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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek

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Radhika,

Nice post...!!!... This post is a vent to MOST of my feelings...
I could NOT withstand the UN-thinkable portrayal being dished out in present track.

No matter, i decided to be on a MaunVrat, but this post made me come here for posting my thoughts...My cousin(a DIE-Hard RT and Jalal fan), who has a habit of trawling IF's posts, SMSed me for this...She is an Unregistered member...I had to see this after her SMS, and i could NOT HOLD back myself after reading her PRAISE for this POST...

I am reserving my post... I will try to UNRES it asap, { if possible } ...
I wanted to write a LOT on this track... Will try to do so... :)


abhay...welcome back...🤗
really missed you...😭
will be waiting for your beautiful essay on this track...only you can shed a light on this track...its really getting on my nerves...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#12
Radhika,
i hate that character assasination of Jo they did ,just to make Jalal hero.This is worst than they showed that Jalal was held captive.What they want to show that as Ram he will stand by his wife when people are gossiping about her?Then those cvs are fools. How can they compare maryada purushottam Ram to Jalal who has 5000 women in his harem?Have they forgotten his colourful past before Jo came in his life?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I m not justifying his anger either m jst saying jst coz of dos harsh wrds 1 cn not say he dnt love jodha...or he is confused abt his feelings thts y he smtimes loves hr nd smtimes ABUSE hr as sm people feel...nd abt suicide usse suicide ka khayal hi well ko khula dekh ke aaya tha jst a weak moment...agar wo waha jati hi nai nd well ko khula dekhti hi nai to shayad suicide ka khayal hi nai aata...yes his plan hv sm loop holes...i cn not justify tht...he wil himself justify tht bt i wud always stand fo his love wenever it wud b questioned...nd wud stand fo jodha also wen hr love wud b question bt tht never happens nd wud never happen i guess...bd abt him using d same wrds to atifa which he used fo jodha well i wud say he dnt any other way to express love...hes not a player who wud knw hundreds of pickup lines...agar koi aur tarike se atifa ko pyar ke bare me bolta to sab kehte ke aesa usne jodha ko to kabhi nai boli...u see people find fault in him regardless of any situation or circumstances...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wishing all, the very Best for Completing 67 years of Indian Independence..
:)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Post Un-Ressed on Page-1... :)

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/111790678

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Posted: 11 years ago
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There are two aspects
Fictional jalal
Fictional jalal was a ruqaiah loyalist husband till jodha came along. He may have had 20-30 wives but he was emotionally bond with ruqaiah. then came jodha and he became emotionally attached to her and more than that only as jodha is not assertive and possessive like ruqaiah of jalal and her audha. She is typical people pleasing person.
Now whether jalal loved Benazir, atifa or was using them I do not know. But all I know is that he does not truly love them he does not have emotional bonding like he has with ruqaiah or soul bonding like jodha
History jalal
In those days king married to expand kingdom and to keep people loyal. that is what Akbar did but on a large scale basis.
Whether he treated muz badly- not really but he is king with 300 wives he must have had a few favourites among whom muz was one and so was ruqaiah and salima.
Did he only love muz and ignore others- not really he treated all wives nicely but had favourites
Can we compare that 16th century Akbar to serial Akbar- not really, love had different meaning in those times
Men were not single woman husbands in those times especially kings. They had many wives and few of them were his favourites simple
In those days men married for loyalty, property and kids
Very few married only for love like a jehangir to widow nur jahan, shah jahan to mumtaz, baz bahadur to roopmati etc
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good post Radhika .
The creative team has royally messed up the characterization of the king and queen besides the basic story line .
I feel that Jalal has taken Jodha and her love for granted and is repeatedly hurting her .
I wonder what more nonsense the creatives have in store for us .
Its the love that I have for Jodha / Jalal that is still forcing me to watch the serial . I request the Creatives to churn out a logical story line .

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Posted: 11 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,

Nice post...!!!... This post is a vent to MOST of my feelings...
I could NOT withstand the UN-thinkable portrayal being dished out in present track.

No matter, i decided to be on a MaunVrat, but this post made me come here for posting my thoughts...My cousin(a DIE-Hard RT and Jalal fan), who has a habit of trawling IF's posts, SMSed me for this...She is an Unregistered member...I had to see this after her SMS, and i could NOT HOLD back myself after reading her PRAISE for this POST...

