem to literally beg laluchacha not to leave. and more importantly, not to take prem's family away from him. and prem noticed. 😊

* prem thing: but we must be thankful for one good result of laluchacha's bullying. in a prem-mute episode, laluchacha's crude behaviour to heer gave us the only word prem uttered. and uttered in such style! oh. it was magnificent watching the transformation of the misery into first the thunder of disbelief dawning on prem's face, and then the blaze of warning anger. i've always wondered how prem would react to laluchacha "hurting" heer. this was superb.

* big thing: and of course, it also drew the boundaries of behaviour that gayatri-mom considered intolerable, and made her able to speak up. speak up without hesistation, or fear.

y'know what truly amazed me about gayatri-mom's performance? that she, who has silently and with copious tears, tolerated so much of laluchacha's insanity, does not get cheap, or screechy, or insane like laluchacha. 'cause where laluchacha is always screaming about how he is hurt, his old age plans are shot, he needs respect for what he has done, gayatri-mom is fighting only for her son, not herself. the anger was not selfish or self-righteous. and thus, her anger was noble. only something so pure could've allowed her to almost calmly shut her husband's ranting up, holding up her hand.
(hmm, do you think that prem picked up the hand gesture from gayatri-mom??? 😆)

so, while prem might have admonished preet not to speak against his father, there was nothing that prem could've possibly said to his mother about not going against his father. the prem who has always pushed his mother to be with laluchacha today stood silent. and what a good thing too! for her only desire is: "obey the dictates of your fate, your soul -- start doing what it takes to marry heer". and how can her son disobey?? 😆

* little thing: i thought it was brilliant when she refers to prem as having been born from her "womb", weaned on"her milk". he isn't. but neither of them have ever cared. i thought that was a brilliant allusion to the time that prem asked her why she didn't prove that she was his mother. just brilliant. 👏

* prem thing: would he have moved to make heer his even if his mother had not appeared with her wonderful catalytic presence and direction for prem? after what his father said to heer, would he have done it anyway???! i want to know. 😕

* highlight of the episode: gayatri-mom silencing her enraged husband with just one gesture of her hand -- even in his insanity, laluchacha appeared to helplessly obey that command. there was something rather royal about that gesture. but strangely enough, even with gayatri-mom's brilliance, for me the highlight were the expressions on preet's face when gayatri-mom demanded prem make heer his bride, when she acknowledged heer as her daughter-in-law. my heart sang to see how glad preet was for his brother, how proud he was of his mother and her fighting for his brother. it was these that just made the episode for me. dunno why.

* prem thing: the sheer beauty of his act of going down on one knee to heer, with his head bowed before her, in front of his proud, pleased mother, and his disbelieving, hostile father, was almost unbearable. seriously, seriously switched on all my wow-that's-beautiful buttons. 😳 maybe heer was similarly stunned by the beauty of it -- her nod yes was almost imperceptible! thank goodness, at least prem and everyone else there with her got it!! 😆

(the amount of wind from the collective sighs from the female contingent on the sofa, when prem knelt, was enough to lift the laughing-eyed cousin's hair in a very prem-like fashion.... gee, that would be a cheap way to do the special effects in the show, no? get a bunch of girls for free, to stand around when prem-heer look into each other's eyes. sigh they would go, and up the prem-hair would go. cheaper than buying an electric fan to do the same. 😆)

* prem thing: did anyone else notice how his eyes, lifted to heer's when asking her to marry him (finally! you donkey. if you weren't so pretty, i'd hit you on the upside of your head!), didn't break contact even when laluchacha left in a huff?

prem-heer eye-contact rules, and rules forever! no laluchacha is going to get in the way of that!! 😆

* prem-heer thing: what pleased little faces these two had at the end of the down-on-one-knee proposal! it was so cute! (made me want to hit prem on the upside of his head even harder for not having just done the damned thing earlier!)

* big thing: oh-oh, dirtchachi is back! and grinding her teeth at news of the prem-heer engagement. she's out to get prem for the disastrous non-wedding to ashlesha for sure. i do wish that preet would be a little more careful in how he invokes the dirtchachi weapon against his father. he really doesn't know how far she can go to get something for herself. 🤢

what was new in this scene was that ashlesha's father also didn't sound happy about the engagement. he's such a spud-head -- why does he care? i hate all this vile contingent gathering around to make new troubles for prem and heer. like they weren't good enough at making trouble for themselves! 🤣

i just realised that all the misery in the show was not as bad as dirtchachi being around.

* prem thing: hmm, so is he miserable because he is beginning to realise more and more how much laluchacha is allergic to heer in prem's life? what was the meaning of his remembering those things? i want to know. 😕

* little thing: so did anyone else think that the old guy's story was just tooooo much of a coincidence? er, did it cross anyone else's mind that he was planted there by dirtchachi's gang?? no?

okay, how about they are so touched by the story, that prem and heer will invite the old guy to live with them and treat them as his children? no?

* little thing: so who else thinks that heer's going to take prem to the hospital to treat his new wound with a tentanous shot? and that while they are there, the ambulance will bring laluchacha to be treated?

who else thinks that while they are all at the hospital, dirtchachi will use her wiles and schemes to try to get heer to leave prem? (then she will get me to hit her on the upside of her head!)

who else thinks that maybe laluchacha will wake up, pretending or really appear to have temporary loss of memory? and he will not remember prem having disobeyed him about ashlesha?
no, no, no? okay, good. i didn't like any of them either. 😆
i guess i'll remain content to wait and watch. 😆

highlight of the episode having people with me to share being dreamy-eyed at prem-antics, prem-heer eye contacts while watching the show! 😆 no, not your kind of highlight? hmm. prem going down on his knee to heer. prem and heer looking calm and rosy and happy after the proposal scene. preet looking happy for his brother. preet's happiness makes my heart soar.

