end of Ashutosh's JA and beginning of K Asif's mughal-e-azam!-DTNTPg11 - Page 2

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Posted: 11 years ago
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No i dont think soo salim and anarkali going to create the same magic which jodha and akbar made its quite impossible jodha and akbar already make strong place in viewers hearts...as we all see in previous week no akdha scene only bakshi and shariffu they hardly show jodha akbar its now crystle clear people dont want bakshi and shariffu but want to see jodha akbar i know SR scene was done but still when they show jodha akbar five min romantic scene its increase in trp leap is the big risk whether its increase trp ya whether its decrease it badly ...there is many interesting battles which ekta didnt show yet im happy with my akdha im not going to accept salim and anarkali
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Posted: 11 years ago
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AkDha ... AkDha ... AkDha
And no Salim Anarkali stuffs 😎 👎🏼
I'm in no mood n in favour of this ridiculous season 2 commitment at all. The show will take its last breath only with Jodha and Akbar only... No matter what. And hell kinda like PariJat will never agree to play oldies to their children at all ...
Rather they might quit most probably despite their professionalism huh.
Initial part of ur post is pretty convincing though but the rest didn't interest me n support my perceptions. Ur doubtless speculations abt Salim Anarkali track doesn't pave the way for the show to be successful ahead in future. Ppl n we are head over heels in damn love with AkDha unconditionally n how come this drastic n unexpected dawn of new generation lovers?? Sorry its difficult to gulp down the immature fact down my throat as of now. Ekta has already ridiculed the eminent characters of Akbar n Heer Kunwar so far to our surprise n now the another butchering of long dead legends? Huh?? Abig no pplease. At least I don't want our beloved Salim and Anarkali to curse their souls in grave in the hands of ekta. But I'm really proud to admit that Rajat ad Akbar and Paridhi as Jodha has done Outstanding and Brilliant job so far till now n has lived upto our expectations. They have brought back alive the 450 years old eminent characters from 16th century which was indeed a cumbersome job to carry out. Hats off to the whole team of Jodha Akbar n of course Our beloved PariJat.

And yes ma'am I agree ... The tragic damnation of Maham Anga has brought JA to a standstill from where it badly needs to overcome the trauma n move ahead with an overall new storyline or I would say to completely follow the Real Akbar's life after Maham's phase despite the fact that her character has been illogically stretched bcz as per the history she died around jalal jodha marriage only. Yet I blindly hope that JA makers introduce the Important NINE GEMS of Akbar. The birth of salim will be another track to follow after consequent deaths of 4 children of AkDha I guess that will be covered up in little leap. I would expect makers to be sensible enough to not to introduce the Salim Anarkali track as the majority won't be able to accept it. Or else they can go with what u want ...

That's all I had to say.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: munnirony

mandy, akbar was not the hero in mughal-e-azam. new entries mean rajat will be side tracked. this is EK's JA & it will be like pavitra rista where after entry of arjun-purvi, manav had almost no existance. so if u feel akbar will be strong after salim's entry ur wrong. infact, there can be many tracks which can show strong akbar even without the leap. his social reforms, his fatherly emotions, introduction of din-i-elahi. so im really ok with current JA love story rather than salim-anarkali.

I agree with you Shreya that Jallu wont hold a stronger position vis-a-vis new characters like SA...but does he hold a strong position now? ...I understand taking a leap in to SA story is huge huge risk but the show has lost something...I dont know what it is...Cant put a finger on it but I just miss old JA...😭😭😭...and I am still a loyal viewer of JA but I know in my heart of heart that I am not as devoted to JA as I used to be few months back..dont know what went wrong...but too much negativity, missing romance and silly dialogues make me laugh after every episode...I wonder who writes these dialogues for characters?
Right now Jo is pregnant but I am unable to enjoy her pregnancy at all...Ruku's plotting and planning made it impossible and now even if Ruku is not shown we all know what is happening in the back ground...😭😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

