love/lust and faulty display of characterization!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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hi folks! my post will be regarding what is given to us and how we interpret and how the characters are made to look more like fake man made catputlies rather than someone like u or me that we can relate to...now what touches our heart...its when we watch something that has either happened in our lives or the characters seem so real that we see in our day to day life..why SBSs are cliched and why we still keep watching them, just because they are ott and we just watch it for fun but cannot relate to it nor do they disturb our emotions and we do not have to use our brains to deal with any logic if given!..but jodha akbar started off as a historical with story that of Akbar the great and his favorite wife jodha, we got spoilt with magnificent display of characterization and the story as close to history/reality as it can be and a big relief from the daily boring SBSs, now that is what hooked me on to the show, but to my displeasure it did get badly brushed away by the sbs cliched tracks just for the sake of trps!

i stopped watching the day i saw Akbar shown as a captive, just to glorify jodha and make her win the war, a complete false interpretation of historical facts..influenced by our daily naari sakti sbs shows!..then every track that started ended with hail jodha and at times it looked funny ott and forced as if the rest are just bunch of cartoons or key toys that start clapping when u turn their key on! i could not relate to history nor i could relate to the characterization of real jodha who i am sure would have got praises in the four walls of her room from her husband as who does hail my wifey in public on every single thing, its just like i am glorifying my kid in a group where everyone else is equally responsible for putting up a good show! what would have been realistic is that if jodha's faults and good deeds were balanced and coinciding with the ideologies of a 16th century woman who being a rajput was a full on pati vrata lady and not a rebellious one! i can understand during ghrina phase but once she is in love and is now pregnant with jalal's child still goes against her husband and supports khyber is what i fail to understand and relate to the real historical character! a faulty display indeed!

i did started watching from wednesday onwards where the atifa angle is shown, it might have happened in history and i can somewhat relate to it and also it looks more realistic than what i have been shown a few days back..now there has been a lot of reactions to jalal's behaviour but if u look at the kings of that century it was a very normal behavior! now if you all think of it, if jodha is pregnant and lets say the hakima sahiba says that she cannot have any physical contact with the husband until she delivers do you guys think that jalal or lets say the real akbar would have gone without sleeping with anybody for one year and that also when he is obligated to spend nights with his so many female partners? now does that make him not loyal towards jodha as far as his love is concerned, i would say no, jodha has her own place and so does ruk and salima..jodha was also muz for which she was kept on a pedestal by jalal as compared to the others!..and of course she must be having her strong good qualities as well!..as mentioned by mages jalal's touching atifa was indecent, i think he still maintained some distance and decency was it any other king of that time he would have ordered her to attend him in his hojra..and that is the reality!

now what is love/lust..i think these terms are relative! they are juxtaposed! a man needs a physical relation to fall in love whereas a woman needs a soul connection to fall in love..when a woman submits herself physically, she in exchange gets the love that she is craving for!...for jalal its more of a physical touch that makes him connected to somebody and for jodha its the inner feel that makes her connect to somebody, therefore comparing jodha's liking or attraction or whatever you may call for khyber to jalal's attraction/lust/infatuation or whatever you may call for atifa is like comparing apples to oranges...! these attractions are gender based!...now when we come to cvz or display of characterization then i believe that every character shown should be close to reality..jodha should be shown more of a normal human being rather than mahaan all the time, she should have her fears..her inabilities or her abilities of actions close to what a 16th century hira kuwari could have done,,on the other hand jalal should be shown as powerful and authoritative, more close to the real akbar who transformed from grey to more white but still had his weaknesses and strengths, never was he weak when it came to wars or was a captive as shown in the show and to add more to his insults he was shown beaten up as well..now that is quite disgusting and disgraceful on ekta's part!

i will briefly mention ZGH since a lot of you can relate to that show, the way the characterization of the main lead and their relatives was shown seemed like it was your and mine story and it touched our hearts, both were neither mahaan nor completely faulty, they had their ups and downs their emotions were close to a normal human being, they were no gods, they were given equal importance and screen space, it was not male or female centric, and that is why the show touched everyone's heart and we felt close to the show and learned something from it..and the most beautiful thing was how they grew in each other's company and how the trust was built, very beautifully and realistically shown..i just want the characters of JA to be more normal..realistic and the tracks should have some connectivity..i hope the cvz work on it and also not butcher one character to glorify the other!

i would love to hear what you all have to say to the khichari that cvz have made of this show which started off very well!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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yes Mandy show did begin very well. All the way to the wedding was like watching another show from the one we see now. But then there were no trp worries, it hadn't yet gotten high enough. Now it's a trp success and so the story changes depending on trps. Characters change overnight, they forget what they said yesterday and behave the total opposite today. Even if I'm quite happy to watch Ekta's version of Jalal and Jodha, I go round in circles because they are not consistent. Characters, if they are adults, if they are rulers, need to say what they mean and mean what they say. But in a daily serial that chases trps, I think CVs need to drop the disclaimer and just start every episode with ...

and Today's Jalal and Today's Jodha may or may not resemble previous Jalal and Jodha. If you have built up a logical image of characters in your imagination , we are not responsible.


