23 jun 09: big things, little things

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Posted: 16 years ago
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aaaa..eeee.
oh me.
oh my.

so. who else things that there was really nothing else to this episode than one major big supersized prem-heer thing? i mean, why really bother with the rest -- it was all just fluff. so this is going to be one really short bt,lt -- you lucky guys! šŸ˜† *besides, i've just been fed a massive dinner -- of six courses, two of which were desserts! split over around four hours -- made by the mom-gang. sigh.. sometimes, it's not so bad having mom-in-triplicate... 😃*

* prem-heer thing: y'know what i've always loved 'bout these characters? that they've always been black-and-white. hmmm. you think maybe i should just say grey? i disagree. 'cause for me, grey is one single shade -- made by mixing up black and white so completely that there is no black or white. but with prem-and-heer, it's always been about black-and-white in my head, for some reason. never a uniform shade. and i ... i kinda love that.

the first time i noticed this was when they were squabbling about what love is during the prem-to-marry-ash, heer-to-marry-muckmeet times. both of them were right (white). and both of them were wrong (black).

prem was all about loving heer with the truest love 'cause he wanted the best in life for her. except he would not go the last mile and be the one doing it! heer was all about love being who stays with you through thick and thin, and knowing who the person is. but she said this all this without having a clue about the one she claimed to love. and i thought both were right and both were wrong. and i loved them for it.

this time too, as i watched them reason and pull at each other's heart, it struck me that prem and heer are once again black and white, once again both are wrong and right.

prem is right -- nothing can bring his sister back; and it is inescapably true that nihaal had a role to play in vitchface's death. prem is wrong -- nihaal is not the only reason that vitchface is dead, and so ought not to be ''punished'' as if he is, which is what the whole jail-punishment is all about; and if he had trusted nihaal 'cause of heer, that was his error of judgement and he ought not to be blaming heer for that!

heer is right -- it is not about her brother, his sister. it is about what is wrong and what is right; and nihaal ought not to be jailed for vitchface's death withot understanding the whole facts of the situation. heer is wrong -- nihaal is not totally without blame. if nothing else, he is certainly to be blamed for misleading everyone that he was responsible for his wife's death; and while i agree that going to jail is a horrible punishment that will be a problem for nihaal forever. and so she must fight to prove his innocence. i wonder though whether the way she leapt into the fray, her timing, her protestations should've been done more smartly. something which has almost always been heer's downfall -- that she is completely insensitive to the timing of her protests... šŸ¤”

* prem thing: btw, in all the prem-heer interactions today, i must admit the most puzzling thing prem said: ''i trusted your brother to make things all right for my sister. i trusted him 'cause i trusted you.'' and i realised that prem is putting a lot of the responsibility of his trust in nihaal on his trust in heer.

y'know? i knew that this death of vitchface's was going to be a tough thing for prem and heer to fight. 'specially for prem. poor prem. he is fighting his own sense of guilt that vitchface is dead. he fights himself and he fights heer. and i wondered why -- why fight heer? the only explanation i could come up with is: fighting heer may be one way of punishing himself. his sister vitchface is dead. his sister has no more chance of happiness. and he does. is this prem's way of cutting himself off from happiness? his mother is miserable 'cause vitchface is dead. and his mother hates heer. he has to see that! is this prem's way of not hurting his mother anymore? hmmm. and prem-heer-are-one, he knows that. so whatever he does to himself, will happen to heer.

is he distancing himself away from heer, in the hope that she will not have to suffer as much of his unhappiness? is this prem choosing what kind of unhappiness heer hsa to go through?? argh! prem! you bloomin'... you are ''mein bhagwan nehi hoon'', prem! you can't choose such things! you can't! you can't push heer away from you! you couldn't keep actual physical distance between you for too long even while faking your death, darnit! what are you thinking now??

btw, the most stoooopid thing prem said today. ''you think i'm wrong, go ahead, think it. i don't care. 'cause your thinking cannot bring my dead sister back to life.''