I agree with you Shreya that Jallu wont hold a stronger position vis-a-vis new characters like SA...but does he hold a strong position now? ...I understand taking a leap in to SA story is huge huge risk but the show has lost something...I dont know what it is...Cant put a finger on it but I just miss old JA...😭😭😭...and I am still a loyal viewer of JA but I know in my heart of heart that I am not as devoted to JA as I used to be few months back..dont know what went wrong...but too much negativity, missing romance and silly dialogues make me laugh after every episode...I wonder who writes these dialogues for characters?
Right now Jo is pregnant but I am unable to enjoy her pregnancy at all...Ruku's plotting and planning made it impossible and now even if Ruku is not shown we all know what is happening in the back ground...😭😭


look honestly in EK's show male lead is always like a side hero. so i feel it will be worst after leap or after salim anarkali's entry. dont mind but this show is about jodha & her "manavta" & jalal is always like a supporting actor despite of being the main lead. its rajat who is holding the "shan" of the role by his acting, otherwise it has not much imp. so if salim-anarkali enters it will be worst for him. jalal fans will always be at the edge. so at least now he has tht much of a screen space were he can prove his talent, otherwise if leap happens he wont be able to win any awards.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mandy Salim Anarkali if shown EK style will involve even more harem ladies and Anarkali competing with other women. Meanwhile Salim will be hanging around the gardens and women will be fighting over who he looked at the longest or who he sent a rose to. After 80 episodes S and A will meet more often alone for a few minutes, while many jealous peeps will plot to either promote or hinder the romance.

JA is already suffering because Jalal is currently spending a LOT of time in the harem. And he has to untangle the mess. No state matters have been allowed to intervene and give him some sukoon. He holds his head with a headache, listening to the 'logic' of giving away one of his children completely - no rights over the child at all. It makes him look helpless, frustrated,powerless. It's only Rajat's very convincing portrayal of a good father that has saved it and has given it some viewing pleasure. Else it is at the lowest ebb now. Very flat Jodha-Akbar wise. But once Ruqs is exposed, the focus can be on JJ more fully as parents. And Jalal will be free from harem politics. It should get better at least..till twins death. Then maybe some more mini leaps, nine gems, and leading up to Salim's birth. JJ have to be in most frames for this to work though.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mandy can you imagine Durga Khote's Jodha lines, "Khuddar Mughalon ki aabaro itni halki nahi ki ek nacheez laundi ke barabar tul jaye, aur humara hindustan koi tumahara dil nahi, laundi jiski mallika bane" being spoken by EK's Jodha?😲...never, ever.😲

K.Asif Jodha, respected and abided by AKbar without appearing weak...in the movie, Both Jodha and Akbar were strong characters there.

They have to pick up leaves from history and put their own spices to make it dramatic...
  • reforms introduced, starting from harem as a laboratory testing...
  • more assassination attempts...
  • few wars...lets say dandiya battles...
  • few yatras by JA,
  • gradual introduction of nine gems and other courtiers
  • and I would not mind few more marriages of Akbar...ok just mentioned, not shown can be done with Jodha's consent in them as necessary from political aspects, thus, we could get a new Villain Begum to give Ruqaiya either competition or company😉😆
These could keep up the fodder till next mid year or more...Also these tracks can involve both Jodha and Jalal supporting each other, both can be kept balanced and involved in socio-politico tracks, and some spiritual bonding.
Also, none of these tracks need, so called Epic love story...phew!!!😉😆
Edited by mishtidoi - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mandy dearest,

What a dismal prospect! By now, Ekta has pretty much finished with demolishing Akbar, and reduced him to a spare time emperor, who spends most of his time even in the Diwan-e-Khas settling his family issues, and wandering about the palace making sure Jodha Begum is ok.

You yourself realise that nothing of any substance about Akbar's actual reign, the conquests, the navaratna, the insatiable urge to learn and assimilate, the rest of his reforms (without his having been tutored in them by Jodha Begum!) can be expected given the kind of writers Ekta favours and her budget constraints.

Why, this Jalal cannot even pronounce the second line of the Karmanyevadhikaraste sloka without massacring both the words and the anvaya, the way they are split up. I literally cringed when I listened to him recite that second line last night, Could they not have redubbed it? It was awful, and as for Jodha's recitation from the Holy Quran, I do not know how good or bad that was as I do not know Arabic. So much for Ekta's take on Akbar's amazing level of interest in other religions and cultures.

