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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: estee

(part 2 of the bt,lt)

* big thing: lakshman preet. *the brats have been summoned to dinner and i have the quiet to do this* i have a confession to make - after all the turmoil and stress and sweetness of that prem-heer confrontation, the show returned with kooky maggot acting her vermin self, my heartrate went up again. this time in disgusted rage! 😡 and just when i was about to boil over, preet's "ek second" made me stop. and when he turned with his "i-know-something-you-don't" look, and smiled his little preet smile, and started beating the drum and walking towards the door, i knew that everything was going to be okay. that - in this show - good does get to win, and evil ultimately gets egg all over it's face. and tears came to my eyes. *shamefaced look. have i mentioned i hate this show for getting to me?*

so even though they kept showing maggot ratpal's face (not his mother's, thank goodness!) or laluchacha's weird expressions, preet's triumphant playing of the drum for his pb's arrival, and the smile that lights up his face as he looks at them lifted my spirits out of the blue funk it was in, right up into bright sunshine. and the cherry on top of that seriously gorgeous sweetie was his retort to kooky maggot: "what was happening? romance, dance, music -- you want more details?" 🤣 preet's acting here was brilliant

seriously. someone - start a preet appreciation thread! he deserved one a loooong time ago! first let us wait and see what role he will play - not crazy abt any romantic angles between him and heer 🥱

* little thing: wasn't this the same background music that was playing when prem shouted at the world that "prem-heer are one"? boy, did it work today... they won against dj chachi on that day - will they this time 😕

* prem-heer-hand thing: maybe it was 'cause it happened at the end of this triumphant-smiling-preet moment, but i have never smiled so goopily as when prem reached down and took her hand before walking into the hall. and the way that heer looked up at prem, loving him in front of everyone to see...
*sigh. doesn't it sound like i was just a lot of goop during this part of the show? sigh. i hate prem-heer.*what can i say - these two are just magic - they are in sync with each other - wonder how many times they do these takes for this to happen and how much do they discuss each tiny detail in the scene before the takes. it seems so effortless and natural. i want to know 😛

* little thing: oooh..er.. meher's got feelings for "harman-ji"?? (the juneja rat-brother who first happily danced with meher, and then unceremoniously dropped her for maya! 😡) or was it just that she really likes dancing and felt sad that she had to stop?? somehow, i think it was the latter! don't you? 😆 i am sure even the creatives do not know - they had to rush the harman story so fast as the actor was missing in action for so long.

but it made a nice - no terrific! preet moment. i loved that keen look on his face -- wonder what he's planning to do?? love preet. and btw? preet-meher look good together. always have. *firmly* as much as i do not like ash - i prefer him with her - meher is too serious for him

* prem thing: what to say 'bout prem's recital of his vow of everlasting love for heer? i loved the start of "today, i, prem juneja" but more i loved that the first thing that he took permission from to take heer as his wife was ... "these winds"! after all, these are the winds that have always danced around his head, puffing up his hair, acting as a signal that "his" heer was in front of him. and in the end, "mein prem juneja, aaj, apney naam kay saath, apnay astitva, apnay shareer, aur apnay atma kay saath, heer maan ko apnay dharam say, karam say, dil say, aur apnay har jasbaath say, apni patni maanta hoon." this was touching but to ahve the winds as witness - wait - i forget - the environment mania - is the in thing. nevertheless it was touching - the way it was said 😳

it was firm, it was bold, it was all male, it was ... prem claiming ownership of heer, in front of all the world to see? no, for me, it was more like showing her, in front of everyone, that he s going to match her gift of love with his gift of .. himself and all that he stood for. nobody can guess what these two say with their eyes. we were lucky enough to be prviy to their conversation this time 😆
*thu... (oh wait a bit, though. can a pool of goop go *thud*?? hmmmm... 🤣)

and the best thing of all? this was a .... prem-heer eye conversation! only this time, we get to hear what those eyes are saying! unlike all the other times, where prem and heer can understand it 'cause ... well, they are one. but we always had to guess. and see?! what pretty-pretty conversations those eyes make?? 😆 exactly!!!