I am reserving my post... I will try to UNRES it asap, { if possible } ...
I wanted to write a LOT on this track... Will try to do so... :)


***************************************************************************************************

---UNRES---

So here is what I feel... I, for one, did NOT like this track..Though, I do not know about the Forum Climate, as I am NOT visiting here.

Jalal:

Before moving ON, I would make it clear that, I do NOT think that Jalal is acting TEDHA. And, if it is shown that, he haD some plan, then I do not know what is the definition of Tedha-pan, and would like someone to explain me, What is this Tedha-pan, which makes him -

1. Behave so STRANGELY with his pregnant wife,

2. That too, When she is about to Deliver TWINS, { something he yearned for so DEARly } ,

3. In times of pregnancy, even emotional trauma can have significant problems, as far as I know, and Jodha has that in Plenty. { Motherhood and FatherHood are the blessings in one's life. But, here exactly opposite is being shown. }

4. Speak lies to her when she asked him, about his Outing to Jungle.

Will he do everything, JUST because he has some plan.?. Does he think that, all this will happen as per what he has planned.?. Has any of his plan reached to the desired result BEFORE this, where matters of Jodha were involved.?. Can't there be some problems in between in this PLAN(which seems non-existent till now).?. What if HIS wife takes some extreme step before his "007" antics yield some results.?. I mean, isn't it too much to Digest.?.

He is the Shahenshah of Hindustan, does not need to EXPERIMENT on his "Pregnant" , Beloved/Khaas Begum, just to UN-Ravel a MYSTERY.!!.

1. Somethings were really shocking for me. I feel like calling the Dialogue Writers and ask them THEIR Definition of LOVE. What was that, Jalal saying to Atifa(a married woman.!!!.), that hamara DIL and Mohabbat stuff to Atifa.?. Didn't he say the SAME words to Jodha.?. That time I wanted to know what is the definition of LOVE in Jalal's dictionary..!!..

2. In DEK, I could understand his anger on Jodha, when she pleaded for Khyber, to be released. BUT..BUT..BUT..Where was the NEED to say -> "Aap haamari Mohabbat ke Layak nahi thi Jodha Begum". I mean really..?.. I agree, he is the Shahenshah and he HAD to take his Order Back, infront of his people, which was an ATTACK on his AUTHORITY..!!!.. But, why did Mohabbat come in between.?. Isn't this condition same as confusing it between, LOVE and Kartavya.?. Why did the CV's forget that, this condition could be Equated and compared with his Kartavya/Duty towards his state, but NOT at ALL with HIS Love for Jodha. Seems they are out ON an agenda to RAISE our BP.?.

If this track is to showcase a strong Emperor, then CV's have LOST it. If they feel that, by showing Jalal, shouting' and "NOT listening" and "NOT allowing", Jodha to speak up , and by this, viewers(like myself), will "cheerlead for Jalal" and think that, the Tedha Emperor is BACKK, then the CV's need a BOLT FROM BLUE, to come out of their Illusion, and ONLY a DROP in TRP's can HELP NOW... A strong Emperor means a "MAN" who can take Sensible Decisions, "sometimes" from HIS OWN BRAINS Also.. A Strong Emperor DOES NOT mean, that you need to "LavisH" INSULTS on your Wife and/to prove AUTHORITY over HER...HISTORY, holds proofs and AMPLE Proofs where Jalal-ud-din Mohammed Akbar Bestowed HUGE Honors on the Ladies. Yes, I am talking about 16th Century Only, which is quite Infamous in this Forum, for the reason that, the clause is, 16th Century Women were USED as *****. But, I want to make it clear that, Exceptions are the Rule of Nature, since time immemorial, and this case is NOT Different.

It was Jalal-ud-din Mohammed who gave the reign of Kabul to Mirza Hakim's sister in "16th Century", after defeating Hakim. Just see the thinking of THAT MAN. Something which many Males, refuse to see EVEN TODAY..!!!!. It was the same Jalal-ud-din Mohammed of "16th Century" who bestowed TITLES after TITLES on Heer Kunwari.. gave her the trade and ships of Mecca Pilgrimage..She was the ONLY LADY(that too a Non-Mughal Begum.!!..) to have a cavalry RANK of 12,000 in the ENTIRE Mughal History...She was the one who was HIS Wali-Ni'maat...And, she was the ONLY Wife of Akbar about whom Abu'l Fazl has written PRAISES after praises in Akbarnama, describing her as the - chaste and an intellectual lady, and calling her as "MATRIX of Akbar", and the "Matrix of Sun of Fortune".. And, look what have the CV's done NOW...!!!.. Neither the lady nor her husband has been spared..CV's could have shown this story in a very Subtle manner...