As for your feeling that there was something missing in Jodha Akbar the film, I think it is pointless to compare a 3 hour 20 minute film with the 120 hour plus footage that the serial has already consumed. If Ekta had been limited to 200 minutes, then you could have compared the two! I loved the film and I still love it. I loved the effortless power and the insouciant arrogance of the early Jalal here, but now I am pretty much fed up with this milksop avatar, the flash in the pan of the Atifa track notwithstanding.

Nor can you compare Mughal-e-Azam, which was a very stagy, theatrical film, and Jodhaa Akbar. The latter was not meant to be powerful at all, it was a love story set against the backdrop of a mighty empire in the making, and the love story was effortlessly woven into the historical fabric. In Mughal-e-Azam, there was nothing but the stereotyped boy-loves--girl-and-boy's father disapproves violently track, spread over more than 3 hours. Just think of Durga Khote's Jodha Bai (she was not called begum there) pressing her hand to her heart and declaiming about her mamta for her son, sent off to Rajasthan to lose his early addiction to liquor, and you will agree with me about the staginess of the whole thing. Akbar's loud declamations, given Prithviraj Kapoor's strong theatrical background, were equally predictable, and could have been taken from any sasur- bahu serial.

What made Mughal-e-Azam a classic was the superlative cast and their combined star power, which was incandescent in the heavy dramatic scenes, like the one when Anarkali flees from the advancing Akbar straight into Salim's arms, and then slides limply to the floor at his feet. Being the Mughal prince that he is, Salim does not stoop to pick her up. That was a splendid touch.

It is fashionable nowadays to say that Mughal-e-Azam was a huge success when it was released, but nothing could be further from the truth. I watched in the theater in 1960, and the audience was completely put off by the heavy Urdu that they could not understand at all, and they sat on only for the Pyar kiya to darna kya song and the wonderful Sheesh Mahal scene shot in colour, a great rarity then.

I loved the Salim-Anarkali love scenes, especially the white feather one in the garden at night, with Bade Ghulam Ali Khan singing in the background. I liked the haughty unbending Mughal prince that Dilip Kumar made of his Salim, but most of the viewers, with their tastes carried over from theatre and the old 1940s films, dismissed him as too stiff and preferred Pradeep Kumar in Anarkali, which did much better at the box office!!

Now, if Ekta drifts to Salim-Anarkali, I do not see how this Jodha-Akbar jodi can have anything powerful to do. Whether Jodha is shown siding with Salim or with Akbar, in either case she will weep and lament a lot. Akbar is bound to be mostly rigid rage, and Rajat will go overboard with it, as he does all too often here, forgetting that the icy anger of the early episodes was infinitely more telling. I think it will be as bad as this serial has become for quite a while yet.

What I found interesting is the obvious eagerness with which you are looking forward to all this. I now see that Ekta is truly a magician. 😉 But her jadoo does not work on me, more is the pity, for it is sometimes pleasing to be able to con oneself into loving something, even if it is substandard for the most part.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: mandyg

hi folks!

i was going to make a post earlier but prior commitments kept me away from it and finally i got the time to jot down some of my thoughts on how this show might shape up!

as we have seen so far ekta has presented us the detailed version of Ashutosh Gwarikar's johda akbar!..after watching the movie, although i loved it i felt that it was missing something and that it was incomplete..ekta took the bold initiative and went ahead to complete those missing parts with pieces of history and chunks of natkiye rupantars..now some NRs were appealing while the others were not but then that is how daily soaps work, in order to cater to the trp audience some
nonsensical stuff needs to be incorporated..for which i forgive ekta, not for all NRs but for some!

now with maham's end an era of JA has ended or i would say one season has ended..MC was going to replace her but could not stand for long as Ashwini's MA is incomparable..it will be impossible to fill her shoes..and i would not be wrong in saying that Ashwini has immortalized maham anga just like rajat has immortalized akbar..whenever i think of real MA i think of ashwini's face and whenever i think of Akbar i think of rajat's face..this is the impact of the great show that has managed to stay on top of the trp charts inspite of being surrounded by controversies on and off!

now with all the main villains coming to an end..the phase of akbar's 9 gems and the next generation has started..we have already seen how MS and TM are actively involved and are the most trusted men of Akbar's..in other words they are his eyes!..now since all the negative people are being eliminated what is there in this show that will keep the audience engaged..lets dissect..

