Jalal's thin veneer of anger against Maham seems ready to crumble! - Page 5

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Episode was good, Ruqu showing HAQ JO & her rant on MY id is just OTT ... Ruqu & MA are partners in crime so much gloated with each other till MA lost Wazir E Aliya post, a single sympathy before HB then MA doesn't want to go to Agra...

I liked Jo talked to HB about MA and also answered Ruqu NO Badduva can harm her kids... I also liked HB & MA scene where MA cursed HB son & warris, while HB is distributing for the peace of Adham 40th day. It looks like on 40th day of Adham death MA is going to die..

I liked JJ scene where Jo asked she want to meet MA last time and again how dare Ruqu stopped her..

I just want JO give fitting answer that it's none of her business to stop her when Jalaal gave her permission... I loved the precap, Jalaal pain so visible... How Fate has changed for MA , she now wants nothing in her last moment just HER SON JALAAL..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi mansi. Amazing analysis of maham and jalal's emotions. You have said it all. There is nothing more to be said. Jalal is definitely hurting and it is evident from the precap. But I think that after this reverse psychology by jodha, he might admit his feelings for maham and then jodha might tell him about her last wish. But he may disagree. I have a feeling that he himself might ask jodha what maham said in jail and then jodha will start using the reverse psychology. By the way, I did read about the rukaiya article. Her plan is to jodha as a bad mother, but mansi, do you think that jalal will believe that jodha is careless when it comes to kids, he has seen how she takes care of rahim and even bakshi's kid. I think like every half baked plan of hers, in this plan too she will goof up and end up showing herself as irresponsible and jalal will take away her kid and give it to jodha. Then at that time we may not get a punishment. But when she looses both kids then she might try to kill jodha to get both the kids back. And that is where I feel that jalal will break ties with her. But seriously mansi, I just want her humiliated and exposed. I just can't see her treating jodha as a surrogate mother. I think mansi, jodha is already pissed with rukaiya. Also there was a tweet that jodha will come to know of rukaiya's intension? So I'm just hoping that there will be no MU. Also, after Maham's glorifying of jodha on her death bed, everyone will be full of praise for jodha for reconciling maham and jalal. Even jalal will be at peace that he got to sort out matters with maham and his mind will be at peace and he will be greatful to jodha for understanding him so well. In this scenario, if they show an MU that too cause of rukaiya, trp will speak. In fact in the process of dangering jodha's kid, she may create suspicion in jalal's mind that someone has deliberately done this. So then jalal might get to the bottom of this plan of ruks. I just can't tolerate ruks on my screen. If she is not harshly punished this time, I don't know what will escape my tongue!! Mansi, the thing is that zee tweeted that the kids are to come. Means ruks will actually get the younger kid? As per history, the second kid died first. So they might show it due to ruks negligence and then she might try to kill jodha like I said earlier and then jalal will punish her. But this theory of mine does not encorporate jalal's reverse Farman, so I don't know how true it will be. I'm tired of this woman and her track better be wound up by September cause I will not be able to bear her beyond that. Did you notice mansi, that bakshi is ok with jodha whenever she thinks that her husband likes her? I think sharrif's temporary acting of loving here child and respecting her is making her feel that he has got over jodha. Well she is in for a huge shock cause I suspect link maddy, that he is drugging the child. Cause the child was not born deaf as she fell asleep listening to jodha's Lori. I agree with maddy. Jodha should get moti married and send her away. zakira can take her place. She is hopeless and has no manners like the old moti. I cannot tolerate one of the kids near rukaiya. Anyways they are going to die. I just want ruks out. Will wait for sharrif exposure, but this rukaiya is getting on my nerves.😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43
wonderfully written Mansi.👍🏼
As far as I could understand Jalal, he is indeed running away from himself..he is not stopping Jodha doing anything for Maham..that tells me deep down he too wants Jodha to take care of Maham in her last days..but this is a one part of Jalal who loves his Badi Ammi...another part of him tells Maham is an evil and she can harm Jodha to make her baddua real...sending Maham to Delhi has two reasons...one what Diksha said that he cant see her dying before his eyes and other one he cant trust Maham given her hatred for Jodha.

Jalal is torn between his dual selves..he is avoiding all sorts of conversations that lead to Maham...that very name makes him upset..if u noticed, he doesnt meet eye while talking about Maham...he feels uncomfortable..I feel terrible for Jalal...in Tuesday's episode when Ruqaiyya was whipping Resham and Jodha was explaining Maham's condition just look at Jalal's face...he was feeling pathetic but trying to act strong..and left the place instantly so that no one can see his pain not due to anger what Ruqaiyya thought.

