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Posted: 9 years ago
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My dear Abhaya,

What pleasure it is when a truly discerning reader likes one's writing so much! Thank you!

I agree with you that this Jodha is a very poorly written character, not just inconsistent, but unfair and unimaginative. Her behaviour in most of this track is like that of a peevish and uncaring girl, but worse, that of one who cannot even be grateful for the good done to her and hers by Jalal. Nor does she have any idea of how the things she says must sound to the other side; if the same things had been said to her, she would have been hurt beyond words and furious at the same time.

But then, as you yourself have noted, I never use the 'badly written" excuse when a character, here Jodha, is behaving abominably, for once one does that, one cannot praise the character for the positive things they do either.So I skewer Jodha when I think she deserves it, and Jalal likewise - as when he was like a rampaging bull during the dature ka ark track - but in all this, he is far more sinned against than sinning, and that shows in my analyses.

I am perfectly sure that the real Hira Kunwari must not have been anything like this Jodha. Nor the real Akbar like this marshmallow of a Jalal. The only saving grace is how very good Rajat is most of the time. He needs a female lead who can match him nuance for nuance. I understand that Mugdha, who starred opposite his young Prithviraj, was like than. Well, if wishes were horses!

The same expression would do for the regret that the CVs did not think of using my lines for Jodha, nor the Jalal-Hawai-Jodha scene that I had suggested. It need not even have been Jodha going to Jalal to soften the impact of her words of a little earlier. She could have gone to check up on Hawai on her own, and run into Jalal there, giving Hawai the ark. Oh, well!

Retirement... Yes, I can see that you are so run off your feet right now that it looks very tempting, though it must be very far off! I never looked forward to it, and in my last diplomatic posting as the Indian High Commissioner (Ambassador) to Canada, on top of the regular embassy work, I had to travel so much across that huge country meeting contacts and making speeches, that I had no time to breathe. I was concerned as to how I would cope when all that activity was suddenly stopped. But the fact was that I fitted into my new life seamlessly. Of course I never anticipated being pitchforked into doing what I am doing now, spending 3 hours plus a day on analysing the re-run of a pseudo-historical!😉

Take care, Abhaya,

Shyamala

Originally posted by: fanjarajat

Brilliant! Thanks to yet another wonderful analysis. It gives me great pleasure to read your musings on the episodes. Never thought I would be hooked on to the episode review. Speaks volumes of your ability to hold the readers.

Rajat has done an outstanding job in the early episodes, and the one where Jodha asks him to leave is my least favorite of the Sukanya wedding episodes, but to Pari's defense 'Jalal' had better lines and a more consistent character. And Rajat Tokas did justice wherever possible. Jodha's character seems so inconsistent that you never know what to expect. One minute she cares for him , is sorry for having him nearly killed, grateful to him for giving the fort..next ready to whiplash him with uncouth behavior and caustic tongue. They have not reached the 'Who's afraid of Virginia wolf' stage in their marriage to be so caustic to each other. Have to watch it again. It had me scared of marriage.

The matha tekna and fort giving should have changed her 'Nazariya'. Granted she was ready to be his yet another conquest but a gradual politeness would have been so much fun to watch.
The scene where she asks him to leave is more the writer's fault becuase they could not imagine any better. It would have been so much better if they had used your lines in showing care and concern but not necessarily love or attraction.

The Hawai scene would have been a treat to watch. A slow dance of mutual respect, friendship veiled attraction and finally a love you cannot hide would have been so much fun to watch. Kashhh behtar writers hote.

But i do remember the matrix ur using to analyze the characters. And I also remember getting bored with Jalal too in the later stages when all he did was Begum Jap and the extra sweet Jodha.

Looking forward to your analysis on Jodha Begum's sudden foray into playing politics and Jalal's read on her b4 giving the fort.

Took an extra day off to recover from Thanksgiving Holiday festivities. Back to work tomorrow. Oh! Retirement where r you?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Lavanya my dear,

First of all, thank you for liking this one so much. It is much longer than my 2013 posts for the same episodes - especially for Episode 92, which I have analysed in far greater detail this time around. Then I did not cover some episodes at all, for I did not do all of them - I sometimes left out those I felt were pheeka. It is only now that I plod thru all of them, like kolhu ka bail!

I am glad that you given me credit for the times when I praise this Jodha!😉 If these are not frequent, the fault is not mine. I would have wanted quite a different Jodha - not one who caves in and falls on Jalal's neck, but an intelligent, fair, balanced, and above all sensitive young woman. Which is why I write alternative lines for her from time to time. And the ones I wrote for her here were quite good, if I say so myself.

