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Posted: 9 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: swetha4avzm

I don't think calling the trend stupid and asking people to focus on "save the world" is right its rather hypocrisy cause last time I checked doing something and taking an initiative for your own happiness is not wrong its a basic human trait! And more over the trend really din't harm anyone so I don't find anything unhealthy or wrong in it! If you're doing something for your happiness and if it doesn't harm others then you have nothing to be 'ashamed' of. Coming to bashing yes there were some bashing I'm not to gonna downright deny that but the entire trend was not channeled towards bashing a few did which cannot be avoided cause every movement will have its own set of weak links but branding the entire trend as bashing is so wrong cause they were simply trending to save there OTP which they all have come to love so dearly!


Trend became stupid when they started bashing.. I think trend actually started with, holding MTV and channel head responsible for Parth's exit and abusing them if m not wrong.

Trend did not harm anyone?? Really?? It was more than evident that cast members, writers were hurt. And mind u that was not because of people loving manan.. That was because of their bashing, being disrespectful about them and their work.

As people say show is all about MaNan as many feel that way, ppl say trend was toxic as most of the tweets were about bashing one or the other person associated with the show. It is inevitable. Ppl would have really ignored if it were really few using the trend for wrong reasons because that happens on the daily basis and nobody would have cared.



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Posted: 9 years ago
#52
People have abused Mtv/Ph so many times for not uploaded the episode online , editing glitches and other technical messes ..son really I never saw anyone stepping up for them then.
Mtv showed 2 weeks of crap , adverts ..they know that will not get them favourable results.

People had no idea about Parth vs Niti but because of some source they had no problems ripping apart Parth, his ex and the whole cast.


I recently trended for GOP coz that is fun for me, out of million users there were few extreme ones and there are few who used WithUNiti to bash Parth, cast and other trenders.

Eye for an eye , logic , you know.

Why must anyone justify why they are trendin that for Parth or MaNan. Many might do it for MaNan , some for Parth. While the counter trend was for Niti..you see what I mean? It always has to be Parth vs Niti and sorry, everyone there contributes to it.

It's twitter- for all i have learned , never take that place seriously. No one is a saint out there.😆

Parth and Vikas relationship, pairing them together, mocking them on twitter , yeah man thats not bullying at all.

Heck Parth credits Vikas we jump on him, but we cannot do that to Niti you know , thats hurtful and disrespectful.



I am aware of how they have bashed Niti too and I condemn that as well.


My advice to the ones talking about cyber bullying- go check your timelines or whatever that thing is called , see if you haven't bashed/mocked anyone online..be honest, for once.


Edited by charminggenie - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#53
You know what forget it, it doesn't matter you guys are pro in perspective viewing. I trended, I did not bash anyone, I did it for my own happiness. Peace.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: Medha.S

Even if Parth comes back, MaNan will always be tainted now.We got something back by demoralizing, dehumanising and abusing the shit out of people Parth has to work with and has worked in the past.
This will be another sexist fandom with internalised misogyny rampant in extremist fanatics in sections equivalent to Radical feminists in feminism and religious extremist fanatics of any religion.
Congratulations!


News is whatever Nandini and Niti today is because of RichaYamini. I will not comment on Niti, but yeah Nandini was bcoz of Richa and her vision. So was MaNan. Ppl use Richa's absence to criticise show and Nandini in the trend but hey!! MaNan ll not be affected by Richa's absence.. It is only Parth's presence that matters😕


How will Parth's come back(If he is coming back) justify the bashing happened in trend?? Questions r being raised on ppl who were against the trend because ppl started abusing based on assumptions. One can choose to believe/ not to believe in sources. Personal choice. Everyone is allowed to take a stand for what they believe is true. But what sources have been saying all along will not become FACTS if he comes back and justify all the wrong things that happened in the name of trend. NEVER(atleast for me)
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Posted: 9 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: Medha.S

The thousands of tweets were used to take it to that 2 million mark.By thousands of fans who were going at it almost 24/7, not millions. You might feel it ain't a big deal and you are welcome to gloss over it if you wish, I ain't forcing you to accept my perception ... mate! :)


check you numbers
there are merely 200 -250 who are tweeting or rtwt
Kidos to their dedication👏
they are on it like 24*7

Why I quoted the number?

They have become a closed group being led by certain FCs, and so a very good tweet or an Open letter with #MTVbringbackparth reaches almost all the trenders becoz of heavy re-tweeting.

So at most I have seen about 180- 200 retweets on few popular such tweets. 70 -80 here and there makes it close to 250.

so max 250 -300 are running this massive effort
needs applaud !!


