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Posted: 11 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: pkaps

very positive post 👏.

I have been living on reading WU since this Atifa - Khaibar track started. And was feeling very sad that the story has gone down the drain .
But your post has given me a ray of hope 😃 ...
Looking forward to see the JA chemistry and original track back 😛 ...

Thanks. The collective elation in the forum is very uplifting!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lasyap3

Minblowing post😃

Balanced analysis👏👏👏

Thanks Lasya!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Dear Mansi,

Those 11 coconuts have worked finally.
Really good to see everybody back to happy faces.One thing to tell you is that your post of Zee talk is shared everywhere on twitter and Facebook.And everybody is giving you blessings.👏⭐️
Today the picture became more clear about Jalal acting smart and as you said he really cares about Jo.
1) I feel that letter from a Rajwanshi princess is somebody's mischief.The person who is mastermind behind the whole Plot of Aatifa..That letter was send wrongly to Jo for creating MU.Here I thought Jo should have talked with Jalal and then she send a letter.She took it for granted that when I will tell him ,he will listen to me.Its not always in relationships that if one person makes other understand ,he understands it immediately.Then relationships would have been so simple to deal with but they are not.Atleast in marriage,things should be clear and told then and there,Not afterwards.
2)I support Jo in Khyber issue .Because he not only saved her life but also he did not hurt her modesty which is way big thing for a Rajwanshi princess than her life.But I thought the moment she got the news of Khyber's execution she would have used her wish instead of publicly doing it.Also Jalal has pardoned Shenu who was more dangerous than Khyber.She declared war against Jalal,made him go through horrible torture and even sent army along with AM for raping harem ladies.Inspite of knowing Jo is pregnant she fought with her .So I do not understand why Jalal was in hurry to punish Khyber? Jo is right if she stopped this sin atleast during the holy month of Ramzaan.
3)I feel all this Aatifa thing is planning of Nigar or may be a surprise element will be Mirza Hakim.Because we have yet to receive the news of Munim khan's son's death ,At the end of this track when Kabul's involvement in this plot is declared and also this news comes ,Jalal will send Munim to Kabul for war.I still feel Nigar is supporting Mahac.
4)Much is said about Jalal looking over Jo's shoulders during the confrontation and the eyelock of Jajo.So I won't comment now.But yes the hojra scene of Eid preparation discussion was awesome,It required a lot of resolve from Jo's side to go from there.I thought if he had called her again,she would have run into his arms.We are seeing such a poised ,composed and matured Jo.
5)Precap:- I feel Shariff will try to take her outside the palace by making her unconscious,he may try to do some mischief but Jo will save herself .This incident might compel her to jump in the well but Khyber will save her.Here Jo will not expose Shariff as soon Bakshi's delivery news will come.Why do you think they have kept her waiting then?


I sincerely hope Zee has told me the truth and not just fobbed me off with lies. 😲😲😲😲 I will be in suspense until the next week's episodes show clearly that Jalal was faking it all!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi busy today - I read your reply to my thread "How can Jalal be redeemed and Jodha happy? - thanks and big hug for writing. You have kept everybody feeling positive in this horrible track by always saying there is something hidden here.

I will reply to your post there asap. Thanks again.

About yesterday's episode - I agree with Jalal about his points that Jodha should have talked with him before sending the letter, he has concerns about Khyber and how he felt insulted at having to withdraw the death order of Khyber. Everything justified.

However, what I am absolutely furious with Jalal about and disgusted at his behavior is - he tried to pass on HIS OWN GUILT onto Jodha.

Ok he is pretending having fallen for Atifa, maybe he is doing this for himself, Jodha and their babies. However, he could have just stopped at saying yes I now love Atifa.

WHY did he transfer his own guilt at his atrocious behavior to Jodha? Why did he have to say that SHE drove him to Atifa with HER behavior.

Jalal actually questioned what Jodha has done for him?! 😡😡😡
Really Jalal! -
Your lying cheating, bandi murdered to hide her dirty secret best friend cum BEK is alive today due to Jodha. She was ready and about to drink poison and it is Jodha who stopped her.

