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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Coolpree

Aha!!! Episode 77, 😳. Let me jump right in without further ado. I said to you earlier, I was starting to fall in love with Jalal again. Well this episode sealed the deal for me. All was forgiven for the time being.

First of all I loved the way he "showed Jodha the mirror" as you have stated. It was time for a badly needed reality check for her.

Secondly the magnificent sight of these two very good looking leads riding on the horse together earned a big UFFF! from me . I kept thinking to myself..good grief girl! How on earth are you resisting the charms of this handsome hunk sitting right next to you? Rajat looked like a natural on horseback.

You will be shocked to know however, that the horse riding scene was not my favorite scene..( I know right? 😆). It was in fact the soul stirring interaction between Jalal and Maham, and his interplay with a strand of her hair. I absolutely loved..loved...loved him here. He has summarized her desperate situation perfectly. We also got a glimpse of his sasd, troubled and lonely life despite being surrounded by a huge family and harem.
In the end it took her " soul mate " to understand the hurt, despair and humiliation that Jodha is going through. A big hug to Jalal for this 🤗.

I have of course predictably 😉 maintained that Jodha has been put under extreme duress after her marriage to Jalal. She has cracked under pressure and has behaved atrociously sometimes. But so has Jalal. As a women , I cannot help but empathize with her situation. I cringed during the DEK scene between Maina, Jalal and Jodha. What a horrible situation for a woman whether in the 16th or 21st century to be in 😭.

You asked Jodha what she has done to make this marriage work? I am going to ask the same of Jalal. Ever since he married her he has taunted her, conspired with another wife in ways on how to humiliate her, and then of course sentenced her and her brothers in open court for a crime she never committed. When he realizes his mistake, he makes no effort to work towards reconciliation but instead takes the easy way out for himself by magnanimously offering to divorce her...so yet again its Jodha who is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Both Jalal and Jodha are equally responsible for the sorry state of their marriage up to this point. It is of course a different matter that while Jalal later on does so much to make their marriage work, Jodha stays stuck in the ghrina mode for far too long. But lets not crucify Jodha at this point for sins she has not yet committed.

Shyamala, I didn't understand your comment about Jodha and the Maharana of Mewar. Is there any information to suggest that Jodha would have been worse off married to a Rajput King rather than a Mughal? The subservience of a 16th century woman to her husband was uniform across all cultures ( in India atleast) was it not? I think perhaps we can say with confidence that Jodha would not dare speak to " Real Jalal" like she speaks to "Reel Jalal".
Thank you for your post Shyamala. They are always thought provoking and I find myself drawn into the discussions despite the fact that I am not watching the show. That is of course primarily due to the power of your pen 😊


As an intellectual exercise it is such fun to read conflicting points of view. There is Shyamala's viewpoint and then there is yours. Logic in both is solid.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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awesome epi on the way. the scan was heart wrenching when maina refuse to take back jo its a biggest shock for child when they don't get parents support but Maina was right at her place in that time women loose the respect and the whole purpose of this aliens failed and with this she saw mirror to jodha to change her thinking. we can see jalal's feeling towards jo in this scan and after sue side attempt also.like the convo between jalal and maham.
thanks for pms.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Another fantastic post. I hope by this stage you are using mostly old material. No need to stress your hands to type new thoughts unless they challenge a viewpoint previously held.
So here goes-
1 Mainawati told some hard truths to Jodha about marriage and why a return trip to Amer was out of the question. She left out just one critical thing, suicide. If marriage to Jalal and saving Amer was 'a duty' to Jodha, then staying alive was a duty too. If Jodha died then the "great sacrifice of marriage to that Jallad Jalal" was in vain. So 'coming back to Amer' is not allowed and suicide is also not permissible.

2 I have already written in a previous thread of yours that the Mughal Jodha alter ego was refreshingly honest, more so than at any time in the serial. But of course that is unpalatable to the real Jodha because it contradicts one of the core beliefs of hers, Mughals are bad, Jalal is terrible, there is no hope for redemption.

3 I thoroughly enjoyed reading your description of the Diwan e Khaas scene and especially Jalal's reaction to Mainawati's refusal. I also agreed with the logic that Mainawati's words about Mughals would not have mattered a whit to Jalal. Previously I had the same opinion as Myviewprem.

The suicide attempt and the aftermath deserve more thinking on my part. I will come back later.




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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thank you, my dear Sri!

I knew you would like it if you read it, just as I knew what Preeti or Devki would say if they wrote something on this thread. And you just have to see the Likes below one post or the other to classify likely future responses!😉 After a while, the surprise element is completely lost, like a parliamentary debate where all concerned toe the Party line!😉

I switch back and forth - I have wanted to kick Jalal soundly with hobnailed boots, as I noted after the Holi fiasco - but mostly, Jodha, with her rock hard self-righteousness and her mahaanta, gets on my nerves big time, and that shows. The difference between me and most others is that I can cite facts to back up almost everything I say.

In the one other forum where I wrote analyses for 8 months, the Pavitra Rishta one, those siding with the girl and with the boy were pretty much evenly matched. Here, the Jodha-philes outnumber the Jalal-philes about 80:20. You should have seen the forum during the original telecasts! But there were also a number of good writers who were not fans - Vicki, Meghana, Lashy, Mansi - and it was fun to read them. My old threads were also full of very lively debates. These ones are mere pale shadows, like ghosts in a cemetery.

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: jayaks02



Loved the response you have given to coolpree. 😆



Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Preeti,

As regards the Matters of the Heart scene between Maham and Jalal, you would have seen that I have devoted far more space and detailing to it than to The Ride, which after all stood out only because it was so unusual between this pair. I have seen far handsomer jodis, and Jodha did not look all that good during that ride, while Jalal was so so. But then I am not a romantic at all! The Maham-Jalal scene was a revelation as far as our understanding of Jalal goes.

I find Jalal a far more interesting, complex, and compelling character than Jodha, and then Rajat is a far better actor. Jalal might be bull-headed, vindictive when in a rage (though his sadism during the dature ka ark affair had roots that were exclusive to Jodha), and with a short fuse, but he is generous, perceptive, and sensitive in a way in which Jodha, who is mahaan and self-righteous to a fault, can never be.

Does she ever apologise for almost killing him, or even for the abysmal, crass folly she displays during the snake in the tent incident? (Where, by the way, she displays a mind that resembles nothing so much as that of a drains inspector, as Gandhiji said of Katharine Mayo. Freud would have had an interesting explanation for the way in which Jodha is fixated on his husband's supposed carnal desires. She would have been well served if he has lived up to her billing of him!)