romance was high trp puller factor up until the sr, but now that seems to have taken a back seat and it has become stale and repetitive, as the leads do not seem to be at that comfort level where their scenes can be enjoyed, instead they just go unnoticed as there is nothing new and special about them, therefore romance to become the trp puller for this couple will not work!
then what will work..politics? incidents from akbar's real life? his administrative achievements? wars?..i doubt if ekta will go that root as it would need a highly paid creative team and a lot f money spend on war scenes and costumes..!..for her its easier to show simple sbs style harem politics as she knows that it is a guaranteed trp puller...but with maham's character gone how will that happen! ruk can be shown as completely negative but that actress is not as powerful as ashwini was and might not be able to hold it too long on her shoulders...now what is needed and here is what i think ekta might do...

ekta will take the show slowly into its season 2 phase where the story of K Asif's mughal-e-azam will start..now those of you who have not seen the movie watch it on you tube it was a very powerful film even more powerful than Ashutosh's JA!..and if she follows the same story line and gives us the detailed version of the film i think this show might give us record breaking trps depending on how good the cast is! and the new negative female character might be the one who wanted to mary salim and i believe bahar was her name...

some of you might be thinking what will happen to akhda if the show shifts to salim anarkali..nothing will happen to them their roles will become stronger and powerful..the missing romance and passion will be filled in by the new couple and this time ekta will be extra careful in hiring and will get legal documents in place so that the actor or actress don't disagree to fulfill what the role demands!..and i think this phase will start with a small leap when salim is still a little boy just like how it was in the movie and then the major leap when he grows into an adult and then the whole anarkali kissa starts..i think nothing might happen until end of this year but be prepared to see more changes by the next year..as i have read somewhere that auditions for young salim have already started and MP's akbar went for that audition as per his tweet mentioned by sara!

so guys i do not think that the leap will be that bad in fact it might be more interesting, and it will not kick in soon but will kick in as per trps..if they begin to fall then yes might happen sooner than anticipated but if the trps are stable then ekta might take her sweet time!..so let me know who all are excited to watch season two in the name of mughal-e-azam😊





Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mishtidoi

Mandy can you imagine Durga Khote's Jodha lines, "Khuddar Mughalon ki aabaro itni halki nahi ki ek nacheez laundi ke barabar tul jaye, aur humara hindustan koi tumahara dil nahi, laundi jiski mallika bane" being spoken by EK's Jodha?😲...never, ever.😲


K.Asif Jodha, respected and abided by AKbar without appearing weak...in the movie, Both Jodha and Akbar were strong characters there.

They have to pick up leaves from history and put their own spices to make it dramatic...
  • reforms introduced, starting from harem as a laboratory testing...
  • more assassination attempts...
  • few wars...lets say dandiya battles...
  • few yatras by JA,
  • gradual introduction of nine gems and other courtiers
  • and I would not mind few more marriages of Akbar...ok just mentioned, not shown can be done with Jodha's consent in them as necessary from political aspects, thus, we could get a new Villain Begum to give Ruqaiya either competition or company😉😆
These could keep up the fodder till next mid year or more...Also these tracks can involve both Jodha and Jalal supporting each other, both can be kept balanced and involved in socio-politico tracks, and some spiritual bonding.
Also, none of these tracks need, so called Epic love story...phew!!!😉😆


EK's Jo is very politically correct. 😆 No...wait... more than that - she actually believes what she says! ...In the sixteenth century! So we may expect her to take Anarkali's side and promote equality of all classes.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: PadBear


EK's Jo is very politically correct. 😆 No...wait... more than that - she actually believes what she says! ...In the sixteenth century! So we may expect her to take Anarkali's side and promote equality of all classes.



i think in EK's salim-anarkali, anarkali will be the vamp. jodha will be supporting poor maanbai, lecture jalal about maanbai's condition & jalal will do evrything to protect maanbai.😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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^^ Pad Bear and Shreya
Don't underestimate the power of NR...in EK's version, we might get to see Salim actually marrying Anarkali...doing secret temple wedding and Anarkali dies of some illness or sacrificing her life taking in some attack on Akbar...wait that's exclusive right of Jodha...ok, then of Salim.

If BB's baby can be deaf instead of dead...this NR is very much probable😆😆

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