Jodha knows Jalal inside and out...and she is the only one seeing through the pain Jalal is undergoing..she knows Jalal no matter what says and does, deep down his feelings for Maham r still the same...hence she was applying reverse psychology on him (precap) to make him react and meet Maham before she dies...it will not only make a dying Maham happy but also will lighten the burden of pain Jalal is carrying in his heart...Jalal-Maham meeting will help Jalal releasing his pent up pain..he will feel lighter.

Maham hates Jodha but she is melting...the praises she is hearing about her melting her hatred but she is holding onto a pseudo anger for her coz she has to prove Mughal Wazir-e-Aliya Maham Anga can never love Rajvanshi Shehzadi Jodha.
I just hope she takes back the curse before dying.

Yesterday what I loved most was Jodha taking permission from Jalal to meet Maham...had it been old Jodha she would have met Maham secretly by going against Jalal's order..but this new Jodha doesnt want to go against her Shehenshah but taking his permission...loved it..simply loved it.❤️❤️

Ruqaiyya the less said the better...like u I dont want to spoil my post talking about her..just want Jodha soon realizes her wrong decision.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
WE don't even want to discuss about Ruk,
we can't bear to see her so much on screen,
we don't want to see her hover around Jodha and Jalal,
we do NOT want to see Ruk lay a hand on innocent baby

and

we WANT TO SEE RUK HUMILIATED, PUNISHED and RIDICULED and even her fake pregnancy truth to come out IN DEK.

Hope even if what we want does not matter to zee and CVs - the TRPs do!

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Posted: 11 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: hely

superb analysis Esp green part
BEK was a knock out
one of those kids is mine'😡 Well wrong person and for wrong reason, it might be fake concern but she is concerned for her audah
i cant tolerate ruk anymore😡rukaiya is a snake..
I don't care how bad maham was but she is the one who raised jalal I don't think she deserves to die like that. jalal could have been more empathetic towards her. I know she did a lot of evil she had her motives just like everyone else. look how bad ruks is towards jodha and how many time she took sides with maham to do evil to jodha and yet jalal has not punished her like that.

maham is his mother too if even he wanted to punish her not like this. she is going to die all alone in all that pain from hunger. she lost her son although he was evil too that was a great loss for her and then to add to it he threw her in the dark dungeon what could be more heartbreaking. and look at the way he killed adham it is a good thing that maham was not there to see. when coming to ruks she deserves to be punished too. ruks is very bold after being so evil to jodha..i have no hope ruks will be punished by jalal coz wtever she does jalal never punish her..even after SHE insulted him in DEK... now she wants to be mother to one of jodhas children not right at all. 😡 do not let maham die like that please let jalal go to her and hold her and forgive her for what she did maybe she will raise her curse against the children
precap-jodha was really funny the way she says pakhandi aurat 😆. Tone, expressions,gestures:spot on!!
I am reallt looking forward to it
jodha reverse pychology...jallu always fall for it
jodha knows jalal still loves MA and can't hear anything against her no matter what MA does to him...

If we compare Ruq and Maham, yest it looks like Maham is suffering while Ruq is going scot free. But Ruq is not half as brainy as maham nor as evil, as Maham could be at her worst.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46
Will I ever get to see ruq bhandaphod
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: prav2

Hi Mansi
A very nice analysis .your and diksha's take on Jalal was very insightful ...
The one question that came to my mind is
Could we ever truly hate our loved ones
Even after facing the betrayal of its worst kind? And may be the answer is not and may be Jalal is also going thru the same dilemma and that's what may be Jo is trying to bring out in the precap .
Coming to the episode
Hb's gesture toward's maham was heart touching and shows the striking contrast between them.maham claiming to be the badi ammi is cursing him while hb is praying for her foster sons soul
Jalal Jo and bakshi scene was so good j yesterday bakshi seems to be genuinely happy to see Jo and the way she went away giving them space to talk makes me think if sharif's is no where in the picture bakshi could be a better human being...
Coming to ruq
I don't know who i want to be gone first sharif or ruq ,their sick obssession towards audha irritates me to no level thati would be the happiest if both are exposed simultaneously and gone

