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Posted: 10 years ago
#51

Hely thr is diff bet lust and love...if jalal forgets jo and goes to rukku then this is not epic love story..both jalal and jo r angry on god..jalal is angry stilll being nekdil and so many duas frm his awaam failed to save his kids..so he is angry...its an insult to jodhas love...plz dont tell jalal dont love jo ...u no wen he was in rage he doent no wat he talks..its d same jalal who told jo that he il not see her face even if she dies...but wen she was on death bed he almost lost his life


Wo pyar hi nahi jo pal bar main mitjata aur marjjata...and these two r soul mates...dont take thr words seriously...at d end its JA ...how cud u even think that he il forget jo...iska matlab wo jeena aur saans lena hi bhool jayega...just remember epi one and thr soul talk...u il find answers to all ur questions..have faith in thr love...


Originally posted by: hely

amazing analysis...
As always Ruqs has overdone her motherly affection,ruks was made a first class idiot,that can think straight,what to do killing the kid wouldn't have change anything

but im glad SB saved that kid's life Jodha who should be in
much more pain was more of inner pain n guilt that hurts her inside.
She didn't wail like she did for Hassan but she cannot forgive h/self of
being with Jalal at the cost of Husain life. Jalal is really very very
hurt, but it has turned him into cruel character which is not
appreciable at all. Jalal is also sailing on the same boat as Jodha. But he
took the wrong route ease his pain n grief. Many say it's nice to the
old jallad is back. Yuck! that was a bad idea. They have brought the
changes into Jalal's character slowly n swiftly and the transformation was
beautiful. Why they ruined it???
WOW! what punishment zeenat and qasim got..cvs just received the world record for most idiotic punishment...smh a moronic conclusion to zeenat and qasims chapter poison and a fatal stab, SERIOUSLY??when compared to their crime,the punishment they received was a breeze and the poor kids suffered to death...this is one messed up epi


Can a King change overnight?? Jodha just watching not to able to do
anything?? or she do not want to do anything? Perhaps she thinks it's
her love has failed causing their son's life.

She is afraid she'll be
reminded of her Husain if she come near Jalal.and jalal also said now he has no DIL or mohabbt indirectly he was indicating towards jodha...coz NO dil n mohabbat means NO jodha i feel jalal doesnt love jodha anymore.. now jalal will get close to ruku again..n ruk will rule on jalal's mind..like before after seeing jallad jalal ruq will be happy dt jalal is back to her..n jodha has gone from jalal's dil..i dont want jodha preggy then jalal also tuns in human coz if this will happen then it means jalal doesnt love jodha he cares only abt baby not jodha i will hate it when JJ seperate cause of making love n then reunite again cause of jo's pregnancy..How n when Jalal will be good
again n when Jodha will come out the grief??ja n jo needs to be each other support now more than ever
its neither joja fault da one to be blamed is ruku cz shes da one who trusted zeenat

cant jajo think????? ehhh

Why Ruqs confrontation not done. How long will she tag along with JJ.

One request to Cv, pls pls don't make Jodha pregy with Salim so soon. We
want JJ to ride thru this storm victoriously and get rid of all their
enemies

precap looks like ja is back to his old self

cruel n heartless😈

i can imagine jo goes n stops ja n he lashes out at her or he pushes her

n den barmal taking jo to amer

wt these cvs nothing can be done

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Posted: 10 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: hely

amazing analysis...
As always Ruqs has overdone her motherly affection,ruks was made a first class idiot,that can think straight,what to do killing the kid wouldn't have change anything
but im glad SB saved that kid's life Jodha who should be in much more pain was more of inner pain n guilt that hurts her inside. She didn't wail like she did for Hassan but she cannot forgive h/self of being with Jalal at the cost of Husain life. Jalal is really very very hurt, but it has turned him into cruel character which is not appreciable at all. Jalal is also sailing on the same boat as Jodha. But he took the wrong route ease his pain n grief. Many say it's nice to the old jallad is back. Yuck! that was a bad idea. They have brought the changes into Jalal's character slowly n swiftly and the transformation was beautiful. Why they ruined it???
WOW! what punishment zeenat and qasim got..cvs just received the world record for most idiotic punishment...smh a moronic conclusion to zeenat and qasims chapter poison and a fatal stab, SERIOUSLY??when compared to their crime,the punishment they received was a breeze and the poor kids suffered to death...this is one messed up epi

Can a King change overnight?? Jodha just watching not to able to do anything?? or she do not want to do anything? Perhaps she thinks it's her love has failed causing their son's life.