BTW, I would Like to write some thoughts by Rumi (a philosopher and mystic, whom Akbar was fond of)..Rumi writes the following about women..(Please remember that this is a THINKING of a MAN even Before "16th Century"..)

1. What is woman, what is the world? Whether you say something or not, whatever is, is. It will not desist from what it does. It gets even worse as you give warning of it, such as the interest of the populace in the loaf of bread that you hide under your arm, under your sleeve, where the attraction will go beyond all bounds. This is because people go after what is forbidden. So long as you command woman to hide, the desire to show herself off increases. The more a woman hides, the more the desire to see her. In this case your position excites the desire of both parties. Then you consider this the righteous way, where as this is complete defeat in itself. If it is in nature of woman not to do evil, whether you say do or don't she will follow her good nature, clean essence and behave accordingly. If, on the contrary, her nature is corrupt she will follow her own path. In truth to say please don't do this or that, don't expose yourself, increases desires and serves no other purpose.

2. People ONLY with heart will not be able to withstand woman and will be defeated by woman.

3. Woman is light of God, not just the beloved. It is as if she is creative, not be created.

4. When you mention woman, there must be a man. When you mention a judge, you need someone to be judged.

^^^Just try to get the HIDDEN meaning in the Words of that Mystic-Rumi...And, if not completely, then ATLEAST a little bit of Influence must have been there ON the thinking of Akbar, from these readings.!.

All I want to say is that, Don't grind the chaff with the Wheat..Try to see that there WERE Exceptions in that so-called 16th Century ALSO...Akbar was the one to give many freedoms to the ladies...He even went against his religion to give Equal Share to the Females in the Property, and also when allowing his Wife's' to retain their faith...Biggest one was the FACT that he USED to worship with the Mother of Salim..< A fact known to all, which lead to Problems for HIM...

Jodha:

If by showing Jodha as EXTREMELY concerned for Khyber, the CV's think that, they are doing justice to the HONORABLE LADY, who had the DISTINCTION of Holding the TAG of Queen Mother of Hindustan throughout her reign as the Empress, who supported her husband even when her ONLY SURVIVING SON, rebelled against his father, then CV's are really GOING OFF the Mark...She was HIS Wali-Ni'maat (Gift of God), she was his Muezamma (Of Pure and Chaste Character), and what are YOU(CV's) Doing to her..HK could have NEVER ever allowed ANY one to EVEN touch her Shadow, and here, we see Sharif-ud-din doing Lecherous TRIPS to her Hojra.. I mean What the Hell.???...Here you are showing her Getting Kidnapped from the Harem..!!!..A lady who stood by her husband throughout his life, a lady who was his Emotional Support, is the NEED of the story NOW... NO more MU's please..Just wind this Up..And move ON...

This track left great DIS-taste about Jodha and Jalal in my mind. Esp. about Jalal. REAL Akbar, especially, used to go to see HK when she was in Sikri in Rang Mahal, during Salim's pregnancy, and he used to be present with her, DESPITE the frantic conditions in 1569.!!.This has been written in Tabqat-e-Akbari, and the author derives GREAT sense of Respect while mentioning this about Akbar and "Mother of Salim"....

And, what are we seeing here..??.. Totally opposite.!!!!. Jalal is Hell-Bent of "Lavishing" Insults after Insults on her, and NOT ONCE he gave a thought that what will happen to his Kids, with such a behavior..?..And Drove his Wife to such a point of desperation that, she Decided to End her Life..!!!!!!!..

It seems, some 3rd Class CV's have been HIRED now, by the PH who Derive Sadistic pleasure in showing such a condition, where women are always put on an Insulting Spree..BTW, I don't understand, the Royal Treatment for Ruqaiya Begum, hope she will be given her due SOON...

The creation of MU and Fights between the Leads is NOT the Solution here, this show is of a DIFFERENT GENRE. Just take ONE track from history at a time and execute it well, without showing these "Zilch Atifa-Jalal" scenes or showing the Un-necessary Khyber-Jodha concern... Show anything SANE , but Do not go Over-Board...