("i want to know" is my new favourite phrase. stolen from the little sleeping boy. the same boy who gave me the name estee. have i mentioned i adore my madcap cousins? 😆)

Originally posted by: estee

there's nothing like a day at the singapore zoo to make you forget a lot about life. and when you go with a menagerie of your own, it because even more easy to forget there's a show that you see, with a dreamy-eyed demon living on the edges of your consciousness. but today, we were back on the sofa that didn't look like it would take five girls, two dogs, one little sleeping boy, and a guy with perpetual laughter in his eyes. the laughter that burst into guffaws whever the decibel levels that came out from the rest of the couch skyrocketed with the appearance of a certain young mr. juneja on screen.
Sounds fun dear. I love the zoo in general. Haha...It made you forget that Prem exists and you love to hate...or hate to love him? 😆 Wow...thats quite a family...2 dogs? what kind? Aaw...sleeping boy...too cute! Glad you had such a great day! Sounds wonderful! 😛
oh, how i love my mad cousins. with them, i can forget i hate prem! 😆
Wow...you forget you hate Prem when they're around? Thats even more reason to love 'em!
we saw two days shows one after the other. and it was hard understanding the big and little things with high emotional levels exploding around me. it felt like i was seeing the show with the forum! 🤣 Hey! You take that back! 😆

* prem thing: what was prem trying to tell heer when he saw how much she was trying to run away from him at the party? he knew he had hurt her hugely. he looked taken aback at her stubborness to run away from him, not wanting to talk to him at all! i want to know. 😆
I wondered the same...he was stunned at her anger...i would have loved for them to have it out with one another then and there...

* little thing: wasn't it funny how the people of the house -- heer, prem, meher -- were the only people not "enjoying" the party??? noticed how meher was standing with her hands folded in the middle of the dancing floor?
I noticed the same....it was weird that no one noticed they weren't particularly happy.

* big thing: said it before, saying it again. laluchacha is a terribly selfish being for forcing his life on his children. i was embarrased at how much of emotional blackmail he is trying to use to get grown up children to do what he wanted!! i was flabbergasted at how much of a control freak he was showing himself to be -- ordering grown up children to choose? how much of uncivility he was displaying -- in their own house, insulting heer? telling prem to shut up?? he has gone insane.
I wonder, if Prem is dead for him, then why show up at Prems house and show that he has any sort of "haq" on Prem and his life? What a hypocrit! 😡
* heer thing: heer was brilliant today. even though, she is incredibly hurt and bruised from prem turning her away, she is the only one who has the courage and the desparate love for prem to literally beg laluchacha not to leave. and more importantly, not to take prem's family away from him. and prem noticed. 😊
LOVED the way she got down and begged...loved the look of unconditional love on Prem's face when she did, too...he was almost in disbelief that this was the same girl that was livid with him just a few moments ago...and now, she was on her knees, begging his undeserving father not to turn his back on his son. Loved how she was, as you said, the only one with the courage to beg Ullu...ah, the power of love.

* prem thing: but we must be thankful for one good result of laluchacha's bullying. in a prem-mute episode, laluchacha's crude behaviour to heer gave us the only word prem uttered. and uttered in such style! oh. it was magnificent watching the transformation of the misery into first the thunder of disbelief dawning on prem's face, and then the blaze of warning anger. i've always wondered how prem would react to laluchacha "hurting" heer. this was superb.
Ok, I will give him his due credit there. There was so much anger in his expressions...and the one word resonated...it was so powerful. His expression and the one word were lethal...I thought for sure He would kill the Ullu...and I"m sure if the Ullu wasn't his father, he would have murdered him w/ his bare hands. He was BRILLIANT too, in the way he stood there, like a man, and looked Ullu in the face. That was THE Prem! 😳
* big thing: and of course, it also drew the boundaries of behaviour that gayatri-mom considered intolerable, and made her able to speak up. speak up without hesistation, or fear.
LOVED Gayatri mom and her fearless tirade against Ullu yesterday. I can't help but think it was years of opressed anger capped off by losing her son on behalf of the Idiot that all came out yesterday.
y'know what truly amazed me about gayatri-mom's performance? that she, who has silently and with copious tears, tolerated so much of laluchacha's insanity, does not get cheap, or screechy, or insane like laluchacha. Bingo - love how you put it. 'cause where laluchacha is always screaming about how he is hurt, his old age plans are shot, he needs respect for what he has done, gayatri-mom is fighting only for her son, not herself. Isse kehte hai, maa ka pyaar. We're so lucky to have it. the anger was not selfish or self-righteous. and thus, her anger was noble. Noble. I love it. only something so pure could've allowed her to almost calmly shut her husband's ranting up, holding up her hand.
(hmm, do you think that prem picked up the hand gesture from gayatri-mom??? 😆)Why yes, perhaps this is exactly where he learned it...however, I think I've seen Ullu do the same a number of times....😕

BIG THING: so, while prem might have admonished preet not to speak against his father, there was nothing that prem could've possibly said to his mother about not going against his father. the prem who has always pushed his mother to be with laluchacha today stood silent.
I love how you stated this. This was a huge thing if you ask me. I overlooked it completely, but yes, the same person that would never let maa choose btwn father and son stood silent today as his mother chose him. 👏

