Will Jalal Ever Stop Playing Around with Jodha's Love? Updated 20/8 - Page 17

Originally posted by: Donjas

Radhika, we think so alike that it is eerie, but of course I could never write so well. It has been a treat to read your viewpoint and Abhay's.

According to me, the following things are needed for a good historical-

1 The degree of focus on the serial should remain constant. Here it is apparent that this serial has received lower attention over time. That translates to a poor product.

2 The CV's must have respect for the characters, especially the lead characters. It is very apparent that this is not so for our serial, the way the Rajvanshi kings were demanding independence yesterday as if Akbar was some rogue tyrant and not Akbar the great, who was known for amicable relations with his subsidiary kingdoms. Once respect for the hero is gone then self imposed limits on depiction are frequently crossed and that leads to disaster.

3. The CV's need to think things through rationally and coherently. In this track, it is obvious that the CV's have no idea what they are doing. They introduced this track as a kind of shock to the system with the expectation that it will repeat the great ratings of the Ben track. They went overboard in their depiction. Their belief was that the badder they show Akbar, the more dramatic it will be, and the more it will be liked. They were willing to destroy a carefully cultivated romance in this belief. The ratings turned out to be a dud and now the CV's are scurrying to save face.

4 The director problem. There are too many directors preparing this broth and once again the result is a spoiled product.

The good thing is, all these issues can be remedied provided you have the desire to do it. If 'Jodha Akbar' is truly Ekta's 'dream project' then, it can be done. If not I am hoping for a quick closure to the serial.

Originally posted by: RaniShanthappa

superb update dear.. 👏 👏 👏 👏

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,
Fantastic Views...
Let me write my take, in my 15 minutes Break..
I can make 1 post today.. :)

Here you go...

You know what, i can understand Jalal is "ALSO" in Pain, as Jodha...And, hence we need to understand his DARD(?) also..
BUT the thing is, there was NO need to ENACT this Drama at the First Place.. Isliye iske aage main kya bolun..?.. ;p

The thing REDUCES to one thing, and that is, i can NOT digest that the Shahenshah of Hindustan who was so Shrewd and Smart enough to give and Take the Ratanpur Fort ""TWICE"" in FEW Minutes, has been reduced to such a "thing" that he has to put up an act(?) Just to catch up a Spy.?.
I can't give any explantion for this. LOL.

1. Which "top ka gola" is Atifa, that he has to do all this ' Natkiya Karyakram ' ..?.. Most probably a pawn of MA, maybe MC is also involved..

2. Kings have so many resources / power to get out the truth in a split second, but here, OTT / 007 tactics are ROFLing me..

3. BTW, If kings start to Romance(Fake.?) everY so-called assasin for his wife / Sultanate / etc. , then ho gayi Hindustan par Hukumat..!!.. ;p

4. What explains his OWN self talk in his hojra that why i am "falling" for Atifa.?.. [ To raise our BP.?., and we may get a OTT reason for this also in the End of track..LOL..]

5. CV's have not left any space for TOTAL justification, whatever be the reasons given at the climax..As they go overboard...

a. No need to shout at Kids in PRIVATE..
b. No need to talk of Talaaq in Public.. { It had a BIG meaning, whatsoever.. }
c. Why DID the CV's show Jalal LOOOKKKing at Atifa's Bare back on jungle outing.?. Kya PROVE karna chahte the CV's.?. [Oh yes, i know he is Shahenshah, he can do anything..BUT...After all this, THESE CV's also WANT us to Believe that he is JUST Faking.?.. LOL..]
d. There were many acts which were HIGH on Melo-Drama...Meri samaj ke bahar hain..

As i said in previous post, that CV's need better ideas to give us an Emperor with Functional Brains...This is NOT the way out...
Just ask / talk ANY person with an "administrative" BG/acumen..I am SURE the approach would be Different(even in this century.), as i have asked this to many.. ;p
You will understand what i mean.. :)

CV's can NOT give us that Jalal and Jodha who were HIGH on Self-Esteem and YET behaved Royally and showed a Rational and Tedha thinking, which be-fitted a Tedha Jalal and FIERY Jodha... Right now, the CV's who are working at BT are following a path of putting one character at a pedestal , mostly the ONE queen, and make the other act "JUST"(?).