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Posted: 9 years ago
#56
Gen *hugs*.S2, I don't know anything about it.But remember when we used to watch S1 and some of us used to be so critical, harsh at times but it came out of a place of love and devotion to the characters. I can't overlook the trend because I follow tons of our friends and AT members who have given so much time to the trend, hoping for a positive results.So I was supportive, I retweeted.I tweeted.I was frustrated too, I am still in denial that my two fav characters were given such a ridiculous ending I can't even grieve properly.
But its just so disheartening to come across tweets after tweets in the trend, dissing the new cast members and the old ones,demanding how this new guy dare think he will be loved, that he is hated by the whole fandom because we love Parth.The trend has become a representation of the whole fandom and I don't get it.Because I took part in it simply because MaNan and I can't watch the show without it.I didn't associate with it because people diss S2 for the sake of dissing and making a point that, we all hate it and hate the new character and actor just because we don't get what we want.I don't know about Parth, I don't know why he left, I have never been attached to Niti and Parth the way people in the fandom or even in the AT are, couldn't understand the fascination and shied away from the discussions about them.I am not a fake fan, I am not a fake MaNan shipper because I don't personally connect with actors.Parth could have left for many reasons, maybe he was insulted, maybe he decided he was done and moved on.I still don't see how Niti or any of the cast or the new guy could be responsible and faulted for that.People claim to not watch the show but talk shit about the characters and show anyway.People hope it gets cancelled if their demands are not met to teach them a lesson.
I know I hoped they will end the show, now i hope niti would quit and move on.But its not up to me.I am a viewer, I am here to watch the show, i don't make it. Its just mind boggling that Parth's tweet about moving on can't be taken seriously enough but niti saying that she is being bashed is met with , ' but we are doing it for you,because we want you to be lead, because Nandini has to be saved, we are helping you, we are disappointed, you should appreciate and thank Parth for everything, that you are popular because Manik is the reason Nandini exists, don't destroy MaNan'. I don't know how to unsee the fact that apparently parth has to come back because the new guy is not good looking, that he looks like a rat, that he is a hobo and can't even speak English? I thought we had better reasons as to why Parth should come back. Now he can come back, maybe we will even get a good closure for MaNan.But the things I have seen I will never forget.In my mind, it will always be related to this trend. I am not going to let anyone tell me that I am not a MaNan fan just because I couldn't care enough about what career decisions parth made or who Niti didn't thank.That I am a Nitian or whatever if I wish her good luck in s2 or a not devoted MaNan fan if I wish Part good luck for the rest of his career.
You will always be the most devoted MaNan lover and a true KY2 fan because you never let your love for them be affected by whatever happened off screen.You have always been the most optimistic fan in the fandom and no one can convince me otherwise.You, so many amazing true MaNan fans on the AT and even I have given more time to the show, more love, understanding and many sleepless nights, and probably millions and millions of words to the show and our beloved characters.No extremist on either side, no actor loyalists and dare I say, superficial fans of looks and physique can take that away from us. I don't want to loose the friends, the bonds and relationships I have gained through MaNan and ky2, no matter what happens with the show and what f**kery fans and some members of the caste get up to.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#57
Nice to see you here Medha!


I want to drop in a few points focusing SOLELY about the show and not anything off-screen related because I rather stay away from those things right now. It's haunting to say the least.


When we join a forum or any online medium where you are open to sharing and expressing your personal views and ideologies, there really are only two thing which one should keep in mind; respect and honesty. This is a virtual world. We know nothing about each other apart from our fancy and innovative usernames. Yes we may grow a fond bond with each other as time progresses and we may carry that friendship on outside of any forum or blog, but those matters come at a later stage. Initially, it's just you, your username, your words and how you present them to the other people which will become your virtual identity.

Usually, there would be two reasons why you would make a post on a public forum like IF. The first would be if you would like to appreciate or acknowledge a certain character, episode or scene from the show. And second would be if you would like to critique the show on the basis of why you didn't appreciate something, didn't approve of it or why you felt so disconnected. Anyone's and everyone's views can contradict, clash and differ. But by all means, who gives us the license to personally critice and/or judge the person on the basis of his/her words? Who gives you the control to so inconveniently pull out derogtative worded arguments and make a personal issue out of this whole episodic discussion? I find no other word in my word-list apart from WRONG. That's just morally wrong.

This is a public forum. No one is allowed to control your right of speech here. But how hard is it to have a conversation whilst ensuring no personally disgracing boundaries are crossed when you are having an episodic conversation. Be it an appreciative or criticism post, relevant and contextually correct arguments should always be welcome. But just because we have the access to a public forum, it by all means gives us NO right to make anything here personally subjective. This is a virtual world. You do NOT know enough about the person on the other side of the computer. If they have not exceeded their limits, you should be well aware not to either.