'kay, what is with the juneja's for thinking that anything can change that??! seriously, is no one else terrified that one day vitchface will come back??! argh!

but seriously, prem: yes, heer's thinking you are wrong cannot change that. but nothing can. given you are where you are -- isn't the next thing to try to make things better??

*sigh* i guess that brings me to the truest thing that prem said today: ''i have lost grievously!'' that was a beautifully delivered cry from the heart. ''i have lost! i have lost my little sister!''

as i said yesterday -- it looked like no-one was really grieving over the death of vitchface except for gaali-ma and ... prem. poor prem. he sooo needs more cuddles. and he feels compelled to push away the one person who can do it best to soothe his poor wounded heart...

* little thing: aaarrrrrggggh, editing-bloooper! when heer is desperately trying to explain the nihaal-vitchface situation to prem before he heads off to the airport, there is serious prem-heer stand-in action there, no??

even if i hadn't figured it out from the weird stillness of hc-as-prem's expression, i'd have figured it out from heer's hairstyle! 😲 the heer head that prem is standing and ... glaring at has it's hair left all loose. while ag-as-heer had her hair neatly caught up in a pony tail. *sigh* i dislike it when the editing slips so that even i can catch this stuff!

* hc/ag-voice thing: oooh, for once, hc slipped up on his perfect delivery. i was totally awe-struck at that beautiful modulation of prem's voice as he talked about what he had lost? his little sister vitchface. but his hands? ha! that was fun..neeeeee!!! i bet vitchface was not that ... small even when she was born! šŸ˜†

but what i frowned at was the way he switched from shattered to stern. there was one word he threw out -- vishwas? that sounded like he was doing a speech. that was an unusually ill-done delivery. it was soooo black and white. from being totally mush -one moment - melting with thick tears. and in the very next second, his voice had gone to steel. um.. with heer? his heer? that transition was too hard, imho. i'd have thought hc would play it just a leeetle differently. if he'd struggled going from misery to that hard accusation: ''i believed you. i trusted that everything would be fine when your brother wanted to take my sister home. because of you.''

in contrast, ag's delivery of ''today, it's not a question of yours or mine; today it's a question of right and wrong. you didn't do the right thing by my brother.'' -- there was a little lisp in her voice as if heer was sooo shattered at what prem was saying that she was losing control over her diction, her voice! that was ... superb! completely mind-blowing. and she did it once more at another emotionally heart-wrenching moment -- which was sooo brilliantly done

and it struck me: even when prem had ... ''apparently died'', heer was either totally disbelieving -- ''if it's in prem's control when he makes promises, then why is he not in control when he is to keep them?'' -- or totally shattered -- that horrible horrible scene where she gets to see the cctv recording of prem's stooooopid instructions to the junejas and to her! this is the first time, we are being allowed to see heer's reaction to her conviction that prem-heer-are-one being shaken. that conviction that kept her going strong all through the prem-disasters so far -- his ''apparent death'', his ''i'm-hip-hop, not prem'' stunt, his ''apparent hole-in-the-prem'' actions. that conviction is being shaken just now, and ag-as-heer's voice was totally superb in how we got to see that.

*sigh* i soooo love the prem-heer drama in this show that i really don't give too much of a damn 'bout anything else. but i must admit -- i'd be a leetle unfair if i didn't note some important ... little things. šŸ˜†

* little thing: 'kay, i am seriously puzzled at why -- even when the cops came to arrest him -- lj did not intercede on nihaal's behalf. either to the cops. or to prem when he appears so inflexible about getting nihaal arrested. is lj feeling sooo hopeless about nihaal's case? or does he feel, in his heart of hearts, that nihaal deserves to be punished 'cause vitchface is dead?

* little thing: 'kay, ashlesha is beginning to creep me out big time! i always found it weird when she went around called heer di.

but now, she is also overhearing conversations -- so like dirtchachi used to do. and pull off commiserating faces and sympathetic words of advice (to heer?? about prem??!!!) -- like dirtchachi used to. and...

i don't like ashlesha. even when preet and she were going around. didn't. i just don't. i suspect i never will.

