Where there is fear there is no love

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Posted: 10 years ago
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The most poignant scene of JA yesterday was Salim wanting to tell truth to Akbar while Jodha wanted to hide
Is this not typical of so many family in 21st century where mothers try to hide fault and errors of their kids from fathers to stop fights and finally it leads to big issues later?
I think Salim did right thing by speaking his heart out to Akbar in intoxication. A person usually speaks truth when intoxicated
Salim spoke truth twice both while intoxicated he revealed what was in his heart
Once in amer he told he loves anarkali very much
Second time yesterday he said he hated his father and felt uncomfortable staying in agra fort and following Akbar's rules and regulations
There is nothing wrong in both as he spoke from his heart. But why does he speak truth only in intoxication and why he is scared to tell truth when normal. Previously also Salim was scared when he hit Qadir and hid from parents. That is sign of an unhealthy child-parent relationship. A child no matter what must be groomed to come and tell parents everything about themselves the parent must build that trust in the child. If the child has no trust then fear comes and they hide everything.
I would prefer my family or friends telling me truth about what they feel for me rather than act goody goody in front and back stab me at every given opportunity in future.
Especially when a person is in powerful position and rich like Akbar he has more chamchas than real admirers who try to please him and yes boss types. So to get reality check a Salim(or birbal) kind of person is always required in real life.
Atleast now Akbar has two options
One to find why Salim hates him and his rules regulations and does not want to stay in palace and try to correct them
Second is now he knows Salim hates him so he is not in any illusion of his love/loyalty and can pre empt future actions against him
Now why is Salim so angry at Akbar
One reason is he always takes decision unilateral without asking Salim like his wedding or walihaad post etc. These are important decisions of life and least a child expect is parents ask him what profession he likes? Whom he wants to marry? Because if human not happy with profession and marriage he cannot live happily till death. He will just regret all life why he choose this profession this wife etc. And in india elders always think that they should decide their child life as their parents decided their life. This cycle continues generation after generation leading to frustrated family members and citizens. Now can Salim remove anger on his mom-dad no so instead like all humans do he shall remove anger on himself by drinking/hafim etc and ignoring his wives or getting angry on subordinates and removing his frustrations on them.
Is this not what everyone is doing even today?
Teacher is angry at being forced to choose profession or has fights at home and remove anger by not teaching properly or punishing children badly.
The child shall keep anger in mind and when it becomes big shall rag smaller kids
Manager has frustrations at home and shouts at subordinates
When subordinate becomes manager he will remove anger on his subordibnates
Scooter or car driver angry with life and over work goes and rams into nearest pedestrian
Is this not what every person is doing removing their anger on somebody/something on another person in life? Its a cycle that never stops.
So all of us must be aware a person may keep quiet and act well when we misbehave and force him to live as per our desires because he has no choice or option and dependent on us but he shall go and remove that frustration and anger on others who are less fortunate than him or who depend on him its a cycle.
Every human is an individual and desires freedom especially on important matters of life. When that freedom is denied by anyone be it family, work place, profession etc that leads to frustration, rage, self destruction, addictions, unhappy family relation etc
That is where a Salim's rage is justified in some sense. These are warning signals as a kid he had no option but to take punishments and go to war field. But now he is no child that Akbar shall slap, shout and order around and he will do that. Now he shall start opposing what he feels is wrong, what he dislikes, what he does not want to do. So pressuring him more and getting angry will only complicate matters. A parent, an elder, a boss etc must know when to stop least the person explodes or does bhagawat. The threshold is nearing for Salim and Akbar instead of understanding this and trying to find where he went wrong is pushing his limits.
Its like in circus you hit a animal 100 times it takes it 101 time it attacks the trainer. Its same with an human too. Instead of Akbar understanding this he is going on getting angry, shouting, slapping Salim for how long? Anarkali affair will explode and that is when Salim will defy Akbar not only for denying his love but for all the past punishments and past wrongs.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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i agree with you prem!
nice post 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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The most selfish & spineless character of JA is Salim .. even anar's characterization is far far better & stronger compared to this salim's portrayal ..salim has past record of blaming others for his own weakness 🤢 wtever was the reason but the way he behaved wd his own parents infront of everyone in farhaan bela track was not acceptable🤬 ...chiii such a selfish character ...Now he is totally beyond redemption cant believe he is jajo's son 👎🏼
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Posted: 10 years ago
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The very fact is Salim did not tell the truth about where he went. He said he hated is father, he hated staying in the palace. Is this really the truth.