Your haram women are alive and have not lost their dignities to AM's men is due to Jodha's encouraging them to not give up and fight.

YOU are alive because Jodha drank poison meant to take your life!

Jodha was put at risk at the hands of Khyber - because YOUR palace security is so poor that he could carry her off while your soldiers could do nothing.

Jalal said to Jodha that SHE is the reason why he was driven to Atifa! Really what has Jodha done to drive him to Atifa? When he dropped into bathtub with her thinking Jodha - he was telling Jodha that he loves her. Now after he is showing everybody he has got the hots for Atifa he wants Jodha to feel guilty about that?

Jalal actually said to Jodha that she is not deserving of his love.

No matter WHAT HIS REASONS if he is pretending for someone's benefit - his words were horrible, cruel and absolutely self serving. Jalal was being a man who wanted to lessen HIS guilt at whatever his reason for whatever rasleela he is doing with Atifa by MAKING JODHA FEEL GUILTY.

Jalal could have fought with her about the letter, about Khyber and his feelings hurt and JUST answered yes to falling for Atifa. He could have said I love Atifa and stopped at that. WHY he had to wound Jodha so much with his words. This is disgusting and self serving.

Has Jalal forgotten that Jodha had taken any number of insults and plotting by everybody. What had deeply wounded Jodha's heart was HIS saying to her that he does not want to look at her face, that even if she lay dying he would not turn to give her a second look. That had wounded Jodha cos ONLY JALAL MATTERS to her.

He actually shouted at her saying his babies should know what kind of wife she is? 😡

Here AGAIN Jalal went overboard with harsh words wounding her and shattering Jodha's heart. IF he is pretending why did he not stop at I now love Atifa?

Jodha had NOT reacted to his shattering wounding words then and she did not react to his words yesterday. She had tears rolling down but she went kinda numb. Jodha did not show her reaction at how much he wounded her except by her eyes which took a shattered lost all will look.

Jodha did not let Jalal know how much he has wounded her spirit.

Here I want to say Paridhi was MAGNIFICENT yesterday, the wounded shattered look in her eyes is all she gave him. Screeching shouting and throwing tantrums and loud acting is considered great acting here!
Jodha Paridhi hatred is carried to such an extent that nothing good is ever seen in Jodha nor Paridhi's acting. I LOVED her and kudos to PS for a fabulous job.


The lollypop scene of Jalal staring at Jodha in prayers, calling her name when she told about the arrangements were to show us he is MAYBE starting to feel a little guilty at his harsh words.

I LOVED when Jodha averted her eyes from him in prayer room, when she did not look at him when she told him about the arrangements and when she walked off when he called her name.

THIS HORRIBLE Jalal who went way overboard in his words throwing Jodha's deep love for him that she can anyday die for him in her face and BLAMED her for his love for Atifa deserves to be raked over coals.

I don't know what the precap is - maybe Jodha pretended whole day in front of everybody by hiding her pain. It would have hit her and his shattering words come back to her when she is alone at night in her hojara.

Jalal NEEDS TO GROVEL for shatting her heart and going overboard in wounding her this much. I hope the spoiler that Jodha refuses to forgive him is true and I want to see Jodha tell him that he is free from her. He can have as many affairs and marriages as he wants, like he told her he has right to and she does not want to do anything with him anymore.

Not for falling for Atifa or saying he loves her - BUT COS Jalal doubted her love, questioned what she did for him ever and put the blame for his roving eye on HER. Jalal knows Jodha has no idea why he is doing whatever he is doing with Atifa so every single word of his wounded her heart and for that she should not forgive him.

If Jalal is doing this for Jodha then does he NOT care about her health, his babies health? Has he done a THING to take care of a pregnant Jodha? When it came to Ruk he became the carpet she stomped on and when it came to BB he was all concern about her trimester of pregnancy but when it came to Jodha - this husband of Jodha has been most callous to her in her most physical and mental delicate condition.

