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Posted: 18 years ago
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have just read a topic about freedom of speech, which i would like to add some personal oppinions or view points professionally. Forums are about expressing your oppions and debating on issues in this case kasamh se, when discussing or expressing your oppinions you have to word them carefully. Human Rights act does state to express your oppinion to a reasonalble level not to provoke the other party.

From my personal experiance as a criminologist the term 'freedom of speech' can be taken to literaly at times ie criticism on personal oppinions, politically, on the entertainment industry or generally can be taken to far.
What the viewers, readers and public have to bare in mind that not one human being on this planet can keep every individual happy in life!!!

Lets go back to Ram kapoor, Ekta, Roshini and Prachi, they are actors they have the ability to entertain the public and show there fans and the public of there acting abilities. For me a true actor is an actor who can bring the character to life, bring out the emotions no matter what the script is whether ram, roshini and prachi, brad pitt, sha rukh khan agree to the scrip or not acting is acting.

Certain scenes that have occured recently in kasamh se have irrated certain fans, why i dont know? (I am generalising here), situation like these happen on a daily basis around the world, so when a director gets critised for expressing certain situation is beyond my understanding?! Acting is there livelihood like criminolgy is mine, if one my collegues disagrees with me regarding a criminial, article, music, acting etc it doesnt give me the right to express my opinions on the level where others will get hurt.

The whole point of this is basically to appreciate each other view points, at same time express them at a reasonable level. By arguing or offending other will not change the situation or make it better for you but MOST IMPORTANTLY AGREE TO DISAGREE.

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Sparkel
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Posted: 18 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: sparkel786



Acting is there livelihood like criminolgy is mine, if one my collegues disagrees with me regarding a criminial, article, music, acting etc it doesnt give me the right to express my opinions on the level where others will get hurt.

Hi Sparkel,

I understnad perfectly well what you are trying to say and agree with it too.. the key word here being..... " on the level where others will get hurt.."

As i have said before.. at the risk of repeating myself... in this forum there is a habit to treat everone with kid gloves particularly the actors...........I didn't bash Ram I just said that I don't absolve him of the blame completely....& that he can't get away scot free....

and you won't believe how many preachings i got....

anyways.... thanks fore reading my post and sharing my viewpoint...

tata,
rocky25

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Posted: 18 years ago
#53

.I didn't bash Ram I just said that I don't absolve him of the blame completely....& that he can't get away scot free....

tata,
rocky25





What do you exactly blam ram for? Ram Kapoor is an actor thats his job you can not mix personal oppinions with professional surrondings. Please clarify rocky25..

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sparkel
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Posted: 18 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: sparkel786




What do you exactly blam ram for? Ram Kapoor is an actor thats his job you can not mix personal oppinions with professional surrondings. Please clarify rocky25..

regards

sparkel

Hi Sparkel,

Would love to clarify....

You see I do consider that it is Ekta's serail.. but Ram is not without blame because of the following reasons...( based on the current situation in KS....)

1. Ram is a senior actor and is the lifeline of the show as Jai ......... he should not have done something so immoral as sleeping with your sali....

2. We love Ram....as Jai Walia.. right !.. ....

We shower him with all sorts of praises when he does something good.... right!... And i dont mean when he acts well.. he always acts well.. I mean when his charcater Jai Walia does something commendable in the serial Ks..we shower him with our love.... at that time nobody says that RAM today your JAI something so good.. but we know you were just doing your job .....

Also at that timre NO ONE and I do mean No one goes and showers all this love on Ekta.... poor lady only comes to our mind when something bad happens because we belive Ram is a an actual ram and therefore absolved of all the guilt....

As a result I feel if Ram gets credit for all good deeds of Jai then he is fully entitled to receive duscredit for all bad deeds of Jai...

3. Ram should have taken the the feelings of the audience into consideration....and should have refrained from having *** with his sali nad then cooly hoping into her sisters bed...

4. All actors keep the audiences in their mind when they do their roles....so why not Ram...

5. Also in movies also the actors gets uestioned and blamed for all that their character does.... as an actor you are responsible for the antics of your charcter and all actors i am sure understnad this...

tata,
rocky25

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Posted: 18 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: rocky25

Hi Sparkel,

Would love to clarify....

You see I do consider that it is Ekta's serail.. but Ram is not without blame because of the following reasons...( based on the current situation in KS....)

1. Ram is a senior actor and is the lifeline of the show as Jai ......... he should not have done something so immoral as sleeping with your sali....Ram did not do that...Jai did it!😉

2. We love Ram....as Jai Walia.. right !.. ....

We shower him with all sorts of praises when he does something good.... right!... And i dont mean when he acts well.. he always acts well.. I mean when his charcater Jai Walia does something commendable in the serial Ks..we shower him with our love.... at that time nobody says that RAM today your JAI something so good.. but we know you were just doing your job .....When Jai Walia does something good, we praise him. And we praise Ram not because Jai did something good. We praise him b/c he ACTED well!

