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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay 👏
What a wonderful post. Cannot put in words. I am rarely at loss for words but today I am!

I had realized it was a shlok from Gita but did not know its full meaning.
I thought it was recited for Adga Khan.

Abhay no matter what you do in life, you SHOULD NEVER STOP WRITING.
That will be a crime.

Please consider the suggestion of turning all your historical threads into a book.

I hope you post your takes about the episodes daily.



Thank you Maddy...
I do write whenever i get time at hand..I will try my Best..

But, a short Post from YOU.?.
I was expecting a Usual Long Post..!!!!


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Posted: 11 years ago
Wonderful post abhay , what can i say when u tell very beautiful aspect of episode. Me , divya and paddy went through few discussion over that episode as I was not able to gasp why she retreated when he needed her most . He was in complete zombi state but still his mind body and soul knew where to go for solace but she did not responded ,when u r soul
mate , u feel his pain , his agony1st , she had quite time for her self , to go through her emotion and collect herself as we know how strong she is . At that moment the outer look does not matter becoz she should have seen pain his eyes , that empty ness in his whole being , what was needed at that moment was just a silent hug , no words or any other action , becoz in state of empty ness he still asked her is she ok ? That is how his soul is in sync with her . In hamaam what she did was perfect , he needed that outlet & what she did on next day was marvalous , she did what a soul mate would do to cradle him , to shield him, share his pain and making sure she is there and will be there for eternity .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Rashmi81


Sorry Radhika,
But you can't compare Blind faith and superstitions effects on society with the way Jalal talked to Jodha.They are both different things.



Rashmi,

I am only comparing the learning outcomes. If people can be influenced by watching superstitions then they can be influenced by watching female harassment too.


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Posted: 11 years ago
I posted this on Maddy's Sunday Thread..




Maddy,

Beautiful post and beautiful collections...
I want to say something more...
We all are humans and Emotions are Part of our Lives...

Same is the case with prince and same fora paupers...
I wanted to support my above statement from the REAL life of Akbar where he was taken aback, and wanted to renounce this World. ( It is said.) But, i am not mentioning HISTORY here.. ;p

So, Friday's Episode was on similar Lines...There are times when we find ourselves dilapidated between extremes of our emotions...You can not control yourself always...There are times when you burst out...There are times when you can not restrain yourself further...No matter you are Shahenshah or you are a pauper...It happens with all...Akbar cried bitterly in court at the death of Abul Fazl...Same thing happened at the death of Faizi (brother of Abul Fazl) ... When Akbar brought his Chief Hakim - Ain Mulk to cure Faizi...But Faizi was dead by then...And, its recorded that Akbar ASKED THE DEAD Faizi to get up, for he(Akbar) has come ...These 2 are quite emotional moments...All i want to say is even the BEST MAN on this Earth can NOT escape his Emotions...Friday's episode was a "tumult" of EMotions..

I JUST want to say that, sometimes you lose "yourself" and in those moments you need someone to console you...Life is not a journey of walking alone...How can it be.?. Your shadow always remains with you...Jalal was broken on Friday...He was emotionally vulnerable...A young man of 22...who had seen nothing but HIS own people turning against him...And, Friday was a moment to burst out...It was the time for Jodha to stand up for him...I think that episode was a watershed moment...for it brought the essence of Husband - Wife relationship...Isn't this why we call a wife as "Ardhangini" - which means the " other half " ...????... I can not tell you, how much i loved that scene... The Story REALLY LOOKED Like Jodha - Akbar ..!!!!... Emotions were displayed with royalty...



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Posted: 11 years ago
@Radhika and Rashmi...

I have an interesting thing to share with you...We all write as we have experienced in our lives...OR according to how we think...

Since you are discussing about MA's Curse and Jalal's Manhandling in Sujamal Fiasco...And this is something which you think is WRONG to be shown on the TV..

Hence, i want to share this...

1.
MA's Curse is being viewed as glorifying the Belief of a Curse coming out to be True.!!.

Though, I am viewing this lightly. As i think this Element is introduced to further strengthen J-J relation...And, Jodha's answer to MA did give a HINT in this regard...And in that case the Curse Theory was REJECTED by Jodha We can also see this as wrong ,because MA is invoking the Almighty for a WRONG act., just for satisfy her vengeance... Let us see how this Curse Angle is shown further...

BTW, In Medieval Times, we have enough stories of "Curse" being given...Like the Curse of Sufi Saint Nizamuddin Auliya(not elaborating)...But , i agree Maham is no Saint...😉... Also, even Curses of Khwaja Sheras were taken very seriously...

