Misplaced sense of justice

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Today I was watching the show and looking at the absurdity of the fight bet Murad and Salim

Murad called Salim many times but he never went - not because he was sitting with anarkali as Murad told in court but because he thinks Murad has no right to order him around just because he is shah I shah suddenly which was actually his right(as told by Akbar from childhood)
Just think any of us will behave same way if our sibling shall order to come and meet them if our parents make them next to head of family(especially if they are younger to us) taking away what we think was our right
And then Murad goes and asks Salim why are you not coming? when he knows Salim is already angry at the injustice to him. It was like putting ghee to fire
If Murad had understood Salim was pissed off and went away to speak later than it was OK
But first anarkali tried to tell salim state of mind to him and he lost his cool and shouted at anarkali
Salim told him to not shout at her yet he went on saying she is slipper of legs and not to sit on his head etc
Actually Murad was removing Salim anger at anarkali.
And he forgot for salim anarkali is not a bandi and rakasha she is his lover and whom he wants to be future wife. So salim in fit of rage slapped him.
Till this time Ok we can see some sense of logic
But after this logic and sense of justice totally lost
Salim slapped Murad who is a brother. If Murad was angry he could have slapped back Murad like in childhood they used to have fist fights or get angry etc but this matter reached Akbar's ears
Now an intelligent father will never add fuel to fire and call both sons and ask what is matter and ask Salim to say sorry in private if he still not agree give him sometime to realize his mistake. The kind of fights Murad and Salim have are played out almost everyday bet siblings in every household. That does not mean parent will ask son who slapped to ask sorry in front of panchayat, parliament, assembly(DEK is like a parliament). Jodha tried to put sense in Akbar but no he called DEK 🤣😔 to ask Salim to say sorry to Murad his younger brother no matter Shah I Shah.
A family does not run based on designations no son, brother cares if their father is shahenshah or crown prince for them they are family first and foremost and some position later on that too in public.
Murad and Salim had fight in private rang shala not in public. So why make such big issue of this matter. Best part is Murad allowed his dad to set up DEA for this silly issue if any other brother he would advice dad that leave it we shall resolve in our way over a drink etc. But no this silly issue has gone too far now.
Now tomorrow Akbar will ask salim to say sorry and he shall refuse then he may give some punishment etc.
In childhood when Salim by mistake in anger threw a vase at moti a maid he made him stand under sun full day till he fainted
Now Murad has called anarkali another maid aka rakasha royal courtesan(who is above maid in hierarchy) a slipper etc that is fine. Where did Akbar treating all humans equal bandi or prince go now?
Why did he drag such a silly issue to DEK?
If that is case when salim was small Murad made him go out by disguise to return anarkali ghungroo? Why he did not call a DEK to punish Murad?
Why is Akbar's all great justice reserved for Salim only?
He never dared punish Adham, Sharif, Abul Mali, Haider, Maham, Ruqaiah, Bakshi etc for even graver crimes
Its obvious Salim feels targeted as only his small faults are seen in lens rather telescope and not any other family members.
As a father or parent should be seen impartial while delivering justice. It cannot be one rule for one person and another rule for another person for similar errors not even crimes. That is missing totally in JA and logically I do not find what this song and dance is about Salim slapping Murad into a DEK issue. Let the brothers resolve it among themselves why parents, DEK, ministers all should barg into it.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

Today I was watching the show and looking at the absurdity of the fight bet Murad and Salim