Also at that timre NO ONE and I do mean No one goes and showers all this love on Ekta.... poor lady only comes to our mind when something bad happens because we belive Ram is a an actual ram and therefore absolved of all the guilt....That's because Ekta is the one coming up w/ the story!...and personally i think it's just because we have to blame SOMEONE so poor ekta ends up being the victim!

As a result I feel if Ram gets credit for all good deeds of Jai then he is fully entitled to receive duscredit for all bad deeds of Jai...Again...Ram does not get credit for all the good deeds of Jai...we're praising his acting!!! NOT what jai walia did!

3. Ram should have taken the the feelings of the audience into consideration....and should have refrained from having *** with his sali nad then cooly hoping into her sisters bed...Again you're mixing up Ram and Jai....JAI had sex w/ his sali NOT ram!

4. All actors keep the audiences in their mind when they do their roles....so why not Ram...I agree that they have to keep their audience in mind...but Ram is an actor....and these days...actors seem to be very replaceable...so if Ram does go against Ekta...is it safe for him as an actor?

5. Also in movies also the actors gets uestioned and blamed for all that their character does.... as an actor you are responsible for the antics of your charcter and all actors i am sure understnad this...Who questions the actors for their characters?!Yes we bash the characters left right and center when we don't like what they do....but why blame the actors?!

tata,
rocky25

I'm sorry hun, if that comes off kind of rude...i don't mean to be!!!😛

it's just that i feel you're inserting Ram's name in all of the blanks that Jai's name should fill. Ram is NOT Jai!

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Posted: 18 years ago
#56

Do you all think that some of the discretion becoming an issue here is rooted in the fact that some of the stars visit this forum? Do we feel obliged to censor our postings and be cognisant of the views expressed here? To be honest at times I've felt uncomfortable about certain things being posted knowing that the stars were reading some of the posts, and then I've reminded myself that this is an open discussion forum and we should not be restricted to expressing our views and opinions..

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Posted: 18 years ago
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i dun get this, Y R U BLAMING RAM? we shower luv for the actors becuz of their acting. we shower luv for the CHARACTERS when they do good deeds. first of all, EKTA AINT STOOPID! if she has the brains to get KS to the point where we all luved it, then she is smart enuff to noe dat we dun want jiju and sali sleeping together. wat diff. does it make if ram tells her? HE IS NOT THE PRODUCER OF THE SHOW, HE IS NOT ONE OF THE CREATIVE HEADS, HE IS AN ACTOR DAMMIT! even if he goes to ekta and says, dont do this pyari kekta mai, will she listen, dun u think she ALREADY NOES dat her fans wont lyk this? how big of an idiot do u think ekta is? rocky, i dun understand y this is ram's fault in ANY WAY. Y SHOULD WE CRITICISE HIM? even if we hate pia, we PRAISE ROSHINI for making us hate her so much! if ur blaming RAM becuz of wat jai did, then ur blaming ROSHINI for PIA's WHOLE CHARACTER! if ur gonna blame sumone, then blame ekta or her creative heads for screwing up THEIR awesome show. LEAVE RAM COMPLETELY OUT OFIT!

and... u r rite in saying that ppl can bash whoever they want in this forum and speak their opinions. i agree with u. but wat do u get out of criticizing an awesome actor lyk ram who isnt at fault? stop mixing up JAI and RAM. ram is an awesome guy with a very sexii personality.

im sorry if i came off too harsh, but as u said, we all have the right to express our opinions... this show has become apart of our lives... that i agree to as well... but its jai dat has committed the crime, NOT ram. k?
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Posted: 18 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: inavars

Hi Sparkel,

Would love to clarify....

You see I do consider that it is Ekta's serail.. but Ram is not without blame because of the following reasons...( based on the current situation in KS....)

1. Ram is a senior actor and is the lifeline of the show as Jai ......... he should not have done something so immoral as sleeping with your sali....Ram did not do that...Jai did it!😉 Agreed! 200% but Ram should not have allowed Jai to do it...

2. We love Ram....as Jai Walia.. right !.. ....

We shower him with all sorts of praises when he does something good.... right!... And i dont mean when he acts well.. he always acts well.. I mean when his charcater Jai Walia does something commendable in the serial Ks..we shower him with our love.... at that time nobody says that RAM today your JAI something so good.. but we know you were just doing your job .....When Jai Walia does something good, we praise him. And we praise Ram not because Jai did something good. We praise him b/c he ACTED well!

Soory hun.....😆 but i dont agree with this..... if i started praising Ram for his acting .. then i sincerely believe i will get tired of typing but my words would not finish..... i notice ever single move that he makes...😆😆

Also at that timre NO ONE and I do mean No one goes and showers all this love on Ekta.... poor lady only comes to our mind when something bad happens because we belive Ram is a an actual ram and therefore absolved of all the guilt....That's because Ekta is the one coming up w/ the story!...and personally i think it's just because we have to blame SOMEONE so poor ekta ends up being the victim!

"......just because we have to blame SOMEONE ....."

I think even you understand that when one is angry then one feels a need to be angry at someone and we don't always mean it...

