Zeenat creates a fire hungama and poisons one kid ... but which one?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Friends, sorry I couldn't reply most of the posts on my thread yesterday due to a mother of a power cut. But I am happy to be back with a bang today with this post, because I think a very interesting stage has been reached in the serial now.

What has happened is that through the smart thinking of Birbal, Jalal yesterday did not expose his real babies to the praja. He instead stashed his real babies in the palace in the care of his mother and Gulbadan Begum, and instead made Jodha and Ruqaiaya carry some dolls to the jashn. Jalal then presented these dolls with well hidden faces to the public as his sons Hasan and Hussein and thus ensured that not only were his sons safe but the praja were also happy to see "their princes".

Now to make things short, Zeenat had been looking for the real princes, the moment she spotted that both Ruq and Jodha were merely carrying dolls. Where could the princes be? She cleverly deciphered that all evening at the jashn Hamida had not made her appearance, and putting two and two together she knew Hamida must be looking after the real princes inside the palace somewhere. But where?

She managed to find the princes inside the palace in one of the rooms eventually, being guarded by Hamida, Gulbadan and a whole host of bandhis. Now Zeenat, bent on poisoning one or both of the kids needed to act fast to create a fracas inside the room where Hamida was, so that the princes would remain unattended for several moments while she poisoned them by allowing them to suck her poison-filled finger-glove.

With some adroit thinking, Zeenat switched to bandhi clothes and then set fire to the area just outside Hamida's room. A frantic chaos ensued when people started running hither and thither for safety from the fire, and no one was really worrying about the princes. Zeenat found one baby fast asleep and the other one awake. She quickly dipped her finger glove into some honey and then gave it to the baby that was awake to suck. And then she said the ominous words to herself "In five days you will be history, my dear boy!"

Jalal, Jodha and Ruq, hearing of the fire ran to the room where Hamida was, little knowing what had happened in their absence. Hamida also reassured them that all was okay now and under control and the babies were fine, just where they had been kept earlier! Ruq and Jodha snatched up and hugged their babies, but a frisson of suspicion kept nagging at Jalal's mind as to how a fire may have so suddenly started so close to the princes' room. He conferred with Mansingh and Birbal, and while Mansingh thought it could be an accident, the astute Birbal was also rather suspicious about the fire. Jalal charged Mansingh to get to the bottom of the matter.

But meanwhile Qasim and his wife were discussing the issue. Zeenat admitted that while she had successfully poisoned one baby, she knew not which one, because both were so identical and similarly dressed too. Qasim said "What does it matter? We wanted to blind Jalal in both eyes, we have blinded him at least in one eye now by getting at one of his sons." Zeenat said "By tomorrow, we will know which baby took in the poison because the signs will start showing!"

Now there are two things that happened thereafter ... in the precap we see Ruq carrying a baby which is frothing at the mouth and we may easily mistake that it was Ruq's baby that was poisoned. But I think the precap was deliberately misleading ... for very shortly after we have been shown the new promo where it becomes clear that it may have been Jodha's baby that Ruq was carrying in the precap which was frothing at the mouth from poison.

The promo suggests that after Jodha's baby dies, Jalal insists that Ruq return the remaining alive baby to Jodha, but Ruq refuses saying it's her baby ... and its now her ticket to the MUZ title!

What happens from here on becomes very interesting ...

What I think will happen now after seeing the promo ...

I think that Birbal will again come to the fore with an extra smart solution. When Ruq refuses to give the remaining baby back to Jodha, Birbal may say "As per the rules of the farman under which Ruq took the baby from Jodha in the first place, it was said that since Jodha was having two babies, and so long as there are two babies, the elder one will be retained by Jodha while the younger one would be given to Ruq. But this clause is contingent on there being two babies. Now that there is only one baby, the clause does not operate and thus Ruq does not get the baby, and Jodha gets back the one baby. The next time Jodha has twins, perhaps Ruq can ask for one of them!"

I think some such cleverness will be demonstrated by Birbal. All this presupposes of course that Jodha's baby dies within the next two episodes, and Jodha is left without a baby and therefore this promo scene happens by say next Tuesday?

I am not sure if for good measure Jalal also applied the reverse farman on Ruq that it was she who hired the unreliable Zeenat to care for Hussein and since Zeenat has turned out to be a murderess, Ruq also stands in violation of the reverse farman terms - whereby she has to demonstrate that she is a good mother ... and hence she also has to return the baby to Jodha under the reverse farman terms.