I want THIS Jalal who shattered her heart with his words GROVEL to even get a glimpse of her to to talk with her.

Not Jodha - Jalal is the one who is not deserving of her love - cos in all this he has been a poor husband to his pregnant wife who has suffered so much and to his unborn babies he has been a poor father. Even when pretending with Jodha he could have cared for his babies.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: neeshaa16

Dear Mansi,

Thanks a ton for calling the zee man yesterday and extracting that information from him. Thanks to your post about it that I was actually able to have the courage to watch yesterday's episode. I wouldn't have dared to ,otherwise.

I agree with your green comments that here we are dealing with two different issues , one is Jalal feeling let down by Jo and other is Atifa's issue. They have got all entangled in this track.

So while he is really angry on Jo for insulting him as he feels.. she has taken undue advantage of his love and freedom.. ..he is just pretending to be in love with Atifa.. Whether his entire outburst was real or he was feigning it all together . I still dont understand.. Yes, he can be angry on her for the paigaam issue.. but he should not have been so harsh on her . His words were breaking her heart into pieces..

Maybe the paigaam case..she was wrong.. but what she did about Khyber.. was right.. He took it as his insult but for her husband's honor always comes first. Becoz.. she knew by giving death sentence ..he would be punishing an innocent soul ..and real culprit was someone else..

What gurroor is he talking of.. Has he forgotten that it was her .. who had always made him look great in his Awaams eyes... She never took any credit herself.. be it for the birthday gift that she gave him... be it in Tasneem case.. be it abolition of Slavery ..How conveniently a man forgets everything his wife does for him.. This is the best example.. Even in real life its always a wife who is taken for granted.. .. if she does something good for him.. its her duty and if for once she fails to do something its a crime.. !!

Even in the paigaam issue it was not her pride but her confidence in her love that Jalal would definitely understand if explains to him why she did it.. We often take some things for granted when we have that faith in the person we love. Its not due to ego .So I think Jalal has totally failed to understand Jo..

Superficially it looks like he is just trying to find faults with her now .. that he wants to convince himself that he has fallen in love with Atifa ... becuase Jo has alwys insulted him in public without weihging all the good things she has done for him..

Even if he was acting ..how did not he realise even once that he has huurt Jo too much that now she may harm herself or the mental stress may be too much for her to handle... What is he achieving by doing all this /... It was bit too much OTT.

Yes the eyelock scene and the last scene were enacted beautifully by these two.. Too good. they emote so well with their eyes.. Yesterdays episode was so much bearable with absence of Atifa.. At last CVS had some mercy on us...


Neesha, I think we should discount 50% of the overdramatisation as clearly for TRPs. Of the remaining 50% we have to see if there is logic and reason and rhyme in the behaviour of the principal characters. Thus even if some parts of Jalal's hiding things from Jo, shouting at Jo etc has to be discounted as melodrama, the rest has to add up for the logic sake at least!
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Hi Mansi, Good Analysis.


Yes we have already wrote, Jalal is faking, & feeling coming, Yes He is Faking.

I noted two things.


First, is Maham Hand is , sending, Toy Lady ?

Or Jodha wrote letter, without knowing, its Rajkamari Letter, she saw that letter, on Shahi Mohar, Yes Or No.

second, Is Now MS, will know First secreat-Way, which goes to Jodha -HOZARA.

Yes that Two scenes were GOOD of AKDHA.

Liked, Jodha Consoling Own +Withdarwing. because she knows she is, pregnant.

Sielance was Speaking Eyes of Jalal, & Jodha nailed that scene, she is dissolving all Pain
inner her.

Liked jodha awareness, she is pregnant, so her child father should not, say Harsh words to
their Mother.

not liked, Jalal said Many Harsh words, to jodha, pregnancey staz, or he wants child should know that, Why,? but Maham was listening ,

Now AK also knows Jalal Truth.
Kazzi wants to Know, Jalal proofs, is Jalal already, handling Kazzi's also, so Atifa husband will try to find proofs, or did some mistake.

