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Posted: 11 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: AKT.JA

Just a few quick observations inspired by your post which was enjoyable and thought provoking as always. As you said the epi was neither a pure filler nor a thriller, just limping along towards more interesting ends.

For a background, while most of my friends here are ecstatic about JoJa fighting their enemies together and Jalal romancing her on the battlefield, I have been a silent contrarian on that. Everything may be fair in love and war, but everything is not the same in love and war. :) This was not the time for these two super-trained fighters to prove how much better they were than minimum-wage sipahis; it was the time to show responsibility, minimize risk, and maximize gains. I am not saying that they should refuse a fight forced on them, nor that Jalal should treat Jo like a doll and fight by himself. Instead, he should realize that killing poor peasant sipahis accomplishes nothing; he needs a few prisoners to extract information, and the two of them can only kill, not take prisoners. While they had a chance, they should have retreated and had the whole area surrounded by a large number of soldiers. That's how you take prisoners.

Of course, Mughal empire is not very good at investigating. Recall how Jo and Ja kept missing each other from a few feet away in Mathura? After MA admitted in her blast that she had hatched other conspiracies against Jo, Jalal ddn't even ask what those were! This time nobody thought of locking up palace gates, so at least they could track in and out movements (that would have netted Adham)---Maham, the only sharp mind in Agra, had done precisely that in Sujamal track, which is how Moti and Jo's outings got caught. Also no massive army was sent to the forest, which too might have netted Adham. We had more important things to do like placating Ruq. :)

So imagine my surprise that Atga did something right. I am not sure what purpose the lash served in DEK; these guys are warriors, haven't they seen a dead body before? Also, there must have been hidden refrigeration facilities in Agra for the body to be in such good shape the next day. :) Nevertheless, other opportunities already bungled, it was the only clue left and Atga did investigate correctly. Identify the soldier, his employer Gazi Khan, and the latter's protector Raja Ram Chandra; use gun-boat diplomacy to force the Raja to surrender GK; some water-boarding or its 16th century equivalent and GK just might come clean about AK. :) So there is a path still left to the real culprit whether they successfully pursue it or not.

I find the Shehnaz character underwhelming so far. Her pagal act is kind of charming, but she becomes a true pagal for me when she is being serious.

How did Shehnaz recognize CB's portrait if she got separated as a baby? Why blame Jalal who wan't even born then? She can throw a knife towards Jalal but how will that help her in getting the Delhi throne and, more importantly, in keeping it? But then Agra is full of nut cases who think that if only Jalal would die, everyone will accept them as the Empreror or Empress.

As for Ruq, I am so bored with her that I have stopped watching, reading, or even thinking about her. :) Please forgive me. I am sure your analysis was insightful, but I skipped it. I won't even bother with bhandaphod when it happens. That track has managed to lose me completely.

Given where your expectations are set and where the Creatives are basing their intelligence, I see quite a chasm in between!😆😆😆😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: neeshaa16

Dear Mansi

Kudos for selecting a very very apt title for yesterday's episode. As you have correctly described that though everyone is happy thinking that that they have got correct clues and are moving in right direction.. the fact is that nothing is moving everything is standstill and even if they are moving they are going to return empty handed...I really dont understand why are CVS hell bent on butchering all historical characters? Jalal ..the shrew d Emperor who is supposed to have many spies can't reach the real culprit when the culprit is standing right in front of him.. how very pathetic.. How come Adham-Maham get scott free every time..??


Oh and what to say about Ruks.. who is supposed to be witty and intelligent.. . now has no idea where her drama is going to end up.. Now she realises that she has built everyone's expectations too high and there is no U turn for her...

Mansi..as you said precap might be Ruks another plan to get out of this mess and get a clean chit as well. that it was just a false alarm.. .. so that she does not get caught in this ..or may be as you say it can be Ruks kaa dream

CVS have a fascination for muti colored vomits.. so they have to show us this crap... Yucky... and BTW Mansi.. why do Shahi Hakims keep changing every single time.. Yesterday again there was a new Hakim sahibaa!! ridiculous..

Shehnaaz is another one living in a fools paradise.. I cant enjoy this Shehnaaz track also.. utter rubbish. I am also venting today because after one good episode suddenly our expectations rise and then give plethora of rubbish episodes one after other .. what to say!! Can't they simply maintain their standards?? Why is Todarmal reduced to just singing slogans of Shehenshah zindabad.. no other work to do?? Can't he too help in investigation? My anger against the CVS is that they don't utilise positive characters..just giving them one or tw meaningful episodes is enough or what?? why can't we have more of Todarmal in action??? No dialogues for him?