She is afraid she'll be reminded of her Husain if she come near Jalal.and jalal also said now he has no DIL or mohabbt indirectly he was indicating towards jodha...coz NO dil n mohabbat means NO jodha i feel jalal doesnt love jodha anymore.. now jalal will get close to ruku again..n ruk will rule on jalal's mind..like before after seeing jallad jalal ruq will be happy dt jalal is back to her..n jodha has gone from jalal's dil..i dont want jodha preggy then jalal also tuns in human coz if this will happen then it means jalal doesnt love jodha he cares only abt baby not jodha i will hate it when JJ seperate cause of making love n then reunite again cause of jo's pregnancy..How n when Jalal will be good again n when Jodha will come out the grief??ja n jo needs to be each other support now more than ever
its neither joja fault da one to be blamed is ruku cz shes da one who trusted zeenat
cant jajo think????? ehhh
Why Ruqs confrontation not done. How long will she tag along with JJ.
One request to Cv, pls pls don't make Jodha pregy with Salim so soon. We want JJ to ride thru this storm victoriously and get rid of all their enemies

precap looks like ja is back to his old self
cruel n heartless😈
i can imagine jo goes n stops ja n he lashes out at her or he pushes her
n den barmal taking jo to amer
wt these cvs nothing can be done

Hely, I really like your post very much! You have praised what needs to be praised, pooh-poohed what needs to be pooh-poohed and given it all straight and ruthlessly! Wow!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Mansi, i think they will show that something will happen that will make ruku blurt abt her misdeeds... and that will be her exposure...

but i think let's wait, to see which track they will now start parallal to this one now, and finally both tracks will combine again to this Ruku exposure..

hope that hot hot SR doesn't lead to Jo's second pregnancy...

Yes Diksha, she may be feeling so overconfident after her finishing up of Zeenat that she well trip over her own shoe laces! As you said in your post, her larger game of becoming the MUZ is over. Now we may get this "confession" so we have to be alert for that!
I think the second SR was really so that Jalal and Jodha can both have a mutual distancing because they blame themselves for it and then of course the Creatives can again do this loving reunion (the formula is a known TRP puller).
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I agree with u Mansi.
I am also li'l disappointed given Qasim-Zeenat didnt die in Jalal's hand...they r gunehgaar of JJ...but they were killed by some other which didnt go well with me.
Zeenat's death is ok to me..no one could have done it other than Ruqaiyya..but Qasim should have been died in Jalal's hand..though the brutal stabbing was horrifying but then he was already dead.

beher hal, the grieve of JJ was very much understandable...but it is temporary..Jodha is feeling guilty for not being available to his son when he was taking his last breath...and Jalal is in extreme rage that he has been protecting his whole awam from enemies till now but his own sons r killed in his own fort and he couldnt do anything! both lost their sons..and it cannot be understood by anyone who didnt go through this pain..pain of losing child is the worst pain in this world...and JJ lost their twin sons one after one that too were killed!! its horrible.

Jalal will be back to his ruthless self...which is fair enough...he was in that stage before too but he transformed to a lovey dovey one in middle and now again going back to the old-self but this time he has a heart to his loved ones but heartless to his enemies...he will maintain the balance...he will have both the personas...loving and ruthless.
to me, we r going to see the best of Jalal now.

u can see a critical difference between Ruqaiyya and Jodha...while the former was busy at hurling insults and the latter one is drown in guilt thinking she couldnt save her son..this is the way one can see who is the mother...a mother's love is selfless...everything takes a backseat only the child matters.

I agree with u that both JJ r at guilt that they were making love while their son was breathing his last...which is very natural..probably they will keep their own mutual distance given the guilt in their minds...in between Bharmal may offer Jalal to take away Jodha to get over the trauma..and Jalal giving permission for that for Jodha's sake...we will see lots of war with Jalal's active participation...beech beech mein like u said the longing for each other.

