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Posted: 11 years ago
It was a lovely line by Ela, Mandy dearest, though you have not got it right. All I did was to tell her how much I loved it.

As for this dissertation about Jalal and Jodha, I am afraid I can no longer muster any enthusiasm for it. In fact, I am surprised to see you still indulging in this kind of stuff. But since you have made this post, let me think of something to say about your topic.

Jodha is primarily in love with her image of herself. All else comes second. She has the gall to assume that just because Jalal has come personally to rescue her, all is well between them. Even then, she starts lecturing him Shahenshah, baat ko samajne ka prayas kijiye..

Her apologies are always qualified about her mansha being good - apparently no one has told her that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And when she is between a rock and a hard place, as when Jalal berates her about the soldiers killed by Khyber, she simply lowers her eyes and keeps quiet.

Tonight, because Jalal holds her hand when he hears the speculation in the crowd, Jodha is once again preening herself assuming that all is well. Jalal does is as much for his own sake as hers, he cannot have it said that the mother of the children he is to have is not paksaaf.

I suppose Jodha must be familiar with the Ramayana, and how Lord Rama treated Sita, though her kidnapping was not her fault, except that she crossed the Lakshmanrekha taking Ravana to be a rishi. She had to go thru an agniparisksha, and then again, because a dhobi made a loose comment about her character, Rama had a pregnant Sita abandoned in the forest.

It is a pity Jalal does not know the Ramayana, but Jodha should thank her lucky stars that she has not married the likes of Lord Rama,. In fact, in a 16th century royal family, a wife who behaved as Jodha does, and spent days on end wandering around the countryside with a strange man, would never have been taken back. The scandal would have been horrendous and not even a Shahenshah could have weathered it.

Ok, this is it about Jodha Akbar from me for a good long time to come!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: mandyg

hi folks!

after watching today's epi i was just wondering how much jodha loves jalal, does she love him the way he loves her...i will dissect the two sides of the coin as per lots of different opinions about how strongly they feel for each other...

jalal

jalal wo zameen hai jispe jodha pair rakhti hai..zameen khiski aur jodha ka wajood jo jalal se jura hai wo khatm!

ps..the first line of jalal wo zameen hai was mentioned earlier by shyamala or ela i cannot remember, sorry for using it as i thought it was so apt here!

Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Lovely post mandy ... but as of now I am not following the show ...so I do not have much idea of whatz happening ...
but u knw what some time back I had urged few of my friends to watch the show ... they watched few random epi's & made fun of the show & of me saying... how can u watch such a crap show ...& that to of ekta's ... to top it u joined a forum for this garbage ... last sentence was grow up & get a life 😕

I guess i made a mockery of myself by urging my friends to watch such a crap show ... I am sorry to say ... it has become an utter crap as of now ...

I dont knw what to say mandy ... I am heavily disappointed ... not with rajat's acting or his character ...but with jodha & her character ...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: varshaakulkarni

Lovely post mandy ... but as of now I am not following the show ...so I do not have much idea of whatz happening ...

but u knw what some time back I had urged few of my friends to watch the show ... they watched few random epi's & made fun of the show & of me saying... how can u watch such a crap show ...& that to of ekta's ... to top it u joined a forum for this garbage ... last sentence was grow up & get a life 😕

I guess i made a mockery of myself by urging my friends to watch such a crap show ... I am sorry to say ... it has become an utter crap as of now ...

I dont knw what to say mandy ... I am heavily disappointed ... not with rajat's acting or his character ...but with jodha & her character ...



