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chitterati

@chitterati

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#11

Brilliant post Sandhya, CVs killed a superb show at the altar of TRPs only to realize God hates sacrifices!

EK and her team killed the essence of Jodha and absolutely butchered Akbar! I am no fan of Mughals especially the later generations but even for me Akbar was an exceptional ruler, who ruled with an iron fist, he did what he had to do to fulfill his ambition. He definitely was no bheegi billi who had to resort to enduring kodas and manual labor to turn awaam mood in his favor and has to endanger his queens to catch a common thief- i mean really,do CVs really consider Indian audience that dumb !!!

The other two shows even MP where Akbar is anti-hero - Akbar is no dumbo, he has an aura, is a strategist and is not black, he commands a certain respect that JA wala Akbar despite Rajat's acting simply does not. Why only Akbar,every single character is so far from their history that it is safe to not call this show a historical at all.

This Akbar might as well be a subedaar of some poor tehsil, from last 19+ years no pucca construction has taken place in Mughal sultanat...everyone lives in jhuggi jhopadi only...and Royalty - there is no such thing in the show - if you watch Siyasat, the contrast is sooo stark that it makes you hate JA even more. Elements like lehzaa, tehzeeb and nzakat which are synonymous with Mughal rulers - seem to be non existent in JA world. To top it story has no sar or pair.

An what to say for Jodha - initially, when they were trying to establish the love story i was OK with OTT goodness of Jodha, but after Mathura track it has just been typical SBS with female lead glorification...and frankly what glorification she is so dumb who cannot see that her son is a druggie, is in love with someone else and is well on his way to rebel against his dad. And how difficult it would have been to show her invite Hakims and physicians from around the world to treat her people, and then getting involved in administration of medical camps instead of some under cover sarpanch ...is this the same Jodha with that iconic "Magarmacch ka shikaar" dialogue

I personally have no admiration for real Mughals or other Arab invaders or Rajputs who did not put aside their internal differences to defend their motherland; nether do i believe in the love of Jo JA... but i loooved onscreen ones, and it such a shame that something so beautiful has been so brutally destroyed.

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SUGANYA.S

@Suganya.S

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#12

Sandy , apt title given 😳 👏
Yeah 😃 in name of NR , we have been given with so many insensible n illogical tracks in all historical dramas which r far away from THOSE ERA'S ROYALTY N ETIQUETTE 😕
I don't want to delve into those , which have been ranted enough in this forum 😊 ... And which can't be revived by any means now !!! As far as , other historic dramas .. yes , there is so many deviations wrt Leads concerned n Dramatic additions made only to spice up the storyline - which is not necessary atleast in my Pov 😕
One thing that I have learned is , take everything as FICTION😉 ... though we r delving on historical figures , who once lived in this LAND for the sake of our own SANITY 😳

Edited by Suganya.S - 10 years ago

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Sandhya.A

@Sandhya.A

Sparkler

Posted: 10 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: Coolpree
Excellent post. I have to agree with you whole hardheartedly on what you have said about this show. Some NR is essential but it must have some small semblance to history at least. Some of the tracks are so far removed from reality that it is mind boggling.
I have to disagree with you on one point though about MUZ going to one village to serve the people... I think the symbolic gesture of a leader/ first lady going to a village to serve signifies that they are with their people in their time of need instead of sitting in the luxury of their palace. Case in point here in the US the president regularly goes to a small shelter near DC to serve the homeless. OR goes to a relief camp to distribute aid packages to flood victims. Does that gesture get rid of homelessness all over the US? no it does not but it is a small gesture of solidarity. What I find more repulsive about this track is the mighty Akbar getting whipped for stealing grains and the distasteful attempted rape of his royal queen MUZ . Now that to me is unacceptable NR

Thanks.😊

As far as the medical camps are concerned, i would rather that Jodha sets up medical aid ALL OVER THE SULTANATE and administers the same. This is the day of media. If the President goes to relief camps, the WHOLE NATION gets to know of it and the message of solidarity reaches across the entire awaam/state. The safety aspect too is not compromised. But when there was no press or television and when the entire sultanate was suffering( as per the nr of course), her serving one village alone didn't seem appropriate. Had it been just one suba that was affected and MUZ and Co. went out to help the people it would have been more believable.

And yes, Akbar being whipped and weeping and begging to stay and all this to expose one Jaidev was 🤢 And wonder of wonders, the impression of the ENTIRE SULTANATE changed instantly. ( as per dialogues). Shariffu's Gulshan Grover act was worse.🤢 She was the Empress of the country, not any female relative of the angry young heroes of '70s and '80s.