Sorry Mansi.. my venting is going out of control.. so I must stop.. I am going to call zee and ask them to stop showing these stupid pregnancy tracks... ..they are really puke worthy.. ...I tell them if they continue to show such tracks everyone will start getting multi colored vomits.. . !!Yuck..

These multicolour vomits are really incredible. How can they even think of stuff like this? Must be extremely Creative!😉😆😆😆😆😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#13

Originally posted by: ---jais---

Great post mansi.

Episode was ok type a little bit progress in the story.
I always like dek scene for seeing angry jalal and for alsoa that they confirm it they also opreate the sultanat not only harem
Jodha and maan scene-there was kashmakash in maan mind to fight against a rajvanshi but jodha understoof him that he is in service of mughal empire and enemy has no religion and clan.that convo was nice. I also likef jalal and maan convo.
Shehnaj is such dumb person she if jalal want delhi takt why he will alive her mother sheisnot thinking about that and not knowing anything shr want only revenge and here jodha and jalal are thinking about chand begum and her daughter how to find them.
As for ruk scene finally ruk show somr guilt but it was too late. Ireally feel bad for jalal when he come to know that ruk lying him he will be shattered i really want to slap ruk such ungraceful lady.
Precap- it must be nightmare of ruk because how come suddenly jalal doubt her without any reason and someday before a hakima checked her and confirmed everybody that she is pregnant.

Could be Ruq's nightmare (the precap) or it could also be Maham's dearest wish!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#14

Originally posted by: kashvi786

Nice take mansi yesterday epi was OK so many misunderstanding but I think precap was another fake one I don't think ruq flak pregnancy drama will open link this in single epi and then wat abt promo why jalu is so happy

Wat u think exactly wat gonna happen
Blast of ruqs or another faking precap

Exactly the same doubt I have ... if the exposure of Ruq is happening then how come the promo shows Jalal so normal, so happy with Jodha? Or is the pracap real and the promo a dream?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Exactly the same doubt I have ... if the exposure of Ruq is happening then how come the promo shows Jalal so normal, so happy with Jodha? Or is the pracap real and the promo a dream?

Wat CVS want fake fake fake next two days gonna tell us wat they want
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Posted: 11 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: AKT.JA

Just a few quick observations inspired by your post which was enjoyable and thought provoking as always. As you said the epi was neither a pure filler nor a thriller, just limping along towards more interesting ends.

For a background, while most of my friends here are ecstatic about JoJa fighting their enemies together and Jalal romancing her on the battlefield, I have been a silent contrarian on that. Everything may be fair in love and war, but everything is not the same in love and war. :) This was not the time for these two super-trained fighters to prove how much better they were than minimum-wage sipahis; it was the time to show responsibility, minimize risk, and maximize gains. I am not saying that they should refuse a fight forced on them, nor that Jalal should treat Jo like a doll and fight by himself. Instead, he should realize that killing poor peasant sipahis accomplishes nothing; he needs a few prisoners to extract information, and the two of them can only kill, not take prisoners. While they had a chance, they should have retreated and had the whole area surrounded by a large number of soldiers. That's how you take prisoners.

Of course, Mughal empire is not very good at investigating. Recall how Jo and Ja kept missing each other from a few feet away in Mathura? After MA admitted in her blast that she had hatched other conspiracies against Jo, Jalal ddn't even ask what those were! This time nobody thought of locking up palace gates, so at least they could track in and out movements (that would have netted Adham)---Maham, the only sharp mind in Agra, had done precisely that in Sujamal track, which is how Moti and Jo's outings got caught. Also no massive army was sent to the forest, which too might have netted Adham. We had more important things to do like placating Ruq. :)

So imagine my surprise that Atga did something right. I am not sure what purpose the lash served in DEK; these guys are warriors, haven't they seen a dead body before? Also, there must have been hidden refrigeration facilities in Agra for the body to be in such good shape the next day. :) Nevertheless, other opportunities already bungled, it was the only clue left and Atga did investigate correctly. Identify the soldier, his employer Gazi Khan, and the latter's protector Raja Ram Chandra; use gun-boat diplomacy to force the Raja to surrender GK; some water-boarding or its 16th century equivalent and GK just might come clean about AK. :) So there is a path still left to the real culprit whether they successfully pursue it or not.