😆..never urge ur friends to watch ekta's shows..they are like a drug that initially gives all the pleasure but then makes you an addict..!..bure fasse..one thing i have to say about this show, usually i stop watching any serial after sometime but this is one show that i have watched so long..and believe me rajar's brilliance is the main reason other than the royal backdrop!
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Posted: 11 years ago
Well on this time jodha is responsible for the things she is handling n the passion of jalal to find jodha somewhere is being proved that he is acting with atifa
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: adianasr

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A thought provoking post Mandy - It is said when Love awakens between two individuals, the rest of the world keeps trying to look for reasons without knowing that 'Love Is' and it needs no reasons - No one can explain Love becoz jinhe 'Pyaar hai' they are unable to and jo 'Pyaar karte hain' they dont know how - I have from the start said that one has to 'Be in Love' - it is not about Loving but 'Being in Love' - the action word has to be 'Being' and not 'loving' - Love is a state of Being - it is a place that one is in and thus a Noun - it is not some thing that a person can or shd do - in short it is not a verb.

Coming to TE and his Jodha and how they see Love -

For TE, Love was always a place where he never saw himself to be at - until Jodha happened - and today, he has crossed his personal Rubicon in the matters of heart and soul and finds himself in this place called 'Love' - Its not a peaceful place and he knows that - but its a place which does not allow fear in - and for a man like TE, who faces his fears with courage and thus emerging fearless - Being in Love is a welcome place since it does not let him be in Fear.

For Jodha, Love has been something that people do - and this is where her learning curve needs to evolve - cant be helped becoz that has been her understanding till date - hence her equating kartavya with loving - She loves all becoz that is what she has been told people shd do - and that makes her in turn a warm and loving person - but she has never 'Been in Love' - not yet - Being in Love is to be like Radha and Meera and it is this that sets them apart from the other Gopis who loved Kanha but were not 'In Love' with him - it takes a lot of courage to 'Be in Love' becoz it is not a peaceful state - but Jodha does have it in her to be in that state / place - but for that she needs to be more reflective and internalise Love, so that she can face her Fear.

Where there is Love - Fear ceases to exist - becoz Love Is Faith.

As of now TE not only loves his Jodha, he is 'In Love' with her.

As of now Jodha loves her Shahenshah, but is still in Fear, which is holding her back from 'Being In Love' - I sincerely hope that after the Atifa track Jodha reflects on TE and on Love and we get a Jodha who not only loves her Shahenshah but is also 'In Love' with him.


I am not going to comment on Khyber - since enuff has been said by all - and I will not say anything on Atifa since we do not know the full tale thereof yet - but I will definitely say this - TE is not into Atifa in any which way - He is deflecting Atifa's focus towards himself - why, we will know soon - and if he is getting angry and shouting at a pregnant Jodha, then it is only becoz he is worried about her safety - the woman is roaming all over the palace and to places which are potential minefields for any calamity all alone - if he increases her security she would start Qing him - He also needs to keep her from knowing the story of abuse bandied out by Atifa and her supposed husband knowing her 'Rehm dil' - he has to keep conspirators from knowing that he is onto them - and he has to catch the master puppeteer in the Atifa game - the man is on high alert and his beloved, pregnant wife is putting him thru the wringer with her soft heart (No wonder all his hair went grey prematurely !!!!!!)



adi, what a wonderful write up that one line of yours said it all!..love is faith..and the same line our TE said..and believe me i have seen that scene zillion times the way rajat said it was just amazing..'aapko hum par yakeen nahin aur hum chah kar bhi aap par shak nahin kar paye"..adi that line said it all...what an amazing dialogue and then he left, as everything was said in that one line and that is the definition of difference in their love and that is why i said jodha has to walk miles before she too can be at that level of being in love!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sonamrai

100% agree with u mandyg but now also jalal haters told that jodha did wrong becuse of jalal. in yesterdays epi jo's eye was lock with khy. ja's haters told that jo is kind heart thats y c take care of khy not more than that. now my question is in suja track jalal was more wounded than khy that time jo not much take care of ja. may be that time jo's kind heart was going for tour. in precape jalal's word was 100%true that khy killed so many sipahi destroyed common peoplea house that was not muxh to jodha still she argueing favour of khy. she is too much stubborn & egoestic. i dont think she learn anything from her fault.



