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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bengal_Princess

Well i dnt think this is relevant to what ur saying but Muslims believe 1st cuzin mariage are orite and this custom has been believed at that time and now so this maybe similar to the Hindu custom 2! Most muslims nowadays dnt wna do this as they believe its too much of a close bond aka me!



u r rgt. but in hindu custom marriage b/w children of brothers is not acceptable as they share same gothra n surname. but u can marry father's sister's daughter/son as after marriage the gothra n surname of aunt changes n she is considered a part of another family. thts the reason during marriage they do kanyadaan. this practice is there in south india even 2day.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Mods, please close this topic.. itz moving in a wrong direction..
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: ketaki_ry

yes they were cousins.. but maternal uncle's sides cousins marriages were allowed at that time.. coz techinically - It they belonged to different family.

Yes but would they not be related by blood through thier mums side?
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: hemanshi

I think subhadra was adopted or something, There is some story which i can't remember now..but i remember hearing somewhere that she was'nt the biological child of Devki and Vasudev...
but I could be wrong..

Ok from what I remember from RC version of Mahabarat. When Lord Krishna was born he was taken to Nand Gaw and Nand Lal who is VAsudevs friend says to Vasudev I was waiting for you. Nand Lal then takes baby Krishna and lays him next to Yashoda, and in return gives Vasudev a baby girl who was born to Yashoda and Nand Lal. Nand Lal then says to Vasudev the baby girl has just been born and Yashoda herself doesnt know the gender of the baby. Hence Vasudev takes that particular baby girl back with him to the prison cells where Devki awaits. And after Kansa learns that Devki has delivered a baby girl he still want to to kill that child even knowing that its a girl and not a boy. When Kans was about to kill the baby girl then a akashvani appears saying that the baby girl is a devine form and the eigth child has already been born. And after that - that particular baby girl was never metioned again until Subadra - and the birth of subadra was never clarified in terms of was she devki or rohinis daughter. So I've always though of Subadra being that baby girl (who possibly could have been Yashoda and Nand Lals daughter) because when Lord krisha returned to mathura that partuclar baby girl was never again mentioned. Unless I missed something.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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No, Subhadra was much much younger than Krishna.. She was born to Vasudev-Rohini (Balaram's mother) after Vasudev was released from prison..
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Posted: 17 years ago
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yes I also agree to that as I have read varioys sources on the net stating that Subhadra was born to Vasudev and Rohini many years later after Balram and Lord Krishna ... i think this may have been mentioned at some point in RC's Mahabarat.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: applesauce1313

I think Kunti and Vasudev were cousins. If you notice during the war Arjuna asks how he can fight against his brothers and relatives. By brothers he means the Kauravas who are actually cousins and not own brothers.
So if Kunti and Vasudeva are cousins, then Arjun and Krishna would be second cousins. I suppose that would be slightly more distant and ok for marriage!

no, kunti and vasudev were brother and sister not cousins. they were both the children of Surasena.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: San Star

Yes but would they not be related by blood through thier mums side?

yes they were related by blood through their mom side, but at that time they see it differently.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Marriages and gotras

Marriages within the gotra ("swagotra" marriages) are banned under the rule of exogamy in the traditional matrimonial system. People within the gotra are regarded as kin and marrying such a person would be thought of as incest. In some communities, where gotra membership passed from father to children, marriages were allowed between uncle and niece, while such marriages were forbidden in matrilineal communities, like Malayalis and Tuluvas, where gotra membership was passed down from the mother. A much more common characteristic of south Indian Hindu society is permission of marriage between cross-cousins (children of brother and sister). Thus, a man is allowed to marry his maternal uncle's daughter or his paternal aunt's daughter but is not allowed to marry his father's brother's daughter, a parallel cousin, who is treated as a sister.

North Indian Hindu society not only follows rules of gotra for marriages, but also has many regulations which go beyond the basic definition of gotra.

from wikipedia
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: rongna

Marriages and gotras

Marriages within the gotra ("swagotra" marriages) are banned under the rule of exogamy in the traditional matrimonial system. People within the gotra are regarded as kin and marrying such a person would be thought of as incest. In some communities, where gotra membership passed from father to children, marriages were allowed between uncle and niece, while such marriages were forbidden in matrilineal communities, like Malayalis and Tuluvas, where gotra membership was passed down from the mother. A much more common characteristic of south Indian Hindu society is permission of marriage between cross-cousins (children of brother and sister). Thus, a man is allowed to marry his maternal uncle's daughter or his paternal aunt's daughter but is not allowed to marry his father's brother's daughter, a parallel cousin, who is treated as a sister.

North Indian Hindu society not only follows rules of gotra for marriages, but also has many regulations which go beyond the basic definition of gotra.

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But Kunti(before her adoption) n Paandu must have same Gotra. Let me explain it. Kunti n Vasudev were children of Sursena(who was a Yaadav) thus they were Yaadavs . Kauravs, Paandavs n Yaadavs had a common forefather---King Yayaati. King Yayaati had two sons Yadu and Puru. Desendents of Yadu r known as Yaadavs whereas Puru was forefather of Kauravs n Paadavs(paandu was alos a kaurav)

Kunti was adopted by King KuntiBhoja because he had no daughter. Thus after her adoption by King KuntiBhoja her Gotra changed n her relation with the original gotra ceased. So it was lawful for her to marry Paandu

Arjun was a Paandav n Subhadra was a Yaadav-- they must have same gotra because they had a common forefather--King Yayaati

The strict rule of prohibition of Sagotra mariage must have been relaxed in later ages because after the passage of thousand years their remains no logical basis for this prohibition. In later years only sapinda marriage were prohibited. modern hindu law also prohibits only sapinda marriage

If a boy wants to marry a sagotra girl (but who is not sapinda) a little adoption ceremony needs to be done before marriage so that the gotra of the girl can be changed by adoption before the marriage.

Normally cousins fall under prohibitted degree of relation so marriage with them is prohibiited. Though marriage with second cousin is lawful but it is normally discouraged.

Biologically Arjun was son of Indra n Subhadra was a Yaadav and Arjun's father Paandu was Vedvyas's son---- then what's wrong in this marriage?
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