Come on CV's, for once, give us a Balanced LOVE Story, treat the Leads with a Sense of Royalty , and I BET the Audience will LOVE to see the Jodha and Jalal whose glimpses I have given above...Just give it a TRY...!!!... And do JUSTICE to one of the Best Emperor and his Empress, who EVER Walked Down on this Earth...

--A Dejected/Frustrated/Angry DIE-Hard FAN of the Immortal and Unique Story of Jodha-Akbar...

PS --- A Lovely Post, Radhika..Could not hold myself, back.. I have written all this in running hand..Have not checked this write up for errors...!!.. I guess, I was going back and forth with the track and some "FACTS from our PAST" to support my claims, despite trying my best to keep history away, but I can't help it.!!!!. I am dejected with both JJ but more with Jalal.

PPS --- For my cousin, hope you are reading this and Happy NOW.. BTW, Join IF.. :D

PPPS --- Wishing all the very Best for Completing 67 years of Indian Independence..


excellent post abhay👏...but in brainless cvs ko history samjhane ka koi matlab nahi hai buddy kyunki kyunki uske liye dimaag chahiye jo inke pass nahi hai...infact ek brainless creature bhi samajh jaayega ye baat lekin ye cvs to ussey bhi gaye guzre hain😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,

Nice post...!!!... This post is a vent to MOST of my feelings...
I could NOT withstand the UN-thinkable portrayal being dished out in present track.

No matter, i decided to be on a MaunVrat, but this post made me come here for posting my thoughts...My cousin(a DIE-Hard RT and Jalal fan), who has a habit of trawling IF's posts, SMSed me for this...She is an Unregistered member...I had to see this after her SMS, and i could NOT HOLD back myself after reading her PRAISE for this POST...

I am reserving my post... I will try to UNRES it asap, { if possible } ...
I wanted to write a LOT on this track... Will try to do so... :)


***************************************************************************************************

---UNRES---

So here is what I feel... I, for one, did NOT like this track..Though, I do not know about the Forum Climate, as I am NOT visiting here.

Jalal:

Before moving ON, I would make it clear that, I do NOT think that Jalal is acting TEDHA. And, if it is shown that, he haD some plan, then I do not know what is the definition of Tedha-pan, and would like someone to explain me, What is this Tedha-pan, which makes him -

1. Behave so STRANGELY with his pregnant wife,

2. That too, When she is about to Deliver TWINS, { something he yearned for so DEARly } ,

3. In times of pregnancy, even emotional trauma can have significant problems, as far as I know, and Jodha has that in Plenty. { Motherhood and FatherHood are the blessings in one's life. But, here exactly opposite is being shown. }

4. Speak lies to her when she asked him, about his Outing to Jungle.

Will he do everything, JUST because he has some plan.?. Does he think that, all this will happen as per what he has planned.?. Has any of his plan reached to the desired result BEFORE this, where matters of Jodha were involved.?. Can't there be some problems in between in this PLAN(which seems non-existent till now).?. What if HIS wife takes some extreme step before his "007" antics yield some results.?. I mean, isn't it too much to Digest.?.

He is the Shahenshah of Hindustan, does not need to EXPERIMENT on his "Pregnant" , Beloved/Khaas Begum, just to UN-Ravel a MYSTERY.!!.

1. Somethings were really shocking for me. I feel like calling the Dialogue Writers and ask them THEIR Definition of LOVE. What was that, Jalal saying to Atifa(a married woman.!!!.), that hamara DIL and Mohabbat stuff to Atifa.?. Didn't he say the SAME words to Jodha.?. That time I wanted to know what is the definition of LOVE in Jalal's dictionary..!!..

2. In DEK, I could understand his anger on Jodha, when she pleaded for Khyber, to be released. BUT..BUT..BUT..Where was the NEED to say -> "Aap haamari Mohabbat ke Layak nahi thi Jodha Begum". I mean really..?.. I agree, he is the Shahenshah and he HAD to take his Order Back, infront of his people, which was an ATTACK on his AUTHORITY..!!!.. But, why did Mohabbat come in between.?. Isn't this condition same as confusing it between, LOVE and Kartavya.?. Why did the CV's forget that, this condition could be Equated and compared with his Kartavya/Duty towards his state, but NOT at ALL with HIS Love for Jodha. Seems they are out ON an agenda to RAISE our BP.?.

