HE questioned 'HIS Shadow' BUT answer came from 'SOUL'.!.Updt-Pg28 - Page 16

Originally posted by: history_geek

Nabiii,

Abhi se, why are you fearing...??...
I was very much in high spirits by your comments.. 😉 ..
Let's see, JJ will NOT associate this with MA..esp Jodha...She has to emerge stronger this time, when Jalal is down by back to back loss of those who were CLOSE to him (or who appeared close to him..)...

Originally posted by: history_geek

Replied in Blue above..Nice post Purani.. 😊

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Beautiful write up Abhay...as always...👏

I loved the last JJ scene yesterday, when Jalal almost loses his self control...& Jo comes n beautifully provides him emotional support...

But I don't know how far I can agree with your interpretation of Jo's recital for the noble Atgah's departed soul...

1)almost every single person present for the noble Atgah's final goodbye was grieving...including Jalal, Jiji Anga, HB, everybody...

If one were to take the shlok as a condolence, it was meant to be a condolence for all who were physically present there....which I think it was...

2)I interpret the shlok's recital as thus:

It was recited in glory of the fiercely brave & loyal Atgah...that though Atgah's body is slain, his soul isn't...this pure soul is eternal...

3) Jalal needed to cry bitterly for his bereavement, which he did, first in the bathtub, & then on actually seeing Atgah Sahab's body for the first time since his death...both the times, Jo let him be by himself....if at all her soul needed to connect with Jalal's, I would think it would have to be the first time rather than the second time...

4)when cvs want to show the soul connect between JJ during their lifetime, they do it a way that it is CLEAR to the audience...like in Ben track, when Jalal goes to get her back from heaven's doorstep... No other form of communication with Jo was possible then...hence there was a soul connect between the two....

5) Infact, even their soul talk after 400+ years of their death is shown with their maqbara being shown as site for soul talk...else it causes confusion to the viewer...

This is purely my interpretation of Jo's recital of the shlok...you may of course, agree to disagree, Abhay...😊

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Abhay ,Baap re ,how much knowledge you have.I am just amused.I think Larry Page is gonna call you for giving his "dream" or his "baby" tough competition

Originally posted by: ashpat

Great to see your beautiful and touching post, Abhay! 👏

I just LOVED Akdha scene. It had raw emotions, passion, compassion, care, concern, love, support and everything. Actually, I cried witnessing their love- esp. to c how Jodha's declaration of support and love to Jalal. It was Jalal who professed love beautifully before SR and today ti was Jodha. I usually don't get emotional easily unless it's very sad or emotional. So, I was suprised mysel today. If I remember correctly, last time I cried was during confrontation at end of sujamal track and astral scene of Akdha when Jo was unconscious after Ben track.

When I was watching today's scene of Akdha, it reminded me of real Akbar-HK and the info that I have read in your historical threads especially when Jodha says she will be will him even if parents, friends or children are not with them. It reminded me of something about HK supporting Akbar when Salim rebelled which I have read somewhere (I don't know if it was in your thread or somewhere else, correct me if I am wrong). I hope CVS maintain these kind of scenes between Akdha and show all aspects of their relationship: emotional, mental, physical, and spiritual.

I just loved how Jodha gave it back to MA at the end and said that as Mughal begum, she will give an heir to Mughal Saltanat and assure that it flourishes. How far she has come just like Jalal from hatred to this kind of devoted, passionate, emotional, spiritual love.

I really wished I could go back in time and witness real Akbar-HK's love and their lives' journey. Fortunate are the ones who witnessed it and blessed are the ones who have or had this kind of love.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Gem,
The Episode was Very Nice, except the OTT and Unrealistic act of Maham..Which we can Ignore and enjoy the Weekend...The Creatives seem to be in a good mood these days...Yes, Ruqs will be back to Square one..😆..There was NO Doubt about this in my mind...NO Big Leap...Kuch nahi hoga ... That's why i wrote few Tracks in my main post...Do you think the CV's will leave all this.?. And jump to Salim - Anarkali.?. Let's forget all that...And enjoy the episodes...