* prem thing: would he have moved to make heer his even if his mother had not appeared with her wonderful catalytic presence and direction for prem? after what his father said to heer, would he have done it anyway???! i want to know. 😕
I wonder the same. I think if not for the kasam he wouldn't have. 😕

* highlight of the episode: gayatri-mom silencing her enraged husband with just one gesture of her hand I LOVED IT! Ullu got a taste of his own medicine, and I reveled in it!-- even in his insanity, laluchacha appeared to helplessly obey that command.There was no going against Gayatri yesterday...and Ullu surprisingly wasn't stupid enough to try and stop her. there was something rather royal about that gesture. Agreed. but strangely enough, even with gayatri-mom's brilliance, for me the highlight were the expressions on preet's face when gayatri-mom demanded prem make heer his bride, when she acknowledged heer as her daughter-in-law. my heart sang to see how glad preet was for his brother, how proud he was of his mother and her fighting for his brother. it was these that just made the episode for me. dunno why. I'm so glad you caught that too...It was a big thing for me in yesterday's episode...I just loved Preet's happiness...as soon as Gayatri took the Jal in her hands, Preet was grinning as if he knew exactly how it was gonna work...Gayatri was gonna lay down the law and demand Premeer marriage, and thats how it was gonna be. He was so elated...I loved it.

* prem thing: the sheer beauty of his act of going down on one knee to heer, with his head bowed before her, That one gesture took my breath away.... in front of his proud, pleased mother, and his disbelieving, hostile father, was almost unbearable. Almost? It was unbearable. Unbearably sweet...unbearably heartwarming...It brought tears to my eyes. seriously, seriously switched on all my wow-that's-beautiful buttons. 😳 maybe heer was similarly stunned by the beauty of it did you notice the initial look on Heer's face when he first went down on one knee for her? It was one of pure love...but also, as if she were saying "you don't have to do that for me" -- her nod yes was almost imperceptible! thank goodness, at least prem and everyone else there with her got it!! 😆 I agree...it was just a small nod, easy to miss.

(the amount of wind from the collective sighs from the female contingent on the sofa, when prem knelt, was enough to lift the laughing-eyed cousin's hair in a very prem-like fashion.... gee, that would be a cheap way to do the special effects in the show, no? get a bunch of girls for free, to stand around when prem-heer look into each other's eyes. sigh they would go, and up the prem-hair would go. cheaper than buying an electric fan to do the same. 😆)
Hilarious! 🤣
* prem thing: did anyone else notice how his eyes, lifted to heer's when asking her to marry him (finally! you donkey. if you weren't so pretty, i'd hit you on the upside of your head! hahahaha!! 🤣), didn't break contact even when laluchacha left in a huff? Yes...I saw....*swoon*

prem-heer eye-contact rules, and rules forever! no laluchacha is going to get in the way of that!! 😆 Thank God For That!

* prem-heer thing: what pleased little faces these two had at the end of the down-on-one-knee proposal! it was so cute! (made me want to hit prem on the upside of his head even harder for not having just done the damned thing earlier!)
It was as if they could sigh in relief...as is finally unki zindagi safal hui...as if all the months of crying was finally worth it.
* big thing: oh-oh, dirtchachi is back! and grinding her teeth at news of the prem-heer engagement. she's out to get prem for the disastrous non-wedding to ashlesha for sure. i do wish that preet would be a little more careful in how he invokes the dirtchachi weapon against his father. he really doesn't know how far she can go to get something for herself. 🤢
Hated to see her back today. Undoubtedly she's still plotting against Prem. I like how Preet pushes her buttons, but yes, I dont' think he fully realizes how dangerous she really is.
what was new in this scene was that ashlesha's father also didn't sound happy about the engagement. he's such a spud-head -- why does he care? i hate all this vile contingent gathering around to make new troubles for prem and heer. like they weren't good enough at making trouble for themselves! 🤣
I could care less about the joru ka gulam...
i just realised that all the misery in the show was not as bad as dirtchachi being around.
I think you have a point.
* prem thing: hmm, so is he miserable because he is beginning to realise more and more how much laluchacha is allergic to heer in prem's life? what was the meaning of his remembering those things? i want to know. 😕
Hated prem's repenting today...Is this the same Prem that once said "meri wafa aise hai ke uske liye main koi bhi rishta tod sakta hoon"? What happened to that Prem? That was THE Prem. I miss him!😕😭
* little thing: so did anyone else think that the old guy's story was just tooooo much of a coincidence? er, did it cross anyone else's mind that he was planted there by dirtchachi's gang?? no?
Hated the old guy angle...it was unnecessary...as if Prem wasn't repenting enough before the old guy shows up...🤢

okay, how about they are so touched by the story, that prem and heer will invite the old guy to live with them and treat them as his children? no?
I LIKE THIS IDEA!!!! 👏

* little thing: so who else thinks that heer's going to take prem to the hospital to treat his new wound with a tentanous shot? and that while they are there, the ambulance will bring laluchacha to be treated?
I would love to see her do that...but I doubt it will happen. I think when Ullu meets with accident, all of Prem's regrets will finally win him over, and he will leave here and run to bauji in the hospital...which sucks, b/c then Heer won't have the chance to give Prem back to the Juneja "zoo" and show everyone that Prem has turned her into a "main bhagwan nahi hoon" Godly person like himself. 😕
who else thinks that while they are all at the hospital, dirtchachi will use her wiles and schemes to try to get heer to leave prem? (then she will get me to hit her on the upside of her head!)
Undoubtedly...but either way, heer WILL leave Prem...if he doesn't leave her first.
who else thinks that maybe laluchacha will wake up, pretending or really appear to have temporary loss of memory? and he will not remember prem having disobeyed him about ashlesha? hahaha! I love it!
no, no, no? okay, good. i didn't like any of them either. 😆
i guess i'll remain content to wait and watch. 😆

highlight of the episode having people to go dreamy-eyed at prem-antics, prem-heer eye contacts while watching the show? 😆 no? hmm. prem going down on his knee to heer. prem and heer looking calm and rosy and happy after the proposal scene. preet looking happy for his brother. preet's happiness makes my heart soar.