* last but not least thing: y'know? everytime - and i mean this literally! - every single time that prem's hand has reached down to take heer's hand, prem's eyes drop to look at her hand. and it used to make for a brilliant prem-expression because his head didn't move -- it was only those pretty eyelashes draping over his eyes before her hand is captured in his. remember the pic that you once posted 😛

today, though... today! prem's eyes never leave heer's eyes! it's like his eyes are looking through to her soul, and her soul is looking right back. in fact, today, it is heer who is startled into looking down -- it's like this is the first time that she hasn't had an early warning of the capture that is going to happen. and for me - an admirer of that wonderful alchemy in prem-heer's-hand chemistry - the sight of both her hands being held between them by both his hands was one of the prettiest sights of this episode. *deeeep sigh!*

said this before, saying it again: how are they going to top this? as long as these two are in a scene - they themselves create the atmosphere, the scene, the action to surpass what they have done before. BUT you need BOTH of them....

highlight of the episode: preet. hands down. preet, preet, preet! 'cause preet is the sunshine, preet makes me smile through anything, preet remains pure as lakshman, brother of his pb's ram.

'cause no matter how beautiful his public staking of heer as his, or his declaration that he is all hers, it took the magnificent act of heer's love of sharing all his burdens, his responsibilities, future, present and past! to wipe out the fact that prem hit heer today. he did. he did. and i hate prem for thinking that i could actually forgive him for it. he is forgiven only because of heer - because of her actions - how she handled him - such strength - such dignity - additi is perfect in this role - she made the slap look like nothing -


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Posted: 17 years ago
#42

it's strange but it's soo true. it's like prem's the one who has been taking care of this large family. and the rest of his family (with the occasional exception of gayatri-mom and preet) have no clue how to really get prem to open up to them. really strange...

yeah…it is strange. In Preet's defense, I don't think he really doesn't understand his PB, but what I like about him is his unstinting support for his brother. We have seen him, time and again, standing by his bro…good or bad decision. It just makes me all gooey just thinking about it…….!

With Heer…boy…it is amazing to see him lose his cool…well…minus the slap, let me add.


i thought it was more like she already decided what he wanted to tell her. after all, she did press him for an answer in the kitchen. and saw how he was clearly uncomfortable and "ran" away from her. perhaps you are right: perhaps - it being her sangeet function - she didn't want to deal with whatever was weighing on prem's mind. but i think it was more like her promise to him that for her, his past really didn't matter. i guess what she didn't expect that whatever was in his past would never make him turn away from her in front of his family and hers. and i think that's when she started worrying that it was something that was much larger than ... "just a girl he was in love with in the past".

Oh, I agree that she had decided what he would tell her. Come to think of it, did she really press him for an answer in the kitchen? She asked him once and then went on to say that she knows he is hiding something from her and to take care of himself…because she knew he was uncomfortable.

When Prem tells her his story, Heer said something like, "na jaane mein kya kya soch rahi thi" and that got Prem going on with the trust bit. If she was not afraid, why did she stop him from telling her everything…knowing how bothered he had been about the whole situation…even caught him lying to her? I agree, to her the past really did not matter at that point, but on some level, I believe that she was unsure how she would react if he came out and told her, what she thought, the truth. And Prem…still believe he should have insisted on telling Heer everything right after the concert, rather than let it fester in him. What I liked was that despite their deep understanding of each other, on some level, they are still dealing with normal issues, which in turn strengthens their bond…weird but true….

hmmm. i agree with the reason why he can hurt heer -- she is himself. i think that's why he didn't say he was sorry for having hit her. he kept apologising for not telling her, but never for not hurting her...
Why? We know why he can hurt Heer…but why not apologize for hurting her? It still bothers me some. And Heer was just amazing. Like you said, forget the slap and the near-death…focus on what is bothering Prem!

but the thing that didn't ring true 'bout your first sentence: he is shouting at heer when he shouts: "do you want to know where sanjana is? i killed her!" it's not sanjana he's shouting at. he might have been running from her. but he's shouting at heer. he's hurting heer.

