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Posted: 17 years ago
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I am not saying that the woman should be the first person to work on this marriage... nope a man can do it too.... but there must be a opening.... cause at this moment he is knocking his head against a wall.....
ayesha is to consumed with michi to look futher...

but agreed he needs to make up his mind... this way or the highway...and yep I have been wondering myself why he is still in SM.....and the first step in moving on will be move out off SM... with or without patni dearest....
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: shali



but agreed he needs to make up his mind... this way or the highway...and yep I have been wondering myself why he is still in SM.....and the first step in moving on will be move out off SM... with or without patni dearest....



Okay I know everybody knows this but Shanta, if he leaves SM then he will leave Kayamath, too😆 Even being in SM hasn't helped Neev with being more functional in storyline😆

Ahem, topic: Hmmm I don't know... Sometimes all characters are childish and sometimes they are childlike and sometimes they acted very mature.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Magno



Okay I know everybody knows this but Shanta, if he leaves SM then he will leave Kayamath, too😆 Even being in SM hasn't helped Neev with being more functional in storyline😆

😆 True...so true...but a someone said...hes there to switch of the lights ....in his bedroom ..so his wi...can sleep..better..at night...😆 Thus he does sere a function...😆

Ahem, topic: Hmmm I don't know... Sometimes all characters are childish and sometimes they are childlike and sometimes they acted very mature.

On topic: He needs to grow up...make a decision once in his life for himself..instead of others taking them for him...this...trait of his..makes him immature...childish....impractical....

He lets others dictate the terms of his life.....instead of him having any say in it....and thus..like any child is ready to put blame on the decision maker...for his own....mistakes....

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Thanks Krishna for agreeing with me. There are so many fans for Neev here I was walking into landmines calling Neev childish! But I do feel he needs to grow up. How else can we get him to spice up the show?
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Oh boy: i can't believe what i am about to write. But i must because i feel there is a bit of injustice being done to both Neev and Ayesha

Agreed about Michi part completely. And about a lot of your argument for other people's post were mostly agreeable. But my take on NeevAyesha is slightly different. They may act immature now by throwing tantrums and brooding but that is due to the situation they are in. They are not immature characters tho. I'll explain.

When Kayamath began and Ayesha was introduced, it was Ayesha who displayed more maturity than the naive Prachi. The reason being that she had lived a hard life and had had to learn life lessons early on in life unlike the protected Prachi. Wasn't Ayesha the one to make Prachi see Tanisha's game plan when Tanisha came in between Neev and Prachi.Wasn't it Ayesha and Neev who tried to expose Nihaarika. So you can't say that they have always thought about themselves and not acted as responsible individuals. You said Neev Ayesha can't take other's responsibility cause they can't take care of themselves...well well well aren't we forgetting that Ayesha lived 20 yrs of her life taking care of a mentally ill mother. She mothered her mother when she herself needed parenting. Ayesha lost her childhood because of her mother's illness and all her life she kept herself away from the advances of men because she was afraid of being hurt (example of her mother). She even kept Milind at bay most of the time and left her self feeling lonely and miserable cause she was afraid of a greater heartbreak. Do you know what it is like to not be able to trust any other human being in the whole world. Its a lonely and scared feeling and Ayesha lived with that all her life. Now my point here is that her actions that look childish to us have a root cause.
I'll bring some of my personal experience to show you what i mean. When a child is born into this world, the first thing they experience is fear. Fear of a new and cold world, away from the warmth and protective, nourishing womb of their mother. In those first few hours they desperately seek something familar that will make them feel safe. And that sense of safety comes from being in their mother's arms cause they can smell their mother and know it is her who fed them and carried them for 9mo and they know that in her arms they are safer cause she has taken care of them for so long and she is familiar to them. Now imagine a child who doesn't get to be in it mother's arms after birth. That child will become hysterical. That child has a very hard time coping with birth and they cry constantly and they want to be held all the time. They feel safe only when they are held and attended to cause they are scared out of their wits.
Apply that to Ayesha. She is a lost and lonely child who can't trust anyone in this world. Her only safe anchor which was Milsi is now no where in sight. So yes she wants attention and she wants to be held and cuddled and she wants to feel safe again. Hence to get that attention she does crazy things. She cries she throws tantrums. Its a basic nature that is present in all of us since birth. Ayesha never got the security in her life that is essential for all human beings. Yet she had a ray of hope in the form of Milind and she grew up and learned to live life boldly with that ray of hope staring at her. She did let that go on her but i doubt that when she made that decision she probably never thought that Milsi was gonna come back any time soon or that her marriage to Neev was permanent. Let that be whatever. But as of now Ayesha is utterly alone and scared and she is seeking the familiar by constantly reminding Milind of the good-old days of their past. Milsi and Prachi were never really that alone. They may not have been as supported but they always had some anchor. Milsi's bond with his sister was still there even tho they both had their own problems. Prachi always had her mother to vent to.

