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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sun29


wahin toh mein bol rahi hoon 😆😆



We are getting so good at predicting the CVs games ... one thing is for sure ... Khaiber will be the hero by the end
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



actually Rima, the state of Jalal now is he is not even listening to anyone. Remember what Atgah told Jodha. Jodha tried talking with Atgah so that he can make Jalal understand.

I would still say both JJ are right from their own places. She was not able to bear people thrwoing stones. I will not say Jalal is wrong or Jodha is wrong

jodhas intentions were right maybe
to protect the darinda
but she should not have told him this at that time
when he had already given orders and in front of awam
now from this what they will feel is
even if the shahenshah orders someone to be punished
he or she she can get scott free by appealing to jodha begam
this is what the public will feel now
so basically jalals opinion view does nor matter at all
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Arieltabi


As a Rajvanshi wife I can never want my husband honour to fall
REALLY REALLY. Huh.
Then what happened to that Rajvanshi wife when her husband was falling on her feet saying sorry again n again for a mistake where both were equally responsible.
The truth is she has never ever think about Jalal's honour. I accepted it in Ghrina phase. But even after the love confession she didn't give a thought to Jalal's Pov in TM track.
She was never a RAJVANSHI WIFE she was, is and always will be a RAJVANSHI PRINCESS.
Jalal is right not infront of her pride.
I haven't watch the epi. Will watch the repeat tomorrow. I m not commenting this days cause I m confident about all this being Jalal's tedapan after reading Adi, Khusi, and Sun's posts. I m waiting for the day to come.

she is just i me myself
jalal is just no one
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi divya, nice take!
I just want to say with Kyber-jodha track: Neither Jalal nor Jodha is wrong. Both are right at their own place.

I am going to share what I wrote in another thread regarding Jalal-atifa track:

Jalal-Atifa track:

Three possibilities and its effects and loopholes:

1) Jalal being Teda Jalal: Jalal knowing Atifa is an assassin and acting "attracted or interested" in her to show everyone and therefore ridiculous dialogues and scenes with Atgah (about love etc) and with Jodha to show how he has changed and does not care about his love and a woman he who giving him an heir.

This would be the best way to resurrect Teda Jalal. All fans -be it Jalal fans (esp.), Akdha fans and Jodha fans would be very happy. However, the problem is in order to do "drama" he caused or will cause unintentional mental stress to Jodha and his unborn kids which is not good for her health or his kids. but, he might have thought preventing direct physical danger to jodha and kids is better or more important than worrying about mental stress which might have less effect than real physical danger.

2) Jalal under spell or hypnotised: This would explain his changed behavior towards everyone esp. Jodha and even his OWN changing nature. It would totally justify his own behavior and his behavior towards everyone esp. Jodha.So, no one will blame him for anything.

But, the problem is that usually when some one is under spell or hypnotism, one does not realize it. So, it means there would be some other person (most likely Jodha and Atgah may be) who realizes it and diffuses the spell and rescues Jalal. There is nothing wrong with it except it would seem repetitive of Benz track unless something clicks or triggers Jalal's mind or something big happens that shakes Jalal out of hypnotism/spell without the help of a person. (the trigger could be an event or prayers or a miracle - it can be anything). After he realizes he is under spell then maybe they can show teda Jalal but it seems highly unlikely considering current Cvs.

If this happens, Akdha fans will be very happy for obvious reason and so would most Jodha and most Jalal fans. (except that the hope of Teda Jalal would be gone for this track unless after he comes out of spell by himself he acts Teda and get to the root of problem).Few Jodha fans might feel guilty or hurt/sad that they called Jalal by different names or that they had to eat their own words. Few Jalal fans might get mad if Jodha rescues him again while he is under spell.

3) Jalal is genuinely attracted or interested in Atifa or love(?) Atifa: If Atifa would have been unmarried then it would have made more sense if he was attracted to her. But, she is married (well at least that's what is shown so far). So, it really goes against Emperor Jalal, husband Jalal, lover Jalal and God-loving Jalal, too. This would also go against the main point of the epic love story.If he is NOT shown under spell or as teda jalal, then I really don't know what to say.