Ok…I agree that he knew he was talking to Heer…but I thought that the slap could have signified his frustration with Sanjana…because that is still the only thing that comes to my mind when I think why he did not apologize to Heer. In his rage, did he forget he hit her?

er... hc who? you mean the guy with prem's jawline? and the guy with prem's eyes? the guy who really owns prem heart, body, and soul? that hc?
yeah…him!! LOL!! Gosh…if he leaves, they might as well kill Prem. I would rather live with Prem's memory than take a weak-as-dishwater substitute!! Did I just write that??…Forum influence…all these morose predictions are getting to me.

Estee…do me a favor and don't lose your cool…continue with the posts…keeps me sane!!

yeah. it was quite a package alright. the dynamite duo. wmd-ness galore.

9/25-prem-heer. yes. i think i already inaugurated the name somewhere

Oh yes…I got that 09/25-Prem-Heer off of you! They were unbelievable!! Hmmm…wonder what's in store for us on Monday…

Did I mention that I am still keeping my membership to the I hate Prem-Heer club?

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Posted: 17 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: fj08

all these things were gestures by prem, i d like to see heer make some similar gestures... and we are in the prem heer single head, so thats where she needs to do it, share it with us only :)



😆 i so love that thought.

ya, i wouldn't mind. and the nice thing about such gestures in the "prem-heer-are-one" head is that we can be as non-PG-13 as we want?? no? *sigh*

Originally posted by: fj08


i was browsing pictures on the forum, in the pic gallery there s a picture of premeer when they were in delhi for the the show, heer is wearing the pink and engagement suit and a necklace........... the same necklace that prem gives heer on 9/25, they just like reusing the same things again and again



😆 you do have a lot of time on your hands today! (and you can bounce that back to me if you look at the "petition to keep hc on as prem..." post by triv at:

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1044170&TPN=13

these things just tend to wash over my head, like dance sequences in these shows, i'm afraid. i just remember noticing that it was not one of those traditional mangalsutras....
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Posted: 17 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: Nupur9

It's a dreamland sometimes....DroolLand another....and Sighland sometimes......
It varies with the mood....flows with the flow!!!
But PREMLAND is the official name!!!!



😆 where

there was a king and
there was a queen and
a priestess called nupur?

no? 😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: heerkimehr

helped me put Prem's actions into perspective, even though I can't forgive him either....



i'm glad you liked reading it. it's weird but one of the things that i'm taking solace from (no, i really can't forgive him) is that when he was out of control, his head was so different from when he is in control that he doesn't really remember having hit heer! he is that much out of control - and i say this, 'cause prem doesn't apologise to heer. since he was apologising for so many other things, this struck me as being really bizaare. ergo, he doesn't remember.

somehow, that is what makes me feel better the most. strange, no?

Originally posted by: heerkimeher

taking Prem's upcoming demise in your stride... your courage might just get me through it as well..



😕 i have learnt a rule which i use while watching these soaps: i can never predict the story line. since i so badly ... uh ... suck (there's really no better word! 😆) at guessing what's going to happen, i just sit back and let them tell me the story. and then i think about it, rip it to shreds. somehow that helps... difficult to do.

and all newspaper reports are teeny bits of facts and vast bits of fiction. written by pathetic story tellers, whose skills are so bad the script-writing industry refused to hire them, and the only jobs they could get was in the news industry. seriously. 😡 so i refuse to believe those. ever. the creeps.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: maya123

will you even feel the floor??? in your 'I hate prem' state



😆 i always feel the floor. and today i even had a little cousin who insists on sleeping with his feet tucked under my stomach. i love the little fellow to death - but i'm gonna be blue by the time he leaves on monday!

Originally posted by: maya123


they always miss out to show us the things that we wonder about - remember 'how did the dupatta get to heer from prem when they moved out of the junejas into the chawl - and then how did prem's coat land up in heer's arms during their moonlight walk



tell me about it! doesn't it just bug you?! 😆

Originally posted by: maya123

reminded me of the proposal/confession scene when she kept on asking him 'lagti ho kaun ha' several times - she knows when to push him so he will tell her or when he feels he has to tell her - she seems to get the signal that now she should push for a response - they are so in sync with each other - ok am losing it now


exactly what i was thinking about!