I dont know about others but I am excited for this new change in JA...it looks very interesting to me.

about Ruqaiyya, if our luck is good, she will do another blunder and this new Jalal will cut his ties off with her..this time he is not the one to let go.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: tamy267

I agree with u Mansi.

I am also li'l disappointed given Qasim-Zeenat didnt die in Jalal's hand...they r gunehgaar of JJ...but they were killed by some other which didnt go well with me.
Zeenat's death is ok to me..no one could have done it other than Ruqaiyya..but Qasim should have been died in Jalal's hand..though the brutal stabbing was horrifying but then he was already dead.

beher hal, the grieve of JJ was very much understandable...but it is temporary..Jodha is feeling guilty for not being available to his son when he was taking his last breath...and Jalal is in extreme rage that he has been protecting his whole awam from enemies till now but his own sons r killed in his own fort and he couldnt do anything! both lost their sons..and it cannot be understood by anyone who didnt go through this pain..pain of losing child is the worst pain in this world...and JJ lost their twin sons one after one that too were killed!! its horrible.

Jalal will be back to his ruthless self...which is fair enough...he was in that stage before too but he transformed to a lovey dovey one in middle and now again going back to the old-self but this time he has a heart to his loved ones but heartless to his enemies...he will maintain the balance...he will have both the personas...loving and ruthless.
to me, we r going to see the best of Jalal now.

u can see a critical difference between Ruqaiyya and Jodha...while the former was busy at hurling insults and the latter one is drown in guilt thinking she couldnt save her son..this is the way one can see who is the mother...a mother's love is selfless...everything takes a backseat only the child matters.

I agree with u that both JJ r at guilt that they were making love while their son was breathing his last...which is very natural..probably they will keep their own mutual distance given the guilt in their minds...in between Bharmal may offer Jalal to take away Jodha to get over the trauma..and Jalal giving permission for that for Jodha's sake...we will see lots of war with Jalal's active participation...beech beech mein like u said the longing for each other.

I dont know about others but I am excited for this new change in JA...it looks very interesting to me.

about Ruqaiyya, if our luck is good, she will do another blunder and this new Jalal will cut his ties off with her..this time he is not the one to let go.

Yes Tamy, in a way seeing Jalal caught by his enemies was also not very palatable to us (as in the Abul mali/Shehnaaz track). So we would ideally like a Jalal who has a heart for his loved ones and is fierce and ruthless with his enemies instead of getting taken for a ride by them. Jalal does need to get a bit sharper and less tolerant of Sharif, for starters! So a bit of going back to the jallad will help him perhaps give Sharif the treatment he deserves. To Jodha and the others he loves he won't be able to sink his heart fully ever. Once your heart is opened up, its tough to close it up completely!
Edited by skanda12 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#56
My Dear Mansi Di may God grant your wish...!!! You and Diksha are Positivity personified... Stay like this forever...
I have some strange feeling after yesterday's episode... I really don't think I would be able to Watch the show anymore... Or atleast I should take a months break from it... Next week is Diwali and Bhai Doj and I don't want to ruin it...

The thing which is making me upset is... When Jodha after going through such a Painful labour and worst possible delivery there is not a single soul in Agra who thanked her for giving two beautiful kids... But after the kids death there was not even a single soul to stop Ruqaiyya from blaming Jodha for killing her own children or to stand up for her... I am excluding Jalal this time..

I am okay with Jallad Jalal and his blaming God or turning away from God and also his not opening his mouth to shut up Ruqaiyya (only in yesterday's episode) coz I can very well understand his pain, his agony his frustration, his anguish... He lost both his first borns... Even being a Sahensha the most powerful man in India... He couldn't save his children...user se it was his cousin, member of his family killed his sons ruthlessly
And to top it all when his child needed his parents the most... Both his parents were busy in eachothers arm... Such a big and heavy burden it must be... And I know these things are enough for him to think like this... And these kinds of reactions are natural...