For me, it was - in order: Prem going down on one knee, Preet's happiness, Prem and Heer looking "calm and rosy and happy"....

So dear, no mention of the Kangan scene? No Thoughts?

No thoughts on how after the nod from Heer, we didn't see any kind of reaction on the faces of Premeer when we saw them next (ok, other than the calm mom scene)? It bothered me that we didn't even finally see Prem take Heer's hand before he stood up....I would have also loved a Premeer taking aashirwaad from Gayatri mom scene.

Don't get me started on the new old bhudda that is making my Prem have thoughts of running from his Heer....he's turning The Prem into just Prem...and just Prem doesn't seem to remember that The Prem had talked about an unconditional "wafa" 😕

I Miss THE Prem...and I Want Him Back! 🥺😭

("i want to know" is my new favourite phrase. stolen from the little sleeping boy. the same boy who gave me the name estee. have i mentioned i adore my madcap cousins? 😆)
Lately, when it comes to this show, thats my new favorite phrase too...
Aaaw...sleeping boy sounds CUTE! 😳

Awsome as usual dear....
Love,
~P

awwww.. yeah i TOTALLY adored the proposal Prem made! and even when Lallu left, he didn't break eye contact. It was such a happy thingg 😊
Premeer will ALWAYS be together and I have faith that one day they WILL get married 😉 😳

- Deena 😛

Hi estee dis one was fab as always:

I loved the 8th july episode bt the last cene of yday's episode left a huge lump in my throat..i was tryng to be positive bt i cant take t now..esp wid whts goin on the forum, the FC..

1. For 8th july's episode, did you notice that Prem went livid immediateli after Bauji refuses to acknowledge..the insults tht came in later were onli like adding fuel on the fire...

2. When Heer goes down begging him, he extends his hand forward...it was involuntary...notice tht?

3. Ya the bending down and the way he walks towards her was beautiful..bt somehow i felt tht the dilagoues were a drab..dey were rote learned?...and HC was sayn em just for the heck of it...

4. now for the last cene..plz say sth positive abt it.i dont want to hear tht prem was repentin..it doesnt make sense..wht the hell was dat blood for...?? any clue

[Quote=estee]there's nothing like a day at the singapore zoo to make you forget a lot about life. and when you go with a menagerie of your own, it because even more easy to forget there's a show that you see, with a dreamy-eyed demon living on the edges of your consciousness. but today, we were back on the sofa that didn't look like it would take five girls, two dogs, one little sleeping boy, and a guy with perpetual laughter in his eyes. the laughter that burst into guffaws whever the decibel levels that came out from the rest of the couch skyrocketed with the appearance of a certain young mr. juneja on screen.
oh, how i love my mad cousins. with them, i can forget i hate prem! 😆

we saw two days shows one after the other. and it was hard understanding the big and little things in the shows, with all the high emotional levels exploding around me. it felt like i was seeing the show with the forum! 🤣

When I didnt see your BTLT yesterday, I thought I missed it or you are so depressed that you will not continue writing😕. The latter one I crossed out later due to my better judgement of your temper😆. I knew that you will not go into depression.....Anyway, its good to see your BTLT and I am relieved that I didnt miss it.😃
Good for you that you felt like you were watching the show with the forum😊. For my part, I had to see it with my brother🤢. He gives a d*mn about the show😆. But even he thinks Prem's dad is a creepy old man😆😆. My sister has declared me to be insane for watching this serial😆.

[Quote=estee]* prem thing: what was prem trying to tell heer when he saw how much she was trying to run away from him at the party? he knew he had hurt her hugely. he looked taken aback at her stubborness to run away from him, not wanting to talk to him at all! i want to know! 😆

Maybe he was trying to manipulate his rejection speech at that time like he did later onwards. Or, he was simply trying to get Heer to talk with him just for self-satisfaction. I mean he was just seeing if Heer was angry or disappointed and when he saw that Heer was feeling both he thought that any conversation would do as long as Heer talks with him. I loved Heer when she was ignoring Prem. And would have loved to see another marathon in this weird situation.

[Quote=estee]* little thing: wasn't it funny how the people of the house -- heer, prem, meher -- were the only people not "enjoying" the party??? noticed how meher was standing with her hands folded in the middle of the dancing floor?

Yeah, I did noticed that. Also, I noticed how much the guy in the brown shirt was jumping around. He reminded me of a monkey. The dance was so aweful! Almost everybody seemed as if they were practicing karate movements. Their hands were here and there......ishhh. Didnt Veera said that she is inviting Prem's friends? Did Prem import his friend from Canada? Because, after coming to India, all we saw him doing was run after Heer and trying to woo her. The chipmunks that were present in the party could have easily adopted Prem as their son. They were so old!!! No wonder that burape mein party dekh kar sattiya gaye aur aise nachne lag gaye.

[Quote=estee]* big thing: said it before, saying it again. laluchacha is a terribly selfish being for forcing his life on his children. i was embarrased at how much of emotional blackmail he is trying to use to get grown up children to do what he wanted!! i was flabbergasted at how much of a control freak he was showing himself to be -- ordering grown up children to choose? how much of uncivility he was displaying -- in their own house, insulting heer? telling prem to shut up?? he has gone insane.