* little thing: it is amazing how truly hopeless things look for nihaal, no? the junejas are against him. his neighbours are against him. he, himself, is against him. i mean, why else would've he have walked up to the house of the mother that starts screeching with hatred the moment she catches sight of him!

the only person who speaks out is heer. even meher just looks shattered, but doesn't appear to be brave enough to speak out for him.

* little thing: btw, was anyone else amazed that when nihaal appeared at the jzoo for vitchface's bones (what a duffer he was to have done that, donchya think??) the juneja brothers didn't pile on to hit him and kick him out of the house?

in fact, harman actually pulled gaali-maa** off nihaal?? no? no-one else found that odd?

* little thing: prem-heer standing back to back.. prem denying heer's voice entry into his heart, almost forcibly, by raising his hand to shut her off! remember the last time he had done that??

they were at the chawl, and there was a party celebrating his winning the businessman-of-the-year award. and prem overheard the nasty man talking to meher, demanding that heer return his loan to him! and when meher tries to give prem an explanation to bail out heer, prem raised his hand to shut her off. and now, he does it to heer...

* little thing: 'kay, gaali-maa is seriously scary right now. but y'know what's odd? i can understand this avatar of gayatri-mom. i could never understand gementor! i never could understand how gayatri-mom one day just became this twisted creature who differentiated between step-children and own-children. and who thought heer had stolen her family under her own nose.

but this vicious, cold, biting, blood-thirsty creature, who lights lamps vowing they will never die while her daughter's soul is unhappy? i'm afraid that i can understand where she is coming from. far better than what created gementor.

i don't like it. i don't really see why this was the only way for her to go. 'cause a gayatri-mom who lost her daughter wouldn't have become this version of gaali-maa. who is sooo anti-heer. that anti-heer-ism came from the gementor part of her life. but at least, she has a reason for existence.

what a pity she exists in the same space-time-framework as prem-heer... who are going to have to so much more misery 'cause she does.

*sigh* it'd be nice to think that this is the worst ever episode in the life of prem-and-heer-are-one. but i am guessing it isn't. that vow means that gaali-maa will do everything it takes to get heer out of her life. and that's okay with me. what i'm really curious to see is if prem will be in gaali-maa's life or not. now that i'm willing to w&w for...

and i don't like ashlesha. *brr*

highlight of the episode: prem's heart-wrenching cry: ''i have lost something! i have lost my baby sister!'' heer's unbelieveably painful ''when has it become yours and mine, prem? i thought we were one family?''. or heer telling prem ''i can't bear it if you take a wrong step. please prem, don't do anything wrong!'' as if more than anything else, what heer cares about is the purity of prem's actions, prem's soul. which .. *sigh* .. is probably just about right for heer! man, prem-heer-are-soooo-one... it's just not a very... pretty sight anymore, no? but then, i guess that is what being one through the good times, and the bad times is all about??

*sigh* i think i've just finished all the happiness energy that i got from eating two-two desserts tonight just in writing up this bt,lt. hmm. i think i need to go down and raid the fridge for leftovers now... yup! 2:30am -- is a good time to raid kitchens! šŸ˜†

see you, phorum pals! have ... uh ... hmm! having phun might be a difficult thing today? well, have great prem-heer-memories! 'cause this time last year, weren't our two-some getting really cosy down in that wonderful chawl in ludhiana? 😃 keep smiling till the next bt,lt? see you!

**: gaali-maa. that's gayatri-maa turned gementor turned kaaali-maa!

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Posted: 16 years ago
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hey estee...a very nice btlt as usual.....

prem is at no fault here..........any hubby would react in the same manner as prem.........who will tolerate a wife who just keeps things from him......nobody.......upar se...she waslying to him left right and centre.........
wat does she expect from him.......to support her bro...wen the picture which he has been shown is that his bro used to torture his sis......
fine...heer hid the sameer thing from him coz gmom asked him to....but wat abt nihaal's so called plan......nobody had told her to hide it from prem...then y did she........she was the first one to break the foundation of a marriage...i.e trust...she has broken prem's trust...and its good that prem is doing wat he should've dne long time back!
heer is at total fault here......well wat lioes ahead for us...is something which we'll come to know in the next 3 epis....
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Posted: 16 years ago
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i just have one question ,( as far promo indicates ) will prem question heer's chastity ???? if he does then how can premeer be one after that ???? how can he even imagine that heer can have affair with rajveer ????if creatives do that then they r sick
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I agree..It was funny when Prem mentioned that Veera was so little...Lolz...