Lavanya, when you say I AM NOT FULLY CONVINCED ABOUT YOUR GO AND DIE ELSEWHERE LOGIC. HAVING SEEN THAT SCENE MANY TIMES, I DO AGREE THAT THATS EXACTLY WHAT HER DIALOGUES CONVEY, BUT IN MY OPINION WHEN SHE CAME TO MEET JALAL SHE WAS CONCERNED FOR HIM COZ OF THE DANGERS LURKING AND FOLLOWING HIM EVERYWHERE - you are contradicting yourself, or else trying to put thoughts/feelings in Jodha's mind of which there is no indication except in your imagination.

But before I proceed, I must first clarify one point. I do not mean that Jodha told Jalal to go and die somewhere else, ie that she told him to kick the bucket .

What she said amounted to what I had said in this post, viz that
she is not concerned about him, and that her only worry is that nothing should happen to him in Amer, so that her loved ones do not suffer any after effects from his being assassinated there.

This formulation is the only one that can be deduced from what she tells him.This means that IF something were to happen to him, she wants it to be ELSEWHERE, NOT IN AMER.

To revert, I did not include the following as the post was already too long and I was getting very tired. But the real trigger for Jodha going to see Jalal then is not her worry about future dangers to him nor her shock at what had happened to him just now.

If Jodha had wanted to see Jalal for this reason, she would have rushed to his rooms as soon he went back there after the discussions with Bharmal and the rest. Any wife, even if she did not love her husband, would be worried about any possible injury to him in that encounter with the elephant, for after all he was knocked to the ground by Hawai. Jodha does no such thing. She goes there only because of Mainavati 's predictably hyper lament after the incident. This goes as follows:

Jo hua achcha nahin hua. Unmaad bhi hona tha to Shahenshah ka haathi? Kuch samajh mein nahin aa raha hai/1 Use maadak dravya diya hoga. Yeh sab hona hi tha to Sukanya ke vivah ke avsar par? Jodha, tumhin unhein samjhao. Kahin wo krodit ho gaye to baat baut aage tak bad jaayegi!

Bingo! Just as she did after eavesdropping on her Bapusa's fears about a clash between Jalal and Pratap putting paid to Sukanya's wedding, this time too Jodha goes at once to Jalal only to sort out her family's concerns. And the part in bold is, naturally, the leit motif in what she says to Jalal.

Unless you are going to produce a Green Jodha who voices her fears and concern for her patidev, I am not going to accept that nice, exculpatory take of yours!😉 Lavanya, in analysis, you have to stick to the facts, and take them as they are. You cannot twist them to suit your thesis, nor can you attribute feelings to a character for which there is not the slightest proof, either in what she says, nor elsewhere.

Now if Jodha had been shown talking to Sukanya praising Jalal's courage, and worrying about how he was after that rough encounter, I would have accepted what you have said above even if what she said to Jalal later had been unchanged.For that would have proved that your take in blue was justified. Even though she could easily have said something on the lines of what I had suggested instead of such cruel dismissiveness.

But not as things stand. Jodha meant exactly what she said. No ifs and buts about it.

Why else do you think I took the extra trouble to note down all that was said in that scene, and then reproduce it verbatim? So that someone could not say that Jodha had been misquoted or misinterpreted. Of course that did not stop those like you and Saraswathi Akka from saying: Yes, that is what she said but she did not mean it! Just as she did not mean to hurt Jalal (much less, of course, here she made a thorough job of it!) with that comment of hers about Mughalon se raksha!

As an analyst, I am concerned only with what Jodha says, to Jalal, to her family, to Moti even, and what she is shown thinking (which is extremely rare, alas!). I go by that and make my deductions as to her motivations and feelings. I do not imagine anything and then attribute it to her, or to anyone else.

And it is not as though I want to criticise her. I would in fact have been very happy if she could have been someone on the lines I have outlined above. A true Ameri princess and a true begum to the Shahenshah. I would then have praised her lavishly. I still do that, even with this Jodha, whenever she lets me do so!

This apart, I am looking forward to seeing you twist yourself into knots trying to explain why, when Jodha woke up and saw Jalal holding her face in his palm, she immediately accused him of the usual, and rushed out and sat under a tree in that freezing cold!😉😉 I shall not have to wait long to find out, for that must be just a few episodes away! Jalal did quite well when he snubbed her bluntly the next morning.