With his insanity I have no doubt but he does know his son very well. He said Prem to shut up and Prem became silent. So why wouldnt Lallu the loafer continue with his hankypanky. Preet was so good in that scene. He was like "here goes the loafer again" and I liked Ash very much. She went totally blank, as if confused about the fact that if Lallu is thinking that she is her own daughter or not. Lallu, is the most uncivilized old man. Ordering everyone to come with him and giving five minutes warning. What is he? Even his grandchilren wont play such a stupid game. He should have been the father of the brown-shirt-dancing-baboon.

[Quote=estee] * heer thing: heer was brilliant today. even though, she is incredibly hurt and bruised from prem turning her away, she is the only one who has the courage and the desparate love for prem to literally beg laluchacha not to leave. and more importantly, not to take prem's family away from him. and prem noticed. 😊

Yeah, Heer was brilliant today. But I didnt prefer her begging Lallu the loafer like that. It was so humiliating!!!!! Begging.......and that also to Lallu.

[Quote=estee] * prem thing: but we must be thankful for one good result of laluchacha's bullying. in a prem-mute episode, laluchacha's crude behaviour to heer gave us the only word prem uttered. and uttered in such style! oh. it was magnificent watching the transformation of the misery into first the thunder of disbelief dawning on prem's face, and then the blaze of warning anger. i've always wondered how prem would react to laluchacha "hurting" heer. this was superb.

Yes, Harshad's acting was superb. I was amazed at how Prem's eyes, nose and lips went identical shade of pink. He was glowering at his father like 'talk no more, or you will soon find yourself smudged on the floor'. But out of respect for his bauji the only thing he said in a controlled voice was "bauji".

[Quote=estee]* big thing: and of course, it also drew the boundaries of behaviour that gayatri-mom considered intolerable, and made her able to speak up. speak up without hesistation, or fear.

y'know what truly amazed me about gayatri-mom's performance? that she, who has silently and with copious tears, tolerated so much of laluchacha's insanity, does not get cheap, or screechy, or insane like laluchacha. 'cause where laluchacha is always screaming about how he is hurt, his old age plans are shot, he needs respect for what he has done, gayatri-mom is fighting only for her son, not herself. the anger was not selfish or self-righteous. and thus, her anger was noble. only something so pure could've allowed her to almost calmly shut her husband's ranting up, holding up her hand.
(hmm, do you think that prem picked up the hand gesture from gayatri-mom??? 😆)

so, while prem might have admonished preet not to speak against his father, there was nothing that prem could've possibly said to his mother about not going against his father. the prem who has always pushed his mother to be with laluchacha today stood silent. and what a good thing too! for her only desire is: "obey the dictates of your fate, your soul -- start doing what it takes to marry heer". and how can her son disobey?? 😆

Yes, maybe the hand gesture thing is hereditary. Although, Gayatri does justice to it rather than Prem. Prem asks a question but silences the answerer with his hand gesture before even getting the answer.
Anyway, Gayatri rocked a big time. she is such a selfless woman whereas Lallu only thinks about himself. Its always I told you, I dont like it, I think,My life,My children, My misery, My so-called respect.....He was simply gawking at her when she was talking with Prem and when she lectured him.
Prem didnt disobey her mother's order, but then again he cant even forget his father's anger. He should decide what he wants. Its aar ya paar.

[Quote=estee]* little thing: i thought it was brilliant when she refers to prem as having been born from her "womb", weaned on"her milk". he isn't. but neither of them have ever cared. i thought that was a brilliant allusion to the time that prem asked her why she didn't prove that she was his mother. just brilliant. 👏

I think this was another K-Kamp blooper. What was Gayatri saying that she gave Prem the name? If I am not mistaken Gayatri married Lallu when Prem was five years old. Who on earth keeps his son nameless till tha age of five? Oh, my mistake, Lallu the loafer does. Or has Gayatri changed Prem's name later. So, now I would very much like to know what was Prem's former name. Maybe Ullus-Unlucky son!!!!

[Quote=estee]* prem thing: would he have moved to make heer his even if his mother had not appeared with her wonderful catalytic presence and direction for prem? after what his father said to heer, would he have done it anyway???! i want to know. 😕

I think he would have done it anyway. His desperate way of talking to Heer, when she completely ignored him, made me feel that he was practicing his proposal speech at that time in his mind. Although he was unsure that if that was the right thing to do. So Gayarti mom's direction gave Prem the platform to do it now. Which otherwise he may have pushed to do later.

[Quote=estee]* highlight of the episode: gayatri-mom silencing her enraged husband with just one gesture of her hand -- even in his insanity, laluchacha appeared to helplessly obey that command. there was something rather royal about that gesture. but strangely enough, even with gayatri-mom's brilliance, for me the highlight were the expressions on preet's face when gayatri-mom demanded prem make heer his bride, when she acknowledged heer as her daughter-in-law. my heart sang to see how glad preet was for his brother, how proud he was of his mother and her fighting for his brother. it was these that just made the episode for me. dunno why.

Loved Preet's expression. he was openly smirking and smiling when Lallu looked insulted-ly at his wife. He was so good in that scene. he is always good in all his scenes. But another expression which I lived was Heer's. When Gayatri came in and started agreeing to what Lallu said, Heer looked at her disbelievingly. When mommy came in, Heer looked as if she had got a support at last, but as Gayatri started talking Heer's expression changed to disbelief and then helplessness. Then when Gayatri said that Heer is the one for Prem and that she has considered Heer as her daughter-in-law, Heer's expression changed into silent gratification. Aditi did an excellent job in that scene.