CV's have a problem...They send Jodha out of the palace kabhi bhi and then give us a charged Jalal to ask ALL SORT of questions to her.. They are hell bent at trying something or the other to keep the BP / SUSPENSE up...They should understand, ki this is NOT a run of mill Soap...People expect some degree of normality..Clear Clues should be revealed on a time to time basis...But they understand ONLY the bhasha of TRP's ... Did you see so many promos this WEEK, back to back.?. LOL..

Finally, EVEN in reality, Jalal caught MA and Adham via a VERY "smart and FAST act" and he kept everything at a NICE pace, which i will update later. Not like this ACT of moving at snail's pace.."That" act of REAL Jalal itself gives me ENOUGH ammunition NOT to digest the so-called kingdom-saving / life-saving / kids-saving, etc-saving, act of REEL Jalal...Kabhi BHI nahi...I FAILED to see an "Authoritative and Smart Emperor" at Work...And could only see a LOT of careless-ness...Revolts can lead to various repurcussions...Even in reality, during the Maulvis Revolt of late 1570's , there was a lot of problem...And there was a SERIOUS threat for 1 year...
And right now, Jalal's empire is an infant in 1563, so how can such a BIG Risk be taken NOWWW...????...EmperorS do not act like this...CV's can show Everything as planned (LOL)...BUT the so-called Revolts of Kingdoms as far as Bengal(as per show), is serious..Isn't it.?. Bengal rulers repelled Mughals twice(Munim Khan and Daud Khan.)...They were powerful Afghans...Is this called Smart-ness to expose the infant Kingdom from ALL SIDES of Hindustan..???..

Ek Atifa(MA/Adham/MC/Sharif whomsoever) ko pakadne ke liye kya Drama kiya hua hai..?..I Can't Justify this even by 16th Cen standards(and would like to see if anyone else justifies it here), aur 21st Cen mein to kabhi nahi...Till date i supported LOT of tracks...But yeh to HADD hai...These are my personal views. :)


@Donjas..
Agree with your views... Perhaps, the revolt of other chieftains/kings were shown to give an impression that, when the Empire is IN Danger, then everyone runs for a greener pasture...But, yes i agree, ONLY Man Singh's words MATCHED the Honor / Ideals of Rajvanshis, of NOT to cheat the Person , in whom they have Sworned their Loyalty. (Though, we have 1-2 disagreements in history, like the Betrayal of a chief of Rana Sanga to the Rana against Rana Sanga's battle with Babur, in 1st battle of Panipat, etc. but i am talking about Akbar's time.)..
That scene was NOT good...They DID show ruler of Bengal revolting, which was fine, but why did they show, Rajvanshies revolting, is beyond my explanation...As they were NOT the aggressors..And ALWAYS supported Akbar in HIS Wars...That was another piece of Faulty Execution..
Don't worry, the Serial shows hopes of improvement.. :) Falling TRP's are the Key... But the Creatives need to Understand they are depicting SOME OF the BEST Royalties from Hindustan, and need to be careful. This track till now was not upto the mark...I mean, to Bring back the Brains of an Emperor, this was NOT the right time / path and yes NOT the NICE depiction of Royal Ladies being treated like this...


@All...
Even i am for a BALANCED and a Strong and Smart JJ, but not like this.. :)

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Radhika, My little prediction.😆

Thank you, Ayushi! It's a great little logical prediction. Seems quite likely to happen. 😊

But i doubt, Ruk , She is also in this plan. but acc to her Jalal will not marry with Atifa.

Acc to her, Jodha will be dead, But jalal changed all plan of Ruk.

I think, Maham , +ruk two culprits.

Quite possible. Maybe the two got Atifa to harm Jodha / her babies.

Btw, when I wrote about Ruq, it was only to indicate how badly Jalal was behaving with the women who were closest to him.

It doesn't mean that I don't suspect Ruq of trying to hurt Jodha out of jealousy / insecurity. 😊

Maham also not knows, Jalal will ready to Marry with Atifa.

Her plan was, Atifa will be kill jodha kids. & then No Heirs. Hammam scene indicate that.

Great explanation, Ayushi, of the hamam scene. I was not able to understand it till now. I mean, how can anyone know that Jalal will go to Jodha's hamam at that time? So how can anyone plant Atifa there for Jalal to see? Now I get it. Atifa was planted there to attack Jodha, not Jalal. Jalal coming there suddenly threw a spanner in the works and the plan came a cropper.