(If this reverse farman is also to be used by Jalal to completely force Ruq's hand, it would have to mean that Jalal and Birbal and Mansingh have discovered that it was Zeenat who poisoned the baby after lighting the fire and Zeenat and Qasim have been exposed and they have admitted to the crime and they have been caught and jailed, and only after that Jalal may be asking Ruq to give the baby back.)

One further question needs to cleared here ... there could be some 0.00001% chance that Ruq may herself have hired Zeenat to kill Jodha's baby? At least the thought will cross Jalal's mind, I am sure, if he finds that Ruq is now left with the surviving baby and is claiming he is the waaris and she is the only candidate for the MUZ title?

So I do think that Jalal will be looking at Ruq's role in all this with a lot of narrow-eyed scrutiny. At the present moment, though, it looks like Zeenat was an independent operator and she and Qasim had their own agenda to kill Jalal's babies and the poison was just given to the awake baby without clarity on whose baby it was. But if Jalal and Birbal were to study the situation closely and ask "Who benefits most from all that has happened ... the fire, the death of Hasan and the survival of Hussein ..." the motives would be there to make Ruq look like a possible conspirator with Zeenat.

So all will be clear regarding depth of Ruq's involvement, for us and for Jalal, only after Zeenat has testified that she and her husband acted together and Ruq was not in their conspiracy!

But nevertheless, Jalal's closeness to Ruq will be damaged simply because he too now wants the remaining baby back with Jodha which Ruq is not allowing to happen much to his disgust. In the promo, Jalal looks fearfully disgusted with Ruq and checkmated by her! Jalal looks like he needs the brains of Birbal working for him. Poor Jodha is wringing her hands in melancholy frustration. How must she feel after seeing one of her babies dead and the other one's return being refused by Ruq?

What will Ruq do if she has to give back the surviving baby to Jodha?

I think if Birbal uses this "two babies need to be alive for you to get one baby" clause at Ruq, and/or if Jalal uses this "reverse farman" to further force Ruq to return Hussein to Jodha, Ruq will be furious and now realise that she has to get the baby back to get the MUZ title.

This may be when Ruq decides after being checkmated by Birbal and Jalal, and having to return the baby, that Jodha needs to be slow-poisoned so that she is unable to care for the baby and thus Jalal will give the baby back to Ruq and Ruq can become the MUZ with Hussein as hers!

But I see two possible things happening here:

One, some sources said that Jodha would be "slow-poisoned" and that prediction is still ringing in my ears and I have therefore not discounted it. Now let's suppose for a moment that Ruq decides to use the slow-poisoning route to kill Jodha ... the thing that she may not factor in is that while the poison may not affect Jodha quickly and directly, if Jodha is feeding Hussein, the poison dose may be low for an adult but strong on the child that is imbibing its mother's milk. Thus we may see the death of Hussein also. When this boomerangs on Ruq and she loses Hussein (her ticket to MUZ) Ruq may herself blabber that she did not try to kill Jodha or Hussein and she did all this just to get the baby and the MUZ title. Or else, Jalal may catch Ruq at this poisoning game. And that could be the time when Ruq is caught and punished by Jalal by not speaking to her ever again.

Two, Ruq may not to use any slow-poison route, but may, in her extreme anger, directly and physically try to attack and kill Jodha out of fury when Birbal and Jalal pull the baby from her using their clever clauses of the farmans against her. If Ruq thus openly shows her greed for the MUZ title with a direct and murder-intentioned attack on Jodha in front of everyone at the DEK, again Ruq could be caught and punished right there and then.

Which of these routes the Creatives will follow will depend on how long they want to stretch this Ruq kaand! Those of us waiting for Ruq's exposure and punishment will have to see which of these routes Ruq uses to try and kill Jodha and how soon she is therefore caught and punished. In historical terms, I think there was not much gap between the deaths of Hasan and Hussein, so in a way if the CVs are following history, perhaps there may be a short two-or-three episode event of Ruq doing the slow-poisoning of Jodha before the child Hussein also dies from poisoning and thus Ruq gets caught.

Either way, I want to see this "return the baby via farman clause" argument happening in the open DEK. I want Ruq accosted in public in front of all at the DEK and I want to see her face when Birbal uses the farman against her or Jalal uses the reverse farman!

In a way, I was happy to see this new promo ...

