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Originally posted by: bhas1066
Vaishampayana said, Having heard the words that a woman hadbecome the salvation for the sons of Pandu, Bhimasena was extremelyhurt. In the midst of the Kurus, he said unhappily, "Devala has saidthat there are three stars for a manoffspring, deeds and learning,since these are the source of creation. When the body has lost life and ishollow and impure, discarded by relatives, these are the three thatsurvive. But our light has become dark, because our wife has beenhumiliated. O Dhananjaya! How can offspring from a defiled one serveany purpose?Quite shocked by this attitude of Bhima here!!
Originally posted by: Siddhantmodi
Actually Draupadi was never disrobed as per CE mahabharata. It mentioned dussasan take away her upper garment and next uncovered. There are many upper garments of draupadi in Critical edition.
I don't accept treating two people in same situation differently. The same logic that is applied to one SHOULD also be applied to another in the same place. Otherwise, that is an act of favouritism. A critical discussion is NOT a place to get emotional. Just keep the facts and discuss.
When Draupadi silently accepted her husbands, even after they sold her, it was according to norms. We shouldn't look it from twenty first century perspective and try to see the big picture. But when she is silent about whatever Karna said or did to her, why is it not according to norms and why twenty first century perspective jumps in there? She said nothing ever against Karna because either she understood his POV that he said or did those things considering her a servant, or she was in love deep enough to forgive him as she did her husbands. No stones please. IT IS NOT MY LOGIC. It has been put forward by others in this same thread before. Yeah, at the end of the day, Drau had NO issue with Karna, except for the laughter. By the time of peace mission, she seemed to overlook even that. Therefore, we also should put behind our sentiments and twenty first century perspectives and see the matter through her eyes and accept her. If Karna actually said or did such stuff, it was her big heart that overlooked him, and forgave him. Who knows? Speaking otherwise only is an insult to her greatness, is my opinion.
Lastly, as I tried to see things from a big picture, as has been suggested, the background of characters came into play. There are many occasions in MBh where how the importance of public opinion could decide a king's fate is discussed in detail. For example, before Laksha Griha episode. Dhrit & Dury discuss in detail how taking any forcible action against Pandavas could affect them. Dhrit is even afraid that people would kill them all. But Dhrit finally had to give Half kingdom to Ps because his public opinion had gone down by what Purochana [Dury] secretly did. Dhrit, Karna, Dushy or Shakuni were not a part of this plan. Dury did it all by himself. And that secret died with him, except for Vidura suspecting it and informing pandavas the same. Yet, not even Vidura seemed to blame Dury for that. The point is, despite Purochana being accused for trying to burn Pandavas, no one did anything against Dhrit possibly because there was no direct evidence.
One of the primary duties of a king was to protect women. [not that they always did it, but they maintained that image] This I think was because an insulted woman was considered a blame and shame to her family and kula, not because they had feminist ideas. If we remember Bhima's words, he was doubtful of reaching 'heaven' if his son born from 'insulted' wife did his funeral rites. In such a society, if a queen was not protected in public from such insults, what was the fate of the general women? their families? their kulas? their husbands and sons going 'heaven' after death? How the public would've reacted to that? Had Draupadi been insulted as told, the next thing to happen was dethroning Dhrit or whoever held that position. Nothing unfortunate happened to Dhrit or anyone on his side after DS. And the most interesting possibility of such an insult would've been Pandavas getting to rule entire Kuru kingdom, immediately, at the cost of Dury's stupidity. Dury was never too foolish to miss that.
Dhrit too was quite intelligent. He immediately corrected Dury when he said Drau that she could be freed if she accepted Pandavas were not her lords, and granted Drau any boon she asked. Dhrit clearly had the insight to the future brought by Dury's words. It is quite unlikely that he kept silence at every insult that happened before. And Gandhaari, who told her son 'yato dharmah tato jaya' [victory is on the side of the right ones] when he went to see her before the war, was also present there. And she DID convince Dhrit to censure Dury and grant Drau whatever she wished for. It is quite unlikely that she too kept silence on previous humiliations. So were Bhishma, Drona and Vidura, who all always supported Pandavas, surprisingly didn't react to any insult.
We cannot 'inverse' that background and take away the nature of these characters just to fit them into a perspective.
I am in no way suggesting that Dury & co would never have done a thing like that. What I am saying is they would never have attempted it in public. Many kings and various other people were present in Dyuta Sabha. Had Kauravas been just common men, I would have believed they did it. But Dury was a royalty, a power-hungry king. As rightly been pointed out before, it is better to look at the nigger picture, to not scale things by today's sentiments and thrust today's psychology onto MBh characters forgetting that they were born and brought up as politicians and whatever they did always had political meanings than sentimental ones.
Originally posted by: Poorabhforever
in my honest opnion what bheem meant is that how can drau son respect any of the pandavas or fulfill their duties towards them the reason being that pandavas were also mute spectator of drau s insult this i think is more consisent with bhim s character as he was the most vocal against drau s insult in dyut sabha