Perhaps Jalal was wondering about this aspect only - what Atifa was doing in Jodha's hamam when it was Jodha's bath time. He must have guessed that she was sent to harm Jodha in some way.

But seeing jalal is going to attracting with Atifa, Plan changed,( this Ruk not Knows.)

Maham used Atifa if she will Marry with Jalal jalal will be sure dethrone. Then benifits goes to

Ak. Atifa will be live with her husband then.

Possible that Maham changed the plan after seeing Jalal getting attracted to Atifa. Do you think he was really attracted to her or was just pretending to be attracted to her to unearth her mystery?

Maham had two options here. She could get Atifa to kill Jalal at an opportune time. Or she could make Atifa marry Jalal and dethrone him. I think Maham also didn't really hope that Jalal would marry Atifa. She must have planned Jalal's murder only.

This is puzzling to me because so far, Maham has been against harming Jalal physically. But may be because he is no longer useful to her ambitions, she may want to remove him permanently in order to get the throne for AK.

Maham may have told Ruq only about using Atifa to harm Jodha's babies. And not that Atifa would also kill Jalal. Ruq would never agree to killing Jalal or dethroning him.

Ayushi, this guy who is pretending to be Atifa's husband - I don't really think he is her actual husband. He may be some kind of a pimp for her, who earns money thru her.

1 Dethrone Jalal

2. Marry Nigar with AK,

3 CB point, Nigar will be Blackmailed.

4 CB property automatticaly, given to be Nigar.

Ayushi, here I disagree with you. I don't think Maham will make AK marry Nigar. She will just try to discover the farman and then kill both Nigar and her mother. It is easier for her to kill them than keep them under her control. She esp knows that Nigar is dangerous and not to be trusted.

But Now, they used Atifa, to Dethrone Jalal.

but now Cb will be found, & Maham truth will out.

So she will be Banished, for Delhi.

I am waiting since a long time for Maham to be exposed and banished to Delhi. I have no expectations in this regard. 😕

Radhika adding more, (same Mansi thread )

Thank you, Ayushi! 😳

, i think, if Show is going to Leap, for some months, Then Maham banishment is necessary, As you Wrote one previous post, Ak, or Atgha Death scene, has beeb shot.

So Angery. Ak will Murder Atgha.

Second if, Show is not going on Leap, then Maham involvement , Acc To spolier, is Sure

which punshment, goes to Maham.😕.

Going by history, Maham should be dead by now. AK's embezzlement was found weeks ago. But no action has been taken so far against him.

At least if AK kills Atga, blaming him for his mother's banishment, then this track may wind up with both Maham and AK dying soon. But again, Ayushi, AK is not so attached to his mother that he would kill someone because she has been banished. I think there will be some other reason why AK kills Atga. Let's see. 😊

Historically, according to Abhay, Maham returns to Agra and is forgiven by all, after AK's death. So we will be stuck with Maham for quite some time. 🤢

Ruk Punishment is also necessary, because she was forgiven after Salim Birth.

Ruq's punishment is also like a mirage. I have no expectations of this either. 😆 Further, they can't have Ruq in the show and Jalal not talking to her. So she may be forgiven quite quickly. Also, there may be a leap to Salim's birth soon after the twin's death. So her punishment, if any, will not last long in the show.

But Yes yesterday Episode was, EKK TEER SEE SOO SHIKAR.😆,

Most of those shikar were his own loyalists and closest family. So his behavior cannot be justified by any teda plan.

But Language used by Jalal was Harsh.

News spread whole over Inda, & Outside, So After this Jalal Impresson will leave effect, More.

But cause of this Atifa, Cost paid by All More.

so Acc to CV when King does a imp work, All realtions, stands side By.

But is Atifa is so Much Big culprit. Jalal using so much big secreat Mission. Lets see.😆

Yes, wonder why Jalal is not worried about Mughal honor now. It will be hard for him to live down this scandal. And harder to subdue the multiple revolts.

Atifa may be on a big mission - to kill the king and queen and the future heirs. Her partners may kill the rest of the royal family. We saw in the promo some men holding back the begums using swords. They may be associated with Atifa and may have been assigned to kill the other royal ladies as soon as Jalal dies.