During the last few episodes we were all trying to make predictions for Ruq to be caught and exposed fast (hopefully by Dussehra Day itself!) based on the Zee man's claims. That was not to be ...alas! Bbut the new promo at least shows that the route for Ruq's exit is now crystal clear and so her punishment can't be far away.

I was thus extremely gratified to see this new promo ... it shows that Ruq will be forced to return Hussein to Jodha and that leaves Ruq NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO GET BACK HUSSEIN by hook or by crook if she wants the MUZ audha.

So the path forward becomes clear that Ruq will definitely have to resort to some method now to poison or render Jodha incapable of caring for the baby, and could thus be caught for something as grave as attempted poisoning or even murder ... and therefore this time she cannot go scot-free or get pardoned by Jalal.

Murder attempts on Jodha go way beyond faking pregnancies and other lesser misdemeanours she has committed so far. So this time she is sure to be gravely punished as well!

How long will it all take?

That's a good question to ask, I suppose, for we all want to know when we will see the new promo scene happening? I am just trying to do some possible dates here:

Friday, Oct 3: Hasan is seen to be the poisoned baby and dies fast even without the five-day gap expected by Zeenat!
Monday, Oct 6: Mansingh and Birbal discover Zeenat behind the attack and there is the accosting of Zeenat, her confession and capture.
Tuesday, Oct 7: Jalal forces Ruq at the DEK to return the baby and Birbal comes up with the farman clause and/or Jalal comes up with the reverse farman and Ruq is forced to return the baby. Ruq swears revenge on Jodha and plots her murder ...
Wednesday, Oct 8: Ruq starts her poisoning of Jodha and Jodha falls ill ...
Thursday, Oct 9: The baby Hussein also falls ill from poisoning and dies. Jalal institutes an investigation.
Friday, Oct 10: Ruq is discovered to be the culprit behind the Jo poisoning and death of Hussein and she confesses or is caught and about to be punished (we are left hanging over the weekend to know what Jalal will do with her)
Week starting Oct 11: Ruq gets punished ... she uses her "wish" to lighten the punishment and so Jalal decides not to talk to her again and sidelines her ... and then we get at least 3-4 days of Jalal-Jodha sadness sharing at the death of their two sons, before the Sharif kaan and Bakshi baby kaand etc. start.

Does this sound right to you all? Or should we shorten or lengthen these dates?

All that happened in yesterday's episode:

Episode opens with Birbal andTansen tana maroing each other before the musical concert. Birbal jokes that Tansen may sing "raag gaddha" and bray like a donkey. Sharif and the maulvis resent Jalal cebrating the Hindu festival Dussehra, complete with the Raavan effigy and all that.

Birbal then tells Jalal to introduce his babies to the praja. Jalal takes both babies in his hands from Jodha and Ruq and tells the praja this is Hasan and Hussein. The praja shouts "zindabad" for Jalal and his wives and kids. Tansen then starts singing ... which puts Ruq to sleep and becomes a big joke with Birbal who says his name should be changed to "Neendsen". And there is also dancing. Zeenat goes near Ruq and asks to carry Hussein but Ruq refuses.

Suddenly however Zeenat looks carefully at Ruq's baby and sees its a doll. Hasan also is a doll in Jodha's hands. Zeenat realises that Jalal has done a clever trick of keeping the real princes in the palace and brought only dolls to the praja. She wonders where the kids may be hidden and realises that Hamida has not come for jashn and may have the kids safe.

Jalal meanwhile has the flashback of how he and Birbal planned to keep the real kids safe in the palace while showing only dolls before the praja to satisfy the praja. Zeenat then goes looking for Hamida and the babies in the palace. She sees Hamida and Gulbadan with the babies surrounded by many bandhis in a safe room.

Zeenat also changes to bandhi dress and is wondering how to access the kids by disturbing all the surrounding women and bandhis. Meanwhile Birbal gives the festival bow and arrow to Jalal to shoot the Raavan effigy. Jalal does it in one shot ... but Jodha gets some unpleasant sanket as if Raavan is not really dead and some bad thing may happen.

Meanwhile Zeenat gets an idea to set fire to an area outside Hamida's room. In the ensuing confusion everyone is careless about the kids. One baby is asleep but other is awake. Zeenat quickly dips her poisoned gloved finger in honey and the baby which is awake sucks it. Zeenat says "In five days you'll be dead my boy!"