Murad called Salim many times but he never went - not because he was sitting with anarkali as Murad told in court but because he thinks Murad has no right to order him around just because he is shah I shah suddenly which was actually his right(as told by Akbar from childhood)
Just think any of us will behave same way if our sibling shall order to come and meet them if our parents make them next to head of family(especially if they are younger to us) taking away what we think was our right
And then Murad goes and asks Salim why are you not coming? when he knows Salim is already angry at the injustice to him. It was like putting ghee to fire
If Murad had understood Salim was pissed off and went away to speak later than it was OK
But first anarkali tried to tell salim state of mind to him and he lost his cool and shouted at anarkali
Salim told him to not shout at her yet he went on saying she is slipper of legs and not to sit on his head etc
Actually Murad was removing Salim anger at anarkali.
And he forgot for salim anarkali is not a bandi and rakasha she is his lover and whom he wants to be future wife. So salim in fit of rage slapped him.
Till this time Ok we can see some sense of logic
But after this logic and sense of justice totally lost
Salim slapped Murad who is a brother. If Murad was angry he could have slapped back Murad like in childhood they used to have fist fights or get angry etc but this matter reached Akbar's ears
Now an intelligent father will never add fuel to fire and call both sons and ask what is matter and ask Salim to say sorry in private if he still not agree give him sometime to realize his mistake. The kind of fights Murad and Salim have are played out almost everyday bet siblings in every household. That does not mean parent will ask son who slapped to ask sorry in front of panchayat, parliament, assembly(DEK is like a parliament). Jodha tried to put sense in Akbar but no he called DEK 🤣😔 to ask Salim to say sorry to Murad his younger brother no matter Shah I Shah.
A family does not run based on designations no son, brother cares if their father is shahenshah or crown prince for them they are family first and foremost and some position later on that too in public.
Murad and Salim had fight in private rang shala not in public. So why make such big issue of this matter. Best part is Murad allowed his dad to set up DEA for this silly issue if any other brother he would advice dad that leave it we shall resolve in our way over a drink etc. But no this silly issue has gone too far now.
Now tomorrow Akbar will ask salim to say sorry and he shall refuse then he may give some punishment etc.
In childhood when Salim by mistake in anger threw a vase at moti a maid he made him stand under sun full day till he fainted
Now Murad has called anarkali another maid aka rakasha royal courtesan(who is above maid in hierarchy) a slipper etc that is fine. Where did Akbar treating all humans equal bandi or prince go now?
Why did he drag such a silly issue to DEK?
If that is case when salim was small Murad made him go out by disguise to return anarkali ghungroo? Why he did not call a DEK to punish Murad?
Why is Akbar's all great justice reserved for Salim only?
He never dared punish Adham, Sharif, Abul Mali, Haider, Maham, Ruqaiah, Bakshi etc for even graver crimes
Its obvious Salim feels targeted as only his small faults are seen in lens rather telescope and not any other family members.
As a father or parent should be seen impartial while delivering justice. It cannot be one rule for one person and another rule for another person for similar errors not even crimes. That is missing totally in JA and logically I do not find what this song and dance is about Salim slapping Murad into a DEK issue.



PREM, I AGREE WITH YOUR POINTS


YES WITH ALL THE CODSWALLOP THAT IS SHOWN IN JA, JALAL DOES SEEM A BIT STRONG IN PASSING JUDGEMENTS ABOUT SALIM ( AND MAY BE JODHA) , AS OPPOSED TO EVERYONE ELSE LIKE RUKS ETC


THE FACT THAT ANY KIND OF LOGIC IS MISSING IN JA IS A LONG STANDING XONCLUSION


BUT PLS THINK ABOUT THIS -


SALIM DIDNOT SLAP MURAD, HE ACTUALLY SLAPPED SHAH E SHAH


AGREED THAT THE TITLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIS AND WAS GIVEN AT THE LAST MOMENT TO MURAD


YOU SPEAK ABOUT SIBLING RIVALRY AND FIGHTS IN ANY HOUSEHOLDS BETWEEN SIBLINGS, BUT TELL ME -


WHEN JALAL GAVE MURAD THE TITLE, WAS IT NOT WIERD THAT SALIM NEVER WENT UP TO HIS FATHER TO ASK THE REASON FOR THIS? I GUESS IN A USUAL HOME A KID WOULD DEF ASK HIS DAD DIRECTLY?