Coming to Neev. He too is just as alone as Ayesha. He never got the love of his mother. His equation with father is not understood but i doubt that really was something special cause a money-minded murderer like Pranay can't possibly share something sweet with his kids. And even tho Saket and Neev seem to be close, Saket was apparently missing for along time because he doesn't seem to know all that transpired in Shah mansion all these months. And his sister is a carbon copy of his mother. So he was always at Shah mansion cause he got the love he needed from that place. However, with the breakup of Neev and Prachi he lost that bond with her family too. Just like PL said in the epi...even she forgot Neev and his plight because she was more concerned about her daughter. He now had no family, betrayed by love, and a wife who constantly attacked his pride. So ya he is brooding. Ya he needs to move on and grow up fast...but i think part of the reason is that Jay is unavailable temporarily for such an expansion in his role. When he is done with JDJ i am sure we can expect things to spice up. But he too has not been childish all his life. Yes maybe a little less mature than Prachi and Mils, but he too is capable of making decisions and executing them. Wasn't he the one to tell Prachi that they need to forget each other and she needs to get married to Varun. But then knowing Varun's truth he was the one who got Alaap to stall the wedding and then went to get Swati and brought her in time to stop a disaster. He is capable of it but he currently is in a vulnerable emotional position and its gonna take him some time to get out of it. And like someone said, there needs to be a motivator for people to move on and take their destiny by its horns. That motivator can be intrinsic or extrinsic but there needs to be something. Neev has none of it right now and maybe now with the coaching he is getting from PL again...maybe he'll see things differently. Same with Ayesha she can't see the light at the end of the tunnel cause she has her eyes closed in fear. When she takes the risk of opening her eyes to feel in the darkness around her she too will see that there is hope beyond Milsi...given that Neev pulls himself together by that time.

(thank God i am done. I can't believe i was defending Neev and Ayesha) But you know it was Ayesha's character that attracted me more than Prachi in the beginning of the show. It was only afterwards that i fell in love with Prachi.😃 Thanks for reading.

JC
Edited by jinc118 - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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That was beautiful JC. You are right. Maybe I was too harsh in judging Neev and Ayesha. That is because I started watching well after what you had mentioned in your post (only from the near rape scene). So my judgement of Neev and Ayesha was based on what I saw subsequently (when they perhaps at their worst). But whatever be their baggage, right now they are behaving quite childishly and immature. Since Ayesha is bordering on insanity, I guess she will not pick herself up. But Neev can and should do something about his plight (without or without Ayesha). He needs to grow up and grow up fast. If not for anybody atleast for us viewers. Lets see how the creatives flesh out his character.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: optimist

👏this is all for u Babe,and sorry I dnt see this post on time also want 2 tell u that there r more of MP's fans here as well as of Neev but I do agree with u on everything that u have said about him he need grow up and move on with his life,also I think he need 2 be a man and take care of that wife of his,so babe don't worry cause some people may not like what u said about Neev even I like him soo much😳 😳but I do agree with u he really need to move on and be a man of his own life because nobody can do that for him but himself.MP for life or should I say till the end😳😆😉

Watching the episodes of the last three months what struck me was the most important similarity between M and P is that both are childlike . N and A are on the other hand childish. Now both may sound the same but they are not.

Let me explain my point.

Both M and P have this innocent quality about them. They both have a huge heart with a great capacity to love. They both are willing to accept mistakes and move on. They dont dwell in the past once things are sorted out. Both take pleasure in small things. They want the people they love to be happy. To understand this one only needs to recollect their moment with the baby. Their interaction with the baby was amazing. Looked like they had become one in its company.

Despite their childlike quality they are both very mature. Here Prachs had to do a lot of growing up in a short period of time because she led a protected life till her father died. Milsi did not have much difficulty since he was used to shouldering responsibility earlier on in life. But now both are on equal plane as far as their maturity is concerned. They willingly shoulder the responsibility of each other's family. They dont let their childlike quality come in the way of it. Hence they are a deadly mix of innocence and maturity.

N and A on the other hand are just the opposite of M and P. Both are childish. Like children they are stubborn and want what they like/love. If they dont get it, they either throw up a tantrum (like Ayesha) or brood (like Neev). They see everything only from their point of view. They do not go beyond themselves. They are near sighted in their decisions and do not think throught the consequences of their actions and its impact on others. Because they are childish they are also immature. More often than not they cannot handle rejection. They are incapable of bearing someone else burden because they have not learnt to bear their own.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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i totally agree wid u from the day N and P was 2gether i kknew they were acting 2 childish especially neev.they werent really serious about their love

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