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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: godisone

Duryodhan made Karna King of Anga (a kingdom part of the land Dhritarastra ruled), which was a kingless place in need of a King. At first, Duryodhana made friends with Karna for his own selfish reasons. He had seen that Karna was equal to Arjun in archery, and he wanted someone like him on his side. When he saw the Pandavas scorn Karna, he knew that his chance came, and made friendship with him. He hoped that this would cause Karna to always support him, and it did. Later on though, Duryodhana really did value Karna as a true friend, and what started out as his selfish purpose soon turned into one of the much talked of friendships in history.

Thanks a lot for the information 😊
So,was Karna never aware of Duryodhan's selfish plans?
And doesnt Karna know that Kunti is his mother & Pandavas his brothers?
Does he later on repents when he comes to know about his birth?
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: scorpio8990

Thanks a lot for the information 😊
So,was Karna never aware of Duryodhan's selfish plans?
And doesnt Karna know that Kunti is his mother & Pandavas his brothers?
Does he later on repents when he comes to know about his birth?

No, Karna was never aware of Duryodhan's plans. Right before the war started, Kunti told Karna that he was her first born, born from her unity with Suryadev. Kunti asked Karna to join his brothers, but Karna said that since he had already made a vow to always support Duryodhan, he would not abandon his friend in his time of need. Plus, it was Duryodhan who had supported him and not the Pandavas back in that skills exhibition. However, Karna had made a vow that whoever came to him at sunrise before the war started and asked for alms, he would grant them anything they wanted, and he was sad that he couldn't grant his own mother's wish, so he told her that he would never kill any of her sons except Arjun in the war, so in the end, she would still be known as the mother of five sons, with either Karna or Arjun alive, but not both.
Yes, Karna does repent when he comes to know of his birth, because due to his vow and Duryodhan, he was being forced to fight against his own brothers. It says that at this point, Karna had no angry feelings left towards any of his brothers, not even Arjun, and instead, he felt brotherly love towards them, but he could do nothing with his feelings except hide them from everyone. It even says in the book that during the war, Karna did everything in his power to protect Yudhisthir, Bheem, Nakul, and Sahdev from getting killed, so that his promise to his mother would be true and also, as their eldest brother, Karna did not want them killed out of his affection. He didn't want Arjun to be killed either, but he could not go back on his vow.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Am sorry if some of my questions are repeated. Would appreciate if my doubts are cleared. I do understand that there may be many different interpretations.

1. There are mentions in many places that none of Lord Krishna's family survived. But as per Mahabharata's Mausala Parva, Lord Krishna's great-grandson Vajra was crowned king of Indraprasta and there are mentions about Satyaki and Kritavarma's sons also surviving. So which is correct?
2. Read in some texts that Lord Krishna being a very close friend of Arjuna was because Indra had requested him to be. This was because in Ram avtaar the Lord had killed Bali who actually was Indra's son. Is that so?
3. Read in texts that the hunter who killed Lord Krishna was actually Angad (Vali's son) re-born. Since in Ram avtaar the lord had killed Vali unrighteously, so in order that justice be done Vali's son was re-born and he killed the Lord (unrighteously I guess). Is it correct?
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Posted: 16 years ago

Hi I have been on this forum for quite sometime, but as a silent member

I have been reading a lot of stuff nd so now m interested in reading books authored by Ved Vyas ji.
Akhl, since u hve so much knowledge can you please let me know where can I find books by him will appreciate it a lot
Thanks in advance 😃
Edited by ~nikki~ - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

@ angelz16

"Originally posted by ~angelz16


Who was Vedji? He was a rishi! You think hes dead? Aree, hes ONE among those 7 who are still alive since Satyug and will remain till Kalyug ends."

My limited knowledge says that Vedvyas in one of the 7 chiranjivis(deathless) but he was born in Dwapar Yug only not in Satyug. He was born to Matsyagandha (Satyavati's previous form) n Sage Parashara. His original name was Krishna Dwaipayan because he was dark-skinned n brought up by Matsyagandha in a Dwipa (island). He is a trikaal darshi
Not all chirajivins were born in Satyayuga

All sects believe that their sect, their view n belief is best. I m Shaakt(Shakti worshiper) by birth but to me Krishna is supreme n I'm trying to be a vegetarian.
Its extremely wrong to think that my belief is truth n others r wrong or my sect is best others r lower to my sect. That Supreme Omnipresent has himself created so many forms n manifestations of HIMSELF. This means He Himself loves to be worshiped is different forms n different ways. Without HIS will nothing is possible. If different purans n people call that Supreme by different names gave different Rup to Him this means that they r doing so by HIS wish only
Why u want everybody to call that Supreme by the name Krishna only. This world is very complex different people hav differnt opinion. Its never ever possible that all people of the world will accept n worshipp one Rup of "The Supreme".