No, she does not, nor does she give Jalal any credit for his open court apology.

In fact, I cannot imagine any Rajput princess of that era behaving the way Jodha does with Jalal, and getting away with it unscathed. My reference to Maharana Udai Singh was not to say that Rajput husbands were harsher than Jalal, but only to point out that the Maharana was far more authentic a royal husband of that age than this doormat of a Jalal. As Maharana Pratap, the serial, is a far more authentic portrayal of royal mores, upbringing and behaviour of that period, which is the same as that of Jodha Akbar than this travesty of a historical.

As for what Jalal became as we move on, while you might commend him, he used to set my teeth on edge for being so limp and non-assertive, far more than even Jodha at her worst. Running after this woman (who never gives a thought to what her hole in the corner behaviour with her Sujamal Bhaisa would have looked like to any detached observer, not to speak of an imperial husband!) all the way across India, then letting her walk all over him when he catches up with her in Mathura. And finally, once she condescends to return to Agra after living all this time very comfortably in Amer - where she is never shown missing him in the least, and where she does not flinch, or have a word of caring, even when she sees Jalal wounded and in great pain - he invites her to whip him. Ugh!

Which is why I quit analysing this show, and good riddance too!

Let me see how long I stick it out this time around. It is very sweet of you to say that you enjoy my posts, but it is not always that I enjoy writing them as much, though you might not be able to make that out from their inordinate length!😉

Shyamala




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Posted: 9 years ago
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Dear Shyamala,
Thank you for your beautiful analysis of the episodes, giving a psychological interpretation to all the characters involved.
I have a doubt, not about your write up, but about the reason why some reserve the space for their comments with a "res" immediately after your post is received, but record their comments sometime later after "unressing"!
As usual, I have tried to convey my thoughts in red.

Saraswathi.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

The title comes from the two strands****** of the narrative in this triptych, one of which, centred on Mainavati's lecture to Jodha in the Diwan-e-Khas, brought some clarity: to Jodha as regards her situation, and to Jalal as well, that sending the Amer ki mirchi back to Amer was not going to be as simple as he had thought, especially for him. The other strand led thru Jodha's attempted suicide and its aftermath, and left them both, and Jalal in particular, confused as to their feelings, both per se and of each towards the other. Their forthcoming joint pilgrimage to Ajmer Sharif, which neither wanted, was an added complication.

****** What a coincidence! Jalal also is pondering about the events with the two strands of Jodha's hair entwining around his finger!

I am fully aware that to Preeti, and a whole lot of others, nothing matters but that splendid ride back together😉, but there are other things besides that, so let us plough thru them, beginning with episode 76.

Episode 76: Realism at long last

Our favourite melodrama was seriously dramatic here . I do not propose to recount the happenings except as reference points, but rather to set out a few reflections on what these goings on mean - on the surface and on the subterranean plane - and about how they lead to my title.

Mainavati: I always knew this was what she would say, and she is brutally frank about it - Tumhare man mein yeh ichcha aayee bhi to kaise?... Pati patni ke beech anban hoti hai, par uska yeh arth nahin ki tum apne maike laut jao. Tumhein apne pati ko samajhne ki aavashyakta hai, unhein badalen ki aavashyakta hai (here comes the dratted haivaan se insaan mantra again!). Har sawaal ka hal hota hai, Jodha, aur tumhein wo hal dhoodna hoga. .. And then the clincher. Jab beti parityakta ke roop mein wapas aaye, to hum wo rah bandh kar dete hain.

What Mainavati tells Jodha in the court are her real reasons, not the sugar coating she puts on it while talking later to Hamida Banu. And who shall blame her? That is the code by which a Rajput girl in that era was taught to live, and this all the more so when she was a princess, and now a queen. Frankly, I was very skeptical when Jodha was assuring Jalal that despite the disgrace they would face, her parents would take her back and try their best to keep her happy. It sounded remarkably like someone whistling in the dark to keep her spirits up and fear at bay.

There was speculation in the forum, in 2013, that her family would feel morally bound to take her back as they had emotionally blackmailed her into this marriage. This was missing the whole point: that it was, in their code, Jodha's duty to obey her parents and make this sacrifice willingly. In the normal course, she would never have been asked, only told to do it.

Over and above all this, I was very pleased when someone, and it was perfect that this someone was her own shocked and embarrassed mother, informed Jodha bluntly that, as my favourite Vicki (Morons ki Mallika) put it back in 2013, Marriage is not a joke, and it is not a boxing rink either . Marriages are not sliding and revolving doors that you can walk in and walk out of at your whim and fancy. Which is why she asks Jodha: Did you actually work at all on this marriage?

Anachronistic script: The fact is that the CVs' treatment of the pre-marriage shenanigans by Jodha was very unrealistic for that age, and seemed like a concession to modern feminist sentiment more than anything else. It was the same as regards what followed the marriage, in terms of Jodha's endless, acidulated confrontations with her patidev. If she had uttered a fraction of the things she tells Jalal to Maharana Udai Singh of Mewar, for example, she would have been jailed and/or banished. The patnidharma for Maharanis those days was crystal clear - they had to obey their royal spouses unquestioningly in all things - and the Maasas would have drilled their daughters in it from the time they were 3.

Shyamala, I read your reply to Preeti about this. But what is the use of harping the same "..if only...!"again and again when such a situation never happened. Who knows? Jodha and Pratap would have made an ideal couple since their ideologies were the same. Jodha's hatred against Jalal is inborn in her. According to her,the moghuls were foreigners who invaded their territories and usurped their power. She conveys this even to Jalal when she speaks about Pritviraj Chauhan. She is not able to get over this feeling for a very long tome, until she started observing some good qualities of Jalal only at a very very later date.

Strangely, though Jalal only knew about Jodha's beauty and hoshiyari from a third person, he created an opportunity to venture into Amer to see her in person. So also Jodha heard about his cruelties and formed an opinion about him. But she did not get any such chance to know about him even after coming to Agra.And all the events that took place till now only added fuel to the fire.

Now, at long last, like two slightly oblique lines intersecting far down their length, a dose of realism has come to Jodha Akbar, whence the title for this episode. Never fear, it is not going to make things more logical or sensible! This is merely a reasonably plausible plot device to justify the suicide attempt, and once that is past, we will revert to the earlier pattern of a 21st century female plonked into Jalal's harem as a reluctant spouse.

