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Posted: 18 years ago
#61
LOL,

I think we should start a book club here, looks like a whole bunch of us are into reading... 😆 This is what brings me to this forum - a wide variety of writers and readers congregated in one place.

I read Tolstoy's AK, in fact - the first time I read I was only 14, I had to re-read a decade later to understand the characters, then I re-read it a few years back and what I deciphered was more to my adult tastes than the previous times. Some books are like that, they grow on you.

I read 'The English Patient' and I loved it, I also read the Waller's 'The Bridges...' and I didn't mind the story, an intellectually bored and romantically starved woman falling with the worldly and well travelled photographer.

As for morality or societal rules there are two sides to the equation.

It was Thoreau who said,
"Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right." Armana, in your FF, the love they feel between each other is so right, the Indian societal rules are forgotten in an instant. How could some thing so right be wrong?

The flip side of the coin is what Noel Coward said
"Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace." If either of them were tied to other people, I would feel a tinge of guilt, but again lot of it really depends on the circumstance and the time period of where the story takes place.

Sorry to jump in to the conversation, but couldn't resist...
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Hey you guys are such serious book readers. I dont even know what to talk about?

I mean I do read books but I havent read any of these 😭 apart from Bridges
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sheena_Row

LOL,

I think we should start a book club here, looks like a whole bunch of us are into reading... 😆 This is what brings me to this forum - a wide variety of writers and readers congregated in one place.

I read Tolstoy's AK, in fact - the first time I read I was only 14, I had to re-read a decade later to understand the characters, then I re-read it a few years back and what I deciphered was more to my adult tastes than the previous times. Some books are like that, they grow on you.

I read 'The English Patient' and I loved it, I also read the Waller's 'The Bridges...' and I didn't mind the story, an intellectually bored and romantically starved woman falling with the worldly and well travelled photographer.

As for morality or societal rules there are two sides to the equation.

It was Thoreau who said,
"Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right." Armana, in your FF, the love they feel between each other is so right, the Indian societal rules are forgotten in an instant. How could some thing so right be wrong?

The flip side of the coin is what Noel Coward said
"Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace." If either of them were tied to other people, I would feel a tinge of guilt, but again lot of it really depends on the circumstance and the time period of where the story takes place.

Sorry to jump in to the conversation, but couldn't resist...

Aww...so true, some books you may read when you are very very young, then you rereead them again and you understand them better, yes books do gro on you and rereading them sometimes brings something forwards that we may not have understod then but may understand now.

You know with so many of being such good book lovers, we really should have a book club on the forum to discuss books that we have read, or should read.

Love

Krishna

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: sangitadas

Hey you guys are such serious book readers. I dont even know what to talk about?

I mean I do read books but I havent read any of these 😭 apart from Bridges

Sangi I have read all this books Armana mentioned... and they're in indeed very good.... and these three were my favourite till date... I think you should read them, I liked them... alot... but since I grown up I changed my habit ... 😆...

"The Reluctant Widow".... by Georgette Heyer

"The English Patient"... by Michael Ondaatje

"Posession".. by A.S Byatt

Or else you can read the 6 Austen's if you havent read yet all of them ...I mean the compelet Vol... !😃

I hope... that helped... need more books well ... Armana will the best person to ask... since she's the expert of the most well known books...

Jojo

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sheena_Row

LOL,

I think we should start a book club here, looks like a whole bunch of us are into reading... 😆 This is what brings me to this forum - a wide variety of writers and readers congregated in one place.

I read Tolstoy's AK, in fact - the first time I read I was only 14, I had to re-read a decade later to understand the characters, then I re-read it a few years back and what I deciphered was more to my adult tastes than the previous times. Some books are like that, they grow on you.

absolutely true. except the fact that even in adulthood i just can't connect with the Russian novelists.😕 and i've tried!

I read 'The English Patient' and I loved it, I also read the Waller's 'The Bridges...' and I didn't mind the story, an intellectually bored and romantically starved woman falling with the worldly and well travelled photographer.
yep, while the The English Patient is awesome even upon re-reads, the Bridges, somehow is good only when you are a teenager.

As for morality or societal rules there are two sides to the equation.

It was Thoreau who said,
"Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right." Armana, in your FF, the love they feel between each other is so right, the Indian societal rules are forgotten in an instant. How could some thing so right be wrong?
precisely, society is for the individuals. and if J&B want to be together they ought to be in a way that they want to be. regardless of whether they perfer or not to socially legitimise their relationship.

The flip side of the coin is what Noel Coward said
"Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace." If either of them were tied to other people, I would feel a tinge of guilt, but again lot of it really depends on the circumstance and the time period of where the story takes place.
about the guilt, isn't that precisely the pont explored by Michael Oondatjee and A.S.Byatt? about how meanigless a concept it can become? and yet, how powerful a force.....somewhere all the joys have to be paid for. To Mr. Coward: yes, somewhere the line has to be drawn. The real question, however, is who gets to be the one to draw the line?