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Posted: 16 years ago
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hey estee! u always seem to bowl me over wid ur posts! hw do undastand both of dem so pherphectly???😊😊 it really is an amazing thing!😃 n i loved ur post of last year on 19th june abt da rain scene! made a scene more meaningful😳😳 wen i again watched it after reading ur post!šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘ as for ur dis post i agree wid u..... really loved da way heer said mera aur tumhara kabse hogaya prem.... mujhe tou lagta ta ke hum sab aik parivaar ka hissa hai.... n da way prem said meri choti behen wapas nai aae gi.... the helplessness n pain on thier faces was commendable although i didnt like da way he was a lil stern wid her😭..... lets see wat will happen next hope its sumfin positive.... fingers crossed!
love
hiba
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Sure this is short, šŸ˜†. But thank god it's a nice normal, long-length bt,lt. I need some things to stay constant, because the things on the show sure aren't!
So, first of all, *fierce hug* I love how you said that both were right, and both were wrong. Because, it's true... they both are right and wrong. I'm sick of people bashing Prem, because this whole situation has been created by the creatives to show Heer as the typical BT superwoman, and Prem in the wrong, as a typical BT male. So, since I'm sick of BT manipulating characters like this, I've just decided that I won't blame either. That's it.
I also found it weird that noone else seems to be grieving as much for veera, and i found it so odd that the brothers that kicked a nihaal out just because they thought he had tried to harm veera, didn't do anything to him now. Of course, then one of the brothers wasn't playing the lead in another showšŸ˜† Nihaal is a Maan, so is genetically coded to be mahaan, and rather stupid, especially about the people he loves.
Btw, do you have an explanation as to why Lallu (yup, he's still Lallu, not Lalit Juneja) is not opening his mouth about the Veera-abortion thing? Because that's one thing that I can't seem to find a logical reason for. Other than the sadistic creatives of course. I can't watch this gaali-maa. She freaks me out too much. The actress, Shama Deshpande, is fantastic, and I find that Veera's death is a logical explanation to how gementor turned into gaali-maa, but I'm still not fully satisfied with the gayatri mom to gementor transformation. I also don't like Ash, and that is why I wanted to get her married to Rajveer as soon as she sets foot on this show. But, then again, I was actually happy that we were relieved of ig-idiot for a couple of days. Now, it seems that he's going to be in tonight's episode. Which I'm not sure I'll even read the update for, because it is bound to have some stomach churning scenes.
I'm officially living off of hc-ag sbs and sbb segments, instead of the watching the show. šŸ˜† So, as a thank you for the bt,lt, I'll tell you about another hc-ag tidbit. šŸ˜† there was a time when they were interviewing hc and ag during the pre-phingoli episodes. hc tells the reporter that he's dancing with his mom, and ag seems to get miffed, and retorts that she is also not going to dance with him, but will dance with her siblings. the reporter commented that heer was mad, and hc replied that it doesn't take anything to get her mad, 'by default, paida hui thi, naraaz'
What, don't look at me like that! šŸ˜† I need something to keep me going through these days of not watching the rubbish the creatives are shoving down their throats. So, I'm swinging between comedy flicks, action flicks, and sbs and sbb segments. Unfortunately, I can't take romance any more. Everything seems to pale in comparison to Premeer in that genre. But, I must say, I'm much happier, this way! šŸ˜† Oh yes, happy soap-suds day to you too!
Edited by -Bee- - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I am amazed estee with your analysis.so very true...Prem and heer were really Black and White.Whom to blame and whom not to blame.Arghhhh, these creatives had made us doldrums ...They just playing around with the situation where we can neither react totally in positive way or totally in negative way...leaving us only one option W& W
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Posted: 16 years ago
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estee so now Prem will keep heer unhappy because veera died and he blammes himself for her death and since he is detaching himself from happiness he would make heer suffer too just cause his mom is hurt??? Ummm i am sorry but this is not the Prem i fell in love with ... yes i agree he wouldn't want to hurt his mom at the moment because of what she just went through ... even if Prem has to live without heer to appease gyatri mom, why can't he do that by taking heer into confidence??? Why does he have to punish heer ?
And please no comparison with GS track ... because at that time 1) Prem thought he is dieing and he didn't want his family or heer to see him die again 2) He never wanted to come back, it was heer who decided to fight RR and he had to come for the rescue 3) he never wanted to marry heer , she is the one who took the drastic step of marrying RR next day and prem was left with no choice but to come back ....................at that time it was totally different
And now when he will question her relation with rajveer even if just to make heer hate him ... that won't be Prem for me either ....... and Premeer would no longer remain one the day that happens and it will pretty soon ... he is going to leave heer all alone to go and pay for the mistakes she never made? to pay for his mother's suffering? yo pay for his sister's death?
I dunno but the oneness that has to be seen with a magnifying glass is oneness??? A story that is about Premeer are one ... shouldn't the oneness be obvious for everyone to see? For someone as intelligent as you who can analyse and for someone as dumb as me who just takes things the way they appear???
Oh and i am so glad i never called lalu lalit ever since he became lalu ... because for me lalu is a lalu, was a lalu , will be a lalu
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Hi estee