More than Puran our own thought matters most. More than what Rishis said our own understanding matters more.
If someone believes that Shiva or Durga is that Supreme than is it correct on ur part to say that those who belive so r foolish or other _ _ _ _ words that u used for them.? How all can believe in one Rup of Almighty? Our personal veiw regarding God keeps changing. For example whe I was very toddler God was photo r idol to me, then when I learnt more He became a wish fulfilling entity for me or a very powerful entity for me. My veiw abt GOD completely changed when I read Geeta n Teachings of RamKrishna Paramahansa. I came out of my narrow veiw of GOD. N with my everyday learning my notion of GOD is expanding. I ask u a question- What God is now to u was he same when u were 3 or 5 year old.
We ourselves had different notions of God at different ages. Everyday we r learning more abt him.

Thus what a person himself has understood abt GOD is more important than what is written is Purans or Vedas or Upnishads or Samhita. If some sect belive that Shiva or Shakti or Vishnu or some other is Supreme then is it correct on ur part to call them foolish or ignorant


@akhl(avinash)
I agree wid u that
Bhaumasur and Narakasur were same.


👏 what an reply , i could never speak like this 😛😛😛,
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: its me tan

very well explained poorvi, i donot think, this is a place to fight for your belief, look what we have doneover disputes that my sect is best and others suk attutude for ages, most of the wars have spurred from religious intolerance, lets not spur such a battel here
its to a person how he wants god to be
as swami Vivekananda has said: religion is the manifestation of divinity in man
so your faith, beleifis the manifestation of your own soul, if you repect others faith, you respect yours only
adn as poorvi has said, taking from Shree Ramkrishna's tecahings: there are a lot of ways to call god, like therez a lot of routes to reach a destination, all lead to HIM only, there are as many routes as your opinions.
here we all are friends, all have a righ to voice their opinion, respect them everyone, we are all friends here irrespective of religion, belive, cast or sect


⭐️ Very well said👍🏼
⭐️👏👏
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Posted: 16 years ago
sorry to appreciate at these old post now but due to some reason i missed those post and got to read it now😛
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Posted: 16 years ago
Hi
I was wondering if this was an accurate representation of the actual Mahabhart...Ive never actually watched the show but plan on starting if it is accurate. The only reason I ask this is because ekta tends to extend the truth a little and I want the actual form of the Mahabhart
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Posted: 16 years ago

There was a debate that Lord Krishna is an avtaar of Lord Vishnu way back 1 year. I had left for my college after my last post in this forum and to this date I couldnt write back because I shifted to a completely new city for my college, away from home and not much net access etc. After all the months, now that I got time after my 1st year is over, I am back to write. I dont forget and its better late than never as always! There is no one left on this forum I see but I hve to do wat my work was. So, here it is....