Originally posted by: maya123

you once asked if prem could ever get violent - now you know



yeah, and worst part is, this is not the violence that i'd had in mind... 😔

Originally posted by: maya123


he was out of control and that was scary - everyhting is done with passion - the hate the love - can be scary though if there is no control


scariest is that he was so out of control, that afterwards, it's as if he doesn't even remember what he did! truly scary. on one hand, i'm happy 'cause i hope there's nothing sanjana to make him lose control like that again! on the other hand, i'm terrified that there could be!

Originally posted by: maya123

do not need that belief to get that type of love 😆😆


that is such a relief to know! seriously! 😆

Originally posted by: maya123


his reaction to heer transcends his upbringing - he gets it from his soul 😍



maya! seriously. maybe now that i've started losing my words, you should do the bt,lt.. that was so pretty. 😍

Originally posted by: maya123

i could not get the 'sadiyon se' story - i mean how old is prem for him to have carried it for sadiyon se - i forget he is 'old' in every respect isn't he 😆😆😆



😆

Originally posted by: maya123

he does tend to dominate heer in that way - in men that trait is so attractive - wonder why



is not! 😆 seriously!
one of the few times that i've really wanted to hit prem on the upside of his head...! 😆

Originally posted by: maya123


- funny nah - to think that they created this character that we love so much - one would think that they would be fighting to keep him alive rather than us



😕 i'd like to say "idiots" but they have been surprisingly good with these two. i really wonder what's coming to hit us next in the story... hmmm.

Originally posted by: maya123

first let us wait and see what role he will play - not crazy abt any romantic angles between him and heer



😲 they'd be bananas to have a romantic angle between preet and heer!! after all the ram-sita-lakshman references strewn all over the place??! ugh, no way! seriously! 🤢

Originally posted by: maya123


what can i say - these two are just magic - they are in sync with each other - wonder how many times they do these takes for this to happen and how much do they discuss each tiny detail in the scene before the takes. it seems so effortless and natural. i want to know



😍 tell me about it! sometimes what i really want is to get my hands on the reels and reels of tape that i imagine is lying on some balaji studio floor for a given episode...

Originally posted by: maya123


as long as these two are in a scene - they themselves create the atmosphere, the scene, the action to surpass what they have done before. BUT you need BOTH of them....



sigh, i so agree. they rock together. if i had my way, that's how they'd stay. but i don't get to get my way.... oh well, waiting and watching to see what they're going to do next. what, oh what, can it be???


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Posted: 17 years ago
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As much as i lov premeer scenes like 9/11, i really dont understand where the track would lead after this... say they show them married, now either they have to keep showing problems between them to keep viewers ineterested or they show someone elses track as the main one and keep us happy by showing prem and heer being lovey dovey in between, i think we will tire of that, not the lovey dovey but the rest of the episodes.....so i have accepted that prem is going to leave now they need to make us happy by showing some execellent events before that actually happens.....
I know a lot of people are starting keep prem on, or kill heer too threads which i think are both unnecessary, i understand ppl are very emotional... but they will settle down and start enjoying the other tracks and harshad new show before long
However we have to keep iterating what we need from the remaining prem time so someone up there ( at BT) will listen to us, start some threads on that
estee looking forward to ur WTF this weekend, now that i am home i might not have as much time on my hands but i would love to read ur new thoughts
have a good weekend
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: sshekar

yeah'it is strange. In Preet's defense, I don't think he really doesn't understand his PB, but what I like about him is his unstinting support for his brother.