I don't want Jodha pregnant as a consequence of that 2nd SR and also not for bringing Jalal back to his senses, it will look so bad... I have a feeling that sometimes will happen to Jodha that will bring him back to his senses...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi mansi. Thanks for making such an encouraging post. I must admit that I was feeling pretty low after the episode. But your post has given me some hope. Yes I was disappointed with the way zeenat and kasim were killed. Zeenat I can understand that ruks might have wanted to shut her up, but quasim should have been killed by jalal. Any ways, now the thing is that jalal is going to turn back into the old jalal. Mansi, I think here that he stop will realize that he has changed for good. It is not possible for him to stay away from jodha as she is not only his heart, but now, she is his life, his breath. He cannot do without her. Ruks may try to take advantage of the fact that jalal is the old jalal. But no one can fill jodha's space in his life. Jalal will understand that it is impossible to completely remove the heart that jodha has made him realise he had. But he will learn to keep the balance of the mind and the heart. Jodha on the other hand will blame herself and her love for causing jalal the pain of losing her child. That is why she is in a shell and in the precap when she sees jalal back to his earlier self, she hardly bothers to stop him. Hamida has to call her. She is thinking too that her goodness was not rewarded by God. But she too after RUKAIYA being exposed will lose all guilt and will realise that you cannot be forgiving to everyone. Just like jalal learnt kindness and the softer emotions from her, she will have to imbibe the strong emotions of ruthlessness towards the people who come between her and jalal and her and her kids. Moreover she will also realise that even if jalal is back to his old self, she cannot stop loving him. She will learn to accept and love the jalal with this cruel streak. That is when they completely accept each other and no matter how they are they cannot live without each other. I hope this is the way things are going to go. You are right mansi, there are too many questions left unanswered. This cannot be the end. I donot think jodha will get pregnant so soon. She might just before or after ruks bhandaphod. Anyways mahachuchak is going to attack and this old jalal will create havoc. Let's see how both jodha and jalal return to normalcy. Bharmal is there probably there to guard the harem and palace in his absence. I donot think any amer trip will be there. Cause both of them only can heal each other from this loss. It would be good to see that even if jalal tries, he cannot be heartless when it comes to jodha. I just don't want this phase to last too long cause I too am repulsed when I see ruks on my screen.
Edited by karishma.s - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: surochitadutta

My Dear Mansi Di may God grant your wish...!!! You and Diksha are Positivity personified... Stay like this forever...

I have some strange feeling after yesterday's episode... I really don't think I would be able to Watch the show anymore... Or atleast I should take a months break from it... Next week is Diwali and Bhai Doj and I don't want to ruin it...

The thing which is making me upset is... When Jodha after going through such a Painful labour and worst possible delivery there is not a single soul in Agra who thanked her for giving two beautiful kids... But after the kids death there was not even a single soul to stop Ruqaiyya from blaming Jodha for killing her own children or to stand up for her... I am excluding Jalal this time..

I am okay with Jallad Jalal and his blaming God or turning away from God and also his not opening his mouth to shut up Ruqaiyya (only in yesterday's episode) coz I can very well understand his pain, his agony his frustration, his anguish... He lost both his first borns... Even being a Sahensha the most powerful man in India... He couldn't save his children...user se it was his cousin, member of his family killed his sons ruthlessly
And to top it all when his child needed his parents the most... Both his parents were busy in eachothers arm... Such a big and heavy burden it must be... And I know these things are enough for him to think like this... And these kinds of reactions are natural...


I don't want Jodha pregnant as a consequence of that 2nd SR and also not for bringing Jalal back to his senses, it will look so bad... I have a feeling that sometimes will happen to Jodha that will bring him back to his senses...

Surochita, I can fully appreciate your frustration on behalf of Jodha, although as you say I like to stay "positivity personified"😆😆😆😆
But I just want to tell you that after watching these serials for close on ten years, I have seen a pattern that these CVs keep repeating. Understanding that pattern helps to keep positive. See the CVs are not exactly trying to "glorify their vamps" ... actually they are trying to make "saints out their heroines" ... especially Ekta.
What they seem to do unfailingly is to make the vamp the world's most cussed creature just to show the "extreme saintliness" of the "strong and unbreakable heroines". Here we all will be moaning and groaning that our heroines are being treated like doormats and there the CVs will be patting themselves on the back thinking "By Jove, we took her to break point and showed yet again what stuff she's made of, bravo to us!"
That's why to us it looks like "glorification of vamps". But just turn the whole thing around and you'll see the perspective that the CVs are coming from and what the hell they are trying so hard to do.
I just thought I'll share this observation with you, but I still know it will not take away the pain you feel on Jodha's behalf. Just that I've seen this happening day in and day out in every serial ... because half the serials belong to Ekta where she loves torturing her heroines at the hands of vamps just to show how strong the heroines are ... and the rest of the serials unfortunately love to ape Ekta hoping to be as successful as her!
Edited by skanda12 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: karishma.s