[Quote=estee]* prem thing: the sheer beauty of his act of going down on one knee to heer, with his head bowed before her, in front of his proud, pleased mother, and his disbelieving, hostile father, was almost unbearable. seriously, seriously switched on all my wow-that's-beautiful buttons. 😳 maybe heer was similarly stunned by the beauty of it -- her nod yes was almost imperceptible! thank goodness, at least prem and everyone else there with her got it!! 😆

The thing I loved the most was his ability to reverse the rejection speech as a proposal speech. Kya palti maara!!! Heer undoubtely was amazed at her darling's ability to be so charming right after rejecting her. What was Lallu doing there standing? He could have left the place before but having no self-respect at all he stood there fuming over his son and Heer. But watching intently his son's way of proposing.........

(the amount of wind from the collective sighs from the female contingent on the sofa, when prem knelt, was enough to lift the laughing-eyed cousin's hair in a very prem-like fashion.... gee, that would be a cheap way to do the special effects in the show, no? get a bunch of girls for free, to stand around when prem-heer look into each other's eyes. sigh they would go, and up the prem-hair would go. cheaper than buying an electric fan to do the same. 😆) 🤣

[Quote=estee]* prem thing: did anyone else notice how his eyes, lifted to heer's when asking her to marry him (finally! you donkey. if you weren't so pretty, i'd hit you on the upside of your head!), didn't break contact even when laluchacha left in a huff?

Estee, you are so funny. Prem tried not to break the eye contact but Heer did break it eventually. Why doesnt she leave Lallu's anger alone? Why does she think about the oldies false distress?

[Quote=estee]* prem-heer thing: what pleased little faces these two had at the end of the down-on-one-knee proposal! it was so cute! (made me want to hit prem on the upside of his head even harder for not having just done the damned thing earlier!)

I have been trying to hunt down Prem to beat him for so long. He is such an idiot!!!! But its better to be late than never.😆

[Quote=estee]* big thing: oh-oh, dirtchachi is back! and grinding her teeth at news of the prem-heer engagement. she's out to get prem for the disastrous non-wedding to ashlesha for sure. i do wish that preet would be a little more careful in how he invokes the dirtchachi weapon against his father. he really doesn't know how far she can go to get something for herself. 🤢

Me too. I think, Preet should give it a break now. Dirtchachi is not to be fooled around so frequently and for so long. Preet will suffer ones she comes to know that Ash is not pregnant. Why is dirtchachi after Prem.......but I still somehow prefer vamps to be after the hero rather than the heroine......

[Quote=estee]what was new in this scene was that ashlesha's father also didn't sound happy about the engagement. he's such a spud-head -- why does he care? i hate all this vile contingent gathering around to make new troubles for prem and heer. like they weren't good enough at making trouble for themselves! 🤣

Yup......there are increasing loose ends but no one is bothering to tie them up. The most irritating one being Prem's weird love for his bauji.

[Quote=estee]i just realised that all the misery in the show was not as bad as dirtchachi being around.

Those Dirtchachi days were so much better. Though Premeer were apart from each other but still they had all those lovingly intense scenes. Now even though they are living together all they do is cry and cry......
The serial is getting so much dangerous that I doubt we would like it when dirtchachi gains power again. She will surely become more violent. But yes, I prefer dirtchachi acting as barrier rather than Lallu. Oh, how I want those dirchachi, handholding, marathon days back.

[Quote=estee]* prem thing: hmm, so is he miserable because he is beginning to realise more and more how much laluchacha is allergic to heer in prem's life? what was the meaning of his remembering those things? i want to know. 😕

Prem is definitely in misery for not being with his father. He has a very weird relationship with his dad. Prem has his mother on one side and father on the other. When it comes to choosing, he will choose his father. Prem, always takes people for granted. And as he knows that his mother wont stop talking with him if he goes against her he will choose his father.

[Quote=estee]* little thing: so did anyone else think that the old guy's story was just tooooo much of a coincidence? er, did it cross anyone else's mind that he was planted there by dirtchachi's gang?? no?

Obviously..........it was so tacky. How can anyone's story be so similar? But the old man did say that with age he has learned to forgive and forget. But the only words that Prem and his Heer decided to concentrate on was the classless story. And so they will act upon it. But cant they see that with age oldies learn to forget and moreover Lallu has a big house and four other children. Even if everyone leaves him I-dont-have-any-opinion-Harman will stay. Who, by the way is now, I-am-lost-Harman. Where is he?Anyway, but Prem will act as if his father only has him in his life.

[Quote=estee]okay, how about they are so touched by the story, that prem and heer will invite the old guy to live with them and treat them as his children? no?

No, I dont think that will happen. But it is better to do that then go back to Lallu the loafer.

[Quote=estee]* little thing: so who else thinks that heer's going to take prem to the hospital to treat his new wound with a tentanous shot? and that while they are there, the ambulance will bring laluchacha to be treated?

I think, Heer will see Prem's hand and will aid it by herself. While doing it she will indirectly tell Prem about how much he is missing his father ( as if that duffer needs anymore egging) and how much his father needs him. Then they will get a call about Lallu's accident. Oh, and in the background a song will be played, most probably, that crappy 'shayad yehi to pyaar hai'.

[Quote=estee]who else thinks that while they are all at the hospital, dirtchachi will use her wiles and schemes to try to get heer to leave prem? (then she will get me to hit her on the upside of her head!)