having said the above, there have been some rare moments where some effort and thought has been put into the scene. There's a lot of work involved in what they do, I'm sure that they, as well as us, wish it could make more sense and impact like it did in the early days of JA.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bravo is only word for this wonderful post. 👏 every one is missing point that this happened in 16th century but then it is not views fault too becoz they have been shown jalaal as jodha lover , one women man, ruk as childhood friend & Salima as consultant . So it is been difficult for viewers to digest this side of jalaal. When they showed captured emperor , there was no problem becoz his warrior side was never shown fully , initially it was there but more on moral basis to show him jalaad. So viewer had to problem with weak emperor . Jodha on other hand was shown always right in whatever she does or whatever path she choose to do it, hence her meeting with giant is not that problematic to viewers . There are very few people who want to see real akbar and jodha , one as strong emperor , great administrator , philanthropies , great judge of character , witty & other as better half who complimented him and his qualities and made them even better. But I guess with ekta we are hoping to much & I don't know how mind set of Trp aunties work
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bang on Mandy - EK's major faux pas has been in trying to make a show on Akbar to be heroine centric - infact she could have still done that had she made the heroine as the muse for the male protagonist - Akbar is a persona too 'vishal' to be boxed into EK's usual pitara of her heroes - and becoz she wanted to do that she ended up creating a hollow shell of a show since the Tasneem track, which is currently being lugged on the shoulders of the actors like the proverbial corpse on the shoulder of Vikramaditya.

Infact this show had that rarest of opportunities for EK to break out of her mold and create fresh benchmarks - she had the opportunity to explore man-woman relations from umpteen perspectives - present one of the most mature love sagas within a polygamous set-up where each wife had the opportunity of being the strength behind her man while one managed to touch his soul and become the beloved by becoming the lover and making him her beloved - oh for such a tale - what I would have given to watch it!!!! - and to top it all she had the actors who have the ability to deliver all this and more!!!!! - To have had it all and thrown it all away - that is EK - infact I will (mis)quote Shakespeare here - Shortsightedness, they name is EK !!!!!!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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al_pal, even regular trp audience might like a change but producers don't have the will to take a small risk and show more normal flawed human beings. How long can we watch one pov to every show...or maybe it's Ekta shows.

Now this wedding issue coming up and the heroine has to stop it but she is in a dharam sankat ...and wait...she has another emergency called Khyber to deal with... this is typical Ekta serial.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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sorry guys heading out but will be back in couple of hours to continue..walk time!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: PadBear

al_pal, even regular trp audience might like a change but producers don't have the will to take a small risk and show more normal flawed human beings. How long can we watch one pov to every show...or maybe it's Ekta shows.

Now this wedding issue coming up and the heroine has to stop it but she is in a dharam sankat ...and wait...she has another emergency called Khyber to deal with... this is typical Ekta serial.

I agree with u . I don't know Wht to expect becoz this is my 1st ekta serial.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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wonderful post mandy
i fully agree with u
till now i am seeing nothing bad
in the way jalal is behaving with atifa
i do not see it as lust or attraction
but more intrigue and curiosity
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: PadBear

yes Mandy show did begin very well. All the way to the wedding was like watching another show from the one we see now. But then there were no trp worries, it hadn't yet gotten high enough. Now it's a trp success and so the story changes depending on trps. Characters change overnight, they forget what they said yesterday and behave the total opposite today. Even if I'm quite happy to watch Ekta's version of Jalal and Jodha, I go round in circles because they are not consistent. Characters, if they are adults, if they are rulers, need to say what they mean and mean what they say. But in a daily serial that chases trps, I think CVs need to drop the disclaimer and just start every episode with ...

and Today's Jalal and Today's Jodha may or may not resemble previous Jalal and Jodha. If you have built up a logical image of characters in your imagination , we are not responsible.


having said the above, there have been some rare moments where some effort and thought has been put into the scene. There's a lot of work involved in what they do, I'm sure that they, as well as us, wish it could make more sense and impact like it did in the early days of JA.



very well said cuddly bear! esp in bold! i too fail to recognize or relate to the main lead when they behave completely different the very next day..consistency and connectivity is missing big time!..that is why it is very important to not show them perfect i just want cvz to show them like normal royals..and not some behroopiyas that change with the blink of an eye!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: al_pal

Bravo is only word for this wonderful post. 👏 every one is missing point that this happened in 16th century but then it is not views fault too becoz they have been shown jalaal as jodha lover , one women man, ruk as childhood friend & Salima as consultant . So it is been difficult for viewers to digest this side of jalaal. When they showed captured emperor , there was no problem becoz his warrior side was never shown fully , initially it was there but more on moral basis to show him jalaad. So viewer had to problem with weak emperor . Jodha on other hand was shown always right in whatever she does or whatever path she choose to do it, hence her meeting with giant is not that problematic to viewers . There are very few people who want to see real akbar and jodha , one as strong emperor , great administrator , philanthropies , great judge of character , witty & other as better half who complimented him and his qualities and made them even better. But I guess with ekta we are hoping to much & I don't know how mind set of Trp aunties work



thx dear! trp aunties do not want to think and they do not like logic, any show that makes them think i guess puts them to sleep..they want to watch the show while cooking or cleaning so that they can catch one dialogue and then that same dialogue will be repeated zillion times with loud BG until they get every tom dick and harry's reaction! and ekta although wants to keep the historical feel is walking on those lines so that money keeps pouring in which is also important for a show to continue..but why cannot the trps be high if some nice story with connection to history is shown..i stopped watching after butchering of jalal..maybe many must have stopped watching who know history and love the real akbar!

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