As for Jalal, he was not a pleasure when he is shown preparing for his Peeping Tom act immediately after that stormy scene with Jodha😡! And worse lay ahead!

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: Sabdabhala

THANKS FOR THE POST, AUNTY

ANOTHER PERFECT ONE, I MUST SAY

I AGREE WITH JAYA AT YOU BRING OUT JODHA'S FAULTS, MISGIVINGS, HARSHNESS AND HOLLOWNESS PERFECTLY. AND I AGREE WITH YOU ALMOST IN ALL INSTANCES. I ALSO AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS WHEREIN YOU HAVE PRAISED JODHA/PARIDHI

EXCEPT THAT, LIKE SARASWATHI AUNTY, I AM NOT FULLY CONVINCED ABOUT YOUR GO AND DIE ELSEWHERE LOGIC. HAVING SEEN THAT SCENE MANY TIMES, I DO AGREE THAT THATS EXACTLY WHAT HER DIALOGUES CONVEY, BUT IN MY OPINION WHEN SHE CAME TO MEET JALAL SHE WAS CONCERNED FOR HIM COZ OF THE DANGERS LURKING AND FOLLOWING HIM EVERYWHERE.

JALAL'S DIALOGUE - KYA AAPKO HAMARI FIKR HONE LAGI HAI - PUTS HER OFF BALANCE IMMEDIATELY AND ON GUARD, AND THEN, PROBABLY, NOT HAVING ANY RETORTS, SHE COMES UP WITH - SUKANYA KE VIVAH KI CHINTA HAI.

JALAL, OF COURSE, WAS A PLEASURE FROM THE START TO FINISH. HIS INDULGENCES TOWARDS THE SAALIS FAUJ ARE A PLEASURE TO WATCH, SPECIALLY WHEN ONE IS TREATED TO SCENES WHERE BOTH PARTIES AND SO GENUINELY FOND OF EACH OTHER

AND LIKE YOU HAVE REPLIED TO SOMEONE'S POST, WHAT A WONDERFUL THING IT WOULD BE FOR US IF JODHA HAD BEEN EVEN A LITTLE BETTER BEHAVED :)

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Posted: 9 years ago
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That, my dear Munni, only increases my admiration for Rajat, and sharpens my concerns that a rare talent like his should not be wasted, but should be used to the full. I hope and pray that it is so.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: munni_rajatfan

Aunty, one more thing during prc rajat wasn't 17 yr old. In 2006 he was 15 nd 2007 when he ended nd also got the best actor award from ITA he was 16.

ok now I can't comment on any other actors but as per rajat goes he had grown as an actor. From PRC to akbar u will find a remarkable improvement in his acting skills. I know he is not perfect nd still there is lots of room for improvement but I'm sure his next performance will be even better.

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My dear Zhanna

Trust you to come up with something original every single time! Of course smart people learn from fools, for negative lessons are just as important, perhaps even more important, than the positive ones. And the world being what it is, the negative lessons are far more freely available!😉

Dissection, Zhanna, is really what it feels like to me, for this time around, I find that I am going into far more depth of details than in 2013/14. I put all that was said in the last Jalal-Jodha scene in verbatim so that I could, firstly, convince myself of the real import of what was said by her, and secondly, so that no one could say that I had misquoted or misinterpreted her.

Not that I like showing her up when she is so negative. That too when it would have been so easy to finesse the situation and yet not be so cruelly hurtful to him.

No, Zhanna, I am afraid neither my posts nor anything their elders might tell them would get the young to behave properly. No one can be corrected either thru reasoning or thru coaxing. They will stay exactly as they are unless they fear punishment, which should be sure, swift and fair,

Shyamala Di

Originally posted by: alffim

Dear Shyamala Di!

I really liked your analysis. Though better, I call it a dissection as in anatomy class by the forensic scientist! I hope that for the young your texts will help not only to understand the film, but also will be taught how to behave correctly.
Though...
We have this joke:
Fools learn from their own mistakes, the smart learn from others mistakes. Do, could it be that the smart learn from fools? 😛

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thank you so much, my dear Sri.You are always so kind and such a morale booster!

As for my detailing all of Jodha's failings, Sri, the thing is that I do not at all like having to do it. I wanted this Jodha to be so different: a proud, intelligent, sensitive, fair and perceptive young woman, and it is for that Jodha of my imagination that I wrote those alternative lines, here and earlier.

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: jayaks02

Remarkably detailed. Superb Style and fluidity.