Furthermore, note before I had started writing this post, I had actually clarified that this post is solely in reference to the show and it's "reel" issues related. There is a reason for that. Can I please clarify here. Supporting a character or their notions and actions "on-screen", DOES NOT make you a blind fan of that actor. Heck what are even these tags like "Parth lover" & "Niti Admirer". This is a show. A show is not about a female lead and a male lead. It's about their story, their connect, emotions, side actors and their stories. It's about camera angles and shots.It's about story-writing. It's about lighting, execution, direction, overall editing. A show is about whether a fan feels the connect with a fictional story and/or the characters or not. Then how in the whole world does a critiquing discussion about why Nandini wasn't portrayed as real or an appreciating post about why Manik's anger was justified, is always made into an off-screen matter? We know Niti and Parth because we've connected to them as Nandini and Manik. That. Is. All. There really is no need to connect irrelevant dots here and there about how off-screen liking and disliking connects to off-screen approval and disapproval.


Furthermore, let's say for the sake of a hypothetical situation that a person has made an appreciative post for Nandini, on what basis do you judge and justify that the person loves Niti more than Parth? She is talking about the story. The episode. How Nandini's eyes were so deep and emotional and it reinforced the idea of how hurt she was. - How does a statement like that automatically perceive this person to be a Niti lover? If our inner-consciousness holds such telepathic powers, please do enlighten me as well because I think it'd help me out in the future too.


Carrying on this argument of Parth vs Niti. So what is the problem here? Why one must be so damn harsh with their words for someone who has a soft corner for one actor rather than the other. Actors are there to entertain fans. If one likes the work of the other more or prefers one as a person over the other, why do we have to be so hell-bound to prove ourselves as to why their choice is wrong and ours is right? Oh right...I forgot. This is a virtual world where we define our own bounds and limits. There's no fear. No shame. It's all about our freedom, rights and speech.

Everyone. Seriously. Let it be.



I was a late comer to this forum. Wasn't a part of it since the beginning of this show. But I've had enough exposure to know what this forum once used to be and what it is now. Some things have changed. For the worse, trust me. And some things remain the same.


This place doesn't remain one for any honest and respectful conversations. Sometimes there is scope. But most the time - it's just simple fear and exhaustion. I flick through posts where most ending statements are "no bashing please" or "bashers are not welcome". Why? Because there remains no trust amongst this fandom or any trust within ourselves that posts and threads will not be criticised, judged or "bashed" for all the odd reasons.


I had once said to someone that never fear of expressing your words. Open communication is the only way you can survive a virtual world. And here I stand today, witnessing the definition of 'open communications' evolving in front of my eyes as a means to personally judged, ridicule and criticise someone on the basis of their likes and dislikes. I wish I could say here that perhaps silence is the only way to survive this virtual world.


As I leave, I'd say one last thing. Don't use your words as weapons to belittle someone's inner-consciousness. Because when you start mocking others' individuality, ideologies and personal upbringing on the basis of their words, you groom your words to be not your strength, but your weakness. One day, your own words to someone, will question your own identity.







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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ genie...I wud tell bot CERTAIN part of d fandom n I hope ul understand...
V hv always respected ur opinion bout the show...bot d characters...and v definitely consider u amongst ONE of d UNBIASED MaNan fan literally...and d people kolng U a suhagan and claiming that U hate Nandini/Niti v r NOT in favor of that coz v have seen u all this while standing up for Nandini and Manik equally may it be onscreen or off screen...I myself am not watching s2 but I even refrain myself from mocking S2...I don't ask others to boycott s2 ( I know u cnt control every single person ) but thts how it works...

V never Mock nor stop them from TRENDING (atleas u understand wat part of fandom m tokng bout )...coz THIS trending even consists of SOME GENUINE MaNan fans and v understand their pain..they being hurt of NOT getting a HAPPILY EVER AFTER for MaNan...they being not able to Move on may it be a fictional couple bt it just shows their LOVE...and we genuinely feel bad for THOSE MaNan fans...
V just keep forward our opinion NOT mock but v try to be REASONABLE...V try to make them aware of d FACTS and how even after this trending MaNan won't be d SAME...yes v wud get back parth n niti TOGETHER onscreen but given at wat level the story has reached and d ACTUAL SOUL has left d show just to watch THEIR faces TOGETHER again wth d new creative ppl are spending time sending innumerable hate tweets wudnt make any sense...don't u think so...??? And moreover d GUY QUIT on his OWN without getting insulted wch is CLEARLY NOT accepted by d fandom YET hence fans trending WAS a result of their DENIAL initially wch turned into gtng MaNan HEA...trust me on this...this is how psychology worked for fandom...this might sound preaching to many coz ppl take it like that but atleas V are following d idea of "Live and let live" and interfere only when d ppl trending go on involving/blaming d CAST for every action of theirs...till then no1 seems to be bothered wth d trend n seem to be fine wth s2 Nandini and MaNan memories...