AND HE IS SITTING IN THE SHAHI BROTHEL WITH A DANCING GIRL. SHOULD HE NOT BE JUST A BIT EMBARASSED ABOUT THIS WHEN HIS BROTHERS COME VISITING? WHICH HOME WOULD ALLOW SUCH NONSENSE THAT YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME IN A BROTHEL?


AGREED THAT SUCH TIFFS AHOULD BE SORTED IN PRIVATE AND NOT IN DEK, BUT P,EASE DONT FORGET THAT THERE IS A HUGE MISH MASH OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LIVES WHEN IT COMES RO EMOERORS AND PRINCES. AND WHAT GIVES SALIM THE RIGHT TO BE SO RUDE TO THE EMPEROR


ALSO WHEN JODHA HEARS OF THIS INCIDENT, SHOULD SHE NOT GO AND ADMONISH HER SON FOR SLAPPING HIS BROTHER? WHY DOES SHE ALWAYS COME TO JALAL WITH A MERCY PLEA?


THIS SALIM, WHO IS FULLY A BLUNDEROUS CREARION OF OUR CVS, CANNOT BE COMPARED TO A SON OF ANY NORMAL HOUSEHOLD


HE IS BEYOND REDEMPTION
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Posted: 10 years ago
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agreed...one more of CVs gr8 murders... i m surprised they r not yet tired of killing Jo and Jalal's characters... now Salim is added in the list...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Salims character is written worst than rukiyas,costume drama a with a pinch os history,uff salt,havent watch the show but this show has no logic,as i said before writers have no human emotions nor d are aware of parents child relation ship,this is not based on sbs but rather real people thodi si dignity to rakhlete much a do about nothing
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Posted: 10 years ago
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hi prem i read all u r posts on sa charecter in ja .story is 16th cen not 21st cen mentality wise not presentation wiseand logic keep a side.and if jl talks with sa before or pravitely will sa accept jls views . when sa told that jl decision is final and he has no problem if jl will make murad as next king and when jl said if u i will give written statement as that u r next king there he said to jl u can break anybodys heart but now what he is doing?
murad sending sa out jl scolded them and told them if u repeat iwill give punishmentand there jl just explained to sa what will happen if sa go out.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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it is salims turn to be butchered now
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Posted: 10 years ago
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hi prem my view is- salim's this kind of behaviour is because of three persons
1)sa himself 2) his anger on anar 3) ruq .
as a father if jl supported him people will accept him as king forget about sa's and as a father also he has to be strict on certtain things.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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The answer is that Salim over reacts to situations. His responses are provocative that angers Jalal always.
When Salim was punished in childhood it was for leaving the hurt boy to his fate and absconding from the scene, not for hurting Qadir by mistake. That was cowardice.

He didn't hit Moti by mistake. He intentionally hurt her. Of course his bachpan ki dost also hits and slaps people. But the moment Jalal questions her she apologises to him and even the party concerned if Jalal insists. But Salim invariably defies him and refuses to apologize. That is why he was made to stand in the sun.

Salim never complies with Royal Etiquette which is mandatory for Shaahi log. And Salim was a to be Emperor. Even when he burnt the scales of justice he refused to apologise.

Now again hitting murad is not an issue but hitting Shah Shah and disrespecting the position. The incident took place in the rangshala in private only but in minutes the whole palace knew of it. murad had approached Salim only for an important political consultation as a yuvraj. but salim felt that crying to Anarkali was more important.

Where has Jalal been lenient to others. With Shariffu and Ruqs he was compelled to forgive them. He was ready to slay AK long ago but MA apologised and begged forgiveness. AK too apilogised then. But none of the evil lot defied him like Salim. Most of their faults were known to us the viewers but not to Jalal. He did jail MA when her fault was exposed. He was prepared to go against BK when the latter rebelled. He refused Hussein to Ruqaiya as he felt it was unjust. He was prepared to punish her when she faked pregnancy. Even with Zeenat Ruq was unaware of Zeenat's truth like others. How could he punish her there without intentional guilt.