That may happen, and while you are at the hitting part, give Heer two more smacking on my behalf.

[Quote=estee]who else thinks that maybe laluchacha will wake up, pretending or really appear to have temporary loss of memory? and he will not remember prem having disobeyed him about ashlesha?
no, no, no? okay, good. i didn't like any of them either. 😆
i guess i'll remain content to wait and watch. 😆

He doesnt need to act to make Prem listen to him. His son is such a froghead that he will marry his bauji anytime leaving Heer.

[Quote=estee]highlight of the episode having people with me to share being dreamy-eyed at prem-antics, prem-heer eye contacts while watching the show! 😆 no, not your kind of highlight? hmm. prem going down on his knee to heer. prem and heer looking calm and rosy and happy after the proposal scene. preet looking happy for his brother. preet's happiness makes my heart soar.

All of them are my type of highlight, Estee. Everything was going so well but then the last scene. Gosh!!! How I hate ekta and the creatives for their melodramatic-cliche type scenes.

[Quote=estee]("i want to know" is my new favourite phrase. stolen from the little sleeping boy. the same boy who gave me the name estee. have i mentioned i adore my madcap cousins? 😆)

He is indeed an intelligent boy. why doesnt he offer to Ekta to write the story?😉

Luv
Melissa

Hi Estee,

Darl I missed you yesterday but you were having the time of your life while i was too busy in my self pity...I hated yesterday's show...hated it...one day is very good and the next just as bad

Loved when prem proposed...did you notice how regally he was on his knees???for a minute i thought is that the way they do it in mahabharat...and words..wow!!!! all good till then...i was so happy i even did an impromtu dance in my living room..

The there was QB and her spinessless hubby, I didnt get their scene, can you shed some light on that???she was spot on about lallu though but loved absoutely loved how preet came and spoke to her..that little nudge on the shoulder when he said dad only listens to you!!!! he knew her tricks...how marvelous

I still dont get that old dude's entry...honestly the story is different to prem's situation but the concept is same and now that mahan heer has heard all she will SACRIFICE!!!!!!!! and I really dont know what prem wants....he cut his hand...why???coz it hit too close to home or cant contain the pain????and i am confused heer was so far away in the bushes how come she heard them????anyway lets see waht today brings...but really this two are bent on sacrificing and being miserable....i only watch this show for prem and heer and you friends here...even lallu's accident i m not that bothered coz we all know he will ask prem back....BTW why would he ask him back???he is not a toy that heer stole or took away...

Anyway hun, I was very sad but now i am bit okay after talkign to you guys, so what do you think about today???worst show in history or some new things in store??

Hey estee the only beautiful thing that happened in the last two days are the prem heer small moments.... the way he holded her and said he wants to talk and then the way going in his knees to propose.

Wow for prem for the beautiful proposal. any girl in the world won't let her man if he proposes so. it was too good. but they left the important part in it. they haven't shown heer keeping her hands in prem's hand. but any way i love prem's small small things. the big thing is i don't like him making him so sad for his dad...

I'm sure we are going to see only sadness here after. No premeer scenes and no love. it will be a faher son story where the Prema nd heer are going to cry a lot.

Originally posted by: sylvie_2181

Hi Estee,

Darl I missed you yesterday but you were having the time of your life while i was too busy in my self pity...I hated yesterday's show...hated it...one day is very good and the next just as bad

Loved when prem proposed...did you notice how regally he was on his knees???for a minute i thought is that the way they do it in mahabharat...and words..wow!!!! all good till then...i was so happy i even did an impromtu dance in my living room..

The there was QB and her spinessless hubby, I didnt get their scene, can you shed some light on that???she was spot on about lallu though but loved absoutely loved how preet came and spoke to her..that little nudge on the shoulder when he said dad only listens to you!!!! he knew her tricks...how marvelous

I still dont get that old dude's entry...honestly the story is different to prem's situation but the concept is same and now that mahan heer has heard all she will SACRIFICE!!!!!!!! and I really dont know what prem wants....he cut his hand...why???coz it hit too close to home or cant contain the pain????and i am confused heer was so far away in the bushes how come she heard them????anyway lets see waht today brings...but really this two are bent on sacrificing and being miserable....i only watch this show for prem and heer and you friends here...even lallu's accident i m not that bothered coz we all know he will ask prem back....BTW why would he ask him back???he is not a toy that heer stole or took away...

Anyway hun, I was very sad but now i am bit okay after talkign to you guys, so what do you think about today???worst show in history or some new things in store??

😆sylvie i am ROFLing after yur post 🤣

preciseli..i cant comprehend how he will ask for prem bak..wid wht "muh"...does dat guy hav any shame ?..its absurd...😕..he just insulted heer..rebuked her of her chastity and now he will ask for prem...wow..he tuhes a new low every time..😕😆...he seriousli needs a mental assylum..

as fr the blood cene..even i am confoosed...wht did the blood connote...i realli wanna noe mann😕

Originally posted by: sidrah fariq

😆sylvie i am ROFLing after yur post 🤣preciseli..i cant comprehend how he will ask for prem bak..wid wht "muh"...does dat guy hav any shame ?..its absurd...😕..he just insulted heer..rebuked her of her chastity and now he will ask for prem...wow..he tuhes a new low every time..😕😆...he seriousli needs a mental assylum..as fr the blood cene..even i am confoosed...wht did the blood connote...i realli wanna noe mann😕

Hiya Siddy,

I am glad darl that I made you laugh...thats one of my speciality...hehehe i make people laugh even when its gloomy....but yeah what was the point of hand cutting at blood???i dont get it???lately i am not getting anything on this show...things happen and things are forgotten...so many bloopers...they should name this show kish desh se lau mein aur bloopers...the editing was soooooooo bad but as you said they ave lost the director but i hope it improves...