👏
No one brings the hollowness of JODHA character like you do. 😆
She was absolutely unable to even follow or connect with what Jalal was indicating or telling her throughout this journey or track. For every deep meaning conversations from his side, she returned pompous looks and even more pompous words.
She was so FULL of herself and stayed like that till the end. Consistency is her Virtue. 😆

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No, you wicked girl, I did not!😉 I was already having to take her apart for other things and that was enough! The dance was typical wedding stuff - I was expecting them to start playing Mere haathon mein nau nau choodiyaan hain!😉 - and she is not a Sridevi, but she managed it pretty well. I thought. You of course are a very mischievous w, and you did not disappoint me!😉

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: jayaks02

Akka - Did you cover the dance of Jodha ? I cannot see a reason as to why you missed it. 😆

I am terribly upset with you.
I was thinking you will make some reference to Vyjanthi Mala, Padmini and Waheeda Rehman dances.
Tst Tst Tst . You disappointed me. 😭😆

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Posted: 9 years ago
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That serial was a lot more sophsticated and brilliant and foccused on lead PRC without making him a jhoru ka ghulam like Akbar here or a pagal premi like Salim. It had a balance, no one charcater overshadowed the lead Prithvi Raj Chauhan. That is biggest mistake in JA it concentrates a lot of Jodha's life and how she changed Akbar and forgets Akbar and his other relationships. Its too one sided leaned on the heroine from strating to sustain itself. Whereas in PRC Prithvi's relation with his parents, sister, his childhood friends, his guruji is never side tracked to highlight the Sanyogita- Prithvi love story. That is why the story was a success for 3-4 years apart from the leads brilliant acting.

Now I am going to start watching Prithviraj Chauhan at once! That website you had recommended seems to have all of them till No, 170, and that should last me for quite a while! For how long did Rajat's role continue?

Rajat and Mugdha was there till episode 240 so you will get 75% of their part

I had watched it many years back - rajat was may be 14-15 years when the serial started in 2005(as he was born in 1991) and mughda was 17 years then. The elder Prithvi and sanyogita had no charisma to sustain neither their acting was on par with rajat and mughda. Rajat has improved a lot since PRC to Akbar role.

How i wished that JA had concentrated on Jodha and Akbar instead of Jodha and Jodha's Akbar. How i wish they had shown Akbar as a son, Akbar as a husband to Jodha, Akbar as an emperor, Akbar as a warrior, Akbar as a benevolant ruler who made decisions based on his own experience rather than being directed by Jodha always as would be the case, how i wish Akbars navratna's were given some credit, how i wish they had developed Akbar and Salim's relation better wthout just jumping to punishing and hatred etc. How i wish Akbar's realtion with Ruqaiah was shown seperate of Jodha's without making Ruqaiah a villain in their love story, how i wish Salima and his relationship was shown better or with Rahims later. If that had happened the serial would still be running successfully.

Oh, my dear Prem, that would have been heavenly, but it would not have been an Ekta Kapoor production! Jokes apart, I myself was quite carried away by your enthusiastic and very intelligent list of Ifs!

If you watch PRC that is one major change from JA, because you will love Prithvis relation with his sister Pratha no over the top potrayals like JA, Prithvi's relation with his friends also get a lot of space and so does Prithvi and the gurukul and only then Prithvi and sanyogitas love story. Its not one dimension track its multi dimension that is why its a treat to watch

Maham's incendiary quid pro quo:

I am surprised that Akbar came to amer only with jodha and not his other rajputh begums(wives). Ok mughal begums do not want to come fine but what of his rajputh begums surely by now he has married one or two more rajputh wives so why not get them along. I would love to see how jodha interacted with Akbars rajputh begums. Maham's tit for tat was expected by surpise jodha was offended.

So would I have liked to see that, but were there some other Rajput wives of Jalal's there already by this time? When was the marriage with Rukmavati?