Overall, CV's did not do it right, but we have to see , how this track shapes up further...


2. And, Jalal's Mandhandling WAS SEEN in that track as Wrong by some...and normal by some...Again, we may take this as a TV Show and take this lightly...But, in my own Family my uncle(an advocate in SC of India ) took this as Very Wrong Because many surveys have shown the wrong impacts of such acts in TV Serials...And, some of my Forum Friends, also took it wrong, again as i said - Based on their experience / readings...More than that, it was like showing Akbar as a tyrant with his Wife..Many of us will think what will a man do in such a case...This is difficult to answer for me, but even our Law favors the Females in such cases when they are manhandled...BTW, there was an uproar as well, in the Indian parliament last year...in this regard...😉 ... Just google for this once...Not writing here...

Overall, both acts are Wrong, in my opinion, esp. the second one...!!!!...Both are social Evils which our society is fighting today..!!...

This is my view BASED on what all i have seen with my eyes, and since, i have seen the Case-2 many times, due to the profession of my family members in one form or other...The second case is something i STRONGLY CONDEMN..!!!.

PS -- It was my opinion.. 😊


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

@Radhika and Rashmi...

I have an interesting thing to share with you...We all write as we have experienced in our lives...OR according to how we think...

Since you are discussing about MA's Curse and Jalal's Manhandling in Sujamal Fiasco...And this is something which you think is WRONG to be shown on the TV..

Hence, i want to share this...

1.
MA's Curse is being viewed as glorifying the Belief of a Curse coming out to be True.!!.

Though, I am viewing this lightly. As i think this Element is introduced to further strengthen J-J relation...And, Jodha's answer to MA did give a HINT in this regard...And in that case the Curse Theory was REJECTED by Jodha We can also see this as wrong ,because MA is invoking the Almighty for a WRONG act., just for satisfy her vengeance... Let us see how this Curse Angle is shown further...

BTW, In Medieval Times, we have enough stories of "Curse" being given...Like the Curse of Sufi Saint Nizamuddin Auliya(not elaborating)...But , i agree Maham is no Saint...😉... Also, even Curses of Khwaja Sheras were taken very seriously...

Overall, CV's did not do it right, but we have to see , how this track shapes up further...


2. And, Jalal's Mandhandling WAS SEEN in that track as Wrong by some...and normal by some...Again, we may take this as a TV Show and take this lightly...But, in my own Family my uncle(an advocate in SC of India ) took this as Very Wrong Because many surveys have shown the wrong impacts of such acts in TV Serials...And, some of my Forum Friends, also took it wrong, again as i said - Based on their experience / readings...More than that, it was like showing Akbar as a tyrant with his Wife..Many of us will think what will a man do in such a case...This is difficult to answer for me, but even our Law favors the Females in such cases when they are manhandled...BTW, there was an uproar as well, in the Indian parliament last year...in this regard...😉 ... Just google for this once...Not writing here...

Overall, both acts are Wrong, in my opinion, esp. the second one...!!!!...Both are social Evils which our society is fighting today..!!...

This is my view BASED on what all i have seen with my eyes, and since, i have seen the Case-2 many times, due to the profession of my family members in one form or other...The second case is something i STRONGLY CONDEMN..!!!.

PS -- It was my opinion.. 😊




Abhay this entire curse and blessings discussion is fascinating.
I think what MATTERS is the purity of the person giving curse and blessings. It mattered in all ages.
The curse of a pure soul, of Rishis had the power to destroy because THEY WERE pure souls.
The curse of MA cannot be equated because she herself has committed so many sins. She is a murderer, full of sins and her dua or bad-dua have no value.

Why blessings by KS (or current times transvestites) are considered powerful is because they are considered unfortunate beings in life so when they give a blessing especially it is considered coming from heart. If you remember the movie HAHK where they come to give blessings to the newborn baby. This is a practice still followed they come to bless the new borns.

I did not like the scene of MA giving curses, especially to the unborn babies. CVs showed her as far more important or moral by showing this - she was a vile, disgusting woman and does not deserve to be glorified.
Not does Ashwni deserve this special treatment! Jijianga or Aziz are the victims here and we never got to see them. Why did CVs not show Jijianga reply to MA saying her son killed Adga and punishment by Jalal was just and her curse will have no effect.

It is something both Jodha and Jalal will think after the twins death. They will realize it was God's will however, the words are bound to haunt Jalal especially.