LORD KRISHNA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL AND SUPREME.................
BRAHMA SAMHITA
Starting with Brahma Samhita which is written by Lord BRAHMA himself who everyone says is the supreme lord along with Lord Shiv and Lord Vishnu. In the whole of Brahma Samhita, there are numerous shloks where he has stated that Lord Sri Krishna is supreme and that he has is also the cause of the generation of Lord Vishnu and not only lord Vishnu but the generation of MAHA-Vishnu as well.
Below, I am stating 3 shloks that sum up those numerous shloks.
5th adhaya, 39th shlok:
Ramadimurtishu kalaniyamena tishthan
Nanaavtarmakrod bhuvneshu kintu,
krishnah swayam sambhavatparamaha puman yo
Govindmadipurasham tamaham bhajami
Meaning:-- Jinhone SHRI RAM, Narsingh, vaman ityadi vegrahon mein niyat sankhya ki kala roop se stith reh kar jagat mein vibhin avtaar liye, parantu jo BHAGVAN SRI KRISHNA ke roop me SWAYAM PRAKAT huye, un adi purash bhagvan Govind ka main bhajan karta hoon.
5th adhaya, 43rd shlok:
Goloknamni nijdhamni tale cha tasya
Devimaheshharidhamsu teshu teshu
Te Te prabhavnichaya vihitascha yen
Govindmadipurasham tamaham bhajami
Meaning:-- Jinhone golok namak apne SARVAPARI(the uppermost) dham mein rehte hue uske niche stith kramsha Vaikunt lok jahan pe Vishnu bhagvan virajte hain, Shiv lok jahan Shiv bhagvan virajte hain, Devi lok namak vibhin dhamon(other dhams) ke vibhin swamiyon(the onwners) ko yathayogya adhikar pradhan kiya hai, un adipurash(meaning the first man) GOVIND ka main bhajan karta hoon.
5th adhaya, 48 shlok:
Yasyakanishvasitkalmathavalambya
Jeevanti lomvilja jagdandanatha:
VishnurMahan sa eha yasya kalavishesho
Govindmadipurasham tamaham bhajami
Meaning:-- Maha Vishnu ke rom chidron se prakat Brahma, avem bahutik brahmandon ke anya swami gadn unke(maha vishnu ke) ek nishwas jitne kaal tak hi jivit rehte hain, paruntu jinki ek vishisht kala matra(i.e. an extraodinary art of Lord Krishna) Maha-vishnu bhi hain, un adi purash GOVIND ka main bhajan karta hoon.
SKAND PURAN MAHATMA
These 2 shlok should be enough from Skand Puran since it says these two shloks alone say it ALL so I am not writing the further shloks.
3rd adhaya, 21 and 22 shlok
Ikshanchakre yada Krishno mayapurasharupdrakh
Brahma Vishnu Shivaschapi rajah satvatamogudaya|| 21
Purshastraya utasthuradikaranstadadishatautpatau Palane Cheva Sanghare Prakramedra Tana|| 22
Meaning:-- Apni maya se purash roop dharan karne vale Bhagvan Sri Krishna ne jab shrishti ke liye sankalp kiya arthat shrishti ko utpan karna chaha tab unke divya vegrah se(meaning sharir se) teen purash prakat hue. In mein rajo gudan ki pradhanta se Brahma, satva gudan ki pradhanta se VISHNU aur Tamon gudan ki pradhanta se Rurdra(Bhagvan Shiv) prakat hue.
Bhagvan Sri Krishna ne in tino ko kramshah(respectively), jagat ki utpati, palan aur sanghar karne ka adhikar pradan kiya.
BRAHMA VAIVART PURAN
Brahma Khand, 1st shlok:
GaneshBrahmeshSureshSheshah
Surasacha sarve manvo munindraha
SaraswatishriGirijadikashcha
Namnti devyah pradramaami tamvibhum
Meaning:-- Ganesh, Brahma, Mahadev ji, Devraj Indra, ShehshNag adi sab devta, Manu, Munindra, Saraswati, Laxmi tatha Parvati adi deviyan bhi jinhe mastak jhukati hain, un sarva vyapi parmatma ko(Shri krishna) main pranam karta hoon.
Brahma Khand, 4th shlok:
Vande Krishnam Gudatitam param Brahmachutam yatah
Aavirbabhuvu: prakritiBrahmaVishnuShivadayah
Meaning:-- Jinse Prakriti, Brahma, Vishnu tatha Shiv adi ka aavir bhav(have generated) hua hai, un Trigunatit parabrahm parmatama achut Shri Krishna ki main(Rishi Sutji) vandana karta hoon.
The THIRD ADHAYA further states that:--
Sri Krishna ke dwara srishti ka arambh tatha Narayan, Mahadev, Brahma, Dharm, Saraswati, Mahalaxmi aur Prakriti(Durga) ka pradhurbhav bataya hai.
So, one can read it in depth from there if they want to know more.
VISHNU PURAN

So, Akhl from all the scriptures I have mentioned what is taken from where etc. but from Vishnu Puran, you find it. I will see if you can. When you can't then tell me and I will tell you where it is. Ok? =D
1st shlok)
Shrishtiisthityantkarniym Brahmavishnushivatmikam
Saa Sangyam yati Bhagvaneka av Janardanha:
Meaning:-- Vaha ek hi Bhagvan Shri Krishna(Janardhan) jagat ki shrishti(generate), stithi(preserve) aur singhar(destroy) ke liye Bhagvan Brahma, Vishnu aur Shiv - in teen sangyaon(roop) ko dharan karte hain.
2nd shlok)
Twamev jagato nabhi raradnamiva sanshrayaha
Karta paharta pata cha trayalokyam twum trayemayaha
Balram ji is saying to Lord Shri Krishna:--
Meaning:-- Pahiyon ki nabhi jis prakar aron ka ashraya hoti hai usi prakar aap(bhagvan sri krishna) hi jagat ke ashraya, karta(generator), harta(destroyer) aur rakshak(preserver) hain tatha aap hi trayalok ke swarup aur veda trayi maya hain.
PADMA PURAN