Akbar married his next Rajputh wife within a year of marrying jodha so no real harm in showing it after a few episodes. He married some Princess of Jaisalmer or Jodhpur(cannot remember name) within 6 months after marrying jodha. Rukmavati was one of his youngest wife. Rukmavati was married to Akbar in 1581-82 when Akbar was almost 40 years old and she must be 14-15 years. Her significance lies in that she is younger sister of Phool Kunwar(wife of Maharana Pratap) and her neice Jodha Bai(Jehangirs wife) was mother of Shah Jahan(Khurram). Salim was quiet close to this step mother of his and he gave preference to Marwar over amer as an emperor in his dealings(as Man Singh sided with Khusrau may be) and Shah Jahan's first Rajputh wife is again a princess of marwar. Not only that Rukmavati was one of Akbars top ten wives and was incharge of many things in mughal empire(like building gardens etc), Jodha Bai was the chief consort of Jehangir(till Nur Jahan married) and mother of next emperor Shah Jahan. So marwar princesses were highly influential. I wish hence they had shown a few rajputh ptrincesses who married Akbar and their relation with jodha etc in serial


Jalal and Hawai

Adham Khan was very funny with a tiny red clothe he managaed to get hawai to jalal. Anyways Adham has no clue about pets because anyone with pets can vouch for one fact - a pet is always loyal to his master and shall never harm his master without provocation. Hawai may be drugged but he shall never trample Akbar like he trampled the soldiers that is the loyalty pact between a pet and his master. Both Akbar by running to save Hawai and Hawai by not harming Akbar proved how much they love each other, that this bond shall not break no matter what provocation from both sides. Atleast Akbar has one relation that does not depend on his benefitting them and that is Hawai.

Absolutely. But Adham has no brains at all, so this is not surprising!

The writer never had pets i guess hence no idea how pets behave.


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My dear Prem,

I am now more enthusiastic and determined than ever to watch Prithviraj Chauhan . It is a pity that having had that as a model, the Jodha Akbar team could not envisage and produce a more balanced and rounded show.

As for showing Jalal's other Rajput wives, they obviously avoided that because they wanted to give the impression that he did not marry anyone else after Jodha, and uske mohabbat mein Shahenshah ek patni vrat ho gaye! 😉It was only after the leap, with a grown up Salim, that you suddenly saw all these girls born of different wives and concubines!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: myviewprem


That serial was a lot more sophsticated and brilliant and foccused on lead PRC without making him a jhoru ka ghulam like Akbar here or a pagal premi like Salim. It had a balance, no one charcater overshadowed the lead Prithvi Raj Chauhan. That is biggest mistake in JA it concentrates a lot of Jodha's life and how she changed Akbar and forgets Akbar and his other relationships. Its too one sided leaned on the heroine from strating to sustain itself. Whereas in PRC Prithvi's relation with his parents, sister, his childhood friends, his guruji is never side tracked to highlight the Sanyogita- Prithvi love story. That is why the story was a success for 3-4 years apart from the leads brilliant acting.

Now I am going to start watching Prithviraj Chauhan at once! That website you had recommended seems to have all of them till No, 170, and that should last me for quite a while! For how long did Rajat's role continue?

Rajat and Mugdha was there till episode 240 so you will get 75% of their part

I had watched it many years back - rajat was may be 14-15 years when the serial started in 2005(as he was born in 1991) and mughda was 17 years then. The elder Prithvi and sanyogita had no charisma to sustain neither their acting was on par with rajat and mughda. Rajat has improved a lot since PRC to Akbar role.

How i wished that JA had concentrated on Jodha and Akbar instead of Jodha and Jodha's Akbar. How i wish they had shown Akbar as a son, Akbar as a husband to Jodha, Akbar as an emperor, Akbar as a warrior, Akbar as a benevolant ruler who made decisions based on his own experience rather than being directed by Jodha always as would be the case, how i wish Akbars navratna's were given some credit, how i wish they had developed Akbar and Salim's relation better wthout just jumping to punishing and hatred etc. How i wish Akbar's realtion with Ruqaiah was shown seperate of Jodha's without making Ruqaiah a villain in their love story, how i wish Salima and his relationship was shown better or with Rahims later. If that had happened the serial would still be running successfully.

Oh, my dear Prem, that would have been heavenly, but it would not have been an Ekta Kapoor production! Jokes apart, I myself was quite carried away by your enthusiastic and very intelligent list of Ifs!

If you watch PRC that is one major change from JA, because you will love Prithvis relation with his sister Pratha no over the top potrayals like JA, Prithvi's relation with his friends also get a lot of space and so does Prithvi and the gurukul and only then Prithvi and sanyogitas love story. Its not one dimension track its multi dimension that is why its a treat to watch

Maham's incendiary quid pro quo:

I am surprised that Akbar came to amer only with jodha and not his other rajputh begums(wives). Ok mughal begums do not want to come fine but what of his rajputh begums surely by now he has married one or two more rajputh wives so why not get them along. I would love to see how jodha interacted with Akbars rajputh begums. Maham's tit for tat was expected by surpise jodha was offended.