If this track is to showcase a strong Emperor, then CV's have LOST it. If they feel that, by showing Jalal, shouting' and "NOT listening" and "NOT allowing", Jodha to speak up , and by this, viewers(like myself), will "cheerlead for Jalal" and think that, the Tedha Emperor is BACKK, then the CV's need a BOLT FROM BLUE, to come out of their Illusion, and ONLY a DROP in TRP's can HELP NOW... A strong Emperor means a "MAN" who can take Sensible Decisions, "sometimes" from HIS OWN BRAINS Also.. A Strong Emperor DOES NOT mean, that you need to "LavisH" INSULTS on your Wife and/to prove AUTHORITY over HER...HISTORY, holds proofs and AMPLE Proofs where Jalal-ud-din Mohammed Akbar Bestowed HUGE Honors on the Ladies. Yes, I am talking about 16th Century Only, which is quite Infamous in this Forum, for the reason that, the clause is, 16th Century Women were USED as *****. But, I want to make it clear that, Exceptions are the Rule of Nature, since time immemorial, and this case is NOT Different.

It was Jalal-ud-din Mohammed who gave the reign of Kabul to Mirza Hakim's sister in "16th Century", after defeating Hakim. Just see the thinking of THAT MAN. Something which many Males, refuse to see EVEN TODAY..!!!!. It was the same Jalal-ud-din Mohammed of "16th Century" who bestowed TITLES after TITLES on Heer Kunwari.. gave her the trade and ships of Mecca Pilgrimage..She was the ONLY LADY(that too a Non-Mughal Begum.!!..) to have a cavalry RANK of 12,000 in the ENTIRE Mughal History...She was the one who was HIS Wali-Ni'maat...And, she was the ONLY Wife of Akbar about whom Abu'l Fazl has written PRAISES after praises in Akbarnama, describing her as the - chaste and an intellectual lady, and calling her as "MATRIX of Akbar", and the "Matrix of Sun of Fortune".. And, look what have the CV's done NOW...!!!.. Neither the lady nor her husband has been spared..CV's could have shown this story in a very Subtle manner...

BTW, I would Like to write some thoughts by Rumi (a philosopher and mystic, whom Akbar was fond of)..Rumi writes the following about women..(Please remember that this is a THINKING of a MAN even Before "16th Century"..)

1. What is woman, what is the world? Whether you say something or not, whatever is, is. It will not desist from what it does. It gets even worse as you give warning of it, such as the interest of the populace in the loaf of bread that you hide under your arm, under your sleeve, where the attraction will go beyond all bounds. This is because people go after what is forbidden. So long as you command woman to hide, the desire to show herself off increases. The more a woman hides, the more the desire to see her. In this case your position excites the desire of both parties. Then you consider this the righteous way, where as this is complete defeat in itself. If it is in nature of woman not to do evil, whether you say do or don't she will follow her good nature, clean essence and behave accordingly. If, on the contrary, her nature is corrupt she will follow her own path. In truth to say please don't do this or that, don't expose yourself, increases desires and serves no other purpose.

2. People ONLY with heart will not be able to withstand woman and will be defeated by woman.

3. Woman is light of God, not just the beloved. It is as if she is creative, not be created.

4. When you mention woman, there must be a man. When you mention a judge, you need someone to be judged.

^^^Just try to get the HIDDEN meaning in the Words of that Mystic-Rumi...And, if not completely, then ATLEAST a little bit of Influence must have been there ON the thinking of Akbar, from these readings.!.

All I want to say is that, Don't grind the chaff with the Wheat..Try to see that there WERE Exceptions in that so-called 16th Century ALSO...Akbar was the one to give many freedoms to the ladies...He even went against his religion to give Equal Share to the Females in the Property, and also when allowing his Wife's' to retain their faith...Biggest one was the FACT that he USED to worship with the Mother of Salim..< A fact known to all, which lead to Problems for HIM...

Jodha:

If by showing Jodha as EXTREMELY concerned for Khyber, the CV's think that, they are doing justice to the HONORABLE LADY, who had the DISTINCTION of Holding the TAG of Queen Mother of Hindustan throughout her reign as the Empress, who supported her husband even when her ONLY SURVIVING SON, rebelled against his father, then CV's are really GOING OFF the Mark...She was HIS Wali-Ni'maat (Gift of God), she was his Muezamma (Of Pure and Chaste Character), and what are YOU(CV's) Doing to her..HK could have NEVER ever allowed ANY one to EVEN touch her Shadow, and here, we see Sharif-ud-din doing Lecherous TRIPS to her Hojra.. I mean What the Hell.???...Here you are showing her Getting Kidnapped from the Harem..!!!..A lady who stood by her husband throughout his life, a lady who was his Emotional Support, is the NEED of the story NOW... NO more MU's please..Just wind this Up..And move ON...

