Birbal & JA Twins Entry, Ruq Downfall Sep 27 Updt Pg 60; DTNTPg15

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Charu

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Posted: 11 years ago

#181

Originally posted by: history_geek

Totally agree on this assessment about Ruqs...I had to quote this old convo as all the points here matched today and were proved beyond doubt...

Thank you Abhay .

I am continuing with my post . While I shared the first half of my post , I still could understand where some of Ruks's insecurities stemmed from . She was insecure about being sidelined in the mahal for being unable to produce a heir . However as I realized that her intentions for wanting a baby was just to have the feeling of ' power ', of ' control ' by gaining the title of MUZ , whatever sympathy I had for her vanished . Her only aim is to snatch away from Jodha and make hers , the gift of a baby that she could never have naturally . Her jealousy for Jodha is ruining her . She declares to Hoshiyar haughtily that he would never understand her intentions behind asking for one of Jodha's twin which is ... to come Mariam - uz - zamani .

Well too bad for you Rukkaiyya . Hoshiyar is extremely fond of the humble , kind and loving Jodha . Hoshiyar has not forgotten the role that Jodha has played in procuring respect for the khwaja sera in the harem and in celebrating his birthday . He indirectly stood up for Jodha and Jalal by being instrumental in changing the rose that Rukkaiyya had laced with a"knock-out" potion , for Jalal to sniff and become unconscious so that he could not attend his own anniversary Jashan . When the time comes , I feel that he may be the one showing his gratitude to Jodha and the Shehenshah by exposing Rukkaiyya's real evil intentions .

It is sad that Ruks is jealous of Jodha . Ruks never understood the meaning of the position of a wife , of a begum . She took her being the BEK for granted , loved the powers that came along with it . She is possessive of Jalal but does not understand the meaning of love . She took their togetherness also for granted and now is in a royal mess .

I have allowed Rukkaiyya's negativity to bother me since the past few days and am not too happy about it . I will credit Lavina Tandon's excellent portrayal of Rukkaiyya for having that effect .
I am ready to ignore the negativity that is yet to come from Ruks , and watch anything that will be shown on the pretext of natakiya roopantar . However I feel that the Creatives could have toned down the negativity in Rukkus character considering the fact that she was the BEK of the Mughal emperor . There was no need to make her appear like a regular soap opera vamp , with vampish expressions , vampish dialogues and even background music .

Edited by JAfanCharu - 11 years ago

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Abhay

@history_geek

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Posted: 11 years ago

#182

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

Thank you Abhay .

I am continuing with my post . While I shared the first half of my post , I still could understand where some of Ruks's insecurities stemmed from . She was insecure about being sidelined in the mahal for being unable to produce a heir . However as I realized that her intentions for wanting a baby was just to have the feeling of ' power ', of ' control ' by gaining the title of MUZ , whatever sympathy I had for her vanished . Her only aim is to snatch away from Jodha and make hers , the gift of a baby that she could never have naturally . Her jealousy for Jodha is ruining her . She declares to Hoshiyar haughtily that he would never understand her intentions behind asking for one of Jodha's twin which is ... to come Mariam - uz - zamani .

Well too bad for you Rukkaiyya . Hoshiyar is extremely fond of the humble , kind and loving Jodha . Hoshiyar has not forgotten the role that Jodha has played in procuring respect for the khwaja sera in the harem and in celebrating his birthday . He indirectly stood up for Jodha and Jalal by being instrumental in changing the rose that Rukkaiyya had laced with a"knock-out" potion , for Jalal to sniff and become unconscious so that he could not attend his own anniversary Jashan . When the time comes , I feel that he may be the one showing his gratitude to Jodha and the Shehenshah by exposing Rukkaiyya's real evil intentions .

It is sad that Ruks is jealous of Jodha . Ruks never understood the meaning of the position of a wife , of a begum . She took her being the BEK for granted , loved the powers that came along with it . She is possessive of Jalal but does not understand the meaning of love . She took their togetherness also for granted and now is in a royal mess .

I have allowed Rukkaiyya's negativity to bother me since the past few days and am not too happy about it . I will credit Lavina Tandon's excellent portrayal of Rukkaiyya for having that effect .
I am ready to ignore the negativity that is yet to come from Ruks , and watch anything that will be shown on the pretext of natakiya roopantar . However I feel that the Creatives could have toned down the negativity in Rukkus character considering the fact that she was the BEK of the Mughal emperor . There was no need to make her appear like a regular soap opera vamp , with vampish expressions , vampish dialogues and even background music .

Charu,
What more can i add here..This was a perfect summation...

1. Yes, Lavina is good in this role.
2. Hoshiyar's CLOSE-UP somehow hints towards, the fact that she can play some role in this track...Lets see...You mentioned very aptly that was also the one to have rendered a "bail out package" to save JJ anniversary.
3. The problem with Ruqs is that , she does not understands that all want her to be happy, and they all understand her, but it is she who is in dilemma..
4. Salima Begum could relate to her..It's Fine..
5. HB's act was shocking...She just WENT against this idea of child sharing, as she understands that it is "HER ZIDD" not "HER Mamatva"...Fine enough..😉

About your last para, as i said in my above reply also, some protocols should be followed...
They should let the grey character be grey only, and not play with the "shades" .