As for Parth's every iv gtng dissected...genie in every Niti's iv ppl seem to extract nonexistent FEELS...if she keeps giving them every1 adores her d moment she utters against it or something she is tht very moment put on a pedestal...
The same ppl who are trending NOW to get a supposed MaNan HEA (barring few) bashed the BOY right left and center wen he released his Quitting statement and d SAME ppl or I should say certain fandom bashed d GAL who ws NOT even related to kyy months back...both d times v din even bother to react coz maybe we ACCEPTED HIS decision of moving on keeping MaNan in our memories alive...😊

Edited by jyotib24 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: Lov_niti


check you numbers
there are merely 200 -250 who are tweeting or rtwt
Kidos to their dedication👏
they are on it like 24*7

Why I quoted the number?

They have become a closed group being led by certain FCs, and so a very good tweet or an Open letter with #MTVbringbackparth reaches almost all the trenders becoz of heavy re-tweeting.

So at most I have seen about 180- 200 retweets on few popular such tweets. 70 -80 here and there makes it close to 250.

so max 250 -300 are running this massive effort
needs applaud !!


Really? Only that many? Kudos to the ones who were trending for MaNan and actually love MaNan,who weren't mindlessly calling other humans names and insulting people in the trend, who understand that MaNan won't be what it is , without Nandini. That the trend wasn't just for Parth, like that person who DMed Parth that all was done just for him. *claps* :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
#60
I never trend for anything related to this show and never will.
@MS- It's human nature, you cannot stop people. There are genuine people on both sides and some fanatics too.

I have seen someone tweet to YuVraj that how his is not a Princess - clearly a dig at Parth while that person tagged WithUNiti. There are so many tweets out there. It's kinda awesome that place, because the hypocrisy comes across so well.

You know everyday some news comes about Parth , that is judged , his leaving was mentioned as he doesn\t care for the show. Who the heck makes up those opinions. Even if he comes back , people will be oh he wanted attention , jobless. I don't know these actors personally but I don't like how everyone becomes a soldier to them for no reason. I don\'t care what they do and why , I go by content and what the makers promised.
The infamous PaKas shipping too . Not mocking at all.



Like , I said , it's a trend ,that platform is such that I have never seen a trend all clean or without any extreme reaction.


I never stopped watching the show when people called Parth princess or mocked his personal life. I never stopped watching the show when Niti was s**tshamed for kissing scene . I never stopped watching the show when Ayaz called fans faggots ..so on.
Just because some bunch of online users think, it's cool to judge, mock ..I won't care or give them the power to influence my actions.

How do you critique a show - if i can mock Uttu for his acting, I cannot do the same for Jotu or yuVraj, coz thats demeaning. Wait, read up the reviews of movies they call actors wooden plank and what not. Parth was/is called things , so was Niti- why did we not stop watching the show then?

Actors won't stop acting, Makers won't stop producing the show and fans will react however they want.


@Jyoti - Please use that "v" word carefully, because then again here is the generalization. I can quote the members who have mocked Parth and still do . There is no saint and I will never take accountability of others because I can check their profiles and comments on twitter. Everyone tries to pretend that their trending is clean but can we attest for that? Sadly no.


Yes , their ivs are dissected and frankly they will-public statement, public celebs , nature of their job..they are aware of it too.


For me , the show should have ended at S1, I don't blame Parth or Niti but deffo the makers for handling it so bad. I gave a shot to S2 because of the cast statements and for Nandini but I detest how they are shaping it up. My opinion. They are promising something for S2 and not delivering on it.

It's SNS - everyone can be an online bully without one realizing it. Why and how they trended , I can disagree with it but that will never influence my opinion of something that I loved and cherished.

There is nothing called fake fan or whatever, you do whatever you but lets stop the judging all across.


MaNan for me is PaNi.
There are Modi tweets, right now on Trump- heck some are downright vile- I don't agree with thr arguments but does that stop the show/leaders/trenders or whatever. That is SNS my friend. People will use , trending for their ulterior motives on BOTH sides.
Edited by charminggenie - 9 years ago

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