In the Padma Purana it is stated, by scrutinizingly reviewing all the revealed scriptures and judging them again and again, it is now concluded that Lord SHRI KRISHNA is the supreme absolute truth, and thus he alone should be worshipped.
Padma Puran, Uttar Khand, 1st adhyay, 1st shlok
SachidanandRupayeVishvotpatyadiHatave
TapatryaVinashaya ShriKrishanaya Vayam Namah
Meaning-- Bhagvan ke teen swarup hain...sat, chit and anand. Vo bhagvan vishwa(earth) ki utpati(generate) karte hain, uska palan(preserves) karte hain tatha samaye aane par, sanghar(destroy) kar dete hain. Jo teen tarah ke tap ko nasht(destroy) karne vale hain...AISE SHRI KRISHNA BHAGVAN KO HUM NAMAH KARTE HAIN.
GARG SAMHITA
According to Garg Samhita also, Lord Sri Krishna is supreme. Of which shloks, I had already provided in the MB Forum. Right Mr. Akhl?
SRIMAD BHAGVAD
Vasudeva Para Veda Vasudeva Para Makha
Vasudeva Para Yoga Vasudeva Para Kriya --- 1.3.28
Vasudeva Param Gyanam Vasudeva Param Tapah
Vasudeva Paro Dharmo Vasudeva Para Gati --- 1.3.29
Meaning-- Veda'on'(rig veda, yajur veda etcc etcc) ke tatparya SHRI KRISHNA main hi hain. Yagyon ka udeshya(AIM) SHRI KRISHNA hi hain. Yog(dhyan) SHRI KRISHNA ke liye hi kiye jaate hain. Aur samast karmon ki pari samapti SHRI KRISHNA mein hi hain. Gyan se Brahma swarup SHRI KRISHNA ki hi prapti hoti hain. Tapasya SHRI KRISHNA ki prasanta(happiness) ke liye hi ki jati hain. SHRI KRISHNA ke liye dharmon ka anushthan(Puja etc) hota hai. Aur sab gatiya(living and non-living things) SHRI KRISHNA mein hi sama jati hain.
English Mean -- After Describing various incarnations of the Lord such as Rama, Balrama, Vamana, Nrsimha, and Vishnu, Sukadeva Goswami states:
"All of the above mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions of portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Krishna is the original Personality of Godhead" --- Srimad Bhagavad 1.3.28
IMP...SRIMAD BHAGVAD - PRATHAM SKAND, 3rd ADHAYA, FROM 30TH SHLOK TO 34TH SHLOK, its been told that SHRI KRISHNA is the SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GOD(SARVAPRI). He generates, preserves and destroys the world when the time comes.
34TH SHLOK SAYS:--
BhavaYatiyash Satuen Lokan Vai Lok Bhavana
LilaAvtaraNurato DevTriyanghanRadishu
Meaning:-- Bhagvan SHRI KRISHNA hi sampurna(ALL) lokon(14 loks) ki rachna karte hain aur devta, pashu-pakshi, manushaya adi yoniyon mein leela avtar grehan karke...satva guran ke dwara jeevan ka palan poshan karte hain.
11th SKAND, 5th ADHAYA, 33rd SHLOK
Dheyam Sada ParibhavganaMabhishtaDoham
TirthaSpadam ShivViranchiNutam Sharanyam
Brahtyartihum Pranatapal BhavabdhiPotam
Vande Mahapurash Te CharnarVindam
Meaning:-- Prabhu(SHRI KRISHNA) aap sharnagat rakshak hain(one who protects those who surrender to him), aapke charnar vinda sada sarvada dhyan karne yogaya, maya moh ke karan hone vale sansarik parjayeyon ka anta kar dene vale tatha bhakton ki samasth abhishta vastuon ka daan karne vale kam dhenu swarup hain. Vetirthon ko bhi tirath bana dene vale swayam PARM TIRTH SWARUP HAIN. SHIV, BRAHMA, ADI BADE BADE DEVTA UNHE NAMASHKAR KARTE HAIN.
GITA MAHATMA
Ekam Shastram DEVAKIputragitameko devo devakiputra aev
Eko Mantrastasya Namani Yani Karmapiyekam Tasya Devasya Seva
Meaning:-- Lord Sri Krishna is supreme and is the true meaning of puran, shastra etc. and everything is generated from him, be it lords, humans or any other thing.
BHAGVAD GITA
SHLOKS 11.10, 11.11, 11.12 and 11.13 -- All these are talking about the VIRAAT swarup of Lord Sri Krishna.
11.10 and 11.11 mentions that Arjuna saw in that universal form unlimited mouths, unlimited eye, unlimited wonderful visions. The form was decorated with many celestial ornaments and bore many diving upraised weapons. He wore celestial garlands and garments, and many divine scents were smeared over his body. All was wondrous, brilliant, unlimited, all expanding.
11.12 - Divi suryasehstrasaya bhavedyugapaduthita
yadi bha:sadrashi saa syabhadasastsya mahatmanaha
Meaning:-- If hundreds of thousands of suns were to rise at once into the sky, their radiance might resemble the effulgence of the supreme person Lord Sri Krishna in that universal form.
11.13 - Tatryiakastham jagatKRISHNAM pravibhaktamanekadha
Apshayadevadevasaya Sharire Pandavastada
Meaning:-- Pandu putra Arjun ne us samay anek prakar se vibhakt arthat alag alag sampuran jagat ko DEVON ke DEVA Bhagvan SRI KRISHNA ke ush sharir mein stith dekha artath sampuran jagat ko, Arjun ne bhagvan mein dekha.

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