Jodha Akbar 17th April 2015 .. LOOONG Episode Analysis Updated on Pg-1 - Page 11

Originally posted by: Coolpree

@ Abhay thanks so much for your concise daily updates. I decide whether to watch an episode based on your post. I watched the first four episodes this week as I felt that finally they have moved away from the "family drama/ salim against parents" nonsense and focused on the real political issues. I skipped fridays episode based on the WU as it had me really depressed. It reminded me of why I only watch this serial in bits and pieces and refuse to get emotionally attached anymore.

@ Radhika your analysis took my breath away. You are a wonderful and powerful writer. Your analysis was really based on how it should be vs how it really was depicted though. I agree with Donjas that your analysis was frankly far superior to the actual events of the episode. Charu and Aadyaa and all the others have said some wonderful points so I wont repeat the issues.

I do feel that you have been too kind to Jodha in this write up. I want to start off with a Disclaimer: I am not criticizing real Jodha /MUZ who I adore, nor am I criticizing Paridhi who is doing a great job. I am flaying the weak , very weak characterization of REEL JODHA who is now MEH.

While Charu was upset about the depiction of MM ( i agree with her fully), I feel very let down by the actions of Jodha. You have described her angst and her devotion to Kanha very well , BUT she needed to rise above all that and on friday she failed miserably when she agreed to convert despite promising her husband that she would'nt and whats worse hiding it from him. I disagree that it was difficult for her to refuse MM as she was her Mother in Law...That may have been in the early stages of her marriage. After 20 some yrs of marriage, MM was her mother more than her MIL and Jodha has always considered her inlaws as her own family. So I do believe that just as Jalal was firm with MM, she too should have firmly reminded hamida of her duties to the kingdom as well as the implications of her conversion on the future hindu wives of the Sultanate as well as the awaam.

Jodha is not the victim here! I say this because she has the unstinted support of the most powerful man in the kingdom: her husband, the Emperor who has stood by her like a rock. Moreover she is MEH, the second most powerful person in the land. She just cannot afford to think like a mother of Salim alone, she has to think like the Empress. As they say " To whom much is given, much is expected". Jalal had just handed her the running of the entire Sultanate when he goes to war because he was confident she could take tough decisions. She let him down badly when she capitulated in front of MM. If she goes ahead with the conversion she will have undermined all that her secular husband stood for as well demeaned his authority in front of the Shah of Iran. This is not the Jodha I signed up to see.

I hope Jalal or Salim don't rush to stop her. She needs to stand tall and make this decision on her own and then go to that Nafarmaan son of hers and inculcate some strenght of charachter in him instead of constantly weeping, pleading and bending over backwards to please him. Enough's enough!!

@ Donjas. You provided us with a wonderful psychological analysis of Jodha's frame of mind. I agree that she is cornered from all sides. But I still feel you are seeing her as a mother, wife and woman. Unfortunately we expect much more from our leaders and in her case the Empress of the nation. If the pressure on her is too much to bear she needs to hand over the crown of MEH and clearly tell her husband that she has a conflict of interest and cannot serve her title effectively. My frustration with Jodha's characterization has been growing for some time now and I am ready for the CVs to show our much loved Jodha with some spine now. I am sorry if I sound harsh but thats the way I feel.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Ayushi,
Thanks for your musical thoughts. :D
As usual, this is a post with a difference.

I so so agree with you about assessment of Jalal. Though, i am not expecting them to show Jodha as MEH or HB as MM. They both are dealing with the problem with an emotional perspective.

Originally posted by: Coolpree

@ Abhay thanks so much for your concise daily updates. I decide whether to watch an episode based on your post. I watched the first four episodes this week as I felt that finally they have moved away from the "family drama/ salim against parents" nonsense and focused on the real political issues. I skipped fridays episode based on the WU as it had me really depressed. It reminded me of why I only watch this serial in bits and pieces and refuse to get emotionally attached anymore.

@ Radhika your analysis took my breath away. You are a wonderful and powerful writer. Your analysis was really based on how it should be vs how it really was depicted though. I agree with Donjas that your analysis was frankly far superior to the actual events of the episode. Charu and Aadyaa and all the others have said some wonderful points so I wont repeat the issues.