Jalal had made it clear to Salim that the announcement of the engagement was a gift from parents and as Parents they wanted to fulfill his wish. So at this point why did he not open his mouth and talk to his parents.

Jodha asked him many times, so why is Salim remaining Mum. I cannot Support this Salim anymore. There was a time I felt sympathy for him, but not anymore. He had many chances to open up and he did not.

Blaming everything on the Parents is an easy escape out.

Anar seems more matured, sensible...This Salim is looking to put blame on others


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...SoniSona...

The most selfish & spineless character of JA is Salim .. even anar's characterization is far far better & stronger compared to this salim's portrayal ..salim has past record of blaming others for his own weakness 🤢 wtever was the reason but the way he behaved wd his own parents infront of everyone in farhaan bela track was not acceptable🤬 ...chiii such a selfish character ...Now he is totally beyond redemption cant believe he is jajo's son 👎🏼

Akbar and Jodha themselves are no great parent material and we cannot blame Salim for everything.

Did Akbar behave fine when he ordered Salim going and staying in an old woman house? No
Even in 21st century if an adult hits someone by mistake its accident not murder and a 8 year old child its definetly not a big crime to warrant such punishment
Further Akbar sending a 9 year old boy to war field away from family, friends into the cruel bad world of war for just burning a taqt or drinking a glass of wine and watching dance is wrong. Even daniyal, murad and haider drank that day. Why are they not punished same way? If anyone deserved a punishment it was haider for making them drink he was 15-16 years old and should not have made his younger brothers drink.
And making a child stand in hot sun full day just because he did not ask sorry was not right too
Then Akbar ordering arrow to be shot because Salim do not want bela marrying Akbar is again gross.
Salim is helpless he is still dependent on parents for roti, kapda and makan so there is no other way he can oppose them or remove his frustration. Does not Akbar shout at him, slap him for small things or get angry for simple things at him so how come if Salim gets angry he is wrong. He is human not a doll to just obey orders of others and do as others want.
Akbar himself was no great son how he misbehave with hamida and treat maham as mom when own mom alive? How he give taana to hamida now and then?
Akbar only want mom, son, wife to do as per his saying he never listen to their viewpoint. Only Salim has some braveness to oppose or speak as it is. Others are just keeping quiet although frustrated as they want good relations and nice life and not want to enter Akbar's bad books. Only a birbal and Salim is talking and showing him what people feel in general about him and his decisions.
Of course Salim can say it in better ways no doubts about it but even Akbar has to put some effort to understand where he is wrong or why Salim angry with him.
Jodha instead of going to Salim when Akbar got angry should have kept eye on him long back what he does where he goes what he likes dislikes etc. Jodha should not lie to Akbar its best they sit and sort this matter else it shall become big issue.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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nice post prem
i will not blame salim fully for all that he does
somewhere akdha had also failed as parents
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

Akbar and Jodha themselves are no great parent material and we cannot blame Salim for everything.

Did Akbar behave fine when he ordered Salim going and staying in an old woman house? No
Even in 21st century if an adult hits someone by mistake its accident not murder and a 8 year old child its definetly not a big crime to warrant such punishment
Further Akbar sending a 9 year old boy to war field away from family, friends into the cruel bad world of war for just burning a taqt or drinking a glass of wine and watching dance is wrong. Even daniyal, murad and haider drank that day. Why are they not punished same way? If anyone deserved a punishment it was haider for making them drink he was 15-16 years old and should not have made his younger brothers drink.
And making a child stand in hot sun full day just because he did not ask sorry was not right too
Then Akbar ordering arrow to be shot because Salim do not want bela marrying Akbar is again gross.
Salim is helpless he is still dependent on parents for roti, kapda and makan so there is no other way he can oppose them or remove his frustration. Does not Akbar shout at him, slap him for small things or get angry for simple things at him so how come if Salim gets angry he is wrong. He is human not a doll to just obey orders of others and do as others want.
Akbar himself was no great son how he misbehave with hamida and treat maham as mom when own mom alive? How he give taana to hamida now and then?
Akbar only want mom, son, wife to do as per his saying he never listen to their viewpoint. Only Salim has some braveness to oppose or speak as it is. Others are just keeping quiet although frustrated as they want good relations and nice life and not want to enter Akbar's bad books. Only a birbal and Salim is talking and showing him what people feel in general about him and his decisions.
Of course Salim can say it in better ways no doubts about it but even Akbar has to put some effort to understand where he is wrong or why Salim angry with him.
Jodha instead of going to Salim when Akbar got angry should have kept eye on him long back what he does where he goes what he likes dislikes etc. Jodha should not lie to Akbar its best they sit and sort this matter else it shall become big issue.