Hi mansi. Thanks for making such an encouraging post. I must admit that I was feeling pretty low after the episode. But your post has given me some hope. Yes I was disappointed with the way zeenat and kasim were killed. Zeenat I can understand that ruks might have wanted to shut her up, but quasim should have been killed by jalal. Any ways, now the thing is that jalal is going to turn back into the old jalal. Mansi, I think here that he stop will realize that he has changed for good. It is not possible for him to stay away from jodha as she is not only his heart, but now, she is his life, his breath. He cannot do without her. Ruks may try to take advantage of the fact that jalal is the old jalal. But no one can fill jodha's space in his life. Jalal will understand that it is impossible to completely remove the heart that jodha has made him realise he had. But he will learn to keep the balance of the mind and the heart. Jodha on the other hand will blame herself and her love for causing jalal the pain of losing her child. That is why she is in a shell and in the precap when she sees jalal back to his earlier self, she hardly bothers to stop him. Hamida has to call her. She is thinking too that her goodness was not rewarded by God. But she too after RUKAIYA being exposed will lose all guilt and will realise that you cannot be forgiving to everyone. Just like jalal learnt kindness and the softer emotions from her, she will have to imbibe the strong emotions of ruthlessness towards the people who come between her and jalal and her and her kids. Moreover she will also realise that even if jalal is back to his old self, she cannot stop loving him. She will learn to accept and love the jalal with this cruel streak. That is when they completely accept each other and no matter how they are they cannot live without each other. I hope this is the way things are going to go. You are right mansi, there are too many questions left unanswered. This cannot be the end. I donot think jodha will get pregnant so soon. She might just before or after ruks bhandaphod. Anyways mahachuchak is going to attack and this old jalal will create havoc. Let's see how both jodha and jalal return to normalcy. Bharmal is there probably there to guard the harem and palace in his absence. I donot think any amer trip will be there. Cause both of them only can heal each other from this loss. It would be good to see that even if jalal tries, he cannot be heartless when it comes to jodha. I just don't want this phase to last too long cause I too am repulsed when I see ruks on my screen.

That part that I marked in blue is brilliant!👏👏👏👏👏
You are right, today the Zee man says there will be no separation or Amer trip at all, so let's see if he's telling the truth or not!
I am getting half my fun from the serial and the other half of my fun from the way we are all baiting the Zee man!😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
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Mansi aapki charan sparsh karna hai...ap mahaan ho...apke paas itna patience kaha se aye hai...main 1.4yrs se daile soap dek rahi hoon...wo bi sirf JA...aur muje lagraha hai is show katam hone ke pehle hi muje apni family mental hospital main barti karwadenge... This is my first and last daily soap...


Originally posted by: skanda12


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Surochita, I can fully appreciate your frustration on behalf of Jodha, although as you say I like to stay "positivity personified"😆


But I just want to tell you that after watching these serials for close on ten years, I have seen a pattern that these CVs keep repeating. Understanding that pattern helps to keep positive. See the CVs are not exactly trying to "glorify their vamps" ... actually they are trying to make "saints out their heroines" ... especially Ekta.


What they seem to do unfailingly is to make the vamp the world's most cussed creature just to show the "extreme saintliness" of the "strong and unbreakable heroines". Here we all will be moaning and groaning that our heroines are being treated like doormats and there the CVs will be patting themselves on the back thinking "By Jove, we took her to break point and showed yet again what stuff she's made of, bravo to us!"


That's why to us it looks like "glorification of vamps". But just turn the whole thing around and you'll see the perspective that the CVs are coming from and what the hell they are trying so hard to do.


I just thought I'll share this observation with you, but I still know it will not take away the pain you feel on Jodha's behalf. Just that I've seen this happening day in and day out in every serial ... because half the serials belong to Ekta where she loves torturing her heroines at the hands of vamps just to show how strong the heroines are ... and the rest of the serials unfortunately love to ape Ekta hoping to be as successful as her!

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