I am thinking lallu will get amenisia like estee said or he will pretent that andthen get prem back but lets see what today brings...but what a dragfest eh?

Originally posted by: IndianPari

Wow...thats quite a family...2 dogs? what kind?

the ones "allowed" in the inner sanctum-sanctotum of my aunt's palace are pomeranians. her cocker spaniels (of which there are two) are very spoilt and chew everything in sight. ya, when you have my mom's family in get-together mode, they are "quite a family" indeed!

Originally posted by: IndianPari

Hey! You take that back! 😆

😆 well, what if i say that i love the forum almost as much? can i keep it there? 😆

Originally posted by: IndianPari

I wonder, if Prem is dead for him, then why show up at Prems house and show that he has any sort of "haq" on Prem and his life? What a hypocrit! 😡

he's always been selfish and hypocritical. in this episode, he went beyond belief. how can anyone so nakedly do emotional blackmail of his children? without shame? in public??? preet's plea of "dad, sabke samne... " kept resounding in my head. 😕

Originally posted by: IndianPari

Ok, I will give him his due credit there. There was so much anger in his expressions...I thought for sure He would kill the Ullu...and I"m sure if the Ullu wasn't his father, he would have murdered him w/ his bare hands. He was BRILLIANT too, in the way he stood there, like a man, and looked Ullu in the face. That was THE Prem! 😳

well, i thought that what was incredible was the sense of tightly controlled anger -- that if it had been anyone other than his father, there would have been some major anhilation that would've happened. and yes, his looking his father fully in the eye, without a blink, was awesome. it is the only thing that prem - in his infinite respect for his father - would ever be able to do. and it was good seeing it.

i really think laluchacha is trying to push prem to do something that the rest of society can say is bad, and do major finger-pointing at prem. that's why i think he went on and on with insulting heer like that. it's like he had finally found what he thinks is a dirty spot on his son's spotless soul. it was terrible that he - the father! - should have been doing that. it made me feel unclean. 🤢

Originally posted by: IndianPari

I agree...it was just a small nod, easy to miss.

you should've been on my sofa: "estee, did she say yes?? did she say yes?", "of course, she said yes, didn't she?? how could she resist him?", "waaaaahhhh, you mean she didn't say yes?? i'm going to be so sad. oh. are you sure she said yes? really? you are sure? shouldn't we rewind just to make sure?", "bwahahahahah. you are the silliest bunch of girls i've ever sat on a sofa with! guffaw! i would never have gone down on my knee and in an expensive suit... ouch!! stop that!", "estee, she did say yes, no? we'll trust you. she did, no?" man, i wish i could take the entire sofa and it's occupants back home with me to watch the show with everyday... 🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by: IndianPari

Hated prem's repenting today...

repenting??? repenting what?? what is he repenting? wasn't he just being miserable? repenting what???? (gee, now i feel like my cousins. deep breath.) i didn't think he was repenting anything -- just trying to sort out the anger he had felt against his father on heer's behalf, and how to deal with his father's show of absolute rigidity.

what did you think he was repenting?

Originally posted by: IndianPari

Hated the old guy angle...it was unnecessary...as if Prem wasn't repenting enough before the old guy shows up...🤢

you mean, no-one thinks that he is an actor put there by dirtchachi to make prem feel horrible?? i know, i know, it's difficult to imagine. but dirtchachi has done such feats before, i thought maybe she has done this too... 😆 (and still don't get the repenting bit.)

Originally posted by: IndianPari

Undoubtedly...but either way, heer WILL leave Prem...if he doesn't leave her first.

oh you mean because she thinks that prem will be happier with laluchacha and not her? i don't think that's going to happen. do you really? there has to be fraud and deceit for prem to leave heer or heer to leave prem just now, i think.

not that there isn't scope for fraud and deceit. but i think that .. no, they won't. they won't leave each other.

Originally posted by: IndianPari

So dear, no mention of the Kangan scene? No Thoughts?

No thoughts on how after the nod from Heer, we didn't see any kind of reaction on the faces of Premeer when we saw them next (ok, other than the calm mom scene)? It bothered me that we didn't even finally see Prem take Heer's hand before he stood up....I would have also loved a Premeer taking aashirwaad from Gayatri mom scene.

no, there was too much sniffling and sighing and having my hair lifted with the prem-on-one-knee-to-heer happening for me to even notice such things. but i did notice there was some bad editing and one frame did have prem holding heer's hand in front of his mom....

Originally posted by: IndianPari

Don't get me started on the new old bhudda that is making my Prem have thoughts of running from his Heer....he's turning The Prem into just Prem...and just Prem doesn't seem to remember that The Prem had talked about an unconditional "wafa" 😕

I Miss THE Prem...and I Want Him Back! 🥺😭

no way, he's not perfect prem. he's still is.

i think there's only one thing that i'd offer hc advice: he should stop peaking his eyebrows when he wants to show distress. he looks gorgeous with those straight brows and a glint of tears in his eyes. he should stop - right now! - going into the normal-hero mode of peaking eyebrows to show emotional distress. he can do a better job, and i demand it of him! 😆

Originally posted by: IndianPari

Aaaw...sleeping boy sounds CUTE! 😳

😊 i could write tomes on him. but this is prem and heer's forum. i'll write the tomes and keep in my heart.