But all Jalal's missions are secret misisons - he is the hero, after all. 😆

Liked Jodha Attitude, +If husband will do Wrong work, then wife will right to Stop.👏 👏

Liked Ruk scene First time, she insulted front of many ladies. (if we always insult others some time reality check needed.)

Ayushi, I didn't like it yesterday. I would have liked it if he had exposed her for her mistakes in the DEK or in front of Hamida and all. But I didn't like it that he insulted her for another woman in front of bandis. She's a queen and deserves his respect.

Jodha, Salima or Ruqaiyya. I have the same standard for all. Jalal must respect them in public. It is one thing to scold them when they go wrong. It's another to ridicule them when they are not at fault.

And I esp hate this line of Jalal, his favorite line may be, asking his begums what they have done for him. They are tolerating him - that's more than enough to be thankful to them.

Yes, I liked Jodha correcting him. This is the self-confident Jodha I like. The one who can stand up to her husband if he goes wrong and brings him back to track.

But Last scene, is Jodha understanding, +jodha knows Jalal is doing some Plan wise.

i think, jalal not told jodha about Plan , but her sick sense indicating Her.

I did not get any feeling that Jodha suspected a plan. Or that she knows already that he has a plan. If Jodha knew or suspected a plan, she would not let him go ahead with the marriage at any cost. Remember how much she tried to stop him from marrying Ben? At that time, she wasn't even sure she loved him. Now she is sure she loves him. Do you think she will let him walk into a trap?

MS already watched surrung way, or TM or MS knows jalal is pretending. lets see.

Similarly I did not get any feeling that these people suspect Jalal is acting.

Cannons for i think, for out side enemies. because Bagavat has been started.

Possible.

Talak word is Jalal not knows, He can't leave jodha easily, because Akdha marries happened , acc to hindu Custom.

I don't know Muslim customs. May be he can leave her, as per Muslim custom? Of course, we know that it won't actually happen because he has timed it for after marriage. By that time, he probably believes everything will be resolved and he won't need to divorce her actually.

If he really wanted to divorce her, why will he wait? He will divorce her immediately.

Advice to Cv Jalal Should Learn , importance of Saat Phere+Marriage.

But Hurting so much sentiments;;;;;;;;;;;;;; of Jodha Why ?

At the end of the track, they will say he was just acting and so nothing he said / did means anything. 😕

is Atifa or Ruk accepting Jalal will speak three times, Talak talak will happened.

Ruk weeping showing this. she is faking.

You have so much faith in Ruq 😆

So Story reaching, where Pardafah is going to happen any time.

But How this incidence, effecting Whold India +IF,😆

MC +Maham working combind, Then HM also standing this Line,

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,
Fantastic Views...

Thank you 😊

Let me write my take, in my 15 minutes Break..
I can make 1 post today.. :)

Here you go...

You know what, i can understand Jalal is "ALSO" in Pain, as Jodha...And, hence we need to understand his DARD(?) also..
BUT the thing is, there was NO need to ENACT this Drama at the First Place.. Isliye iske aage main kya bolun..?.. ;p

The thing REDUCES to one thing, and that is, i can NOT digest that the Shahenshah of Hindustan who was so Shrewd and Smart enough to give and Take the Ratanpur Fort ""TWICE"" in FEW Minutes, has been reduced to such a "thing" that he has to put up an act(?) Just to catch up a Spy.?.
I can't give any explantion for this. LOL.

1. Which "top ka gola" is Atifa, that he has to do all this ' Natkiya Karyakram ' ..?.. Most probably a pawn of MA, maybe MC is also involved..

2. Kings have so many resources / power to get out the truth in a split second, but here, OTT / 007 tactics are ROFLing me..

3. BTW, If kings start to Romance(Fake.?) everY so-called assasin for his wife / Sultanate / etc. , then ho gayi Hindustan par Hukumat..!!.. ;p

4. What explains his OWN self talk in his hojra that why i am "falling" for Atifa.?.. [ To raise our BP.?., and we may get a OTT reason for this also in the End of track..LOL..]