just loved Friday's episode..specially jolal scenes are beautifully picturised,whr jalal feels exhausted and felt nothing left to live..thr is no strength left in him ..he started thinking how his own ones his close ones his blood relations went against him just for the sake of power fame and money...mahamanga's curse made jalal completely broken..he started hating his life his power his takt everything..coz of this takt his well wishers his loyal ones died..coz of this takt his close ones his blood relations went against him..now this curse tore him completely..he started feeling suffocated coz of this takt he is loosing everone in his life..started feeling life is full of thorns ..life has become a curse .. just lost everything in his life coz of this takt..then he wanted to destroy the route cause of his pain ,sorrow and unhappiness... he started burning the takt thinking that he il give up his takt he may be able to save his loyal ones..he may live his rest of his life with no pain no sorrows..he can lead a peaceful life..his loyal ones life il be safe...then here jodha sees him burning the takt.. then she realised he needs her physical presence caring love affection her support...now jalal started feeling life is a curse...here jodha made him realise she il be thr with him through out his life ..she loved the man inside him..she loved him as a man not becoz of his takt or power... no matter even his own relatives ,kids go agianst him and betray him..but she and her love and her support il be thr with him through out his life..she il live for him and die for him..she wanted to live her life with him and to die with him..wen jalal feels that life is nothing but pain..thr god sent jodha in his life as a cool breeze to make him realize that life is not a pain..but life is like a garden.. whr u il find beautiful roses and throns too..but one need to handle both,,only then u il feel the essence of beautiful life.. not everyones life is made of bed of roses..even beautiful roses has throns in it... jalal ko lagne laga hai zindagi ek kaanta hai jo sirf dard ke alawa kuch nahi..par jodha ne kal use yakin dilaya zindagi kaanta nahi hai balki zindagi gulzar hai..jaha khubsurat phool bhi hote hai aur dard dene wale kaante bhi..dono ko seh kar age badna hi zindagi hai...Past is fading and future is rising..finally its gonna be a new morning whr thr true journey of akbar the grt with the support of his beloved begum MUZ has started...the journey has started which changed the fate of India..the journey whr two individuals whr the love and thr strength changed the fate of hindustan.. whr generations feels proud to talk about them as epic lovers who not only loved each other unconditionally but also changed the fate of hindustan.. whr people started treating other religions equally ..started accepting other religions..ab inki prem kahani shuru huyi."Kyunki thihaas ko deni thi ek aisi prem kahani jo shamsheer ki dhaar par chali aur payal ki jhankar ko bhi na bhuli" ye ek aisi prem kahani jo do alag insanoko hi nahi balki do mazab ko ek kardiya... jab tak ye dhuniya hai tab tak jodha akbar aur inki prem kahani yaad ki jayegi..

the scene touched my soul till date was wen jodha made him realise that she il be with him ,her uncoditional love and support will be always with him through out his life no matter chahe koi ho ya na ho... isnt jalal the most luckiest person in this world.. whr he has jodha in his life who loves him unconditioanlly,she loves him coz he is her husband not becoz of takt or power or fame.. har kisi ke zindagi main jodha jaisi ek shaks ho to unki zindagi ki badi si badi mushkil ko bi aasani se par karjayenge.. see jo is with him like his shadow..isnt jalal lucky..wen jodha hugged him ,took him in her arms..hugged him to her chest like a mother and loved him and cared him that moment jalal forgot all his pain sorrows tensions and slept off peacefully like a small baby ... remember before bens track hb said to jalal ..soon u il find some one in whose arms u il find peace love whr u il forget everything and sleep peacefully ...see yesterday jo hugged him protected him from everyone,every pain that he forgot everything and slept peacefully like a small baby hugging his mother.. jalal il find Peace only in jo's arms.. only jo can handle him.. no one had the guts to go near him to handle his rage ...see how beautifully she handled him cared him and loved him which made him to forget all his pain in her arms...

coming to curse this is just to create a hype and for trp's ...now challenge between jo and maham..maham said u both ill live with no waaris through out ur life..jo replied she will ensure she il give birth to waaris..twins may die but she il win the challenge by giving birth to salim... if we go by history no such curse was given by maham to jalal...this ekta mayya is famous for mirch masala.. i am not taking this curse thing seriously..jalal il blame and curse himself for his twins death.. jo il be his strength agian..this curse is just to cash more trp's ... we il be punished for our sins not for others.. maham still has not changed..i think the way she was talking to herself in the jail made me to think she il become mad soon... il be shown on death bed...

i am just waiting to see wat il be next track..if bakshi is to give birth to stillborn child then we can see sharif exposure soon..i wanted to see how jalal will react wen he gets to no that sharif was lusting his baagin,his beloved wife... and coming to rukku so she il be back to square one on moday..good..muje rukku ki itni mitas pasand nahi hai..good now she il do something and gets caught and being punished... just hope mayya wont come up with twin sharing theory..never happened in history..but mayya's show kuch bi hosakta hai..