If this happens, then be it Akdha fans, Jodha fans or Jalal fans, all would be devastated and angry. The reasons might be different- Akdha fans will be mad because their Akdha are not together in love and with each other, some Jodha fans will be mad because Jodha is hurt and Some Jalal fans will be mad because he will probably have to apologize to Jodha and they will not like it at all. One thing all fans will agree that Jalal's character would have been butchered even more than before.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: rima4ever


she is just i me myself
jalal is just no one


Even after falling in love with Jalal. She don't give a thought to Jalal's pov. Jalal always has to follow her orders. When he doesn't he don't love her at all. She is the one who shouted so much Todarmal because he entered Harem. But when it comes to Sujamal and Khyber entering Harem She is supporting them. She is a big double standard. Jalal has to follow all the rules but she , her family and her favs r always above law.
I know Jalal should not shout at her at this condition. But she too should behave like a queen too.
First she go and insult Jalal publicly and then lie about being a rajvanshi woman her husband honor is everything for her. Why lie? When did she ever care about Jalal's honour. Its all about her Rajvanshi honour.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi, Divs. U made a good casepoint for both JaJo with ur take. But what to do , yaar, the CV s just udaofy all theories by their own inconsistent & crappy tracks that its no use breaking our heads over it, am thinking 😕 .

Though I liked the dialogues that Jalal said about not being a puppet bla bla & all that, my question is, who asked him to become one in the first place. He was the one who bent 360 degrees to please Jodha & accommodate all her whims & fancies to get into her good books & make her fall for him. He gave her so much leeway to ride over even his words in many instances, so why complain now. Even in Toddy case, seeing his words, what came to many of our minds was Jalal gave the tope sentence just because Jodha argued for it. Why else the dialogue like ab toh aap bahut khush hogi , aisa kuch. So whatever he now says just seems somewhat empty & hollow to me .

Regarding Jodha intervening on Khybu s behalf at the nth minute, she s always been like that, sort of unthinking & adamant in some ways & I guess in future also she ll be shown that way only seeing the innumerable posts in support of her action. The majority of forumites views translate to viewpoints of TRP janta too, I think.

And Jalal yelling at her when she's in an err delicate condition. Well, keeping aside Atifa & all that, well, I guess it does happen in real life too between couples bcos we r all humans & emotions do get the better of us. And here Jalal was shouting just bcos he was worried for Jo & the kids too which he perceives too be under danger bcos of Khybu. So what s the hungama of Jallu shouting at a pregnant Jo I really cant understand ( it s another thing that am quite shorttempered too & so can exactly understand where Jallu s coming from 😉 😆 ).

Anyways, seeing Jallu s behaviour am getting more & more scared for another of his cryathon & maufithon sessions. Its getting a bit too tiresome to always see Jalal in the wrong whatever he does & Jodha shown right & praised even if she s wrong . Still hoping against hope for a Jalal redemption.

Thanks, Div 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: rima4ever

jodhas intentions were right maybe
to protect the darinda
but she should not have told him this at that time
when he had already given orders and in front of awam
now from this what they will feel is
even if the shahenshah orders someone to be punished
he or she she can get scott free by appealing to jodha begam
this is what the public will feel now
so basically jalals opinion view does nor matter at all


It might not have occurred to Jodha to use the vachan... For me both were right and both were wrong ... But can also see why folks are thinking Jodha is more in the wrong
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ashpat

Hi divya, nice take!

I just want to say with Kyber-jodha track: Neither Jalal nor Jodha is wrong. Both are right at their own place.

I am going to share what I wrote in another thread regarding Jalal-atifa track:

Jalal-Atifa track:

Three possibilities and its effects and loopholes:

1) Jalal being Teda Jalal: Jalal knowing Atifa is an assassin and acting "attracted or interested" in her to show everyone and therefore ridiculous dialogues and scenes with Atgah (about love etc) and with Jodha to show how he has changed and does not care about his love and a woman he who giving him an heir.

This would be the best way to resurrect Teda Jalal. All fans -be it Jalal fans (esp.), Akdha fans and Jodha fans would be very happy. However, the problem is in order to do "drama" he caused or will cause unintentional mental stress to Jodha and his unborn kids which is not good for her health or his kids. but, he might have thought preventing direct physical danger to jodha and kids is better or more important than worrying about mental stress which might have less effect than real physical danger.

2) Jalal under spell or hypnotised: This would explain his changed behavior towards everyone esp. Jodha and even his OWN changing nature. It would totally justify his own behavior and his behavior towards everyone esp. Jodha.So, no one will blame him for anything.