Or who will Help, Atifa husband, Jalal also wants to know. this.

So many are Watching by Jalal, in this TRACK.

Liked Jodha attitude,, She left the place, Jalal wants to say something.

So sharrif planned her Chall. Maybee, MS will find, some clue which Has fallen from sharrif Hands.

So, Precap, Jodha is In Jungle, lets see.

Jalal knows he hurted Jodha, he two time watched jodha;;;;;;;;;;showing His concerning.

But one time Jodha eyes also showed, Maybee she is guessing now, Jalal is hiding some from her. But Jalal sudden changed her expressions.

Is Maham+Ruk plotting Again.?

Is Maham ideas are Working by RUK,?

Yes Salima maybee knows, its Jalal Plan.or so she is consoling Jodha again +again.


Rashmi, you want i wrote a song;
So tugh see Narraz Nahi Zaindgi Harren huu mee. Apne Masoom sawalo see Pareshaan huu mee. ( Jodha, wants to know this )

for Jalal ;;;;Ulghan sulze Naa, Rasta sooze Naa.😆 😆, Joown kaha.😉

This situation these songs are. Coming.

Hope for the best.







Ayushi, your point is brilliant ... how do we know if the Rajkumari really wrote that letter to KJodha or not? Hope Jodha has kept that paigam so that she can show it to Jalal as proof!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: nabiii

Did Jo send the letter to that rajkumari without discussing with Ja, i have huge doubt in this information? Even i think how much it is authentic that the letter frm rajkumar has been sent to Jo its genuinely she has written to her. Somebody else is behind this letter fiasco.
I don't like time to time bandis come with news of Khy to Jodha with new update of Khy's condition! Totally bogus. It seems bandis r making gossip abt Jo n Khy n intentionally coming to Jo for giving news of Khy!
I don't get whats necessary of Ja to keep Khy in his less secured prison frm there anytime there is possibility of escaping Khy.Could haven't Ja sent Khy in any serene place long distance frm agra by his sipahis?
What ever plan Jalal has made(if its truly for bhalai of Jo n babies) before imposing it on Jodha,did he ever think a while for his brutal behavior could b made dangerous result for jodha's health, jodha could harm herself getting accusation frm him! Infact ja has known properly how his false accusation made them apart n gave agony to jodha. Now genuinely ja's plan(to me its a worse plan of jalal) is taking u turn. Well he could haven't shared his plan to Jodha for the sake of keeping away her frm this chaos but to hide it frm Jo,become cruel with Jo, is Ja doing anything gud for pregnant Jodha? Could haven't he sent Jo easily to her mayeka at this crucial time not to keep her in this unhygenic agra?
Anyways, these bogus drama, melo drama, nuisance suspense, climax etc wl b shown for sake of trp business n we viewers r also consumming this taking mental stress, spending sleepless nite to think on these. Yai toh chaal ra hai.
However Nice analysis, mansi.

Exactly! More than half of what we are seeing is just fodder for TRPs. That why jalal has to be shown as overdoing things and Jodha has to be shown also as overdoing things from her side!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: Mages

awesome review di...

it was a better episode...and some hints given too that maybe jallu has plan for Kabul gang...but then I want to watch it live in action rather than seeing expressions and predicting...whether its a fake act or natural act...
but honestly...all this plans by jallu looks stupid to me...becos there is no need to hurt and give mental torture to jodha in her pregnancy condition...his words were very harsh...and on top of it shouting at her when she is pregnant...that was OTT...jodha was heartbroken but I guess she accept the truth becos she knows he is Shahenshah and he can marry anyone...but I love the way she was numb and cold towards him even though she was heartbroken...I hope she maintains the same way
thank god its Jalatifa free epi...it was a relieve
my fav scene was definitely the prayers scene...it was so beautiful and icing on the cake was JJ eye-locks...it was beautiful...those eyes of JJ spoke volumes of emotions and pain...
the best part was when she told him the preparations of zakat in a cold tone and when he called her...she just went away...that was awesome...
lets see how it unfolds...
but I wonder why she tried to commit suicide...can you shed some light on that