This track left great DIS-taste about Jodha and Jalal in my mind. Esp. about Jalal. REAL Akbar, especially, used to go to see HK when she was in Sikri in Rang Mahal, during Salim's pregnancy, and he used to be present with her, DESPITE the frantic conditions in 1569.!!.This has been written in Tabqat-e-Akbari, and the author derives GREAT sense of Respect while mentioning this about Akbar and "Mother of Salim"....

And, what are we seeing here..??.. Totally opposite.!!!!. Jalal is Hell-Bent of "Lavishing" Insults after Insults on her, and NOT ONCE he gave a thought that what will happen to his Kids, with such a behavior..?..And Drove his Wife to such a point of desperation that, she Decided to End her Life..!!!!!!!..

It seems, some 3rd Class CV's have been HIRED now, by the PH who Derive Sadistic pleasure in showing such a condition, where women are always put on an Insulting Spree..BTW, I don't understand, the Royal Treatment for Ruqaiya Begum, hope she will be given her due SOON...

The creation of MU and Fights between the Leads is NOT the Solution here, this show is of a DIFFERENT GENRE. Just take ONE track from history at a time and execute it well, without showing these "Zilch Atifa-Jalal" scenes or showing the Un-necessary Khyber-Jodha concern... Show anything SANE , but Do not go Over-Board...

Come on CV's, for once, give us a Balanced LOVE Story, treat the Leads with a Sense of Royalty , and I BET the Audience will LOVE to see the Jodha and Jalal whose glimpses I have given above...Just give it a TRY...!!!... And do JUSTICE to one of the Best Emperor and his Empress, who EVER Walked Down on this Earth...

--A Dejected/Frustrated/Angry DIE-Hard FAN of the Immortal and Unique Story of Jodha-Akbar...

PS --- A Lovely Post, Radhika..Could not hold myself, back.. I have written all this in running hand..Have not checked this write up for errors...!!.. I guess, I was going back and forth with the track and some "FACTS from our PAST" to support my claims, despite trying my best to keep history away, but I can't help it.!!!!. I am dejected with both JJ but more with Jalal.

PPS --- For my cousin, hope you are reading this and Happy NOW.. BTW, Join IF.. :D

PPPS --- Wishing all the very Best for Completing 67 years of Indian Independence..




abhay take a bow! very well written👏..loved the parts where you have written about how jodha and jalal's characterization can be shown! its easy to find faults than to find solutions and there is a solution in your post!
Edited by mandyg - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,

Nice post...!!!... This post is a vent to MOST of my feelings...
I could NOT withstand the UN-thinkable portrayal being dished out in present track.

No matter, i decided to be on a MaunVrat, but this post made me come here for posting my thoughts...My cousin(a DIE-Hard RT and Jalal fan), who has a habit of trawling IF's posts, SMSed me for this...She is an Unregistered member...I had to see this after her SMS, and i could NOT HOLD back myself after reading her PRAISE for this POST...

I am reserving my post... I will try to UNRES it asap, { if possible } ...
I wanted to write a LOT on this track... Will try to do so... :)


***************************************************************************************************

---UNRES---

So here is what I feel... I, for one, did NOT like this track..Though, I do not know about the Forum Climate, as I am NOT visiting here.

Jalal:

Before moving ON, I would make it clear that, I do NOT think that Jalal is acting TEDHA. And, if it is shown that, he haD some plan, then I do not know what is the definition of Tedha-pan, and would like someone to explain me, What is this Tedha-pan, which makes him -

1. Behave so STRANGELY with his pregnant wife,

2. That too, When she is about to Deliver TWINS, { something he yearned for so DEARly } ,

3. In times of pregnancy, even emotional trauma can have significant problems, as far as I know, and Jodha has that in Plenty. { Motherhood and FatherHood are the blessings in one's life. But, here exactly opposite is being shown. }

4. Speak lies to her when she asked him, about his Outing to Jungle.

Will he do everything, JUST because he has some plan.?. Does he think that, all this will happen as per what he has planned.?. Has any of his plan reached to the desired result BEFORE this, where matters of Jodha were involved.?. Can't there be some problems in between in this PLAN(which seems non-existent till now).?. What if HIS wife takes some extreme step before his "007" antics yield some results.?. I mean, isn't it too much to Digest.?.