Originally posted by: nabiii

abhay, frm the conversation b/w jo n maham i felt it was battle b/w the curse of evil n the pure hear where Almighty is inhabiting.

Moreover, cvs largely is indicating on Jalal's giving punishment to adham wl b inauspicious for his life in future occuring death of his twins.

I support Jalal the barbarously he has punished adham b/c adham has deserved this kind of consequence for his whole life's sins. Nevertheless, may we ignore maham's claim that why didn't Jalal bring adham under the system of law before punishing? Why did Jalal take law in his hand? Or this may b come as perception if Jalal handled strictly adham before then today he wouldn't face such awful situation or perhaps atgha would remain alive! Can these questions make Jalal's justice slightly indolent?

However, in every religion its ordered to human being controlling his/her wrath in any kind of situation b/c wrath can easily devastate anyone's life n somehow it was obvious that Jalal wasn't enabling to control his wrath at the time of punishing adham(i m repeating i m not quite contrary on jalal's decission) simultaneously despite being a wicked lady maham's roaring before her died son was coming genuienly as a mother who could haven't survive her only one son to do anything! Here situation is liked slight controversial to me. Life is really strange! When,what wl b happened that nobody knows it.

above all this,i believe evil can't ever triumph before purity.

Originally posted by: nabiii

@maddy: i m frightening more what if cvs keep maham till twins death n show her enjoyment to see jj's mataam before twins death bodies. Jalal wl feel huge guilt n free depressed maham for temardari on the purpose of paap mochaan! Phew. I can't keep a bit faith on cvs's natkiya rupantaar.

Originally posted by: history_geek

@Radhika and Rashmi...

I have an interesting thing to share with you...We all write as we have experienced in our lives...OR according to how we think...

Since you are discussing about MA's Curse and Jalal's Manhandling in Sujamal Fiasco...And this is something which you think is WRONG to be shown on the TV..

Hence, i want to share this...

1.
MA's Curse is being viewed as glorifying the Belief of a Curse coming out to be True.!!.

Though, I am viewing this lightly. As i think this Element is introduced to further strengthen J-J relation...And, Jodha's answer to MA did give a HINT in this regard...And in that case the Curse Theory was REJECTED by Jodha We can also see this as wrong ,because MA is invoking the Almighty for a WRONG act., just for satisfy her vengeance... Let us see how this Curse Angle is shown further...

BTW, In Medieval Times, we have enough stories of "Curse" being given...Like the Curse of Sufi Saint Nizamuddin Auliya(not elaborating)...But , i agree Maham is no Saint...😉... Also, even Curses of Khwaja Sheras were taken very seriously...

Overall, CV's did not do it right, but we have to see , how this track shapes up further...


2. And, Jalal's Mandhandling WAS SEEN in that track as Wrong by some...and normal by some...Again, we may take this as a TV Show and take this lightly...But, in my own Family my uncle(an advocate in SC of India ) took this as Very Wrong Because many surveys have shown the wrong impacts of such acts in TV Serials...And, some of my Forum Friends, also took it wrong, again as i said - Based on their experience / readings...More than that, it was like showing Akbar as a tyrant with his Wife..Many of us will think what will a man do in such a case...This is difficult to answer for me, but even our Law favors the Females in such cases when they are manhandled...BTW, there was an uproar as well, in the Indian parliament last year...in this regard...😉 ... Just google for this once...Not writing here...

Overall, both acts are Wrong, in my opinion, esp. the second one...!!!!...Both are social Evils which our society is fighting today..!!...

This is my view BASED on what all i have seen with my eyes, and since, i have seen the Case-2 many times, due to the profession of my family members in one form or other...The second case is something i STRONGLY CONDEMN..!!!.

PS -- It was my opinion.. 😊