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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

Beautifully written Khushi...

I agree with you today that MA loves AK more then Jallu...at least it looks like this...tomorrow MA is going to be heart broken...


Ela...its not about MA loving Adham more...

It's about ONLY loving Adham...it was a gradual process when love/affection for the child Jalal gradually changed to resentment against the Emperor Jalal in MA'S diseased mind...for which she thinks she has justifications...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Res - will make my post later Khushi - need time for this !
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: mandyg

khushi wonderful post and yes blood is thicker than milk otherwise maham will become god and we are all humans..not god!


Mandy...I will have to disagree with you here...There are many humans in this world who are NOT swayed by blood while making critical decisions...prime example is Warren Buffet...

I know quite a few people in close proximity too...There is one couple i know who adopted a child after many years of childlessness, then had a biological child of their own too...n are now doing full justice to BOTH the kids...

There was nothing humane in what Maham did...on the contrary, it was the most inhuman thing to do...to camouflage her resentment against Jalal under the veil of the purest form of love in the universe, maternal love...unforgivable, imho...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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MA behavioural pattern can also be explained wrt Alter ego...
An alter ego is a second self, which is believed to be distinct from a person's normal or original personality. A person who has an alter ego is said to lead a double life.

MA loved the child Jalal, but then gradually her alter ego started becoming more powerful ...this alter ego resented MA'S love, & time given to Jalal, which it thought belonged to only Adham...this alter ego strengthened with time, which killed Jalal's unborn kids, along with other crimes..., n finally it overpowered MA...which set the stage for the Atifa track...

It was MA & her alter ego alternately giving justifications to Jalal yesterday...the alter ego was not aggressive as usual because it was pleading for Adham's life...
Edited by ---Khushi--- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Khushi,
What a brilliant analysis !
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
I liked your depth . How beautifully you have brought out the conscious & the unconscious elements in MA's mind ! Her repressed fears & conflicts...Simply superb !

To be honest,
I am yet to recover from yesterday's onslaught !
True, it was very well executed & far better than the movie version...
The spectacular turn of events left me more awestruck than moved !

What can I say about these 3 brilliant actors
Rajat, Ashwini & Chetan !
Uff...Uff...Uff !
No words of praise could justify their acting prowess !
Acting of this kind could possibly be the only reason for the failure of our JA deaddiction ...

Chetan is clearly an under rated actor in JA. Adam's steely resolve & callous attitude with death daring at his face was a sheer delight to watch !
I am extremely angry over CVs for not doing justice to this immensely talented actor !

Rajat gets under the skin of the role, just like he always does, and makes Jalal his own, and from every pause he takes between his lines, to every twitch of his face, he is so utterly convincing !
His blood bathed face with brooding eyes sent chills down my spine ! Uff !

There is no one in JA who could match Rajat's appeal & talent except for Ashwini Kalsekar !
But in yesterday's episode I felt, she was at her peerless best ! I could't take my eyes out of her...OMG ! What an amazing actress she is ...

Take a Bow for Aswini Kalsekar for her brilliant potrayal of
Manipulative, Monstrous & Mesmerizing Mahamanga !

Rajat & Ashwini are great artists where art does not just imitate life, art is life. They both are geniuses...know how to connect with the audience & make us feel what they are experiencing!

Sheer delight to watch this impressive acting duo ! Sad indeed for this could possibly be their final act together !

Edited by harrybird - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Title edited as per Anjali's (aka harrybird) suggestion...
Thank u Anjali...will get back to your post later in the day...😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
#17

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Title edited as per Anjali's (aka harrybird) suggestion...

Thank u Anjali...will get back to your post later in the day...😳


Why this kolaveri dear ! 😉 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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THAT WAY, YOU JALAL, WILL BE SAFE, & ADHAM ALIVE---this is the key to her psychology which unlocks so many vagaries of her psychotic mind...she has always used her APPARENT CONCERN FOR JALAL as her emotional weapon to safeguard HER REAL CONCERN FOR ADHAM.....
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Well said...I could never believe that she loved Jalal...I hope. Jalal also understood that when he heard her blabberings yesterday


I had just this in mind whenever I read MA loved Jalal and it showed yesterday...

She had never loved Jalal...only used his emotional vulnerability to her gains...
Edited by selvi1275 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Maham's mental framework:

Yesterday, the cvs reiterated their interpretation of MA'S character...that of a psychopath...her character has been very complex from the very beginning...

She was a Baandi...who served royalty...when she got the opportunity to be a wet nurse to the heir of the Mughal dynasty, she grasped it with both hands...she was privileged...& thus were sown the seeds of ambition in a devious mind...

Yesterday, her entire sham fell apart...