Now what is wrong if Salim apologizes to Murad for his unruly behaviour? Even now he is only angry that Murad spoke low of Anarkali. If Anarkali means so much to him why doesn't Salim tell everyone the truth? Why hold Man bai on hooks?

Salim doesn't show firmness and inner courage. He only displays insolence and defiance. This is what makes Salim deplorable.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

The answer is that Salim over reacts to situations. His responses are provocative that angers Jalal always.

When Salim was punished in childhood it was for leaving the hurt boy to his fate and absconding from the scene, not for hurting Qadir by mistake. That was cowardice.

He didn't hit Moti by mistake. He intentionally hurt her. Of course his bachpan ki dost also hits and slaps people. But the moment Jalal questions her she apologises to him and even the party concerned if Jalal insists. But Salim invariably defies him and refuses to apologize. That is why he was made to stand in the sun.

Salim never complies with Royal Etiquette which is mandatory for Shaahi log. And Salim was a to be Emperor. Even when he burnt the scales of justice he refused to apologise.

Now again hitting murad is not an issue but hitting Shah Shah and disrespecting the position. The incident took place in the rangshala in private only but in minutes the whole palace knew of it. murad had approached Salim only for an important political consultation as a yuvraj. but salim felt that crying to Anarkali was more important.

Where has Jalal been lenient to others. With Shariffu and Ruqs he was compelled to forgive them. He was ready to slay AK long ago but MA apologised and begged forgiveness. AK too apilogised then. But none of the evil lot defied him like Salim. Most of their faults were known to us the viewers but not to Jalal. He did jail MA when her fault was exposed. He was prepared to go against BK when the latter rebelled. He refused Hussein to Ruqaiya as he felt it was unjust. He was prepared to punish her when she faked pregnancy. Even with Zeenat Ruq was unaware of Zeenat's truth like others. How could he punish her there without intentional guilt.

Now what is wrong if Salim apologizes to Murad for his unruly behaviour? Even now he is only angry that Murad spoke low of Anarkali. If Anarkali means so much to him why doesn't Salim tell everyone the truth? Why hold Man bai on hooks?

Salim doesn't show firmness and inner courage. He only displays insolence and defiance. This is what makes Salim deplorable.


As a society we love two faced people whether in serial or real life

If people act as if they are sorry while back stabbing behind we think they are great humans and forgive them again and again

Salim does not hide his emotions and true feeling towards anyone or any situation - he is not a good actor like all others so he is a bad human not great family guy not great son not great brother not great to be king

In serial

Salim what you see is what you get - he speaks his heart out whether mom-dad like it, anarkali likes it, murad likes it he gives a damn etc so he is insolent, bad, misbehaving person

May be Akbar prefer an son like Aurangzeb type of guy who wait for correct opportunity and then backstab father and kill all brothers and their kids at one go instead of saying his feelings open. Cannot Akbar find what issue Salim has and resolve them about childhood instead of antogising him more?
Murad, Ruq etc all hide their true feelings in fear or for benefit so they are all good humans. Everyone act goody goody in front of Akbar because he is king they want to be in his good books although behind they are ready to kill him etc so Akbar has no problems with them. If Salim speaks what his heart tells him whether good or bad he is a very bad son, human and unfit to be king
That is biggest two faced problem of this serial
Akbar can marry bandi, widow, divorcee and any girl he sets eyes on by hook or crook
If Salim spents time in rangshala with anarkali its biggest crime
Akbar can kill as many innocents for expanding kingdom etc if Salim shot arrow by mistake and got scared and ran off its a biggest crime
If Akbar was a great human and he question Salim and point his faults than may be it would be right
Problem here is Akbar is no saint person so which child/son shall listen to his great philosophy?
Only one who has two faced agenda and wants benefits from him not others
As per Salim, Akbar is not great father or Shahenshah simple no matter what Akbar does his anger and hatred shall increase more simple psychology Akbar cannot understand
Akbar himself no great son to Hamida and want Salim to be a great son and behave with him and Jodha.
As you sow so shall you reap
Edited by myviewprem - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Bang on just love whatever u have written here

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