Actually Prav, there are two ways to look at the ones we love ... sometimes you can say we can never really hate them. But sometimes the people we most hate are the ones we most used to love ... we feel their betrayal more sharply and that love changes to deep hatred for the deeper sense of betrayal! So its not as easy as that.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mm250314

the write up by mansi was excellent ! . . . the episode was ok as jodha was marvellous ! . but why jalal was given so little screen space ? . jodha is so kindhearted towards resham,maham n all others but have they really acknowledged it ? maham should do so now. . jodha is facing all odds to support maham n in a way helping her jalal during maham's last days . whereas jalal is maintaining a i don't care act w.r.t. maham ( though jodha can feel his pain ).. maham's sins were unpardonable but jj are not fully aware of it n even in history at maham' death akbar was inconsolable . so we can digest it . if maham repents genuinely then it is fine . the glorification part may not be liked by all . . In JJ 's scene , both were graceful . it was a relief to see that jodha had got jalal's permission as we were spared from any mu . jalal was clearly hiding his inner turmoil , he was a little sad, to uplift his mood he was diverting his attention towards the innocent kid , he knew very well that jodha shall visit maham n he agreed easily ,he was pretending that he was angry , he was no meeting jodha's eyes n he quickly walked away coz he knew jodha can read him easily . the interaction was very beautiful which displayed their love, understanding of other's inner feelings n respect towards each other ! .. . jodha is so smart , she knows him n in the precap she used reverse psychology upon him. jodha 's expressions were bang on !. . jalal's pain was visible to her ! . . jodha is shown having unique qualities of heart n if the matters concern jalal then she is unstoppable !. jalal should not be guilt ridden n jodha is determined to guide him even if everyone including jalal is opposing him . only jodha deserves akbar;s unconditional love . ruqu - it is good that ruqu is irritating jodha now but not as much we are irritated to see her constant jaap of her child . . coz of kids we can't see any mu between jj n i feel that jalal will take jodha's side when ruqu shall plan against jodha pointing towards jodha's carelessness !

I am irritated by Ruq but I doubt she has the capacity to really engineer an MU between Jodha and Jalal. If it was maham I knew she had that capacity but I doubt Ruq has the ability to create enmity between Jodha and Jalal. She just doesn't have the requisite brains for that sort of chaal!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: abhi786

Episode was good, Ruqu showing HAQ JO & her rant on MY id is just OTT ... Ruqu & MA are partners in crime so much gloated with each other till MA lost Wazir E Aliya post, a single sympathy before HB then MA doesn't want to go to Agra...

I liked Jo talked to HB about MA and also answered Ruqu NO Badduva can harm her kids... I also liked HB & MA scene where MA cursed HB son & warris, while HB is distributing for the peace of Adham 40th day. It looks like on 40th day of Adham death MA is going to die..

I liked JJ scene where Jo asked she want to meet MA last time and again how dare Ruqu stopped her..

I just want JO give fitting answer that it's none of her business to stop her when Jalaal gave her permission... I loved the precap, Jalaal pain so visible... How Fate has changed for MA , she now wants nothing in her last moment just HER SON JALAAL..

That's a good thought! I never saw it like that ... as a comparison of maham and hamida as mothers. Good one!👏👏👏👏
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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hi guys, Sorry but I think with this outrageous behavior of Ruqu, she may blurt out something bad to Maham as Jodha keeps marching to & pro to Maham's prison cell and without forethought she may blame Maham about how she back stabbed Jalal and Jodha and now she is enjoying their favour etc which may infuriate & instigate Maham and in that fit of mind she may disclose some of Ruqu's misdeeds.(may be some which even we viewers are unaware of) before she succumb to death. Since both Jodha and Jalal will be mourning for the loss of such a great lady (Even though she had done some damage to them, she were a strong pillar for Jalal during his childhood and young age when he climbed the throne) and may not dig the details or make a hue and cry about Ruqu at that moment. But later when Jalal recovers from his sorrow, he will take her for a task which will leave her in her own sphere where no one will enter. She may be banned for certain perimeters from Jodha's presence.

But I know for sure that with every passing comment Ruqu is digging her own grave deep. It is just a matter of time for Jalal to pounce on her wits and make her spill the beans on her own and accept her crimes. Her vision is like horse tied to the chariot which doesn't (can't) see the sides of the track but only can ahead of it. So Ruqu is only thinking what is her aim but is failed to notice that she has been under vigilance and has left too many evidence during her race to the MUZ post.

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