So would I have liked to see that, but were there some other Rajput wives of Jalal's there already by this time? When was the marriage with Rukmavati?

Akbar married his next Rajputh wife within a year of marrying jodha so no real harm in showing it after a few episodes. He married some Princess of Jaisalmer or Jodhpur(cannot remember name) within 6 months after marrying jodha. Rukmavati was one of his youngest wife. Rukmavati was married to Akbar in 1581-82 when Akbar was almost 40 years old and she must be 14-15 years. Her significance lies in that she is younger sister of Phool Kunwar(wife of Maharana Pratap) and her neice Jodha Bai(Jehangirs wife) was mother of Shah Jahan(Khurram). Salim was quiet close to this step mother of his and he gave preference to Marwar over amer as an emperor in his dealings(as Man Singh sided with Khusrau may be) and Shah Jahan's first Rajputh wife is again a princess of marwar. Not only that Rukmavati was one of Akbars top ten wives and was incharge of many things in mughal empire(like building gardens etc), Jodha Bai was the chief consort of Jehangir(till Nur Jahan married) and mother of next emperor Shah Jahan. So marwar princesses were highly influential. I wish hence they had shown a few rajputh ptrincesses who married Akbar and their relation with jodha etc in serial


Jalal and Hawai

Adham Khan was very funny with a tiny red clothe he managaed to get hawai to jalal. Anyways Adham has no clue about pets because anyone with pets can vouch for one fact - a pet is always loyal to his master and shall never harm his master without provocation. Hawai may be drugged but he shall never trample Akbar like he trampled the soldiers that is the loyalty pact between a pet and his master. Both Akbar by running to save Hawai and Hawai by not harming Akbar proved how much they love each other, that this bond shall not break no matter what provocation from both sides. Atleast Akbar has one relation that does not depend on his benefitting them and that is Hawai.

Absolutely. But Adham has no brains at all, so this is not surprising!

The writer never had pets i guess hence no idea how pets behave.


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Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Zhanna

Trust you to come up with something original every single time! Of course smart people learn from fools, for negative lessons are just as important, perhaps even more important, than the positive ones. And the world being what it is, the negative lessons are far more freely available!😉

Dissection, Zhanna, is really what it feels like to me, for this time around, I find that I am going into far more depth of details than in 2013/14. I put all that was said in the last Jalal-Jodha scene in verbatim so that I could, firstly, convince myself of the real import of what was said by her, and secondly, so that no one could say that I had misquoted or misinterpreted her.

Not that I like showing her up when she is so negative. That too when it would have been so easy to finesse the situation and yet not be so cruelly hurtful to him.

No, Zhanna, I am afraid neither my posts nor anything their elders might tell them would get the young to behave properly. No one can be corrected either thru reasoning or thru coaxing. They will stay exactly as they are unless they fear punishment, which should be sure, swift and fair,

Shyamala Di


Dear Shyamala Di!
You are right. Everyone should have the right to ruin one's lives ...😃 But I'm really hoping that your thoughts the conclusions will help many. Regardless of the age.
When my daughter was born, I realized that she was already formed character and all that I can to try to make for her, if not to love then she is to understand my favourite movies, books, music. Something turned out, but, of course, we are different. I like Dickens, she - Thackeray. I like Galsworthy, she - postmodernists... 😛 But Bach, Vivaldi, Schomberg - we are together. When I gave her "Doors" at the age of 12, her teacher was shocked.
It's an inscription: "do Not nurture children, they will like you. Educate yourself".

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My poor dear Akka,

You are welcome, but what a trial I am for you all the time! Well, here is a nice, round Lindt chocoball - sea salt with a caramel centre - to soothe the burning sensation from biting that chilli, or rather reading my take on Episode 92! Roll it on your tongue. There, does it feel better? 🤗

I am by now a tad concerned, for I have only a small stock of these chocoballs, and seeing what my takes on Jodha during the snowstorm, when they get back to Agra, and again during her false pregnancy, are going to be like, you are going to need a lot of them!😉😉

And I am heartbroken that you missed my Vasishtar vaayaale Brahmarishi bit totally!😭 And here I was thinking that it would appeal to you particularly, as you must be familiar with that saying!

I have put my comments in, as usual, blue.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: karkuzhali


Dear Shyamala,

Thank you for the treat!
But I bit a chillie, while I was partaking of the food.

My comments are in red as usual.

Saraswathi.

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago

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