He is the Shahenshah of Hindustan, does not need to EXPERIMENT on his "Pregnant" , Beloved/Khaas Begum, just to UN-Ravel a MYSTERY.!!.

1. Somethings were really shocking for me. I feel like calling the Dialogue Writers and ask them THEIR Definition of LOVE. What was that, Jalal saying to Atifa(a married woman.!!!.), that hamara DIL and Mohabbat stuff to Atifa.?. Didn't he say the SAME words to Jodha.?. That time I wanted to know what is the definition of LOVE in Jalal's dictionary..!!..

2. In DEK, I could understand his anger on Jodha, when she pleaded for Khyber, to be released. BUT..BUT..BUT..Where was the NEED to say -> "Aap haamari Mohabbat ke Layak nahi thi Jodha Begum". I mean really..?.. I agree, he is the Shahenshah and he HAD to take his Order Back, infront of his people, which was an ATTACK on his AUTHORITY..!!!.. But, why did Mohabbat come in between.?. Isn't this condition same as confusing it between, LOVE and Kartavya.?. Why did the CV's forget that, this condition could be Equated and compared with his Kartavya/Duty towards his state, but NOT at ALL with HIS Love for Jodha. Seems they are out ON an agenda to RAISE our BP.?.

If this track is to showcase a strong Emperor, then CV's have LOST it. If they feel that, by showing Jalal, shouting' and "NOT listening" and "NOT allowing", Jodha to speak up , and by this, viewers(like myself), will "cheerlead for Jalal" and think that, the Tedha Emperor is BACKK, then the CV's need a BOLT FROM BLUE, to come out of their Illusion, and ONLY a DROP in TRP's can HELP NOW... A strong Emperor means a "MAN" who can take Sensible Decisions, "sometimes" from HIS OWN BRAINS Also.. A Strong Emperor DOES NOT mean, that you need to "LavisH" INSULTS on your Wife and/to prove AUTHORITY over HER...HISTORY, holds proofs and AMPLE Proofs where Jalal-ud-din Mohammed Akbar Bestowed HUGE Honors on the Ladies. Yes, I am talking about 16th Century Only, which is quite Infamous in this Forum, for the reason that, the clause is, 16th Century Women were USED as *****. But, I want to make it clear that, Exceptions are the Rule of Nature, since time immemorial, and this case is NOT Different.

It was Jalal-ud-din Mohammed who gave the reign of Kabul to Mirza Hakim's sister in "16th Century", after defeating Hakim. Just see the thinking of THAT MAN. Something which many Males, refuse to see EVEN TODAY..!!!!. It was the same Jalal-ud-din Mohammed of "16th Century" who bestowed TITLES after TITLES on Heer Kunwari.. gave her the trade and ships of Mecca Pilgrimage..She was the ONLY LADY(that too a Non-Mughal Begum.!!..) to have a cavalry RANK of 12,000 in the ENTIRE Mughal History...She was the one who was HIS Wali-Ni'maat...And, she was the ONLY Wife of Akbar about whom Abu'l Fazl has written PRAISES after praises in Akbarnama, describing her as the - chaste and an intellectual lady, and calling her as "MATRIX of Akbar", and the "Matrix of Sun of Fortune".. And, look what have the CV's done NOW...!!!.. Neither the lady nor her husband has been spared..CV's could have shown this story in a very Subtle manner...

BTW, I would Like to write some thoughts by Rumi (a philosopher and mystic, whom Akbar was fond of)..Rumi writes the following about women..(Please remember that this is a THINKING of a MAN even Before "16th Century"..)

1. What is woman, what is the world? Whether you say something or not, whatever is, is. It will not desist from what it does. It gets even worse as you give warning of it, such as the interest of the populace in the loaf of bread that you hide under your arm, under your sleeve, where the attraction will go beyond all bounds. This is because people go after what is forbidden. So long as you command woman to hide, the desire to show herself off increases. The more a woman hides, the more the desire to see her. In this case your position excites the desire of both parties. Then you consider this the righteous way, where as this is complete defeat in itself. If it is in nature of woman not to do evil, whether you say do or don't she will follow her good nature, clean essence and behave accordingly. If, on the contrary, her nature is corrupt she will follow her own path. In truth to say please don't do this or that, don't expose yourself, increases desires and serves no other purpose.