i Agree both jajo also should be blamed for this🥱🥱 ... But my HATE for salim character has reached such a point that i dont feel sorry for him now ... THAT BELA FARHAN track RUINED salim's character totally ... AUDIENCE WILL NEVER ACCEPT SUCH WORTHLESS SON WHO talk so rudely wd his own parents that too infront of everone ..WHATEVER was the reason or situation salim's beahviour wd his parents was totally unjustified 👎🏼 HE is not 8 yr kid now .. itneee bade bade lambee lambeee dialogues abt LOVE doesnot suits on such selfish character ...🤢🤢
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

Akbar and Jodha themselves are no great parent material and we cannot blame Salim for everything.

Did Akbar behave fine when he ordered Salim going and staying in an old woman house? No
Even in 21st century if an adult hits someone by mistake its accident not murder and a 8 year old child its definetly not a big crime to warrant such punishment
Further Akbar sending a 9 year old boy to war field away from family, friends into the cruel bad world of war for just burning a taqt or drinking a glass of wine and watching dance is wrong. Even daniyal, murad and haider drank that day. Why are they not punished same way? If anyone deserved a punishment it was haider for making them drink he was 15-16 years old and should not have made his younger brothers drink.
And making a child stand in hot sun full day just because he did not ask sorry was not right too
Then Akbar ordering arrow to be shot because Salim do not want bela marrying Akbar is again gross.
Salim is helpless he is still dependent on parents for roti, kapda and makan so there is no other way he can oppose them or remove his frustration. Does not Akbar shout at him, slap him for small things or get angry for simple things at him so how come if Salim gets angry he is wrong. He is human not a doll to just obey orders of others and do as others want.
Akbar himself was no great son how he misbehave with hamida and treat maham as mom when own mom alive? How he give taana to hamida now and then?
Akbar only want mom, son, wife to do as per his saying he never listen to their viewpoint. Only Salim has some braveness to oppose or speak as it is. Others are just keeping quiet although frustrated as they want good relations and nice life and not want to enter Akbar's bad books. Only a birbal and Salim is talking and showing him what people feel in general about him and his decisions.
Of course Salim can say it in better ways no doubts about it but even Akbar has to put some effort to understand where he is wrong or why Salim angry with him.
Jodha instead of going to Salim when Akbar got angry should have kept eye on him long back what he does where he goes what he likes dislikes etc. Jodha should not lie to Akbar its best they sit and sort this matter else it shall become big issue.


@Bold blue- OHH PLSSS DONT COMPARE JALAL wd salim 😃... HE IS NO where near to him in characterization (may be cv's did this intentionally who knows 😆) . Can u tell me one scene where akbar behaved so rudely nd uttered such CHEAP SADAKCHAAP WORDS for HB the same way as like salim in farhan bela track ... ???? I FOLLOWED JA from epi 1 as per my knowledge jalal was NOT close to HB but still he gave much respect to HB ... Not like THIS SALIM who dont even know how to talk wd his own parents ..LOVE RESPECT tooo bahuttt duuur kii baat haiii 😲😲
Edited by ...SoniSona.... - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...SoniSona...


@Bold blue- OHH PLSSS DONT COMPARE JALAL wd salim 😃... HE IS NO where near to him in characterization (may be cv's did this intentionally who knows 😆) . Can u tell me one scene where akbar behaved so rudely nd uttered such CHEAP SADAKCHAAP WORDS for HB the same way as like salim in farhan bela track ... ???? I FOLLOWED JA from epi 1 as per my knowledge jalal was NOT close to HB but still he gave much respect to HB ... Not like THIS SALIM who dont even know how to talk wd his own parents ..LOVE RESPECT tooo bahuttt duuur kii baat haiii 😲😲

Pls watch JA 2013-2014 initiates Akbar misbehave very badly more than salim with hamida

When Hamida welcome him in agra back she give him kheer and Maham stops saying it has poison. Akbar not only keeps quiet but says you feed me kheer badi ammi, even pison shall become amrit blah blah
Which son will say that to an own mother?
Next he says once I remember you when I see orphan kids on road side, you left me and went like that only.
Again back in agra when hamida says something he abuses her so many instances are there
So how he act saintly he abused his mom and misbehave too much and angry with Salim for calling mom MUZ etc uff
Parents always have one set of rules for themselves and one for their kids

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