But, the problem is that usually when some one is under spell or hypnotism, one does not realize it. So, it means there would be some other person (most likely Jodha and Atgah may be) who realizes it and diffuses the spell and rescues Jalal. There is nothing wrong with it except it would seem repetitive of Benz track unless something clicks or triggers Jalal's mind or something big happens that shakes Jalal out of hypnotism/spell without the help of a person. (the trigger could be an event or prayers or a miracle - it can be anything). After he realizes he is under spell then maybe they can show teda Jalal but it seems highly unlikely considering current Cvs.

If this happens, Akdha fans will be very happy for obvious reason and so would most Jodha and most Jalal fans. (except that the hope of Teda Jalal would be gone for this track unless after he comes out of spell by himself he acts Teda and get to the root of problem).Few Jodha fans might feel guilty or hurt/sad that they called Jalal by different names or that they had to eat their own words. Few Jalal fans might get mad if Jodha rescues him again while he is under spell.

3) Jalal is genuinely attracted or interested in Atifa or love(?) Atifa: If Atifa would have been unmarried then it would have made more sense if he was attracted to her. But, she is married (well at least that's what is shown so far). So, it really goes against Emperor Jalal, husband Jalal, lover Jalal and God-loving Jalal, too. This would also go against the main point of the epic love story.If he is NOT shown under spell or as teda jalal, then I really don't know what to say.

If this happens, then be it Akdha fans, Jodha fans or Jalal fans, all would be devastated and angry. The reasons might be different- Akdha fans will be mad because their Akdha are not together in love and with each other, some Jodha fans will be mad because Jodha is hurt and Some Jalal fans will be mad because he will probably have to apologize to Jodha and they will not like it at all. One thing all fans will agree that Jalal's character would have been butchered even more than before.



Great scenarios and all on the table ... I came up with something very similar for my take today (yes, I already know what my take is 😆) ... So will reserve my thoughts till then.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ngayou

Hi, Divs. U made a good casepoint for both JaJo with ur take. But what to do , yaar, the CV s just udaofy all theories by their own inconsistent & crappy tracks that its no use breaking our heads over it, am thinking 😕 .

Though I liked the dialogues that Jalal said about not being a puppet bla bla & all that, my question is, who asked him to become one in the first place. He was the one who bent 360 degrees to please Jodha & accommodate all her whims & fancies to get into her good books & make her fall for him. He gave her so much leeway to ride over even his words in many instances, so why complain now. Even in Toddy case, seeing his words, what came to many of our minds was Jalal gave the tope sentence just because Jodha argued for it. Why else the dialogue like ab toh aap bahut khush hogi , aisa kuch. So whatever he now says just seems somewhat empty & hollow to me .

Agreed- unless he shows judgment and common sense - the dialogues mean nothing

Regarding Jodha intervening on Khybu s behalf at the nth minute, she s always been like that, sort of unthinking & adamant in some ways & I guess in future also she ll be shown that way only seeing the innumerable posts in support of her action. The majority of forumites views translate to viewpoints of TRP janta too, I think.

Well Jodha's intentions are so good ... That is why she has so much support
Many believe as long as your intentions are good ... That is all that matters

And Jalal yelling at her when she's in an err delicate condition. Well, keeping aside Atifa & all that, well, I guess it does happen in real life too between couples bcos we r all humans & emotions do get the better of us. And here Jalal was shouting just bcos he was worried for Jo & the kids too which he perceives too be under danger bcos of Khybu. So what s the hungama of Jallu shouting at a pregnant Jo I really cant understand ( it s another thing that am quite shorttempered too & so can exactly understand where Jallu s coming from 😉 😆 ).

It was purely concern ... That is what I said- do not link it with Atifa track ... In any case two wrongs so not make a right

Anyways, seeing Jallu s behaviour am getting more & more scared for another of his cryathon & maufithon sessions. Its getting a bit too tiresome to always see Jalal in the wrong whatever he does & Jodha shown right & praised even if she s wrong . Still hoping against hope for a Jalal redemption.

Umeed per kayam hai yeh duniya mere dost

Thanks, Div 😳

Thanks!

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Posted: 11 years ago
Honestly this show is always about jodha nd jalal is always the way to make jodha mahan nd thts the truth. Evrything about jalal has been destroyed. So whts left? Yes now how bcoz of jodha's love nd strongness he again becomes a human being thts the story. CVs wanted to destroy jalal completely so tht at the end of the day the story only remains about jodha's glory. But why blame CVs? Audience love to see this. Till now still there were many people to support jalal bcoz even during benz track or sujamal track there were room to defend him. But this track made jalal beyond any repairs.

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