As a result I feel if Ram gets credit for all good deeds of Jai then he is fully entitled to receive duscredit for all bad deeds of Jai...Again...Ram does not get credit for all the good deeds of Jai...we're praising his acting!!! NOT what jai walia did!

😳......

3. Ram should have taken the the feelings of the audience into consideration....and should have refrained from having *** with his sali nad then cooly hoping into her sisters bed...Again you're mixing up Ram and Jai....JAI had sex w/ his sali NOT ram!

4. All actors keep the audiences in their mind when they do their roles....so why not Ram...I agree that they have to keep their audience in mind...but Ram is an actor....and these days...actors seem to be very replaceable...so if Ram does go against Ekta...is it safe for him as an actor?

Sometimes one has think about much more than simple safety.....

5. Also in movies also the actors gets uestioned and blamed for all that their character does.... as an actor you are responsible for the antics of your charcter and all actors i am sure understnad this...Who questions the actors for their characters?!Yes we bash the characters left right and center when we don't like what they do....but why blame the actors?!

tata,
rocky25

I'm sorry hun, if that comes off kind of rude...i don't mean to be!!!😛

it's just that i feel you're inserting Ram's name in all of the blanks that Jai's name should fill. Ram is NOT Jai!

Hi inavars,

You were not at all RUDE.... Relax..... I like frankness and boldness.. you dont have to be sorry for expressing your view to me atleast...if you want to give me the thirddegree go right ahead.... ( 😳would love to reply)

All i want to say is this.... i think we can agree to disagree......

We both are entitled to our independent opinions... no matter what anyone says atleast i will not change my viewpoint and also will not allow others to spoonfeed words into my nouth...

Also .. i understnd that Ram is admn fine actor and is simply potraying Jai walia... but considering the love and affections that has been bestowed on him.... he should have done something to not let his audiences down....

And as such i feel let down by Jai aka Ram...

tata,
rocky25...
( enjoyed matching wits throughly..)

Edited by rocky25 - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Affay

Do you all think that some of the discretion becoming an issue here is rooted in the fact that some of the stars visit this forum? Do we feel obliged to censor our postings and be cognisant of the views expressed here? To be honest at times I've felt uncomfortable about certain things being posted knowing that the stars were reading some of the posts, and then I've reminded myself that this is an open discussion forum and we should not be restricted to expressing our views and opinions..

Exactly!.... never be sorry for expressing your view .... i am sure even actors are looking for honest reactions....

tata,
rocky25

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: angad4life

i dun get this, Y R U BLAMING RAM? we shower luv for the actors becuz of their acting. we shower luv for the CHARACTERS when they do good deeds. first of all, EKTA AINT STOOPIID!........................... she is not Stupid she just likes making fools of us the aidience so you can say she is not stupid but wicked.............if she has the brains to get KS to the point where we all luved it, then she is smart enuff to noe dat we dun want jiju and sali sleeping together. ..................well honey are you sure you have been following Ks.......... That's exactly what has happened...... and even if it hasn't ( on the offchance)Jai thinks it has.. till now...........................wat diff. does it make if ram tells her? HE IS NOT THE PRODUCER OF THE SHOW, HE IS NOT ONE OF THE CREATIVE HEADS, HE IS AN ACTOR DAMMIT! ..................Exactly my love.... you see an actor who has received unparalled love and affection of the fans that haas taken him to the pinnacle of television success .. the same fans should not be so easily ignored and let down.....................even if he goes to ekta and says, dont do this pyari kekta mai, will she listen, dun u think she ALREADY NOES dat her fans wont lyk this? ...............i though you said that she is not stupid.. .... then knowing that " her fans" will not like it why is she doing it........how big of an idiot do u think ekta is? .....Idiot .. no.... Cruel...... Yes!....rocky, i dun understand y this is ram's fault in ANY WAY. Y SHOULD WE CRITICISE HIM?........ Yes!.... even if we hate pia, we PRAISE ROSHINI for making us hate her so much!?........ Soory again hun... I don't do that.... if ur blaming RAM becuz of wat jai did, then ur blaming ROSHINI for PIA's WHOLE CHARACTER! if ur gonna blame sumone, then blame ekta or her creative heads for screwing up THEIR awesome show. LEAVE RAM COMPLETELY OUT OFIT! ........ Soory again My dear........ I will not leave Ram alone.... I think Ram is partly to blam and will continue to believe so......

and... u r rite in saying that ppl can bash whoever they want in this forum and speak their opinions. i agree with u. but wat do u get out of criticizing an awesome actor lyk ram who isnt at fault? stop mixing up JAI and RAM. ram is an awesome guy with a very sexii personality......... Tell me something new....

im sorry if i came off too harsh,.......Not at all..... but as u said, we all have the right to express our opinions... this show has become apart of our lives... that i agree to as well... but its jai dat has committed the crime, NOT ram. k?

Hi,

Just one last thing..... Would you agree ..... Jai is a puppet with two strings one in the hand of Ekta and the other in Ram's hand....

tata,
rocky25

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