I should be getting ready for work but i made the mistake of reading your bt,lt and cant resist commenting,
i really liked the prem heer confrontation at the end, you are so right about each of them being right and wrong and i think thats the reason i like them and am not disappointed with what might come up because being in love with each other does not mean they will do the right thing in regards to each other or not have disagreement on the little or big things in life

the only person to save nihaal right now would have been the dr who could have testified that veera had an abortion and was not beaten to a miscarriage by nihaal but no one seems to care about that, heer didnt mention it to prem even once in her defence of her brother, it was all my brother my sister
i think gaya3 is being played by a gr8 actress but i hate her character now, no one can go from being a nice person to such a mean person, destroying her owns sons happiness to punish heer, nihaal is already being punished and that is not enough for her

btw i have started noticing heers clothes to figure out if she is going to be replaced by a BD, if her clothes are pinned up at the back then she will be replaced by a wider version of herself, i cannot tell with prem BD yet

gotta run, have fun

fatima
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Estee,this is a brilliant analysis that u have done..will reply to it in detail shortly.
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Originally posted by: estee


the first time i noticed this was when they were squabbling about what love is during the prem-to-marry-ash, heer-to-marry-muckmeet times. both of them were right (white). and both of them were wrong (black).
This is brilliant analogy on your partšŸ‘šŸ‘...Yes they were black and white then and they are black and white now..The only difference is then it did not cost them that much..whereas this time,coz the leap will happen, it will cost them 5 yrs of their lives together..5 yrs of being one..Sigh!It is a sad thing but the truth nevertheless...
And I totally agree that both are at fault.
Prem coz he believes that nihal actually killed her..The situation is tricky coz veera blamed nihal for physical beatings and abuse and she dies the most horrific death by getting burnt..This scenario is enough to put all suspicion on nihal that he could have done the deed...But Prem is at fault here by believing nihal could kill veera..It was still understandable when he thought nihal could slap her but to think that he could actually kill her and then handover him to the police, is too drastic a step to take..Sigh!Also,he says his trust on nihal is based on his trust on heer..but he is loosing that trust now,isn't he??cant blame him fully but still..Deep sigh!

And heer is at fault coz she is still hiding stuff from prem..Why is she not showing prem the abortion papers?..Maybe she wants to save him from the pain that will be caused by all this.coz he surely will be shattered to know what an evil creature his lil sis was...But in doing this, heer is forgetting that her innocent bro is getting the punishment..He is going to jail for a crime he did not commit and if she tells prem everything,including abt the abortion, he will listen to her...But she has her reasons for not telling him.Sigh again!
But one person who is totally and completely at fault is lallu...why he did not speak up?
Moron!
Not only is nihaal getting the punishment, but also prem-heer are gettiing separated...