1)She got a vision of a bloodied Jalal - she was petrified for Adham ...NOT FOR JALAL...as she always knew that Adham's downfall would be his mindless rage...BUT SHE KEPT MOUTHING THE DIALOGUE THAT JALAL'S LIFE WAS AT RISK...

2) When she actually met a bloodied Jalal- she asks him, "Jalal Kya aapko chot lagti hai?"...she actually meant...KYA ADHAM KO CHOT LAGI HAI??...she feared it might be Adham's blood...

3) She then admits that she had been fearing that Adham was going to hurt Jalal...when she ACTUALLY KNEW THAT IN THE EVENT OF THAT POSSIBILITY, ADHAM WOULD BE THE ONE TO ACTUALLY GET HURT during the process of a mindless attack on the emperor of India...

4) She then tells Jalal that she was going to send him a message that Adham was going to attack Jalal....THAT MESSAGE WOULD ACTUALLY BE TO STOP ADHAM FROM ATTACKING JALAL FOR ADHAM'S OWN GOOD...NOT JALAL's...

5) Jalal then tells her that Adham has committed a serious crime for which he has punished him...to which Maham replies, " it is best to keep Adham in jail...THAT WAY, YOU JALAL, WILL BE SAFE, & ADHAM ALIVE...

THAT WAY, YOU JALAL, WILL BE SAFE, & ADHAM ALIVE---this is the key to her psychology which unlocks so many vagaries of her psychotic mind...she has always used her APPARENT CONCERN FOR JALAL as her emotional weapon to safeguard HER REAL CONCERN FOR ADHAM.....

6) i)She then says that Adham always wanted to be at par with Jalal...WHEN ACTUALLY, IT WAS MAHAM WHO WANTED TO SEE ADHAM AT PAR WITH JALAL...
ii) She says Adham wanted everything that Jalal had, whether it was toys of childhood...or the throne n crown of adulthood...WHEN ACTUALLY, IT WAS MAHAM WHO WANTED THAT...SHE ACTUALLY FALTERS WHEN SHE SAYS THE CROWN & THE THRONE- at that point, probably she herself realises what she has done...
iii) She then says Adham is so foolish...he does not understand that you are a Shehenshah, while he is just a maid's son...n he is jealous of you...he is so foolish----SHE IS SAYING ALL THIS ACTUALLY FOR HERSELF...THAT SHE HAS BEEN SO FOOLISH...
iv) She then says that Adham was so jealous of Jalal that it made him selfish...----ACTUALLY, THIS JEALOUSY HAD MADE MAHAM SELFISH...

7)She then blurts out the biggest truth...THAT ITS ACTUALLY NOT ADHAM's FAULT...IT IS HER OWN FAULT...

8) after blurting out this biggest sham of her life, Maham again tries to shield herself by using her favourite weapon-- her APPARENT CONCERN FOR JALAL ...she tries to justify her SELFISH DEEDS to Jalal by saying that she always ignored Adham to look after Jalal - she immediately says that SHE DOES NOT RUE THIS...SHE DID IT AS HER DUTY...FROM HER HEART...

9) then comes the real truth..
i)..she says that SHE REALISED THAT SHE GAVE ADHAM's share of HER TIME TO JALAL...SHE GAVE ADHAM's SHARE OF HER LOVE TO JALAL...
ii)she says that bec of this Adham had begun to get jealous of Jalal...WHEN ACTUALLY, THIS GUILT STARTED MAKING HER RESENT JALAL...
iii) she says, that Adham had got blinded in jealousy...WHEN ACTUALLY SHE GOT BLINDED WITH THIS RESENTMENT AGAINST JALAL...
iv)she says, that this is why he did such deeds...WHEN ACTUALLY SHE IS TRYING TO JUSTIFY HER OWN DEEDS TO JALAL...
v) she says, that Adham has done something wrong, but YOU JALAL DO THE RIGHT THING AFTER A LOT OF THINKING ...what she didn't say was "after thinking about whatever I have done for you"...
vi) She then says, "Don't think about me..."...BECAUSE SHE HAS JUST CONFESSED HER MISDEEDS TO HIM...& knows that whatever she has done is unforgivable...
vii)...so she pleads with Jalal to think about Jaaveeda...saying Jaaveeda would die if something were to happen to Adham...WHEN ACTUALLY SHE MEANS THAT SHE HERSELF WOULD DIE IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO ADHAM...