Just then Ruq, Jodha and Jalal run into the room after hearing about the fire. Hamida says all are okay, even the babies. Ruq and Jodha grab their babies and hug them. But Jalal is suspicious about the fire and asks Mansingh, Todarmal and Birbal to do tafteesh on how and who started fire. Mansingh says could it could have been accidental, but Birbal is suspicious.

Meanwhile Qasim and Zeenat are discussing their plot and Qasim says Zeenat took a very big risk and may soon be caught. But Zeenat says it's impossible since she acted smartly. But she also doesn't know which baby she gave the poison to ... as both looked and were dressed identical. She says by tomorrow one baby will show signs of poisoning! Qasim says they have at least hurt one child so far and that is like blinding one eye of Jalal in revenge for the past when Humayun blinded both eyes of Qasim's father.

In the precap, Jodha is in her room hearing flashbacks of Maham's curses on her babies. Meanwhile Ruq sees that the baby she has in her hands is frothing at the mouth from poison.

Chalo, we are at the beginning of the end of Ruq at last ... thanks to the Creatives for showing us this new promo!

I know at least that Ruq's capture is not far off and I can live with the next week or ten days for that! Phew!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi,
Thanx for the update but today i m too sad to write anything. I skipped the whole last week coz i couldnt watch the torturing of the kid n jodha and now from promo we have more pain in wait for them. I m just too depressed to watch kidsdeath being handled so insensitively.
What happened to jalal karega burai ka ant?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: vinitaj27

Mansi,
Thanx for the update but today i m too sad to write anything. I skipped the whole last week coz i couldnt watch the torturing of the kid n jodha and now from promo we have more pain in wait for them. I m just too depressed to watch kidsdeath being handled so insensitively.
What happened to jalal karega burai ka ant?

Aaj Dussehra hai ... so burai ki ant has one more day to be seen!
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Thanks Mansi for this Lovely Analysis and predictions. I have not been able to think straight since yesterday. I thought Zeenat will not succeed in poisoning but I was proved wrong. Watching the Promo and Jo crying broke my heart. All the anger I had for JJ faded away and now I am feeling very sad for them. Jodha is the one who is going to feel more guilty.

From the Promo, I believe twins are still safe. JO is worried about Husseins health and wants to take care of him. Ruks denied and don't know how it is going to go from there. I hope Jalal and BB comes out with a plan. I am not making any predictions as things happen exactly the opposite of what I think. I hope and wish Jodha gets to be with her babies before they die.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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I thought I was a strong person but this track is really tearing my heart apart
Why couldn't the CVs just give a natural death to the kids

It's good to see birbal's smartness but that doesn't reduce the emotional impact if what is unfolding
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Mansi,
I agree with your theory here.I feel it's Hasan who dies.That Precap's part of Hussein vomiting is misleading.He might just vomit because of smoke or may be he is having cough congestion in the chest.See they even showed ,Jodha thinking about curses.Now this was the biggest hint.As earlier ,Jo was the only one who never believed in that curse and was very strong.She had the confidence that nothing will happen to babies .
But then if she is thinking about it ,means she is emotionally disturbed and is now grappling with fear.This is the result of ,may be because of ill health of Hassan.This is but obvious now as she is the mother. Any mother would go through this.Here Ruku now gets a hint that with Hassan gone,Hussein is now the future King and her" sapne Suhane MUZ ke" starts.
I had predicted on your thread ,few days ago ,that Hasan will die first and Jo will be in worst state of mind and she may try to find peace in Hussein but will be insulted by Ruku.My past experience with EK, tells me that she loves mentally torturing the heroine in the serial.And I feel ,Jo won't be spared too by her.
In the promo,Jalal told Ruku that don't keep any mother away from the child .He didn't say don't keep the child away from the mother.There is a difference in both the statements.I feel that Jalal now asks the baby for Jodha and for her mental condition.
Also ,as now zeenat is caught, so again the daimaa problem will arise and subsequently Hussein's feeding issues too.Then we might see some blunders by Ruku in child rearing and which will lead to use of reverse Farmaan.
Personally I don't want Birbal to be involved in this .As this is a very personal family matter and another thing is that he is new now and involving him so early in the delicate matters of queens is odd.I want Jalal himself to solve this and give the punishment to Ruku.This will give one message that " for Jo he will do anything".This message will have opposite effect on both the queens.Jo will now get all the confidence that Jalal is her pillar of strength.And when she comes out of this grief of kid's death ,she with the support of Jalal, now starts doing things which real HK did like trade ,administration etc.
Ruku gets the message that whatever "Chaals" she uses,Jalal's beloved wife will always be Jo and now she herself will have to see with her very own eyes ,the rise of Jo in sultanate and her own downfall.So may be it is sunset for Ruku but after some days it's sunrise for Jo.Thus there won't be any permanent darkness in Agra.
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Is ruku's exposure at the cost of hasan's death??? :(
But history says they died because of some disease
Are you sure hasan is going to die?
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Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