i think jalal knows jodha more than anyone can know her..the day he set his eyes upon her he has been hearing stories of her beauty and positivity on the other hand jodha was hearing all kinds of negativity about jalal and the less she knew about the human inside him..when she comes in his life jalal discovers love in her and she discovers the human in him..and that leads to their beginning of a relationship!..now jalal is way ahead in the game as of now and as i see at the whole situation but its jodha who has to look beyond her stubbornness/ego and social work what her priorities are in life..and once she learns to balance she still can continue with what she thinks is right..as to change the system you have to be a part of the system!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sp108

I agree with you in totality Mandy...a great deal of fuss is being made out that Jalal shouted at his pregnant wife...so should he sit quite and watch her follies in silence? As a partner with equal footing in a marriage it is he who is the best person to correct her...just as she corrected him during Ruqaiyya's fake pregnancy...but the problem with Jodha is that she never listens...she can only advise but deaf to other's advice - be it her parents, her friend Moti and her husband!

One thing was clear after yesterday's episode - both of them love each other

i completely agree if we can accept jodha correcting jalal then what is the problem if jalal corrects jodha..i think the viewers have that notion that heroines can never be wrong but if they are shown wrong and the male counterpart is trying to correct her then we should encourage it and accept it with open mindedness!

Yet there is a distinction when it comes to Jalal's love - faith...faith in his love for Jodha and Jodha's love for him...after the rescue, if Jodha sits down and does a bit of thinking, she will realise that Jalal has not fallen out of love with her and that there is something about his fling with Atifa which is not genuine! Her lack of faith in Jalal's love and her love for Jalal drove her to commit suicide and not her pregnancy hormones.

i agree! and that is why jalal said that beautiful line..aapko hum par yakeen nahin aur hum chah kar bhi aap par shak nahin kar paye..what a dialogue!..i was bowled over by the way rajat said it..wonderful👏..and which husband of 16th century would have accepted his wife who was with a paraya mard for 2 days..but its his faith and love for jodha that made him accept her!

But I definitely feel Jalal loves Jodha more than she loves him. Its almost as if he loves her unconditionally. After watching all the episodes of JA, this is one thing that I can say with conviction!

exactly! i think after this atifa track jodha might develop that trust she is missing in a relationship for jalal and also she will have developed more faith in him as a king!

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: adianasr



@bold... that is why it is called 'Being in Love' and not loving 😃



adi, kya batayun i am in love with your line😉
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: susantogiaa

does jodha love jalal enough


we cant say who love more both love each other equally in ben track even then she said its kartavya but some where in this track jodha have some feeling for jalal


jalal saved her from the tiger attack by taking the attack on himself even thought it was completely jodha's fault..still did not raise voice against her after he gained consciousness! ( if you remember because of jodha lep jalal come conscious and i want to say jodha intention was not this to hurt jalal at end she is only the one she help jalal and take care of him )

and jodha was the one who is always ready to cross all limit to save jalal life

In war track no one believing that jalal was alive even not his family and even not his childhood friend that was only jodha who have trust on her love and in pregnancy condition also she fight against enemies for who just becoz of jalal


if ur asking jodha was wrong helping kaibar i know she is wrong but jalal was also not right even then he doing acting but his acting hurting his pregnant wife badly and touching gair aurat is haram

we cant say who is more wrong who is more right




i think lets wait and see how this atifa track turns out because when jalal said that even though jodha does not trust him he still trusts her and that says a lot, it means he is up to something!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Mages

Mandyg...I don't have answer to your controversial question...
they both love each other madly...



mages your views are welcome dear! love itself is a very complicated term, we spend our whole life in search of true love..unconditional love..but that type of love is very rarely found in a couple..in a couple its more of give and take..unconditional love i have only so far seen is of a mother for her child!..and why i object to jodha's love portrayal because according to me a female's love is comparatively more selfless than a man's love as females are epitome of love..and here we see jalal protecting her honor all the time but jodha does not think of it that she will hurt jalal more than herself in the end!..and unconditional love is when one puts the other's needs ahead of their own..isn't it?

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