I do feel that you have been too kind to Jodha in this write up. I want to start off with a Disclaimer: I am not criticizing real Jodha /MUZ who I adore, nor am I criticizing Paridhi who is doing a great job. I am flaying the weak , very weak characterization of REEL JODHA who is now MEH.

While Charu was upset about the depiction of MM ( i agree with her fully), I feel very let down by the actions of Jodha. You have described her angst and her devotion to Kanha very well , BUT she needed to rise above all that and on friday she failed miserably when she agreed to convert despite promising her husband that she would'nt and whats worse hiding it from him. I disagree that it was difficult for her to refuse MM as she was her Mother in Law...That may have been in the early stages of her marriage. After 20 some yrs of marriage, MM was her mother more than her MIL and Jodha has always considered her inlaws as her own family. So I do believe that just as Jalal was firm with MM, she too should have firmly reminded hamida of her duties to the kingdom as well as the implications of her conversion on the future hindu wives of the Sultanate as well as the awaam.

Jodha is not the victim here! I say this because she has the unstinted support of the most powerful man in the kingdom: her husband, the Emperor who has stood by her like a rock. Moreover she is MEH, the second most powerful person in the land. She just cannot afford to think like a mother of Salim alone, she has to think like the Empress. As they say " To whom much is given, much is expected". Jalal had just handed her the running of the entire Sultanate when he goes to war because he was confident she could take tough decisions. She let him down badly when she capitulated in front of MM. If she goes ahead with the conversion she will have undermined all that her secular husband stood for as well demeaned his authority in front of the Shah of Iran. This is not the Jodha I signed up to see.

I hope Jalal or Salim don't rush to stop her. She needs to stand tall and make this decision on her own and then go to that Nafarmaan son of hers and inculcate some strenght of charachter in him instead of constantly weeping, pleading and bending over backwards to please him. Enough's enough!!

Preeti! :)

What a great post! And your paragraph in bold is mind blowing.

Jodha as a mother, as a women is in a situation that no one would wish to be in, but I feel it is in situations such as these that the true strength of a character can be shown. I feel since the leap we have lost that Aameri Mirch Jodha, and we are now forced to watch a Jodha who is always crying and moping around the place.

I hate the fact that Jodha succumbed to MM's demands because first it is so out of character from Jodha and second she has the support of her husband 'Akbar'. She is seeing only a partial picture where her conversion will help in solving the family's problems. But in reality will it, do they think by making Salim the heir after her conversion, Murad will be fine with it? And she feels she is helping the awwam by preventing blood shed? But is it okay in living in a Sultanate, where the question of a person following one's religion is always uncertain, where any time the Shah can come into the picture and alter the rules. Today its one hindu converting, tomorrow a 100 more.

This Jodha is so out of character because in spite of all the edging that Jalal has been giving to her about staying strong, not giving into pressure, staying with one's religion, she gave into the conversion. I would have loved for Jodha to politely decline, or say that she is ready for the conversion ONLY if Jalal is informed about it and approves of it.

And worse, is seeing Jodha shown as a mother who is always late, she comes after the whole thing gets over and tries to console him. I would like to see Jodha as a pro active mother, who takes the reigns from rukaiiyas hands.

Originally posted by: history_geek

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Conversion will not happen Harshu, they can not do such a big NR here.
Akbar had "defeated" Iranian ruler with Diplomacy. :)

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thnx for replying abhay ya actually d conversion wont take place bt wat I meant is dey wanted 2 maintain d suspense fr d viewers so dey hav longed it till Monday in dat sense I was telling... 😊

Originally posted by: -aady-

So all the theories about it being for iPL and to get rid of Sanar seems redundant now. Maybe it was just for some boost for the show. 😆

I hope now that they are back to their original time, I hope they dont go back to our old NR's.

That HB NR is seriously off lines, this shows how much the CV's are ready to change a chaarcter just so that they can induce 'drama'. But who are they cooking up this drama for because none of us audiences seem to like it.