5. CV's have not left any space for TOTAL justification, whatever be the reasons given at the climax..As they go overboard...

a. No need to shout at Kids in PRIVATE..
b. No need to talk of Talaaq in Public.. { It had a BIG meaning, whatsoever.. }
c. Why DID the CV's show Jalal LOOOKKKing at Atifa's Bare back on jungle outing.?. Kya PROVE karna chahte the CV's.?. [Oh yes, i know he is Shahenshah, he can do anything..BUT...After all this, THESE CV's also WANT us to Believe that he is JUST Faking.?.. LOL..]
d. There were many acts which were HIGH on Melo-Drama...Meri samaj ke bahar hain..

As i said in previous post, that CV's need better ideas to give us an Emperor with Functional Brains...This is NOT the way out...
Just ask / talk ANY person with an "administrative" BG/acumen..I am SURE the approach would be Different(even in this century.), as i have asked this to many.. ;p
You will understand what i mean.. :)

CV's can NOT give us that Jalal and Jodha who were HIGH on Self-Esteem and YET behaved Royally and showed a Rational and Tedha thinking, which be-fitted a Tedha Jalal and FIERY Jodha... Right now, the CV's who are working at BT are following a path of putting one character at a pedestal , mostly the ONE queen, and make the other act "JUST"(?).

CV's have a problem...They send Jodha out of the palace kabhi bhi and then give us a charged Jalal to ask ALL SORT of questions to her.. They are hell bent at trying something or the other to keep the BP / SUSPENSE up...They should understand, ki this is NOT a run of mill Soap...People expect some degree of normality..Clear Clues should be revealed on a time to time basis...But they understand ONLY the bhasha of TRP's ... Did you see so many promos this WEEK, back to back.?. LOL..

Terrific points! 👏👏👏

Yes, even in thrillers, clues are revealed and suspects are shown. But, that is possible, Abhay, if the entire track has been scripted before it is shot. Here, the CVs start a track to "shock the system", as Donjas put it. Then they keep on adding to the story, removing from it, adding sub-plots, other characters, other tracks also sometimes... They keep bumbling ahead on a trial-and-error basis. Hence the inconsistencies like Jalal's self-talk and Jalal staring at Atifa's back or even Jalal losing no opportunity to touch / ogle Atifa. They might have started with a jadu / tona concept and then changed it to attraction and then to Jalal faking it to God knows what else.

I already told you - don't expect normalcy here.

Promos are overflowing to cool and attract viewers back because this is such a sick track. During the separation track and even when Jodha made a grand entry in Agra, there was no promo for a long time. Jodha doesn't require promos apparently. Probably the PH feels that people will watch her anyway, so why promote her best scenes?

Finally, EVEN in reality, Jalal caught MA and Adham via a VERY "smart and FAST act" and he kept everything at a NICE pace, which i will update later.

Please do. Looking fwd to it already. 😊

Not like this ACT of moving at snail's pace.."That" act of REAL Jalal itself gives me ENOUGH ammunition NOT to digest the so-called kingdom-saving / life-saving / kids-saving, etc-saving, act of REEL Jalal...Kabhi BHI nahi...I FAILED to see an "Authoritative and Smart Emperor" at Work...And could only see a LOT of careless-ness...Revolts can lead to various repurcussions...Even in reality, during the Maulvis Revolt of late 1570's , there was a lot of problem...And there was a SERIOUS threat for 1 year...
And right now, Jalal's empire is an infant in 1563, so how can such a BIG Risk be taken NOWWW...????...EmperorS do not act like this...CV's can show Everything as planned (LOL)...BUT the so-called Revolts of Kingdoms as far as Bengal(as per show), is serious..Isn't it.?. Bengal rulers repelled Mughals twice(Munim Khan and Daud Khan.)...They were powerful Afghans...Is this called Smart-ness to expose the infant Kingdom from ALL SIDES of Hindustan..???..

Ek Atifa(MA/Adham/MC/Sharif whomsoever) ko pakadne ke liye kya Drama kiya hua hai..?..I Can't Justify this even by 16th Cen standards(and would like to see if anyone else justifies it here), aur 21st Cen mein to kabhi nahi...Till date i supported LOT of tracks...But yeh to HADD hai...These are my personal views. :)

Yes, how can Jalal allow revolts to be fomented just because of some teda plan he has in mind? A revolt is a major happening. And if all subahs revolt at once from all sides, how can Jalal control it? He was not even able to face MC's army alone?