😆 that is such a brilliant preet characterisation -- "uh, okay, bro, if that's what you want. beats me why you want it. but if that's what you want, that's what you're gonna get!" love preet... 😆

Originally posted by: sshekar

Oh, I agree that she had decided what he would tell her. Come to think of it, did she really press him for an answer in the kitchen? She asked him once and then went on to say that she knows he is hiding something from her and to take care of himself'because she knew he was uncomfortable.



no, she did give him a chance to speak in the kitchen. he was actually going to tell her. but when she says, in that grave heer way, "bolo, prem", he remembers his beloved mother's advice in his head and chickens out. *sigh*

Originally posted by: sshekar


If she was not afraid, why did she stop him from telling her everything'knowing how bothered he had been about the whole situation'even caught him lying to her?


i got the impression that it was because of the moment -- it was their sangeet function and she didn't want that to be touched by prem's confession of his lover for another woman. i think that if it had been whenever else, she wouldn't have stopped him.


Originally posted by: sshekar


What I liked was that despite their deep understanding of each other, on some level, they are still dealing with normal issues, which in turn strengthens their bond'weird but true'.


yeah. even "mein-bhagwan-nehi-hoon" folk get to do this. as for their bond being strengthened? i dunno. i mean, how much stronger can it get, damnit??!


Originally posted by: sshekar


Why? We know why he can hurt Heer'but why not apologize for hurting her?


'cause he doesn't remember he has done it??! the white-out in his head while out-of-control has really been complete.


hmmm! now prem should know what i felt like the day that i learnt how to hate him...!

😆

Originally posted by: sshekar


Ok'I agree that he knew he was talking to Heer'but I thought that the slap could have signified his frustration with Sanjana'because that is still the only thing that comes to my mind when I think why he did not apologize to Heer. In his rage, did he forget he hit her?


there was rage, hot-white rage, that is true. whether it started from sanjana and his pent-up guilt or from heer, not sure i can say. but yeah, that's my thinking - he forgot. it wasn't even him - it was out-of-control prem, another guy altogether. so much out of control, it is (as we've been discussing in maya's reply) rather scary.


Originally posted by: sshekar


Oh yes'I got that 09/25-Prem-Heer off of you! They were unbelievable!! Hmmm'wonder what's in store for us on Monday'

Did I mention that I am still keeping my membership to the I hate Prem-Heer club?



*puzzled* sure. why would you not keep it?? 😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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no, she did give him a chance to speak in the kitchen. he was actually going to tell her. but when she says, in that grave heer way, "bolo, prem", he remembers his beloved mother's advice in his head and chickens out. *sigh*

i got the impression that it was because of the moment -- it was their sangeet function and she didn't want that to be touched by prem's confession of his lover for another woman. i think that if it had been whenever else, she wouldn't have stopped him.

*sigh* i have to concede...he did chicken out big time in the kitchen (try saying that really fast 😃) and yes...if not for the sangeet she would not have stopped him.

yeah. even "mein-bhagwan-nehi-hoon" folk get to do this. as for their bond being strengthened? i dunno. i mean, how much stronger can it get, damnit??!

🤣 i am sure that just when we think they have shown us the depth in prem-heer relationship, we'll see another facet that will completely catch us off guard...
these two are really setting very high standards, aren't they?

there was rage, hot-white rage, that is true. whether it started from sanjana and his pent-up guilt or from heer, not sure i can say. but yeah, that's my thinking - he forgot. it wasn't even him - it was out-of-control prem, another guy altogether. so much out of control, it is (as we've been discussing in maya's reply) rather scary.

yeah...i got that when I was writing that part. a little slow on the uptake, but got there! it was scary...he scared heer...you could see the way she kept swallowing...and trying to talk to him. takes courage...but then she was fighting (right word??) for her prem. I liked how it took HEER in Sanjana's saree to finally rid prem of his guiltr. It was there, the peace emanating from him as he held her...when she tells him that his burden is her burden. Did you see the pride shining out of his eyes as he silently took his vows? "jo bhi ho mera, jitna bhi ho mera, jaisa bhi ho mera, woh sab tumhara hoga aur isliye woh hamara hoga"...gosh...you are right..they are 16th century souls locked in 21st century.

Err...i was considering joining the i love prem-heer club...i know...i know, moment of madness..got carried away by the thu epi...*bangs head against the wall*...I am ok now.😉

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