* prem thing: btw, in all the prem-heer interactions today, i must admit the most puzzling thing prem said: ''i trusted your brother to make things all right for my sister. i trusted him 'cause i trusted you.'' and i realised that prem is putting a lot of the responsibility of his trust in nihaal on his trust in heer.

I was surprised too at this..coz prem ve got to know nihaal better than heer does..coz nihaal used to work for him before, right? why is his trust on nihaal only based on his trust on heer?


*sigh* i guess that brings me to the truest thing that prem said today: ''i have lost grievously!'' that was a beautifully delivered cry from the heart. ''i have lost! i have lost my little sister!''
Beautifully done by HC..Could feel the pain of a brother loosing his little sister and holding himself responsible for not been able to save her.

in contrast, ag's delivery of ''today, it's not a question of yours or mine; today it's a question of right and wrong. you didn't do the right thing by my brother.'' -- there was a little lisp in her voice as if heer was sooo shattered at what prem was saying that she was losing control over her diction, her voice! that was ... superb! completely mind-blowing. and she did it once more at another emotionally heart-wrenching moment -- which was sooo brilliantly done
I second that!AG was brilliant...her voice mod was perfect for the situation..Again, u could just feel her pain through her voice.

*sigh* i soooo love the prem-heer drama in this show that i really don't give too much of a damn 'bout anything else.
U are not the only one dear..We all are in the same boat..šŸ˜†šŸ˜†

* little thing: 'kay, ashlesha is beginning to creep me out big time! i always found it weird when she went around called heer di.
but now, she is also overhearing conversations -- so like dirtchachi used to do. and pull off commiserating faces and sympathetic words of advice (to heer?? about prem??!!!) -- like dirtchachi used to.
I really dont know estee what exactly she was trying to do here..console heer?frighten her that prem didnt listen to her and took G3's side?or just plain getting back in heer's good books..


* little thing: it is amazing how truly hopeless things look for nihaal, no? the junejas are against him. his neighbours are against him. he, himself, is against him. i mean, why else would've he have walked up to the house of the mother that starts screeching with hatred the moment she catches sight of him!
the only person who speaks out is heer. even meher just looks shattered, but doesn't appear to be brave enough to speak out for him.

I know he is really unlucky when it comes to his share of love in the world but he is an idiot..Why would he take the blame of veera's death?He thinks she died coz of him ..she was trying to make him speak abt his feelings..and she died in the process and so it is his fault..HOW?How is this his fault?Plus why doesn't he think abt heer and meher?wont this have any repercussions on their married life?We know it so how doesn't he...Or is that now veera is the only one he truly loves and nothing else exits for him?

And if that is the case then doesnt he realize that by taking all the blame on himself ,he is making veera unhappy?I mean u know..if u really love someone, u can feel his pain even when u r not around..and veera started loving him just before she died, and now when he will go to jail coz of her stupid mistake, wouldn't veera feel bad?I mean as in spirits(what G3 was screaming abt yesterday.."Veera ki aatama ki shaanti ke liye")
Oh What dd I just write...!This show has messed up my mind!Did I make sense?


*sigh* it'd be nice to think that this is the worst ever episode in the life of prem-and-heer-are-one. but i am guessing it isn't. that vow means that gaali-maa will do everything it takes to get heer out of her life. and that's okay with me. what i'm really curious to see is if prem will be in gaali-maa's life or not. now that i'm willing to w&w for...
I am also W&w to see how prem-heer-are-one is going to survive this storm...I just hope that when they separate for the show is taking a leap now,it is due to this veera-nihaal misunderstanding track and Not due to heer-rajveer relation.. that would be just too disastrous..
well, have great prem-heer-memories! 'cause this time last year, weren't our two-some getting really cosy down in that wonderful chawl in ludhiana? 😃 keep smiling till the next bt,lt? see you!
šŸ˜šŸ˜šŸ˜..Those were some days....happy anniversary of one-of-its-kind romance's another grt scene.


Love,sumi
Edited by coolgal270 - 16 years ago

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