And how can he be sure that everything will go as per his plan and there will be no unforeseen happening? What if Atifa kills him on one of his visits to her hojra? What will he do then? And seriously, if her maqsad was to kill him, why didn't she kill him already? Why wait for so many days for him to propose and then to kill him on an auspicious day? At least, Ben was always trying to get a chance to kill him. This Atifa is just enjoying his attentions and showing off her new-found clout in front of people like Ruqaiyya. And Jalal too seems to be enjoying a fling with Atifa before revealing her identity. Isse kehte hain behti Ganga mein haath dhona.


@Donjas..
Agree with your views... Perhaps, the revolt of other chieftains/kings were shown to give an impression that, when the Empire is IN Danger, then everyone runs for a greener pasture...But, yes i agree, ONLY Man Singh's words MATCHED the Honor / Ideals of Rajvanshis, of NOT to cheat the Person , in whom they have Sworned their Loyalty. (Though, we have 1-2 disagreements in history, like the Betrayal of a chief of Rana Sanga to the Rana against Rana Sanga's battle with Babur, in 1st battle of Panipat, etc. but i am talking about Akbar's time.)..
That scene was NOT good...They DID show ruler of Bengal revolting, which was fine, but why did they show, Rajvanshies revolting, is beyond my explanation...As they were NOT the aggressors..And ALWAYS supported Akbar in HIS Wars...That was another piece of Faulty Execution..
Don't worry, the Serial shows hopes of improvement.. :) Falling TRP's are the Key... But the Creatives need to Understand they are depicting SOME OF the BEST Royalties from Hindustan, and need to be careful. This track till now was not upto the mark...I mean, to Bring back the Brains of an Emperor, this was NOT the right time / path and yes NOT the NICE depiction of Royal Ladies being treated like this...


@All...
Even i am for a BALANCED and a Strong and Smart JJ, but not like this.. :)

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Maddy,

Fantastic! You have expressed my sentiments much better. Thank you so much for clarifying this aspect of yesterday's episode so well. 👏

I totally agree with you. When Jalal should have punished Ruq, he did not. Which only made her bolder and more inclined to do as she pleased, esp with Jodha. Jalal never stopped her from insulting Jodha. Jodha didn't help matters by always forgiving Ruq. So, Ruq only grew and grew in insolence.

But the way he shouted at her yesterday and asked her to prepare for his wedding, he only made us sympathetic to her plight rather than making us happy that Ruq was finally getting what was long due to her.

This is not how vamps should be treated. Do you remember when Maham was exposed, she cried and cried that Jodha was separating a mother and son? At that time also, the CVs showed her like a poor old woman, who has been separated from her ungrateful son by a scheming daughter-in-law.

Why are the CVs not afraid of destroying the essence of the leads but handle vamps with kid gloves? Why are the vamps allowed to get away easily by emotionally manipulating the hero?


Radhika even I did not much enjoy Jalal shouting at Ruk in yesterday's episode. To think I have been hoping for so long for Ruk's bhandafod especially after the fake pregnancy track. I wanted to long for Jalal to do this.

CVs behave like sadists and show extreme torture of Jodha and verbal abuse in alternate tracks. It is getting so pathetic and boring.
For no reason or justification I will feel, how Jalal behaved with pregnant Jodha was right. Not his pretending to love Atifa - but his lashing at Jodha. I wish CVs had stopped Jalal at declaring love for Atifa. It would still have been as much agonizing to Jodha. He would have come across far more dignified. The shouting at unborn babies was just the most disgusting thing.

The way CVs depicted Ruk ever since Jodha came back to Agra - she has spoiled every single special moment of Jalal Jodha from first hug to SR morning to their new intimacy.

Ruk sank to such extreme depths in the faking pregnancy track and to see she was not punished was just pathetic. Ruk was torturing viewers for such long time and her non punishment was like rubbing salt.

Still when Jalal shouted at Ruk yesterday, it was just pathetic cos the way it was done. When Jalal needed to be strict with Ruk, to make her aware he just brushed off her plots as jealousy and CVs even got Jodha to give her pardon in fake pregnancy track.

The punishment should have been when she was at her worst behavior. If not punishment her faking pregnancy truth should have been told to HB, GB, SB atleast and some imp Begums like Ruksar. So that they are aware to what extent Ruk went against Jodha in her jealousy.