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Sindhu Menon

@SindhuMenon

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Posted: 11 years ago

#183

Originally posted by: Gem12

Abhay Her wish il be granted tomorrow.. Jo il make jalal understand and they il agree...but later her track starts..something ill happen and rukku il not get kids..then she may plan big..if not hoshu il spill the beans.. wat if she il get the kid but due to her carelessness kid may die ..u no right she is addicted to hukka..coz of hukka kid may die and this il enrage jalal... but since she is not directly involved in kids death he wont punish her...later rukku il be in rage coz her kid died jo's kid is alive..she il try to eliminate jo so that she il get kid muz title and jalal too... but jo il be saved second kid also il die..wen she tries to kill jo hoshu may spill the beans... jalal il save jo but kid il die.. later rukku il use her second wish and escapes from punishment ..but il lose jalal for ever ..and every one..she il be left with nothing..neither bek audha nor harem... she il be all alone...

Gem, Ruks is not capable of Killing JO or the Kids. I do not think she will go that far. She needs to be caught before the twins birth.

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ayushimehra

@ayushimehra

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Posted: 11 years ago

#184

Originally posted by: history_geek

Ayushi and Charu,

We both are on same terms... more or less.. I did not like the analogy given in today's episode by the CV's to support the "child giving" theory...

Yes, Ruqs has played her cards quite well..And, she has really planned it nicely... It was totally unlikely of a Queen...Auhda is one thing, but here you are placing the Auhda before your husband, your Shahensha... You are forcing him in OPEN and starting a chain of events which can lead to many wrong examples being set...An Emperor has to set precedents for the Awaam, but here he was BEING Forced to Break his Promise PUBLICLY...This can be a good bait for the detractors of the Sultanate...They can use any act of an Emperor to arouse the public sentiment...

This method was brought in OPEN Deliberately...Yesterday, she was calling him, Khuda ki Parchai / Zil-e-Illahi / representative of God on Earth...And today she called him a MERE INSAAN...She was being so manipulative just to attain her goals...Still she professes to be his FRIEND.?. And still resorts to such acts..

As Radhika wrote in Her Last Post , about the lack of Protocols being maintained in the serial, this track is also going on similar lines... CV's are not able to find the balance between Ruqs Need "of" MOTHERHOOD and the RESPECT "for" MOTHERHOOD...

Abhay Agree with You. But, Yes she is placing, Audha, Before her Husband, Because, She needs Power. & Power is A Game;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Cause of Power, History Too Many times changed, OLD Eras, Many ex,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Ramayana +Maha bharta. but we can't discuss Here.

But Ruk also heard about it, How can, One Chess Chall changed History, Then,;;;;;;;;;So she is choosing that method.

When A person wants, Power,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Other realtion, Respect, of Others +husband not matters,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;In her mind is Only this, By Hook +by crook, she got One child, & she became MUZ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;& enjoy Power of MUZ,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;How can these days, she is enjoying power of B EKSingle time, she feel guilt, or sorry;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Which she done past,

is it was RIGHT, ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;No.These type of personalites, thinks, One plan flop, other think, They spents life acc to this;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;so when they punish, they suffer a Lot, But who is connected, them,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;They also suffers.

But One thing was noticaable;;;;;;Yesterday episode, when Jalal said, Why we gave OUR CHILDS TO RUK, Then Ruk HAKK will on that child. OUR CHILD shows, HOW MUCH, Realtionship Has GROWN;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;How Much Jalal Has Clear his Vision. Result i not know

But, Oneness Journey has been started. How Jalal & Ruk realtionship, standing, distance, Jone, But Ruk is unconsious;;;;;;;;;;;;;she is Busy Power-Gaining.

Jodha is, Confusing state of mind,first she heard, Salima +HB talks.

Second cause of soft heartness,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;She is feeling Ruk Pain.

She is Ragvanci,she is thinking for husband Pride. so she took decesion, i am not saying, Wrong or right. Child Point " I want to say;

Both are thinking for Eachother. Its a Heart Connection Tarr. so Two things, are carring on, this time. Outer world +Inner World. Thats a Akdha realtionship Grace.😃

Edited by ayushimehra - 11 years ago

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Antara123

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Posted: 11 years ago

#185

Awesome post as always. Sorry, cannot read 24 pages.😭

I agree. Ruqaiya... But I think, because the kid is Jalal's, chances are she will become MUZ. But, that woman has not thought of two possibilities:

A. Both are boys. Then which one will become king?

B. What if one is a girl? Will she specifically ask for a boy and make it obvious?

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Abhay

@history_geek

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+ 5

Posted: 11 years ago

#186

September 12, 2014:

I think the MOST awaited track of JA has been rolled out today..!!!!..Ruqayya's DOWNFALL

Today, she surpassed everything and anything...First, it was Taking a KID, and then getting it in writing TOO..!!!!!..