In 2013, I was mildly pleased with the success of my prediction that a refusal letter from Bharmal to Jalal might be the trigger for Jodha opting for a watery grave a la Ophelia, but of course far more turbulently, as is her wont. Instead of Bharmal, it was Mainavati, but the principle was the same!

Jodha: A one track mind:I am not about to explore the ethics of suicide or suicide attempts, or to anguish over Jodha in her misery, for there are others enough to do that. Besides, the CVs have, for once, got it right. They have built the walls of the cul de sac high enough and narrow enough so that Jodha cannot even breathe.

For hers is a one track mind, and the track so far has been that she has the worst husband in the whole world. So she lashes out at him time and again, like a furious kitten out to draw blood. She was never one for introspection re: her own actions and their repercussions, in a purely practical fashion, about whether a shift in her ways of thinking might help her. The escapism of suicide is the inevitable result of such a state of mind.

So I was not in the least surprised by Jodha's despairing tears once she is back from the Diwan-e-Khas session, and her boiler plate accusations against the Shahenshah. She has so far never made the slightest commitment to this marriage, and one does not expect the public prosecutor- which is her self-assigned role - to suddenly start looking at things from the POV of counsel for the defence. No, there was nothing new there.

Still, some of what the Yellow Jodha says, in her first response to the Green Jodha, was interesting. Na humein Amer ka chhoda na humein Agra mein apnaya. So all that Hamida and Salima have done to make her feel at home in Agra counts for nothing; all that matters to apni Jodha is that Jalal ne use Agra mein nahin apnaya. Of course she does not spare a thought for whether she had accepted him!

How? She has accepted him as her Pati when she followed the rituals and repeated the vachans at the time of their wedding. But her expectations of and from a husband are different from the actual portrayal of Jalal . Everyone seems to say that Jalal gave her permission to follow her religion and never interfered with her pooja rituals. But what was the circumstance under which he agreed for this? He took his marriage as a challenge and was prepared to go to any extent to subdue her. Remember his mentioning to MA, "...this is just another wedding. She may enjoy the comforts like any other Begum, but she has to be always at my beck and call..."And he started to follow this in the first instance by summoning her to the tent to sing before his officials.

Again his behaviour in the celebration of the jishn and the aftermath made the relationship even worse. He dragged her to the centre of the Hall and asked her to sing. What would be the new bride's reaction when his another begum threatens her by saying that once Jalal had physical relationship with her he will discard her.And when the same statement is made emphatically by MA with twitches and an ugly grin on her face .?

What did Jalal do to better their relationship? Just because he also hated her, he never tried to settle for peace.


Then the accusations that he did not live up to his vachans, ki wo humein prasanna rakhenge, hamare vishwas karenge, hamara sammaan karenge. It is clearly Jalal's lack of vishwas in her during the dature ka ark affair that rankles the most. Whence her outburst to him then: Humne bar bar saugandh khayi ki hum nirdosh hain, humne kuchch nahin kiya, par aapne hamari ek nahi suni. Ab Ruqaiya Begum ne kaha ki koyi aur gunehgar hai aur aap maan gaye?


The Green Jodha: A refreshing alter ego: To revert, what was new was the blanket condemnation of her whole approach to Jalal by her alter ego, the Green Jodha (neat and telling choice of colour; remember Jalal's Humein hara rang khaas pasand hai. Use pehene rahiye).

I do not understand the significance of the green colour. In fact his other begums are not shown wearing green dresses always. Or is it anything special if Jodha wears it, as he had commented to Sukanya during her wedding.😆

It was as brutally frank as what Mainavati had said in the court : Prarambh tumne kiya! Tum ghrina lekar aayi thi apne man mein. Tumne kabhi unhein nahin apnaya.Unhon ne tumhari har baat maani - and here she covers even the latest permission to celebrate Holi - phir bhi tum Shahenshah ke baare mein aise sochti ho? Phir to tumhein sach mein yahan rehne ka koyi adhikar nahin hai! .. Then the most telling and pointed jibe of all: Baar baar vidroh karke apn aapko aur doosron ko dukhi karna bandh karo, aur Amer laut jao!

But the Yellow Jodha's idea of a tolerable life in Agra is to carry on as before, boycotting Jalal and any overtures he might make, overlooking anything positive he might do, and making sarcastic remarks to him whenever the opportunity, public or private, presented itself, while basking in lovefests with his Ammijaan. Whence her current complaint that Shahenshah chahte hain ki hum Agra chhod dein, which is far from the truth.

When Jalal offered her his 2 choices, he pulled the plug on this convenient scenario from the Agra end. Now her Maasa has done the same from the Amer end. It was only to be expected that Jodha would outdo Niobe in the tears department.

Crisis & course correction: The point to be kept in mind is that so far, Jodha has been presented only as the spunky, independent Rajputani standing up to an oppressive and unfair husband. Now this is not really correct, for she had brought a lot of negatives to this relationship, beginning with her eternal ghrina mantra, plus she never tried, honestly, to make it work.

As even my very dear Vicki, who loved Jodha dearly, wrote eloquently back in 2013:

"Aaina mujhse meri pehli si soorat maange,

Mere apne meri hone ki nishaani maange."

Well, sometimes, you just have to see the mirror. Or even if you don't want to see it , the people standing in the mirror shove some harsh home truths right down your throat - even if you are unwilling to see them or hear them. Mirrors that tell you that wherever you are today may be fate's decision, but what you have made out of it is entirely your handiwork.

Jodha's fault has not been her pride and prejudice, if you come to think of it. Her fault has been expectation of rights without putting responsibility and duty adjacent to them. I mean, today, when she talks about being abandoned by Jalal or not being wanted by him... you recall that child in a candyshop who wanted all the candies but did not know that he had to pay for them." No one else could have put it better!

Jodha wanted the status quo to continue till the end of her days. But if this were to happen, firstly, we would, one by one, drop out of sheer fatigue at the endless and meaningless fights between them, and secondly, why would Jalal, or any husband for that matter, put up with such a state of affairs from which he gets nothing except periodic dressings down from his own wife, including in public? And in the 16th century at that!

So, there has to a course correction, and for this to happen, two things are essential.

One, a reassessment by Jodha, the first ever, of where she has gone wrong, whence the Green Jodha, so that it is not an outsider, but a part of herself who holds a mirror up to the Yellow Jodha. The latter has not yet used that to work out a sensible way out of her present predicament, but still this will have its uses when the time for that comes.

Two, a crisis situation which drastically rearranges the outlook of each towards the other. Whence the pool dunking to begin with, and then Mohan in the offing. Cinematic, true, but always effective!