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Sandhya.A

@Sandhya.A

Sparkler

Posted: 10 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: rima4ever
very well explained post 👏

Thanks Rima.😊

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Sandhya.A

@Sandhya.A

Sparkler

Posted: 10 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: ndi.anggraeni81
I agree with some point you mention bu some i disagree, serving and help people can do with so many way ans since here MUZ know medicine so she decide to open medical camp there is nothing wrong with that, just because she is a queen doesnt meant she must stay at palace and watch people suffer.
In movie and tv series which based on historical there are always pro and contra, and cant make all people satiesfield, i dont know bout other but for me tv show are just tv show no matter how they butcher historical figure character in the end it just a show, i know some people dissapoint how nr portray or jodha but its all just for entertain purpose, i learn long time a go to not expect too much from tv show which base on history not , here in indonesia that happen too.

I would have rather that Jodha opens medical camps throughout the sultanate as i have mentioned above to Coolpree.

Yes dear, all this is entertainment only, but why misuse the names of our legendary kings and queens? Why Akbar. Why not some invading king who took a fancy to an Indian princess. Why natakiya roopantar? Why not natak, if entertainment quotient is all that matters.

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ghalibmirza

@ghalibmirza

Stunner

+ 4

Posted: 10 years ago

#16

sandhya, what a brilliant post👏..i think the main drawback is that the essence of that royal aura and consistency of characterization and tracks is lost somewhere in numerous leaps introduced and then the main lead are just another daily sbs soap's katputlis rather than being royal and elegant and close to the real characters!

Edited by ghalibmirza - 10 years ago

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Kaana

@Kaana

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#17

@Chitterati, you are right that Akbar is projected better - as an emperor, intelligent, strategist etc in MP show. JA's hero fits well as a majnu not an Emperor of that class.
@Donjas, totally agree on Emperor pleAding to the almighty for his wife's life. It was still so kingly and yet the painful cry at the impending loss of a beloved. Gone are those days! To me this the favourite scene of RT, where he has made even seasoned actors look small. Such talent could have been put to better use.
Regd your comment on MP and Ashoka with a halo, agreed. But, I could tolerate extra glorification anyday compared to degradation, which leaves JA with such bad taste.
Friends,in my view I can't help this observation that Ekta has still a long way to go in making historicals. In comparison Contiloe, only in comparison, Contiloe seem much better - not this much character assassination, definitely. Also the set, dialogue quality, visual and overall presentation is better in comparison. To me, MP seem much better - as the hero though made a buddhuram in the recent track, in general, seem to be left decently. Even the bhaashans of the heroine are crisper, to the point and sensible in comparison. Heroine Ajabde is left with the royal touch. The one who played a sleuth role as a kid, post wedding to MP is shown behaving as a queen/ princess. There is a royal stature in all related characters. Even Akbar has his deserved stature though the history associated is a question by itself. Unlike JA, where the palace environment (that too a poor setup - compare it with Akbar's palace in MP), is all left to claim any royalty.
However, MP post leap is not at its best in comparison to preleap. Dunno how post leap character can change??? I am worried about the grown up Ashoka now. Also seeing Ruq continuing forever, I am terrified of a Helena vamp continuing forever with B being her bhakt. My hope is all on Ashoka, who is shown more intelligent than his dad, even on simple matters as fishing! But you can never trust post leap, you need lep to watch it.

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Sandhya.A

@Sandhya.A

Sparkler

Posted: 10 years ago

#18

@Kaana

I don't think Ashoka will go the JA way though the basic ingredients of teleserial masala are in place. Firstly as there will be no reason to buddhufy Ashoka and show him as Devi's majnu. Firstly as the hero whoever plays elder Ashoka cannot raise TRPs crying as RT did. If by any slim chance RT gets to play he can do all the crying after Kalinga. So there will be no need for Ashoka to become a doormat. Also our kings are given larger than life images. Only Akbar is an exception as he carries that invader tag. Though the first person to forsee and uphold secularism that is a chief feature of our Constitution even 500 yrs later, he is unfortunate that there is more cheer to have him at the feet our native princess.😕

Also Helena did not outlive Bindusaar or Ashoka and she can be pupunished or eliminated. So her negativity can be penalized. Except wrt Nirjara Chanakya's intellect has not been compromised yet. Bindusaar though blissfully unaware of all the scheming right under his nose, is shown basically soft. His royalty has not been compromised so far. Also all the characters have been true to their personalities and not bipolar like Ruqs. But there is no denying the Damocles Sword of NR hanging on slim threads that threatens to spoil the broth.

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Kaana

@Kaana

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: chitterati
I personally have no admiration for real Mughals or other Arab invaders or Rajputs who did not put aside their internal differences to defend their motherland]

Impressed by your this straight, honest statement.

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mishtidoi

@mishtidoi

Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

#20

Brilliant post Sandhya...totally agree with it, and with the posts of Kaana, Chitra, et al here.

But what do I say to CVs, when I'm also a culprit in this butchering, because I watch JA, out of habit or out of interest in no excuse.😕

CVs dish out crap, coz there's a viewership for it...period!!!!😡

And when no censure, no petition, no sue moto cognizance is taken of these horrible, distasteful, garbage NRs...we can happily conclude the value our history and historical figure uphold today.🥱

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