I really Liked Jalal's attitude to Ruqayya today, but it was clear that he was HELP-Less due to his PROMISE given to Ruqayya..!!..He did as she wished...I wish next time, all these promises are NOT "bestowed" so EASILY..😉

I liked the Farman No. 2 which Jalal took from Ruqs...Clearly shows, the amount of breach of trust that has happened between these 2...Her aim is JUST to be MUZ..!!!!!.

Anyways, this is WHAT happened with Khurram and Jodh Bai..I think one can imagine what Jodh Bai must have gone through..!!.

Precap shows return of MA...

PS -- Ruqs may do anything, but she WILL NOT get the kids as those two "unique pearls of the ocean of holiness" went to the other world soon after their BIRTH and FLUNG DOWN THE COIN OF THEIR LIVES.

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Abhay

@history_geek

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Posted: 11 years ago

#187

Originally posted by: najma123
Awesome post as always. Sorry, cannot read 24 pages.😭
I agree. Ruqaiya... But I think, because the kid is Jalal's, chances are she will become MUZ. But, that woman has not thought of two possibilities:
A. Both are boys. Then which one will become king?
B. What if one is a girl? Will she specifically ask for a boy and make it obvious?

Hey Najma,
You are asking the valid questions, but i think Ruqs has forgotten all this ...😆
She thinks about Power Power and Power only...

Infact, i have got bored now, just in 3 episodes..😕

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ayushimehra

@ayushimehra

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Posted: 11 years ago

#188

Episode,Was, interesting. (12, sep, friday )

DEK secene was, Good, But Ruk, as Useal not cares for Others Sentiments.

How this female, Digged her Own grave with Own Hands.

RUK Behaved, In DEK, Like as, Any corner she not Leaved, in her Planning.

But Not Cleared Akdha Talks When Jalal said, Humm Samaz gaya hee Joo Aap saMzana Chathi hee. (Please Clear )

Sharrif Father, or Sharrif plooting on The Floor.

But Liked HB, or, Jalal Used Brain, He wrote from Ruk, But MUZ point Jalal cleared Indirectely.

It Means, Ruk will Plan Jodha & first child Death.,

Last Words Ruk Eyes spoked Truth;;;;;;;;;;Some Dangerous Plan is Cooking.

if we see acc to history, Akbar distanced Ruk, , Today which gap, has come Husband Wife realtionship. Is Ruk feeled That.

Maybee, She, Enjoyed Power, or i think, Salim son brought up by Ruk, But Some gaps never fills. so, As a Friend she should belive, today, But She wrote, in written Pharman., by Jalal.

But This time she not thinks, because She wants to Win Power.But Ruk all is doing for MUZ,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;This point should be clear this Track. Because after dying, Kids

Next time Ruk will again say,;;;;;;;;;;;;;I want to adopt. If she plans this time to kill Jodha or Kid, This Plan be reopen Now;;;;;;;;;;;;;after sometime, Jodha when will again pregnant;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Kid life Go to danger.

Jodha should know Real face of Ruk. Mother Duty is also Very imp, Safty of Kids

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MaddyO

@MaddyO

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Posted: 11 years ago

#189

Originally posted by: najma123
Awesome post as always. Sorry, cannot read 24 pages.😭
I agree. Ruqaiya... But I think, because the kid is Jalal's, chances are she will become MUZ. But, that woman has not thought of two possibilities:
A. Both are boys. Then which one will become king?
B. What if one is a girl? Will she specifically ask for a boy and make it obvious?

I think what Ruk might be plotting is she will try to be inside the delivery room and bribe Hakima to say 2nd baby is a boy if Jodha gets one girl and one boy.

If Jodha gets both girls then MUZ nobody gets.

If Jodha gets both boys, maybe either Ruk will ask to be made MUZ for both since both the babies are born on same day and they both are Begums of Shehenshah.

Otherwise Ruk might try to kill Jodha's baby and so her baby becomes automatic waris and she gets MUZ.

I felt repulsed by Ruk today.

Abhay - I hope they do not do NR of this and Ruk NEVER lays a hand on the babies. Somehow Jalal ensures that both the babies remain with Jodha only from before their birth.
Poor babies in their short life deserve to be with their loving parents ONLY.

A woman like Ruk who used even unborn innocent infants as pawns in her ugly bid for power does not deserve to get an innocent baby this way.

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Sindhu Menon

@SindhuMenon

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#190

Originally posted by: MaddyO

I think what Ruk might be plotting is she will try to be inside the delivery room and bribe Hakima to say 2nd baby is a boy if Jodha gets one girl and one boy.

If Jodha gets both girls then MUZ nobody gets.

If Jodha gets both boys, maybe either Ruk will ask to be made MUZ for both since both the babies are born on same day and they both are Begums of Shehenshah.

Otherwise Ruk might try to kill Jodha's baby and so her baby becomes automatic waris and she gets MUZ.

I felt repulsed by Ruk today.

Abhay - I hope they do not do NR of this and Ruk NEVER lays a hand on the babies. Somehow Jalal ensures that both the babies remain with Jodha only from before their birth.
Poor babies in their short life deserve to be with their loving parents ONLY.

A woman like Ruk who used even unborn innocent infants as pawns in her ugly bid for power does not deserve to get an innocent baby this way.