Unexpected, ruthless logic: Whence the unexpected clarity and ruthless logic of the Green Jodha, which took me by surprise. And since she was only a partial manifestation of Jodha's inner voice, we arrive at the momentous discovery that Jodha had been feeling all this, at some subterranean level, of late, but suppressing these inconvenient truths and clinging for dear life to the Yellow Jodha.

So we accept that she has the realisation of some soft feeling towards Jalal!

I had, during these early parts of Jodha Akbar, been wondering about the total absence of scenes showing Jodha talking to herself, which would have given us clues about the inner workings of her mind. Here, we got it in spades, and with a solid dash of realism too!

So there is hope for our Amer ki Mirchi yet, and though her sudden embrace of Varunadev might seem OTT, it was really the best thing she could have done at this stage in terms of clearing the air with Jalal, preparatory for a fresh beginning en route to Mohan. It would also have been useful in giving him a salutary fright!

Plus, as the heroine, she could not have died in any case, this not being Romeo-Juliet or Heer-Ranjha! Come to think of it, it must be hard for a swimmer like Jodha - remember her rescue of Rahim? - to die by drowning. A swimmer's body fights on its own, using familiar techinques, to survive

Incidentally, Jodha sets a sizzling pace to the pool, probably she has had a lot of practice in 400 metre dashes to save oppressed pigeons!😉

Jalal: Blindsided: Jalal was clearly taken aback by Mainavati's public refusal to take Jodha back. He responds unapologetically to her initial references to the nazarband of her sons ( please note that she does not include Jodha in this, for in Mainavati's eyes, Jodha no longer belongs to Amer, but to Agra and to Jalal), and is almost blunt in what he has to say about Jodha: Agar gunahon ki tehreez (? Putija, please come to my rescue!) na hi khole jai to behatar hoga! Then the clincher: Amer ke shehzaadon ko nazarqaid karna ek Shahenshah ka farz tha, aur Jodha Begum ko wapas Amer bhejna ek shauhar ka farz hai. Aur wo khudh wahan par wapas jaana chahti hain.

But Mainavati's appeal to him, with folded hands, not to send Jodha back to Amer, is acutely embarrassing, and he at a loss how to react, till Jodha rescues him from his dilemma. Then, he is again at a loss, this time about what to do with Jodha.

Instinctive protectiveness: At the very end of the darbar scene, after his parting salutation to Mainavati, Jalal looks across at Jodha, who is wiping her tears. His expression is no longer angry, or even upset. It is puzzled and worried, with a tinge of sadness. His reaction is part instinctive sensitivity and part a kind of helpless protectiveness , even if he could not do anything to ease things for her. Perhaps, if she could only read his face, Jodha would have realized that the husband she detests does feel for her. But given her general attitude and her state of mind then, if he had gone to her, she would have rebuffed him brutally, so the pool it had to be.

Lurking fear: Later, once again blindsided by the news of Jodha's disappearance, Jalal reacts at two levels. On the surface, he is bound to stick to the Mughal sultanat ki shaan ko barkarar rakhna routine, and so he does. Inside, especially after Ruqaiya fulfills her sole purpose in that scene - that of bringing up the suicide theory - he is really frightened, for this is a situation he had not anticipated.

But still, it is characteristic of the man that he will not panic, but is doubly determined to salvage the situation by finding Jodha and bringing her back. Use hamare saath nahin jeena hai to teekh hai, par Mughal sultanat ki izzat ki khatir hum use marne nahin denge. Hum use dhoond kar layenge! Why finding her is so important to him is another matter, but he has this ready explanation for public consumption!

Welcome realism: I found all of the above refreshingly realistic. Firstly, contrary to the conviction of the romantics here, Jalal was quite ready to let Jodha go back to Amer. This was only natural; an emperor does not beg to be cared for by a wife who constantly proclaims how much she detests him. There is something about her that pulls him, like a hidden magnet, and this has been so since the time he ventured on that risky trip to the heart of Amer just to catch a glimpse of her. But that does not mean that he cannot master that longing, or the desire to make her care for him.

Secondly, while he tells himself, and others, that he will not let her die so that the pride of the Mughals will not be besmirched, the fear that lurks behind the determination in his eyes in the last shot tells its own tale. Rajat was tops in that frame.

Mainavati- Jalal: The angle of vision : In 2013, myviewprem had protested strongly against what he saw as Mainavati insulting the Shahenshah by telling Jodha that her father had had to make great sacrifices and endure deep disgrace because of this marriage, that he had been ostracized by the rest of the Rajputs, and that it was becoming almost impossible to find husbands for Sukanya and Shivani because of the Jalal-Jodha marriage. He had pointed out, correctly, that it was not Jalal who had sought the marriage from Bharmal, it was the other way around (he had of course conned Jodha's Bapusa into doing that, but that is siyaasat!)

I beg to differ. This sort of thing is like a kaleidoscope, what you see depends on the angle of vision.

Firstly, even granting all that myviewprem has said, it still makes no difference to Jalal. In fact he would hardly let on that he had noticed these remarks and taken them as jibes directed at himself; it would have been beneath him to retort to any of them. He would have been very ill-advised to have done anything like that.

It would be the same with the rest of the court, whose POV would be exactly like that of Adham Khan when he was jibing at Mansingh and Bhagwan Das. Something like: Beti dekar Amer to bacha liya inhon ne, besharam kahin ke, aur ab dekho kya rona dhona apni baddimaag ladki ki vajah se!

One has to understand the mechanics of the scene and the situation. Jalal silences Mynavati on both the points on which she addresses him, regarding her sons and Jodha's failings, and she has in the end to beg him with folded hands not to send Jodha back to Amer. So, who do you think came out on top?

Lastly, I do not think that Mainavati meant all that she said as jibes at Jalal, for after all she wants to leave her daughter there, and it would hardly be advisable for her to anger the son in law-cum-emperor. I think she just got carried away in her litany of woes to make sure her daughter understood the seriousness of the matter.

The rest: They don't count. But I loved the indiarubber fashion in which Javeda bounces back, unfazed, after each encounter of the close kind with her thug of a husband. Some female, this!

Question for the day: Why on earth were the personal affairs of the Shahenshah - he himself says sending Jodha back to Agra was his duty as a shauhar, so there was nothing either siyasati or riyasati about it - up for discussion in the Diwan-e-Khas, which is meant only for high political affairs of state? It was ludicrous, like a circus.

Exactly!