Thanks Mansi for this Lovely Analysis and predictions. I have not been able to think straight since yesterday. I thought Zeenat will not succeed in poisoning but I was proved wrong. Watching the Promo and Jo crying broke my heart. All the anger I had for JJ faded away and now I am feeling very sad for them. Jodha is the one who is going to feel more guilty.

From the Promo, I believe twins are still safe. JO is worried about Husseins health and wants to take care of him. Ruks denied and don't know how it is going to go from there. I hope Jalal and BB comes out with a plan. I am not making any predictions as things happen exactly the opposite of what I think. I hope and wish Jodha gets to be with her babies before they die.


Sindhu I also initially thought after seeing the promo that both babies may be safe. But this Ruq says one sentence in the promo that made me feel Hasan is dead. She says "This baby is the route to my being MUZ". She cannot say that if both babies are alive. If both are alive and she gets both babies and Jo gets no babies she can say this is the route to MUZ. But even if she has Hussein but Jodha has Hasan she cannot say that one sentence. That's why I feel one baby is dead and that is Hasan.
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Originally posted by: -Gitanjali-

I thought I was a strong person but this track is really tearing my heart apart

Why couldn't the CVs just give a natural death to the kids

It's good to see birbal's smartness but that doesn't reduce the emotional impact if what is unfolding

We all knew the babies will die eventually. And when the spoilers about Zeenat came we knew there would be some poisoning! Sad, but has to be faced!
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Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Mansi,

I agree with your theory here.I feel it's Hasan who dies.That Precap's part of Hussein vomiting is misleading.He might just vomit because of smoke or may be he is having cough congestion in the chest.See they even showed ,Jodha thinking about curses.Now this was the biggest hint.As earlier ,Jo was the only one who never believed in that curse and was very strong.She had the confidence that nothing will happen to babies .
But then if she is thinking about it ,means she is emotionally disturbed and is now grappling with fear.This is the result of ,may be because of ill health of Hassan.This is but obvious now as she is the mother. Any mother would go through this.Here Ruku now gets a hint that with Hassan gone,Hussein is now the future King and her" sapne Suhane MUZ ke" starts.
I had predicted on your thread ,few days ago ,that Hasan will die first and Jo will be in worst state of mind and she may try to find peace in Hussein but will be insulted by Ruku.My past experience with EK, tells me that she loves mentally torturing the heroine in the serial.And I feel ,Jo won't be spared too by her.
In the promo,Jalal told Ruku that don't keep any mother away from the child .He didn't say don't keep the child away from the mother.There is a difference in both the statements.I feel that Jalal now asks the baby for Jodha and for her mental condition.
Also ,as now zeenat is caught, so again the daimaa problem will arise and subsequently Hussein's feeding issues too.Then we might see some blunders by Ruku in child rearing and which will lead to use of reverse Farmaan.
Personally I don't want Birbal to be involved in this .As this is a very personal family matter and another thing is that he is new now and involving him so early in the delicate matters of queens is odd.I want Jalal himself to solve this and give the punishment to Ruku.This will give one message that " for Jo he will do anything".This message will have opposite effect on both the queens.Jo will now get all the confidence that Jalal is her pillar of strength.And when she comes out of this grief of kid's death ,she with the support of Jalal, now starts doing things which real HK did like trade ,administration etc.
Ruku gets the message that whatever "Chaals" she uses,Jalal's beloved wife will always be Jo and now she herself will have to see with her very own eyes ,the rise of Jo in sultanate and her own downfall.So may be it is sunset for Ruku but after some days it's sunrise for Jo.Thus there won't be any permanent darkness in Agra.

Rashmi, to me the biggest hint that Hasan has died comes because of the sentence that Ruq says in the promo that she won't give the baby because he is now her route to MUZ. She thinks that in her mind.
See if she has Hussein and refuses to give him to Jodha and if Jodha still has Hasan, she will not say Husein is her only route to MUZ, right?

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