@underlined: Exactly! A person should be punished when she makes a mistake. Instead Jalal pardons her then and later ridicules her for not being a good wife. This is so weird.

Their knowledge alone would have been enough for Ruk to look at herself, what she was in their eyes about her would have made her become aware.

Instead Ruk has always been allowed to be insulting, boorish, violent and get away with her plots. To the extent that viewers started feeling disgusted with her.

CVs did same in MA track - her downfall was a joke and if THIS entire track is plotted by MA then instead of being Teda Jalal runs the risk of viewers thinking it is all because he did not punish MA properly the first time.

@underlined: I also feel that he is reaping the fruit of his earlier action of forgiving Maham. And, Maham wears an anti-gravity dress. She can NEVER fall.

CB MA track is different cos Jalal did not have any knowledge of CB Nigar or any farman. So whatever MA did it is not on him.

If CVs had kept Ruk just gray and not so OTT all three Jalal-Jodha-Ruk relationships could have got such different dynamics.

Really, why couldn't the CVs keep Ruq gray and keep us on our toes wondering about her intentions and next step? The three could have been shown to have a complex love-hate-jealousy-camaraderie kind of relationship. Instead Ruq is always shrieking, Jodha is always crying in front of Kanha and Jalal is always angry with Jodha.

CVs show Jodha trying again and again and Jalal could not care less how much Ruk insults Jodha as long he does not have to take sides and this is what made viewers angry at Ruk more.

Like yesterday's scene - if Jodha Ruk relationship could have been handled better by Jalal by reining in Ruk it would have been far more interesting and mature.

I am NOT talking about history here - less Abhay tells me about the 7 years stop talking etc.!!!

I think now when Ruk sees what all Jalal did for Jodha and her theory of Jalal moving on from Jodha was wrong, Jalal is going to stick by Jodha's side and his love for Jodha is strong - that might push Ruk over the edge.

I am so tired of watching this OTT jealousy of Ruq. Wish CVs would lead this track to its closure soon and be done with it.

I want to see Ruk punished first then she learns of MA hand in her MC and her remaining childless. If Ruk changes for better after this knowledge then the relationships would be so much more interesting.

Maddy, Jalal never learnt about Maham's hand in the dhakka. I doubt if Ruq will ever learn about Maham's hand in her MC and her inability to be a mother again. Just an MC would not have been so bad for her. It was the latter fact that was more painful to her.

I don't think Ruq will be shown to be better. If Maham also goes, Ruq will be the only imp gray character who will continue after the leap. MC is more like a fringe character.

Jalal shouting at Ruk yesterday did not bring much pleasure, it should have been when she was on her worst behavior not when we as viewers felt sympathy for Ruk.

Even Khyber died, taking our sympathies with him to his grave. CVs really know how to present negative characters positively and positive characters negatively. 👏👏👏 This is for the CVs for being so brilliant.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

19th Aug Episode Update

In last night's episode, Jalal just seemed even more insufferable than earlier.

As if shouting at Jodha was not enough, or to balance the scales among the three khas begums, he roundly snubbed Salima and Ruqaiyya too. Towards the end, he shouted some more at Ruqiayya, questioning what she had done for him as a wife and declared his intentions to divorce Jodha after his marriage with Atifa.

I cannot understand where all this "anger" or "harshness" is coming from. Even when he hated Jodha extremely, he never used such language with her. Without sounding crude, he still managed to convey his emotions to her and "put" her in place.

In his most angry outbursts with Ruqaiyya, Jalal still remained in control of his tongue. When Ruqaiyya made Jodha vacate her hojra, Jalal got the hojra back for Jodha without appearing to be sympathetic to Jodha or insulting to Ruqaiyya. That was TE. A man who could get done what he wanted to without anyone being able to guess his intentions.

Yesterday too, he could have simply gritted his teeth in anger and told Ruqaiyya that Atifa was going to be his beloved wife and another or maybe the only khaas begum and that Ruqaiyya had better show Atifa respect and courtesy. Or that he expected Ruq to be cordial to Atifa and take care of her personally in the harem. He would have "put" Ruq in her place without appearing vulgar.