Oh well, I suppose it is the 16th century imperial equivalent of the catechism scene of the heroine in a regular soap, with the whole family - husband, wife, kids, in laws, siblings of both genders and their kids, plus of course the family matriarch - all lined up on sofas in the living room of the mansion (which expands, like something under Hermione Granger's Undetectable Extension Charm, to contain this whole horde😉)!

Point of the day: I distinctly remember Jodha her glaring at her Kanha with unaccustomed hostility, at the end of her behas with the Green Jodha and the Maroon Jodha, and asking him a question that sounded decidedly cutting. That was probably why she did not lug him along to the pool, for otherwise, she is always shown with her Kanha, like Jalal with his shamsheer!😉

Now on to Episode 77; the forest pool awaits us!

Episode 77: Beloved enemy

I am sure that even with a re-run, most of you - where are you, Preeti?😉 - are still in a romantic daze over the joint ride back to the Agra fort! I hope that the roseate mists have lifted by now, and that all concerned have come back to terra firma, so here goes.

The title might seem a tad premature as far as the beloved part goes, for the CVs have brought our self-crossed (not star-crossed, for as Shakespeare puts it, The fault, dear Brutus , in not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings ) lovers back into bickering mode, especially Jodha. But it sounds so appealing, and so I sacrificed accuracy for catchiness!

The pre-pool doings - Jalal: I liked the way Jalal snarled at Moti & Co. for leaving their mistress alone ( they could hardly have flouted her explicit command to that effect, but a man in panic mode is hardly logical!), his rage in direct proportion to his fears. I liked it even more that when Moti petitioned him tearfully to look for the heartbroken Jodha himself as only he would be able to do find her, he actually listens and then moves swiftly into action.

By contrast, his patience with the hapless guard who was unable to stop Jodha from leaving the fort on horseback was exemplary. Here is a just ruler, who does not penalize an underling for failing to stop something that was beyond his ability to handle.

Jalal's action plan was impeccable, but still, it was pure serendipity that he happened to land on the same track across the hills that Jodha follows, and that too well in time to see her do that jump (not a dive, a dive is what Jalal does) into the deep water. But then Lady Luck, though a fickle jade, must have a soft corner for handsome young men!

His shouting after Jodha, who is doing an Usain Bolt to the pool, Ruk jayiye Jodha Begum!Yeh hamara hukum hai! was proof positive of how a person can be hard wired, in this case to command. I have not laughed so much since Alakh made Jodha lecture Mohan about his being ehsan faramosh (krutagnata heen, to be precise), unlike the atyant krutagna Ameri variety of sher!😉😉

The pre-pool doings - Jodha: It is a relief that the Agra fort security was not to blame for Jodha's careening off into the wild blue yonder, and that it was merely our Amer ki Mirchi almost riding down the guards.

NB: Did any of you notice the difference in the way Jalal rides and Jodha rides? Jalal is at one with his mount and the two move as one, gracefully and in perfect sync with each other. Jodha, on the contrary, though she keeps her seat well, is out of sync with the galloping horse, and so she bounces up and down constantly. I have done some riding, and that happens when you do not rise and come down in the saddle in the same rhythm as the horse.

To revert, the only significant point in her repeated flashbacks during the ride was that Jalal's long ago assertion, that he married her only because he has beinteha nafrat for her, ranks, in her zehen, on par with her mother's homilies, as the trigger that drives her to such despair. Usually, it is she who dishes this line out to him; it is the first time that she is shown to be obsessed by his hatred for her. Very interesting.

The pre-pool doings- Mahaam: Jalal's Badimmi proves once more how remarkable is her understanding of the vagaries of the human heart, when she warns the purblind Ruqaiya that Shahenshah khudh nahin jaante ki unhein Jodha Begum ki parwah hone lagi hai. No wonder she has ruled the roost in Agra for so long! Ruqaiya , for her part, proves the truth of the old adage: None so blind as those who will not see.

And if I am forced to listen once more to her Jalal ka dil hi nahin hai.. aur unke dimaag par meri hukumat chalt1 hai, I shall summon the spirit of Ruqaiya Sultan Begum to clobber the CVs!😉

The pool and its aftermath: Three rounds of solid applause would be the minimum due for Jalal's comprehensive dressing down of an ungrateful and resentful Jodha (I would not hold that against her, for no one attempting suicide is grateful for having been saved; usually the opposite). To borrow Vicki's mirror motif, Jalal holds up a mirror to Jodha with pitiless logic, going one more than the Green Jodha in sheer vehemence . What he tells her is well worth a full transcript, so here goes.

Bas! Ek lafz aur nahin Jodha! Jab dekho shikayat, jab dekho taane, ki kabhi humne aapke saath yeh kiya, kabhi humne aapke saath wo kiya! Kabhi ki humne aapko aapki zindagi se cheen liya hai, aapko akela kar diya hai! Lekin aaj tak - and up comes his forefinger in savage emphasis - aapke man mein jo aaya aapne wo kiya, aapke dil mein jo baat thi wo aapne keh di. Humne aapki saari shart maani, aapki saari khwahish ko qubool kiya. Yahan tak ki tumhare Amer lautne ki khwahish ko bhi humen poora kiya (turning the tables neatly on Jodha!). Lekin hum aapko yeh bewaqoofi nahin karne denge!

Then a most salutary and violent line: Aap apne aapko samajhti kya ho!!!

Hum maante hain ki apni zindagi par aapka haq hai, lekin Mughal sultanat ki izzat aur uske rutbe ko kaayam rakhna hamara farz hai Jodha!Aur hum aapko uski izzat aur uske rutbe ki ruswayi nahin karne denge! Hum maante hain ki Ruqaiya Begum ke maamle mein humse galti hui, lekin jaise hi humein us galti ka ehsaas hua, humne fauran qubool kiya zur sab ke saamne aapse maafi maangi! Lekin aapke dil ne kabhi yeh zehmat uthane ki koshish ki hai ki izzat aur guroor sirf aapke pas nahin hai, baki sab logon ke pas bhi hota hai? Attaboy, I said to myself, that is the stuff to give her!👏 Not that it is going to have much effect, but it was good to hear him telling her a few home truths.

The same old spiel:The rest, about his having married her because he has beinteha nafrat ( this is, by now, being repeated almost as often as the other staple, Jalal ka sar!), her having started the jung ki aaghaaz and challenged the lion in his den (what is maand, Putija? Den? ), his merely taking the beizzati ka badla for what she had done to him in the Amer prison, and wanting to make her suffer for that, is all old hat. He concludes with an unapologetic: Hum aapko tadpaana chahte the, aur humne aapko tadpaaya to kya galat kiya?