Sorry to jump in to the conversation, but couldn't resist...
glad you did jump in. the more the merrier!

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Sangs,
the discussion is not restricted to books alone! feel free to jump in with poetry, where i know you have a very,very wide reading range! 😊

Kubare,
The idea of a book club sounds interesting. till then we could just continue here!

Jojo,
thanks for the complment but i know for a fact there are a lot of very serious readers on the forum. so there is actually a very wide pool of suggestions available!
Hey, now that i've run out of G Heyer's to locate and read, even i am lookig for a new author!

love
Armana
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Dear Readers,

Since work has been driving me nuts and i'm tired and cranky, i am seriously out of inspiration.
And now i need your help.

I was wondering if any of you would care to post, on this thread your personal favourite love poem?
I got teh idea from reading your posts on the books!


The one that fits J&B best and inspires me I'll use to write the next or one of the TFS parts.

So, how about it?
Would you be willing to help me out here?
I look forward to hearing from you.

Love,
Armana

P.S. i am very serious about the lack of inspiration 😭 😭 😭

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Hi Armana!!

YOU, running out of inspiration?!! Then what will happen to the likes of me?!! 😕 😆

Well, since you asked I am going to bombard you with my favourites... let me know what you think...

When i think of love poems, there are a few of my favourites that spring to mind...

The first I heard when I was a child and have always loved sonce then:

Annabel Lee by Edgar Allan Poe

It was many and many a year ago,
In a kingdom by the sea,
That a maiden there lived whom you may know
By the name of Annabel Lee;
And this maiden she lived with no other thought
Than to love and be loved by me.

I was a child and she was a child,
In this kingdom by the sea;
But we loved with a love that was more than love-
I and my Annabel Lee;
With a love that the winged seraphs of heaven
Coveted her and me.

And this was the reason that, long ago,
In this kingdom by the sea,
A wind blew out of a cloud, chilling
My beautiful Annabel Lee;
So that her highborn kinsman came
And bore her away from me,
To shut her up in a sepulchre
In this kingdom by the sea.

The angels, not half so happy in heaven,
Went envying her and me-
Yes!- that was the reason (as all men know,
In this kingdom by the sea)
That the wind came out of the cloud by night,
Chilling and killing my Annabel Lee.

But our love it was stronger by far than the love
Of those who were older than we-
Of many far wiser than we-
And neither the angels in heaven above,
Nor the demons down under the sea,
Can ever dissever my soul from the soul
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee.

For the moon never beams without bringing me dreams
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And the stars never rise but I feel the bright eyes
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side
Of my darling- my darling- my life and my bride,
In the sepulchre there by the sea,
In her tomb by the sounding sea.


Who Ever Loved that Loved Not at First Sight? by Christopher Marlowe (i think this suits J-B well...)

It lies not in our power to love or hate,
For will in us is overruled by fate.
When two are stripped, long ere the course begin,
We wish that one should love, the other win;
And one especially do we affect
Of two gold ingots, like in each respect:
The reason no man knows, let it suffice,
What we behold is censured by our eyes.
Where both deliberate, the love is slight:
Who ever loved, that loved not at first sight?


Funeral Blues by WH Auden (this still has the ability to make me 😭 i was about 12 when I first heard this, and never really forgot it...

Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,
Silence the pianos and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.

Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead,
Put crpe bows round the white necks of the public
doves,
Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.

He was my North, my South, my East and West,
My working week and my Sunday rest,
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last for ever: I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now: put out every one;
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood.
For nothing now can ever come to any good.


and of course, the universal classic:
How Do I Love Thee? by Elizabeth Barrett Browning

How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of Being and ideal Grace.

I love thee to the level of everyday's
Most quiet need, by sun and candlelight.
I love thee freely, as men strive for Right;
I love thee purely, as they turn from Praise.

I love thee with the passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints, I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life! and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee better after death.




Ok I'll stop now!!!! 😕 😆

Cordy xxxxxxxx


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Posted: 18 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: Cordelia

and of course, the universal classic:
How Do I Love Thee? by Elizabeth Barrett Browning

How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of Being and ideal Grace.

I love thee to the level of everyday's
Most quiet need, by sun and candlelight.
I love thee freely, as men strive for Right;
I love thee purely, as they turn from Praise.

I love thee with the passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints, I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life! and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee better after death.

Awww.....thats one of my all time favourite too. Loved all the others too dear.

Armana, we are all her to help inspire you dear. We cant have one of our verywonderful and excellent writer, uninspired.😃

Will post my fav love, romantic poems later dear.😃

Love

Krishna

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Posted: 18 years ago
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I have to say that I'm a silent reader of your FF and I just want to say that it is a great FF. I love the story line - because love is not always about marriage. My personal favourite poem - if it can be considered ne if from the Bible. I first heard this in the film A Walk To Remember, and I thought that it described love beautifully.

- The Bible : 1 Corinthians 13:4 -

Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast,
it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil
but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts,
always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.

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