No idea why she tried to commit suicide unless she was at that moment feeling very low. I think that point will come immediately after Jalal says he has decided to do a nikah with Atifa!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Awesome post mansi . And thanks for calling zeetv and share the information. It give us a big relief.
Yesterday i liked the episode because it was jatifa and khyber free episode. When jalal was shouting on jodha i felt he was really angry on him on paigam issue and said those harsh word to jodha . I cannot denie this fact what jodha did it was wrong . She should discuss the situation with jalal but i also did not like what jalal said to jodha. In khyber case i cannot say jodha did wrong. Jodha only try to save the honour of jalal. She did not want jalal did any sin in holy ramdan month. I did not find jodha wrong in it. And also at that time such situation arouse that she had to asked her wish in publicly. At that time she had no intention to hurt jalal pride or ego. So when jalal was harsh on jodha i cannot justified his action. It was too much.
And yes mansi yesterday i got hint that he is also hurt and feeling pain . And i also liked jodha jalal eyelock and silent conversation. When the eid celebration was discussing i liked jodha alot in that scene. At that time jodha feeling hurt and pain still she shown himself strong not heartbroken. When jalal called jodha begum and she royally ingnored him at that time i love him.
After a long time CB shown her chand sa mukhda that she is still part og this show and hope in the end of this track her mystery will also solve.
Shariffuddin luccha kamina. He entered jodha room and watching him as lust. Such disgusting man .
Now precap is also confusioned that she is doing sucide or go to near well to watch khyber.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi busy today - I read your reply to my thread "How can Jalal be redeemed and Jodha happy? - thanks and big hug for writing. You have kept everybody feeling positive in this horrible track by always saying there is something hidden here.

I will reply to your post there asap. Thanks again.

About yesterday's episode - I agree with Jalal about his points that Jodha should have talked with him before sending the letter, he has concerns about Khyber and how he felt insulted at having to withdraw the death order of Khyber. Everything justified.

However, what I am absolutely furious with Jalal about and disgusted at his behavior is - he tried to pass on HIS OWN GUILT onto Jodha.

Ok he is pretending having fallen for Atifa, maybe he is doing this for himself, Jodha and their babies. However, he could have just stopped at saying yes I now love Atifa.

WHY did he transfer his own guilt at his atrocious behavior to Jodha? Why did he have to say that SHE drove him to Atifa with HER behavior.

Jalal actually questioned what Jodha has done for him?! 😡😡😡
Really Jalal! -
Your lying cheating, bandi murdered to hide her dirty secret best friend cum BEK is alive today due to Jodha. She was ready and about to drink poison and it is Jodha who stopped her.

Your haram women are alive and have not lost their dignities to AM's men is due to Jodha's encouraging them to not give up and fight.

YOU are alive because Jodha drank poison meant to take your life!

Jodha was put at risk at the hands of Khyber - because YOUR palace security is so poor that he could carry her off while your soldiers could do nothing.

Jalal said to Jodha that SHE is the reason why he was driven to Atifa! Really what has Jodha done to drive him to Atifa? When he dropped into bathtub with her thinking Jodha - he was telling Jodha that he loves her. Now after he is showing everybody he has got the hots for Atifa he wants Jodha to feel guilty about that?

Jalal actually said to Jodha that she is not deserving of his love.

No matter WHAT HIS REASONS if he is pretending for someone's benefit - his words were horrible, cruel and absolutely self serving. Jalal was being a man who wanted to lessen HIS guilt at whatever his reason for whatever rasleela he is doing with Atifa by MAKING JODHA FEEL GUILTY.

Jalal could have fought with her about the letter, about Khyber and his feelings hurt and JUST answered yes to falling for Atifa. He could have said I love Atifa and stopped at that. WHY he had to wound Jodha so much with his words. This is disgusting and self serving.