2. People ONLY with heart will not be able to withstand woman and will be defeated by woman.

3. Woman is light of God, not just the beloved. It is as if she is creative, not be created.

4. When you mention woman, there must be a man. When you mention a judge, you need someone to be judged.

^^^Just try to get the HIDDEN meaning in the Words of that Mystic-Rumi...And, if not completely, then ATLEAST a little bit of Influence must have been there ON the thinking of Akbar, from these readings.!.

All I want to say is that, Don't grind the chaff with the Wheat..Try to see that there WERE Exceptions in that so-called 16th Century ALSO...Akbar was the one to give many freedoms to the ladies...He even went against his religion to give Equal Share to the Females in the Property, and also when allowing his Wife's' to retain their faith...Biggest one was the FACT that he USED to worship with the Mother of Salim..< A fact known to all, which lead to Problems for HIM...

Jodha:

If by showing Jodha as EXTREMELY concerned for Khyber, the CV's think that, they are doing justice to the HONORABLE LADY, who had the DISTINCTION of Holding the TAG of Queen Mother of Hindustan throughout her reign as the Empress, who supported her husband even when her ONLY SURVIVING SON, rebelled against his father, then CV's are really GOING OFF the Mark...She was HIS Wali-Ni'maat (Gift of God), she was his Muezamma (Of Pure and Chaste Character), and what are YOU(CV's) Doing to her..HK could have NEVER ever allowed ANY one to EVEN touch her Shadow, and here, we see Sharif-ud-din doing Lecherous TRIPS to her Hojra.. I mean What the Hell.???...Here you are showing her Getting Kidnapped from the Harem..!!!..A lady who stood by her husband throughout his life, a lady who was his Emotional Support, is the NEED of the story NOW... NO more MU's please..Just wind this Up..And move ON...

This track left great DIS-taste about Jodha and Jalal in my mind. Esp. about Jalal. REAL Akbar, especially, used to go to see HK when she was in Sikri in Rang Mahal, during Salim's pregnancy, and he used to be present with her, DESPITE the frantic conditions in 1569.!!.This has been written in Tabqat-e-Akbari, and the author derives GREAT sense of Respect while mentioning this about Akbar and "Mother of Salim"....

And, what are we seeing here..??.. Totally opposite.!!!!. Jalal is Hell-Bent of "Lavishing" Insults after Insults on her, and NOT ONCE he gave a thought that what will happen to his Kids, with such a behavior..?..And Drove his Wife to such a point of desperation that, she Decided to End her Life..!!!!!!!..

It seems, some 3rd Class CV's have been HIRED now, by the PH who Derive Sadistic pleasure in showing such a condition, where women are always put on an Insulting Spree..BTW, I don't understand, the Royal Treatment for Ruqaiya Begum, hope she will be given her due SOON...

The creation of MU and Fights between the Leads is NOT the Solution here, this show is of a DIFFERENT GENRE. Just take ONE track from history at a time and execute it well, without showing these "Zilch Atifa-Jalal" scenes or showing the Un-necessary Khyber-Jodha concern... Show anything SANE , but Do not go Over-Board...

Come on CV's, for once, give us a Balanced LOVE Story, treat the Leads with a Sense of Royalty , and I BET the Audience will LOVE to see the Jodha and Jalal whose glimpses I have given above...Just give it a TRY...!!!... And do JUSTICE to one of the Best Emperor and his Empress, who EVER Walked Down on this Earth...

--A Dejected/Frustrated/Angry DIE-Hard FAN of the Immortal and Unique Story of Jodha-Akbar...

PS --- A Lovely Post, Radhika..Could not hold myself, back.. I have written all this in running hand..Have not checked this write up for errors...!!.. I guess, I was going back and forth with the track and some "FACTS from our PAST" to support my claims, despite trying my best to keep history away, but I can't help it.!!!!. I am dejected with both JJ but more with Jalal.

PPS --- For my cousin, hope you are reading this and Happy NOW.. BTW, Join IF.. :D

PPPS --- Wishing all the very Best for Completing 67 years of Indian Independence..


How beautifully you have written and how we missed your comments on this whole track .Thanks

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