His blaming her for putting a sword to the throat of the Shahenshah is illogical, for she did not know then that it was he, and he should be grateful for that. If she had known it, he would surely have had no head at all, and thus no way of yelling at her now! 😉😉

His anger spills over further: Agar aapke walidein ne aapko le jaane se inkaar kar diya to isme hamari galti nahin hai Jodha! Aur hum us galti ki sazaa nahin bhugtenge, aur na hi apne khandaan aur Mughal sultanat ki izzat ki badnaami hone denge!

And finally, to round matters off satisfactorily: Humein chid hai aapse, aapki zubaan se, aapki aankhon mein bhare sawaal se ( what on earth does this last mean?) Hum nafrat karte hain aapse! (He forgot to add beinteha, but never mind!😉). As to why he cannot oblige her by putting an end to her existence, as she demands, Kyonki agar aisa hota to is nafrat ki jung mein aap jeet jaatin, jo hum nahin chahte! A more goofy comeback I never heard, but Jodha, who is even more illogical, swallows this without a blink!

Generous reassurance: Be that as it may, he makes it a point to reassure her: Agar aapke walidein ke ghar main aapke liye jagah nahin hai, to Mughal sultanat ki begum ke liye uske mahal mein baaqaida jagah hai. Bhale hi hamare beech shauhar aur biwi ka rishta nahin ho, lekin aapko wo saari sahooliyatein muqammal ki jaayengi jo ek begum ke liye hoti hain. That was very thoughtful and indeed kind. I had hoped, back in 2013, that Jodha would think things over later, and concede, at least grudgingly, that it was considerate of him to have welcomed her back, and that too in a matter of fact manner that would cause the least embarrassment to her. But of course she did no such thing!

He finally warns her, with a carryover of his earlier sternness, never to let anyone in the palace know that she had tried to commit suicide. I was duly grateful that he said this with once again dragging in the Mughal sultanat ki shaan, izzat, rutba aur guroor!😉

An excellent scene!

A defence mechanism: Jalal's rage after dragging Jodha out of the pool is directly proportional to, first, the fear he felt, and then the relief he now feels. Both speak to his zehen, and clarify for him what exactly this tiresome, obstreperous, infuriating wife of his means to him.

But if the Shahenshah harps repeatedly on the Mughal shaan and guroor theme to explain why he had rushed to rescue her, adding a categoric refresher about how much she gets on his nerves and how much he hates her, why, that is the only defence mechanism he has!

He could hardly confess, even to himself, that when Ruqaiya had finished with her dire warning, the breath had caught in his throat as an insensate fear of loss had clamped icy fingers around his innermost being. So the Amer ki Mirchi had to be paid back in her own coin, sood samet.

As for Jodha, if only the Green Jodha could have had a go at her again, she would have realised that there was someone who not only cares whether she lived or died, but was prepared to rescue her from herself. The romantics could then have rejoiced. As could even accredited realists like yours truly!

NB: I have to confess that even amidst all these high-voltage doings onscreen, I was thinking of the extra strain the joint dunking would have put on the JA wardrobe section! 😉The curious thing is that their outfits - especially Jalal's, for he seems not to have changed it at all till his later scene with Maham - seem to have dried out remarkably fast. I never knew there were drip dry fabrics in the 16th century!

The ride: An affair to remember!: Ah, the ride! Straight out of the 1950s Errol Flynn golden oldies of Hollywood. Jalal and Jodha looked spectacular together, even in the less than optimal situation of being sopping wet. But for this, one had to watch them long distance, as the amused peasantry was doing. Their indulgent smiles proved anew that all the world loves a lover, and if there are two of them, why they love them twice as much!

We were not so fortunate, for close up, Jalal's face was grim and set, and Jodha , apart from peeping up at him hesitantly once, looked as crabby and sullen as is her wont when with her patidev. It resembled nothing so much as a truant schoolgirl being taken back to school under duress .

An impression that was only reinforced when he drags her thru the khufiya raasta back to the palace. Her hanging back and demanding to know where she was being taken was silly even by her recent standards. What did she think, that he was going to feed her to Mohan in the forest?

Secondly, one wonders what happened to the other horse that Jodha abandons, but I presume Jalal takes Jodha with him on his so as to prevent her from running away again.

Remarkable thoughtfulness: It was again thoughtful of Jalal to have thus shielded Jodha from the endless, and often malicious questions and lamentations that would have bombarded her if her suicide attempt had become public knowledge. He does not want it known for his own reasons as well, of course, but he does make sure she is spared a very rough time of it by keeping out everyone, including even his Ammijaan and Motibai, and proclaiming that Jodha was being punished for playing truant from the palace.

I loved the way in which, despite his welling irritation - which, in such cases, is only redoubled by the relief felt after the crisis is past - Jalal took the time to reassure a weeping Moti about the welfare of her Ranisa (a graceful adaab to Rajput mores), and even more so his proud assertion Mughal sultanat ki begum hai, implying that he would not allow anything to happen to the Mughal sultanat ki begum.

Questions of the day:

1) How does Jodha, who can hardly be familiar with the topography of Agra and its surroundings, know the location of the forest pool so well that she makes a straight track for it?

2) After sighting Jodha's horse, why does Jalal get down from his mount and run after her, instead of riding after her and catching her before she reached the pool, or even while she was standing on the little hillock and thinking of the flashbacks? That would have been far more sensible, and it is not as though Ekta's directors were planning a Raj Kapoor style wet sari scene for their heroine!

Like MA I want to say, "..itna math sochiye Shyamala!"

So, folks, en avant to Episode 78, with Ajmer Sharif beckoning, and a possible shift, even if only slight as yet, away from the "enemy" and towards the "beloved" !


Episode 78: Matters of the heart & the Hand of God

This episode falls roughly into two halves, one in which much happens, and another in which much is realized. This time, I am not going to save the best for the last!

Matters of the heart: The piece de resistance in the whole episode is the incredibly moving scene between Jalal and Mahaam, which is really between Jalal and an invisible Jodha. Jalal's thoughts flowed on and on, unaffected by anything that Mahaam had to interject and to object. His eyes, still and introspective, with a clear, unveiled sadness in their depths, reflected every shifting nuance of feeling as he talked.

What he said was apparently to his Badiammi, but really to himself, as he dissected, with the precision of a surgeon's scalpel and the honesty that is one of Jalal's main traits, what he felt about Jodha and about himself, and how distinct the similarity was between their respective fates and their present/ past situations.