Has Jalal forgotten that Jodha had taken any number of insults and plotting by everybody. What had deeply wounded Jodha's heart was HIS saying to her that he does not want to look at her face, that even if she lay dying he would not turn to give her a second look. That had wounded Jodha cos ONLY JALAL MATTERS to her.

He actually shouted at her saying his babies should know what kind of wife she is? 😡

Here AGAIN Jalal went overboard with harsh words wounding her and shattering Jodha's heart. IF he is pretending why did he not stop at I now love Atifa?

Jodha had NOT reacted to his shattering wounding words then and she did not react to his words yesterday. She had tears rolling down but she went kinda numb. Jodha did not show her reaction at how much he wounded her except by her eyes which took a shattered lost all will look.

Jodha did not let Jalal know how much he has wounded her spirit.

Here I want to say Paridhi was MAGNIFICENT yesterday, the wounded shattered look in her eyes is all she gave him. Screeching shouting and throwing tantrums and loud acting is considered great acting here!
Jodha Paridhi hatred is carried to such an extent that nothing good is ever seen in Jodha nor Paridhi's acting. I LOVED her and kudos to PS for a fabulous job.


The lollypop scene of Jalal staring at Jodha in prayers, calling her name when she told about the arrangements were to show us he is MAYBE starting to feel a little guilty at his harsh words.

I LOVED when Jodha averted her eyes from him in prayer room, when she did not look at him when she told him about the arrangements and when she walked off when he called her name.

THIS HORRIBLE Jalal who went way overboard in his words throwing Jodha's deep love for him that she can anyday die for him in her face and BLAMED her for his love for Atifa deserves to be raked over coals.

I don't know what the precap is - maybe Jodha pretended whole day in front of everybody by hiding her pain. It would have hit her and his shattering words come back to her when she is alone at night in her hojara.

Jalal NEEDS TO GROVEL for shatting her heart and going overboard in wounding her this much. I hope the spoiler that Jodha refuses to forgive him is true and I want to see Jodha tell him that he is free from her. He can have as many affairs and marriages as he wants, like he told her he has right to and she does not want to do anything with him anymore.

Not for falling for Atifa or saying he loves her - BUT COS Jalal doubted her love, questioned what she did for him ever and put the blame for his roving eye on HER. Jalal knows Jodha has no idea why he is doing whatever he is doing with Atifa so every single word of his wounded her heart and for that she should not forgive him.

If Jalal is doing this for Jodha then does he NOT care about her health, his babies health? Has he done a THING to take care of a pregnant Jodha? When it came to Ruk he became the carpet she stomped on and when it came to BB he was all concern about her trimester of pregnancy but when it came to Jodha - this husband of Jodha has been most callous to her in her most physical and mental delicate condition.

I want THIS Jalal who shattered her heart with his words GROVEL to even get a glimpse of her to to talk with her.

Not Jodha - Jalal is the one who is not deserving of her love - cos in all this he has been a poor husband to his pregnant wife who has suffered so much and to his unborn babies he has been a poor father. Even when pretending with Jodha he could have cared for his babies.


Maddy this is a lovely, lovely post. As I have always told you, this immense loyalty you have for Jodha and her interests is very moving. If ever she needed a lawyer ... you are the one!
You know something, I can see that sometimes people try to hide bad news from those who are pregnant and end up doing more harm than good. What has Jalal achieved by hiding stuff from Jodha anyway? he may have saved her from physical danger but mental hurt and emotional hurt also counts as danger to a pregnant woman, doesn't it?
And on another point ... he kept saying she insulted his ego in public. But wasn't it Jodha who made him first aware of public love and public esteem? Wasn't it she who showed him what the goodwill of the public means? For everything he goes and stands near the tarazu, right? Now let him go and weigh what all good Jodha did for him with the public against what all hurts he says she has given him in public!
And finally, we do need jalal to redeem himself with a good explanation and we need to see how he makes it all up to Jodha. I too don't want Jodha easily forgiving him!
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago

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