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Posted: 11 years ago
@maddy: i m frightening more what if cvs keep maham till twins death n show her enjoyment to see jj's mataam before twins death bodies. Jalal wl feel huge guilt n free depressed maham for temardari on the purpose of paap mochaan! Phew. I can't keep a bit faith on cvs's natkiya rupantaar.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Not necessity, not desire - no, the love of power is the demon of men. Let them have everything - health, food, a place to live, entertainment - they are and remain unhappy and low-spirited; for the demon waits and waits and will be satisfied.

Friedrich Nietzsche

The tide is turning in Jalal's life. The past is ebbing away, the present is uncertain, and the future tentative.

He is in the throes of a moral crisis.

Yesterday when he saw himself for the first time in the mirror, all painted with blood, Jalal woke up from the numbness of not just that moment, but from the numbness of a lifetime, in which he had witnessed many a struggle for power and authority in Hindustan, symbolised by the Mughal throne.

Yesterday, he suddenly became aware that his hands were covered with blood, not just literally but also figuratively speaking. It was one of the most life-changing moments for Jalal. Like the moment that changed Ashoka forever after he witnessed the devastation he had caused to win Kalinga.

In an instant, he was filled with repugnance and self-loathing. He rushed to wash off that blood and with it the guilt that had lain hidden inside his heart for years - guilt associated with his struggle against his own family to retain the Mughal takht. When Jalal was trying to wash all that blood from his hands in the hamam and screaming his soul out for the latest person he had lost as the price for keeping the takht - for an instant, he reminded me of Lady Macbeth. His hands refused to stop scrubbing at the stubborn blood that seemed to drip from the wounds of all the people who had died so that Jalal could sit on the throne. I felt that his mind was continuously replaying his past and no amount of water was able to cleanse him of his guilt.

This internal struggle within himself spilled over into today's episode. After Mahamanga had cursed him to mourn for his kids as she mourned for her son, again the past started replaying in Jalal's mind. He couldn't fathom why, in spite of being the Shahenshah of Hindustan, he was doomed to remain alone and had to witness his loved ones departing and the ones who wanted to dethrone/kill him increasing around him.

Who knows what true loneliness is - not the conventional word but the naked terror?
Joseph Conrad

I feel anyone who is in some position of power or who wants to be in some position of power ought to see those moments (yesterday and today) wherein Jalal tried to expunge his innermost demons of guilt and fear in outbursts that seemed to tear his soul apart. He lamented the throne to which he was stuck for it had turned even his foster parents against him. It had divided his family and robbed him of the love of a family, the affection of friends, and the trust of comrades.

I had not been quite ready to accept Jalal as a throne-burning kind of person. But today, when he burnt the throne, it seemed the most natural thing in the world to do at the time. His extreme loneliness, the angst he felt in his heart, the struggle he was unable to resolve in his mind - between wanting to love and be loved and the realization that people loved his throne more than him and even those who he had regarded as his mothers would not think twice before killing him - every feeling arose slowly like smoke from burning cinders.

Here was a man who was crumbling in front of our eyes and clearly needed someone to bring back before he was annihilated by his own raw emotions.

I was spell-bound to watch Jalal today, expressing all his pent up grief and rage through his eyes initially and later through a very violent physical gesture.






Radhika,

As many have already said, i am also spell bound by this spectacular summarization of Jalal, and you mention of Lady MacBeth, made me remember the famous " South Door Knock " , of MacBeth...You have not left anything to be added here...

Beautifully Written.. 😊


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: nabiii

@maddy: i m frightening more what if cvs keep maham till twins death n show her enjoyment to see jj's mataam before twins death bodies. Jalal wl feel huge guilt n free depressed maham for temardari on the purpose of paap mochaan! Phew. I can't keep a bit faith on cvs's natkiya rupantaar.



Nabiii,

Abhi se, why are you fearing...??...
I was very much in high spirits by your comments.. 😉 ..
Let's see, JJ will NOT associate this with MA..esp Jodha...She has to emerge stronger this time, when Jalal is down by back to back loss of those who were CLOSE to him (or who appeared close to him..)...


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: surochitadutta

Abhay ek toh I was already speechless by that 5 minutes of classic upar se your post has left me spellbound.. I so wanted a post from you... So thank you so so much buddy you are really gifted...

I have lots to say about your take and that scene and Akbar. Jodha but right now words are betraying me so will write latter...



Thanks Surochita...
I could not reply to Earlier Posts but i liked them...They are awesome as always..!!.

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