The strand of hair: I would like here to make a point re: Jalal reminiscing about Jodha as he is winding that long strand of her hair on his finger. Let us go back to the episode of Jodha's payal, during Jalal's secret incursion into the heart to Amer to catch a glimpse of the registan ka gulab. I had then written:

He does not kiss the payal as any ordinary lover would. It would be not be like the Shahenshah at all. He tosses it up in the air, but he always catches it, and when it falls into the fire, he burns his hand to retrieve it. This is not so much, as some have thought, a sign of passion for Jodha. He is not yet aware that he is falling in love with her, he does not know what love means. It is rather the possessiveness towards her that, as the line has it, uske parvaan chad gaya tha. For him, the payal symbolizes Jodha, and he will not let go of it or her, even if he has to burn his fingers to secure it.

Much has happened since then, much has changed between Jalal and Jodha, and within Jalal's persona as well. But some things are still the same. True, he now sees her as a person, not as an object to be acquired, but his possessiveness towards her is unchanged.

Also unchanged, and here I foresee agitated protests from the accredited romantics in the forum , is the fact that he is still not, in the accepted sense of the term, in love with her. The deewangee that will, one day, lead him to count his whole world well lost for her, is still in the future.

So, I would rather interpret the whole scene - beginning with the strand of hair that he instinctively hides from Mahaam's sharp, inquisitive gaze, as being too personal for outside scrutiny, but which is not the conventional love token - as a revelation not of a romantic longing for Jodha, but of something rarer and more precious. A revelation of a sense of kinship with her. It is significant that the flashbacks he sees here are all fit into this template. They are about her defending him to the praja at the Ambe Mata temple, about her recognizing him in his disguise, and lastly, her desperation and anger, then and during their ride back, at his having snatched her away from the release she had sought thru her death.

The loneliness of the soul: What Jalal now feels is rooted in the perception that Jodha and he share something crucial, the arid loneliness of the soul that comes from not belonging anywhere or to anyone. His words bring all this to life with startling sensitivity and clarity.

Hum samajhte hain ki aisa unhon ne hoshohawas mein nahin kiya. Pichle kuch dinon mein jo bhi huwa, un sabka bahut gehra sadma laga hai Jodha Begum ko. Unke walidein ka unhein Amer le jaane se inkaar kar dena Jodha Begum ko tod gaya hai.

The mellifluous Urdu brings out what he wants to convey - not to Maham but to himself and to the Jodha who is not there - with a delicacy and a level of sensitivity that the English translation can never convey.

Sab kuch hote hue bhi kuch na hona, rishtey sirf naam ke bankar reh jana, har or ruswayi, har or akelapan. Aisi haalat mein kisi par kya beethti hai yeh hum se behatar koyi nahin samajh sakta.

Aaj pehli baar humein ehsaas hua hai ki hum aur Jodha Begum, donon ek hi kashti mein sawaar hain.

Responding to Maham's strong protests, he goes on, his eyes reflecting a sadness too deep for her to grasp: Badiammi, kya Babur-e-Azam ke khandaan mein kisi ko dard nahin hota? Hum maante te hain ki hum Humayun Shah ke bete hain, aur Mughal shehzade the. Par phir bhi,hamare haalaat Jodha Begum se juda kahaan?

Humein bhi hamari Ammijaan ka saath nahin mila, Jodha Begum ki tarah.

Saare rishtey naate hone ke bawajood, hum tanha hain, Jodha Begum ki tarah.

Jodha Begum ka rishta Agra aur Amer donon se hai, par aaj na hi wo Agra ki hain, na Amer ki. Jaise ek waqt hum bhi na Dilli ke the, ne Agra ke, na Kabul ke.

The tanhayee , the loneliness inside him that he is referring to, is of now. It is in the present.

He feels and fears about his loneliness without Jodha's care and concern , which he expected to get from her.

And then, as Maham pleads desperately : Jalal, itna mat sochiye!., he turns her down: Sochna laazmi hai, Badimmi, and goes on: Hamare aur Jodha Begum ke rishte chahe kisi bhi maqaam par hon, lekin haqeeqat to yeh hai ki hum unhein nikaah karke, begum banakar Agra lekar aaye hain.. Wo Mughal sultanat ki begum hai, isiliye humne khud unhein dhoondne ka zimma uthaya. ..Jodha Begum Mughal Sultanat ki begum hai, aur hamesha rahengi.

No wonder that when he leaves abruptly, telling Maham Badiammi, hum kuch der tanha rahna chahte hain,Maham feels a cold fear creeping into her heart and mind. For though she is herself heartless, she understands the matters of the heart like none other, not even Jalal himself, not to speak of Jodha. She can see what lies ahead, for Jalal and Jodha, and for herself as well. And she is terrified by what she sees.

Jalal: A revelation: To revert, what the above tells us of Jalal, as he is now, is as incredibly moving as it is almost unbelievable. He has a degree of sensitivity, of the ability to see things from the other's point of view, to get into another's skin, so to speak, plus a degree of honesty, of candour, in disclosing his secret sorrows, that is unbelievable in such an accredited alpha male, and that too one who is an emperor to the purple born. He can not merely understand Jodha with his mind, he can feel what she is now feeling, with his heart.

Ah, yes, Rajat as this Jalal. What can one say of him, except that one could, after the first few seconds, no longer make out where Rajat ended and Jalal began, or vice versa? The deep set eyes looking inwards into his own zehen, the level voice, factual and devoid of self pity and despite that intensely moving. There can be no greater tribute to Rajat's skills than that he made us forget him and see only the Jalal that he unveiled for us.

Superb Rajat!

In this connection, I suggest you to read the post titled"Jalal, Jalal, Jalal all the way Yesterday!"by Mansi(Skanda12) in the JAforum dated 2nd Octber 2013, where she has given a very beautiful account of the episode highlighting Jalal's master performance.

The link is www.indiaforums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3757993

(It is on p1544 as of now)


OK, folks, it is time for you to heave a sigh of relief and relax ! 😉Au revoir till next Thursday.

Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/ Di

Edited by karkuzhali - 9 years ago
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Saraswathi Aunty,
I think people 'res' their comments when they want to reserve a certain place for their comments. 😃
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, my dear Sri!

I knew you would like it if you read it, just as I knew what Preeti or Devki would say if they wrote something on this thread. And you just have to see the Likes below one post or the other to classify likely future responses!😉 After a while, the surprise element is completely lost, like a parliamentary debate where all concerned toe the Party line!😉

I switch back and forth - I have wanted to kick Jalal soundly with hobnailed boots, as I noted after the Holi fiasco - but mostly, Jodha, with her rock hard self-righteousness and her mahaanta, gets on my nerves big time, and that shows. The difference between me and most others is that I can cite facts to back up almost everything I say.