Aadhya
We are not going to get back SA again. It will be JA only.
That was a temporary arrangement, probably due to one of the shows going off air.
Bandhan has ended perhaps..

I just now checked the TV guide.
http://tv.burrp.com/channel/ZEE%20TV/32/2015-04-20%2000:00:00
Now, "Hello Pratibha" is going to get extra airing time, from 7:15 to 8:00 PM , this week..

Radhika, Preeti, Donjas, Charu, Aadhya, Ndi, Harshu, and all here.

Thanks for these wonderful posts.
After a long long time, we had an episode discussion like this.

I replied to some members, and unable to reply now to all.
So, Posting my views here only, as a common reply..


In short,
I am of the view that MM is not upto the status, which a Queen Mother is expected to follow, and she is the one who is seen as a role model by the others. If she is going to be like this then, what about the future Queen Mothers ? Her approach is short sighted. Till date, she has supported her son's policies with complete regard, and here she is going against him, that too, without telling him. Esp. as Radhika stated, she was the one who was initially supporting Jalal in his decision of going for MukhalFat of Shah-i-Iran, but right now, she has decided to bend before Shah-i-Iran.

The basis of any friendship is equality, first of all. That very foundation has been shaken. When one person starts to behave as a big brother, then the problem arises. Same is the case here. If HB bends this time, then in future, it is very much possible, the ruler of Iran will come up with another demand of his. <- This is such a simple point which HB should understand. We all know, the motive of Iranian ruler is so pressurize Jalal to reverse his liberal policies and convert Hindustan in Daru'l-Islam, which is against the established law of this Sultanate. HB is been utterly disappointing here.


Coming to Jodha.

I have already said a point, few pages back, and would repeat the same again. I was more concerned about the stand of HB. If we see the episode, it was complete emotional blackmail, and in such a condition i don't think the person concerned(Jodha), will get enough time to think about deeply and weigh the logical points , and decide the repurcussions of such a decision. CV's have shown HB as a not so far thinking Queen Mother in present case.

-> HB came in a hurry, did emotional blackmailing, extracted word from Jodha's mouth regarding conversion, and went to make immediate arrangement for conversion. That time, human emotions do sway over a person.

HB was the one who supported her before as well, and allowed her to retain her religion. If we remember , Jodha got ready to convert before also, once, but that was a plan of HB, so she was saved at the last moment. In short, HB is the person who exercises lot of influence in her life, straight refusal to her EMOTIONAL REQUEST was not easy.

Though, i am also expecting, like many that on Monday, Jodha might herself , think some thing about this issue and refuse. And, if not, we already have various theories being discussed here. :D

Originally posted by: -aady-

Preeti! :)

What a great post! And your paragraph in bold is mind blowing.

Jodha as a mother, as a women is in a situation that no one would wish to be in, but I feel it is in situations such as these that the true strength of a character can be shown. I feel since the leap we have lost that Aameri Mirch Jodha, and we are now forced to watch a Jodha who is always crying and moping around the place.

I hate the fact that Jodha succumbed to MM's demands because first it is so out of character from Jodha and second she has the support of her husband 'Akbar'. She is seeing only a partial picture where her conversion will help in solving the family's problems. But in reality will it, do they think by making Salim the heir after her conversion, Murad will be fine with it? And she feels she is helping the awwam by preventing blood shed? But is it okay in living in a Sultanate, where the question of a person following one's religion is always uncertain, where any time the Shah can come into the picture and alter the rules. Today its one hindu converting, tomorrow a 100 more.

This Jodha is so out of character because in spite of all the edging that Jalal has been giving to her about staying strong, not giving into pressure, staying with one's religion, she gave into the conversion. I would have loved for Jodha to politely decline, or say that she is ready for the conversion ONLY if Jalal is informed about it and approves of it.

And worse, is seeing Jodha shown as a mother who is always late, she comes after the whole thing gets over and tries to console him. I would like to see Jodha as a pro active mother, who takes the reigns from rukaiiyas hands.

Hi Everyone,