10) She then finally wants to know what crime had Adham committed, n what punishment has Jalal given him...had Jalal beaten up Adham??
Jalal informs her of Adham having killed his Atgah Saab...
...MA knew it then...SHE KNEW IT THEN ITSELF WHAT ATGAH WAS TO JALAL...SHE SAYS, "yaa Allah..."...n then blabbers how Jalal's blood must have boiled at this...n good that Jalal had punished Adham..."
...but she knew...she feared the worst...so she probes Jalal..."did u beat Adham a lot??...you've done right...but seeing the blood on your body, did u beat him a lot??"

11) she then admits the biggest truth of her life...That ADHAM IS HER PRIDE...SHE IS ALIVE ...ONLY FOR HER SON, Adham...

12)SHE THEN ASKS FOR PUNISHMENT FOR HERSELF---this is another key which unlocks More vagaries of Maham's mind...she asks for life imprisonment, without sunlight, without food, without water...BECAUSE IT IS SHE HERSELF WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING ADHAM WHAT HE WAS...so she pleads with Jalal to forgive Adham & punish her, the real culprit....

At this point, Jalal hugs Maham to offer her his shoulder coz it wasn't going to be easy for a mother to realise that she was singlehandedly responsible for mentally corrupting her child since childhood & passing on the thoughts of her diseased mind to her son, which eventually resulted in his untimely death...

13) Maham finally faints on seeing Jaaveeda in a widow's attire...
...n Jalal hands her over to the baandis, totally emotionally drained out after this confession from MA...he realised that,.
BLOOD is indeed thicker than MILK...

Maham's mind has always believed what Maham has told it...Maham always told her mind that she did not want to see Jalal dead (to reduce her guilt) ...& her mind believed it...WHEN ACTUALLY IT WOULD NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO HER ...as long as her goal was being achieved...

It was indeed poetic justice served by the Universe that Jalal killed MA's only child...that MA who killed so many of Jalal's unborn children ...what goes round, comes around...




(Update:
MA behavioural pattern can also be explained wrt Alter ego...
An alter ego is a second self, which is believed to be distinct from a person's normal or original personality. A person who has an alter ego is said to lead a double life.

MA loved the child Jalal, but then gradually her alter ego started becoming more powerful ...this alter ego resented MA'S love, & time given to Jalal, which it thought belonged to only Adham...this alter ego strengthened with time, which killed Jalal's unborn kids, along with other crimes..., n finally it overpowered MA...which set the stage for the Atifa track...

It was MA & her alter ego alternately giving justifications to Jalal yesterday...the alter ego was not aggressive as usual because it was pleading for Adham's life...)

fantastic post
I have never read a better analysis of maham than your post 👏👏👏👏👏👏
you pointed to what she is inside out v?s what she portrays or means
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Posted: 10 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: harrybird

Khushi,
What a brilliant analysis !
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
I liked your depth . How beautifully you have brought out the conscious & the unconscious elements in MA's mind ! Her repressed fears & conflicts...Simply superb !

To be honest,
I am yet to recover from yesterday's onslaught !
True, it was very well executed & far better than the movie version...
The spectacular turn of events left me more awestruck than moved !

What can I say about these 3 brilliant actors
Rajat, Ashwini & Chetan !
Uff...Uff...Uff !
No words of praise could justify their acting prowess !
Acting of this kind could possibly be the only reason for the failure of our JA deaddiction ...

Chetan is clearly an under rated actor in JA. Adam's steely resolve & callous attitude with death daring at his face was a sheer delight to watch !
I am extremely angry over CVs for not doing justice to this immensely talented actor !

Rajat gets under the skin of the role, just like he always does, and makes Jalal his own, and from every pause he takes between his lines, to every twitch of his face, he is so utterly convincing !
His blood bathed face with brooding eyes sent chills down my spine ! Uff !

There is no one in JA who could match Rajat's appeal & talent except for Ashwini Kalsekar !
But in yesterday's episode I felt, she was at her peerless best ! I could't take my eyes out of her...OMG ! What an amazing actress she is ...

Take a Bow for Aswini Kalsekar for her brilliant potrayal of
Manipulative, Monstrous & Mesmerizing Mahamanga !

Rajat & Ashwini are great artists where art does not just imitate life, art is life. They both are geniuses...know how to connect with the audience & make us feel what they are experiencing!

Sheer delight to watch this impressive acting duo ! Sad indeed for this could possibly be their final act together !


I agree Anjali...all 3 were fantastic yesterday!!...but yet, if I were to point out one name, who stood out amongst the others, without a doubt it would have to be Ashwini's. ...I was simply mesmerised by her yesterday...

I expect today's episode to belong to Rajat totally...

CH, so far had been totally wasted in JA...hence, despite being so good in his final scene, it did not have the impact which it could otherwise have had...my pov...
Edited by ---Khushi--- - 10 years ago

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