And what's this about talaq? Jalal perhaps does not know that if a person is too hurt, then that person becomes emotionless and stone-like. If he goes on putting nails in Jodha's coffin, then pretty soon, she will be buried before his plan bears results.

Does Jodha know about the plan?

If the CVs show that Jodha knew about Jalal's plan and let him humiliate her like that in the name of drama, then I will lose respect for her character the way I have lost respect for Jalal's character in this track.

Yes, it would have been great if Jalal had taken not only Jodha but even Hamida, Salima, Todarmal, Atga and Man Singh into confidence about his plan.

I loved Jalal and Jodha both during their mutual ghrina phase. They were rude with each other but within tolerable limits. Jalal never overstepped the line of decency while talking to Jodha.

At least, in the Ben track and Sujamal track, he had some "personal" reason to be upset with Jodha and shout at her. (though that was not right too, but still he had some personal issues with her.)

Now, he is only apparently saving her from attack. There was no need to go OTT while showing his "hatred" for her. He could have shown his indifference and ghrina the way he had shown earlier.

This plan, complicated as it may be, is full of loopholes.

• Anything could have happened to Jodha and her babies.
• Anything can happen to his sultanat now with various states getting ready to revolt.
• It involved extreme cheapening of women.
• Anything could have happened to Jalal himself.

If Jalal had been attacked and killed during the shikar, would anyone have known of the plan or been able to get the throne back for Jodha's babies?

It's hard to believe that Jodha knows the plan. If she did, she would be more proactive.

Even if Jodha knows the plan, what can she do if someone attacks Jalal? He should have Atga and Todarmal in the loop so that they can step up his security and that of Jodha.

Conclusion

I would have loved to get back a TE who can fool his enemies without doing anything much, just by playing mind games with them, the way he did during the Ratanpur fort matter.

I lost a bit of respect for Jodha's character after the Khyber kidnap drama. I have lost a lot of respect for Jalal after this track.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

I sometimes wonder at why Jodha is given such pathetic dialogues?

I think the CVs do not like this character at all. They are forced to show her and so they just give her some last-minute dialogues to speak.

Is it something to do with budget? Cos all other characters in JA speak Urdu-Hindi while Jodha's dialogues are in Sanskritized-Hindi. Maybe there is only 1-2 dialogue writers and they were chosen for Urdu expertize but they are just not good enough for Jodha's style of speaking.

No, Maddy. She doesn't speak Sanskritized Hindi. She only speaks Hindi with no trace of Urdu in it. We are so used to speak in Hindustani that we find pure Hindi "funny". But actually even now many people do speak that kind of Hindi, esp in rural areas.

I also wonder if there are women in CV's team. How dare they show such pathetic treatment to Jodha and in pregnancy too!

Not just Jodha. All main female characters are "treated" badly. I mean in terms of depth of character, consistency, good dialogs, good expressions etc. When EK has not been able to do anything about this, what can a female CV do?

Sometimes it seems different people write for different episodes and have no clue what the character has said!

When Jodha apologized to Jalal and even her trying to justify why she freed Khyber and said sorry for hurting his feelings was all ok. Then why again make Jodha talk to SB about Khyber and some silly stuff?!

Inconsistency is the name of the game. That is why you have Jalal first wondering about his attraction for Atifa, drawing her picture unconsciously, taking her for shikar and ogling her at night, and then suddenly pretend that he was just acting all the time. 😡

Abhay said rightly that Jodha is first made to behave uncharacteristically and then shouted at by Jalal.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

If CVs show this as MA's plot then how will Jalal come across as strong?

Should he KNOW how much MA is against Jodha. Now when Jodha is pregnant and if he sees Atifa in hamam and has doubt on MA - what stopped him from just sending Atifa and husband somewhere far off and MA to some subha along with Adham?

I put the Ruk could be behind this theory for Jalal to pretend love for Atifa and show getting away from Jodha - only cos Ruk is one person who most knows about Jalal and Jodha relationship, along with SB. Here Ruk knows Jalal more and SB knows Jodha more.

So if Jalal had to act this extreme manner then if this was to convince Ruk and she would not have been convinced so easily so he had to go to these lengths atleast seems somewhat justified.

Why should Jalal care so much about MA? As Shehenshah he does not really need any proof against MA, she has lost his respect long back, even suspicion and MA's past plotting against Jodha should have been enough for Jalal to send MA away.