I find the Shehnaz character underwhelming so far. Her pagal act is kind of charming, but she becomes a true pagal for me when she is being serious.

How did Shehnaz recognize CB's portrait if she got separated as a baby? Why blame Jalal who wan't even born then? She can throw a knife towards Jalal but how will that help her in getting the Delhi throne and, more importantly, in keeping it? But then Agra is full of nut cases who think that if only Jalal would die, everyone will accept them as the Empreror or Empress.

As for Ruq, I am so bored with her that I have stopped watching, reading, or even thinking about her. :) Please forgive me. I am sure your analysis was insightful, but I skipped it. I won't even bother with bhandaphod when it happens. That track has managed to lose me completely.


Bang on post.. correct..even I was wondering how um CVS have shown that Shehnaaz recognises CBs potrait and by killing Jalal how does she think that she will get what she wants..revenge alright but not takht.. as she wants.. yes and of course Agra is full of pagals.. thats atlleast thats how the CVS are projecting all the characters to be... we are at the receiving end.. so what can we do.. but sit and wach all crap quietly and vent it out all here in this forum...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#17
missed yesterday's episode but your post made up for it... great analysis👏
i'm getting seriously fed up of this track... so much so that i can't even come up one fourth of my standard essays here😆 official lazy day today... will be reading the discussion here...
bas... ab babaji se prayer hai ki rukku ka bhaanda phod do ...pleeease babaji...

waise... aaj milna hai sirf
... my gaurantee...🤢😆

(sorry... watching reruns of CNWK...so am channeling kapil a bit😆)
Edited by ThorinMcBroody - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ThorinMcBroody

missed yesterday's episode but your post made up for it... great analysis👏

i'm getting seriously fed up of this track... so much so that i can't even come up one fourth of my standard essays here😆 official lazy day today... will be reading the discussion here...
bas... ab babaji se prayer hai ki rukku ka bhaanda phod do ...pleeease babaji...

waise... aaj milna hai sirf
... my gaurantee...🤢😆

(sorry... watching reruns of CNWK...so am channeling kapil a bit😆)

Relax, when there's a bhandaphod you will hear the noise.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hey Mansi,
Regarding the promo, one question just striked me.. By coming to know of Ruks truth..that she is not pregnant .. of course the bhandaphod will take some more time.. but even if Jalal comes to know that she is not pregnant ..he ought to be shattered but look at the promo..Shehnaz wala... He is looking so happy.. nd he is making her wear the Khandani Kangan kyaa??mean Jo declared pregnnt.. that too so soon.. waat lgaa di ! Iss show kaa nm.. Jodha Akbr nhi... pregnancy ki daastaan ya.. pregancy and MC ek ke baad ek ia hi kuch hona chahiyee tha..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Mansi,

Great analysis :)

1. Jalal now feels Ghazi Khan is actually working for someone in the palace. This GK is responsible for the attack and must be caught. He may then reveal AK's hand. Usually small fry has to be caught to get to the big fish.

2. It is remarkable Jalal has chosen MS and not AK to attack Rewa. This shows he is already turning towards Amer and away from Mughals..

BTW had read somewhere on forum that Akbar had grown up in Rewa and was good friends with Rewa king and had never attacked him. But present track runs contrary to that. Wonder which version is correct.

3. If shehnaz finds out Maham is behind her mom's kidnapping, I shudder to think what she will do to her.

4. Good to know jodha will know shehnaz's secret
And will probably be instrumental in exposing her and protecting Jalal.

5. I agree with ur thoughts on ruq. I had also posted earlier she is comical now rather than villainous.
Wish she had been shown as having more intelligent plans. (since it seems Akbar had stopped talking to her for some years.)
Actually I like the fact that Jalal treats both ruq and jodha with equal love and respect. Jodha too is happy to accept her in Jalal's life. If ruq had continued as the audha fixated person, and Jalal had been shown to have been gradually disillusioned by her in comparison with jodha, it would have seemed more credible.

This whole fp track and colourful vomits is not nice to watch.

6. May be god bharai will happen on fri and ruq exposed then. Maybe her guilt will make her expose herself like she admitted to knowing the truth of dilawar.

7. precap could be dream or reality. CVs surprise us time to time.

8. Since JJ will lose a few babies before Salim, we have to be prepared for more pregnancy tracks.




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