In the one other forum where I wrote analyses for 8 months, the Pavitra Rishta one, those siding with the girl and with the boy were pretty much evenly matched. Here, the Jodha-philes outnumber the Jalal-philes about 80:20. You should have seen the forum during the original telecasts! But there were also a number of good writers who were not fans - Vicki, Meghana, Lashy, Mansi - and it was fun to read them. My old threads were also full of very lively debates. These ones are mere pale shadows, like ghosts in a cemetery.

Shyamala Akka

As usual great post Aunty. I guess I am one of the "Jodhaphiles"😆 . Tt seems more like a 50:50 than 80:20 to me though.
What might surprise you is that it is really Jalal who got me hooked on the show and kept me there and not Jodha. She kind of grew on me later.
What honestly surprises me is that the tide has turned against Jodha so early on and so strongly.
It is as if Jalal can do no wrong and Jodha can do no right. If she deviates even a little bit from our expectations of woulda coulda shoulda she gets it with both barrels while if Jalal does something not up to the mark he gets a reprimand like one would a favorite child(at least that is the way it seems to me). Hence my defense mode for Jodha. Trust me I do not like Jalal being criticized either.
Anyway, what is more important is that people feel comfortable putting their different views forward on your thread without feeling intimidated one way or the other. Rather this than the pretense of being neutral. And I do not mean to say that the writers that you mentioned were pretending in any way. This is just for the present lot that posts.
Devki
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I just watched the best episode of JA. This is the episode that made me stay on with JA in 2013. In fact I liked it so much then that I downloaded an HD video of this episode.

I know it has nothing to do with the series of episodes you have written about but I am at a euphoric high today after watching today's episode and I had to share my joy. I need not tell you, how eager I am to read your analysis of this episode.

It was a perfect episode with a right mix of all the ingredients which makes a program great. I don't care a damn for any new show, when even a repeat of this episode can gave me such joy today. Besides I am too picky, rarely does any audiovisual program give me pleasure.

O.K from the start. The snake scene was superb. Jalal's comments were humorous but cutting at the same time. They reflected his pain at the outrageously bad behavior that Jodha has shown towards him in recent times. At the same time his words made Jodha smile, which is a first in this series. It also made her think.

The spectular tent settings, tight direction and focused script were helped by electric chemistry of Rajat and Paridhi.

What a start! O.K on to scene 2, the fakir scene. Another great scene, Jodha jumps to wrong conclusions about Jalal's intentions and is then stunned by Jalal's humility and charity.

Then the dargah scene. It was a pious and pure scene. A mystic touch as Jodha and Jalal paid obeisance. Everything looked serene and holy.

The predictions made by the fakir about Jodha Jalal future were so optimistic, it must have gladdened the hearts of the serial watchers in 2013 who had gone through so much negativity in the preceding episodes.

Then came the iconic thread tying scene. This scene, in my opinion is the symbolic scene of JA, if you want anyone else to experience the magic of JA, show them this scene. It is what JA is all about, tolerance and acceptance of different cultures.

In this scene, Jalal was extremely nice to Jodha, making no wish for himself, instead he prayed for her wish to come true.

The dervish scene was another great Rajat performance. He added his own touch to the iconic Hrithik scene from the movie. Also note how many times Jalal addresses Jodha as MUZ, heartwarming.

Then the final hunt scene. I don't think that Rajat and Paridhi have looked better than in this scene. Again some cute nok jhok to end a perfect episode.

A total once in a lifetime package, this episode was. I wish that I get to experience more such perfect moments in life. Even if I don't, I have this episode to relish.
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And Preeti dear, I mentioned you in the context of the horse scene, as a joke, because you had noted on my last thread that you could not wait for the "iconic" horse ride back together!😉

One more point that I had forgotten. I asked what Jodha had done to make this marriage work only because she says to the Green Jodha ne humein Agra mein apnaya! and goes on about his not having given her vishwas, sammaan, and so on. Otherwise, I do not see why either of them should work at their marriage when they both hate each other. And when he tells her clearly that he married her only because of his, what else, beinteha nafrat 😉 for her, how on earth does she expect vishwas and sammaan from him? It is all nonsense.

Plus, I never heard of all the vachan they keep citing in this show. No one gives any of these vachans, at least not that I have heard of. And in the Tamil marriage, there is nothing of the kind spoken by Jodha either. I always used to joke that in the Hindu marriage, the bride has it easy because she promises nothing!😉

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Coolpree

Dearest Shyamala, i am sorry you are not enjoying writing these posts as much as we are enjoying reading it😕.
Regarding the " matters of the heart" , yes you have written beautifully and at length about it. It is very clear to me that you found it more appealing than the horse ride. Perhaps you misunderstood me..I was joking about the horse ride scene not being my favorite only because of the two references you made to me in your post about my attachment to the horse ride scene 😊

I cannot argue with you about Jodha's sometimes atrocious behaviour. I just happen to think that Jalal is no dudh ka dhula either . BTW I do agree that Jalal's character is more complex and interesting than Jodha's. This becomes more apparent in the next few tracks.

As far as your comment on what Jalal was reduced to later on during the Sujamal fiasco...I was not referring to what became of Jalal that far down the road. But rather his efforts during the sukanya marraige track...efforts that were not reciprocated adequately by Jodha at all.
At any rate I better stop while I still have good memories of the wonderful episode 77 stuck in my mind. Like you, this Jodha vs Jalal issue starts to get me a bit weary too 😕



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My dear Mitali,

It is good to have you back on my threads, and I am very pleased that you enjoyed this one so much. I agree with your choice of the best scenes; it is spot on!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: melovesja

awesome epi on the way. the scan was heart wrenching when maina refuse to take back jo its a biggest shock for child when they don't get parents support but Maina was right at her place in that time women loose the respect and the whole purpose of this aliens failed and with this she saw mirror to jodha to change her thinking. we can see jalal's feeling towards jo in this scan and after sue side attempt also.like the convo between jalal and maham.

thanks for pms.

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Jodha Akbar FF : --- Who loves Him Most (M) --- Link to my other threads Thread 1 Thread 2 - Thread 3 :::::Thread 4::::...

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Posted by: Swissgerman · 9 years ago

... Shahzada Of Her Dreams ... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Index::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Chapter-1.....The beginning Chapter-2:...

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