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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: aashyagh



I agree Sandhya, even I would have reacted similarly and been insecured, ofcourse will not fake these dramas though and few of her reactions and actions are understandable, irrespective of people claims it was polygamy era and women were used to it, Ruq's wasn't used to Jalal giving attention to other women, he was not emotionally connected with other women and it changed after Jodha came into his life. But, she was projected as an intelligent woman and with some goodness, but this track has put her down to pits and like she said herself, there is no looking back for her. Now, we all will see her as an extra in Jalal's life. Thanks to cv's😡. Just that after this reevaluation, I just hope they don't turn her dirt black.



Very good points on both sides Sandhya and Ash!

For Ruqs I once said that the most apt song for her is "waqt ne kiyakya haseen sitam, tum rahe na tum and hum rahe na hum" - I think Ruq's problem was she never realized how time was changing around her and never adapted with it or try to talk to Jalal about it. Then she tried desperate measures. But I totally understand her insecurity.

My only question always was does she truly love Jalal or does she want to be loved by Jalal because she sees him shower Jo with the love she never had?

Ruqs was always grey for me- even she used Ben against Jodha after Jodha came across as wrong in front of the entire DEK in accusing her. She never created anything wrong against Jo till the murthi khaand.


The CVs could have created a story where Ruqs still remains the best friend; but they took the easy way out and are looking to relegate her to the background.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: mandyg

divi, lovely as usual! finally our jalal is wearing his thinking cap and the whole episode revolved around him..was lovely to watch the king and the father in action finally!..loved the precap..hope this track ends asap!..had enough of it!



Thanks! Yes Jalal was on top of his game yesterday- especially as a king.

I am very excited about the precap- let us see how it plays out.

Let's hope Ruks plot to end- it has been like slow poison
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Arieltabi

Hey Divya great post.
I m sick so won't be able to write much.
I m really surprised that Atgah did the right investigation. I thought it will be some bali ka bakra. But Jalal did caught the scent. It won't take much time for Jalal to reach AK through Gazi Khan. He already doubts somebody might help him.
SN I don't wanna talk about it.This track is baseless and illogical.
Finally Rukku felt guilty. She realized what blunder she has created. But its too late.
I hope SN is not Chands real daughter or she does something horrible. Or else Jalal will give her the delhi ka takht.



Thanks for posting! Hope you feel better and take care!

Yes, I was cheering when Jalal caught the right scent.

Ruqs is too little, to late.

And SN track is beyond hope- there are so many loop-holes in this track! Let's see how the CVs play it out.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



I do agree Jalal gave too much of importance to RUks. But what has she done in return. She was never there for him when he needed her the most. In fact I was watching some old epis today where Maham asks Ruks why she is not with Jalal and comforting him when he needed her the most. even then Ruks did not give much importance as she though here position is intact. well too bad.





Ruqs always thought she could only have Jalal's mind and focused on that; Jalal also never
liked empathy and emotional support before Jodha.

But it is true she did not adapt with changing times

Everyone has different way to express their emotions

What Ruqs is doing now is terrible, but that does not mean she was a terrible person
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Posted: 11 years ago
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well jalal neither had hurt ruku nor jodha. he never did anything intentionally. whtever happened was circumstantial. we have to understand jalal's point of view as well. polygamy is not only difficult for a woman but also for a man. jalal cares for both & tries to balance things in his own way. ruku's place for jalal is still the same. but till now there was noone else in jalal's life who became equally imp. we may argue tht jalal should have made ruku sit & explain, but again jalal is also a young guy who is just learning these things. just like we expect jalal to balance things, similarly, its expected tht ruku should have openly talked about her jealousy & insecurities directly with jalal. just like jodha did. jalal always loves those people who directly comes up to him & shares their feelings. thts why jalal was closer to maham bcoz gud or bad, she had always approached jalal as a mother, & not a wazir-e-walia. even HB initially failed to do tht. she thought tht jalal is happy with maham, so she never interfered. from day one jalal is more closer to those people who comes up with their real feelings whether its love or hate. whether its abdul or the lil kids his love for them was always there bcoz of their honest confessions. ruku's approach should have been more direct & straight forward towards jalal.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: aashyagh


Sandhya, no doubt he has hurt her, but I think Ruq knew that Jalal didn't love her and she was confident that he will never love anyone else and if you notice, inspite if Ruq's misbehaviour, her support to MA in Sujamal khaand has been ignored by Jalal only because he cares for her and he understands her and not once he has told Ruq's that, he loves Jodha even though he has shown it thru actions, he is trying very hard to balance and not to hurt Ruq's, so what he should be doing? Should he tell Ruq's that, I am sorry Ruq's, but I love Jodha, but your place will be intact in my life? Do you think Ruq will accept it and realise?


First and foremost, why should one sympathize with Rukks...she's getting what she gave to all other Begums...getting lost in oblivion without trace.

Seconldy, no other Begum of Jalal could gauge him...not even Rukks, she sure knew his calculations, that also to some extent..but she never understood him fully, otherwise she would have seen difference in Jalal's talks and actions...infact it was Jalal, who made her believe that only she understood him...of course he himself thought that at least as a friend to some extent she's within his wavelength...he'd not met any other women in his life who understood him even to an extent of Ruqaiya.

Also let's accept, Ruqaiya is and always was inept in understanding and handling emotional Jalal...she left him crying during BK's death cause she did not know what to do with this side of Jalal, how to console or handle him...and she ran away to control what she can, ie, Her harem
She can play games with Jalal, get physical in bed, can give some advise to him...but never complete him.
She is at fault, to not accept CHANGE in her own life, not only with regard to Jalal, but also her other relations, and in harem.

Why concentrate on Jodha? Before her came Salima Begum, and Jalal started to take advise from her also in important matters...but then she also can't give him things which pertains to matter of his heart. In fact Rukks was even miffed at that, and commented to Salima, that now Jalal values her and her advises a lot...

Then came Jodha...who challenged him, intrigued him, both mentally as well as emotionally...even during her "ghrina" phase she tried to understand him for what he did, why he did...questioned him, answered him...challenged him for his wrongs, making him startled, how she'd hit bull's eye...she advised him as a good minister, showed him mirror, stood beside him giving him much needed strength...had the audacity and courage to walk over him...show him her jealousy...and finally her love. Jodha also had the strength to take in his nafrat, his venom, his pain, his ignorance towards her, his care, concern, and his love. Jodha can handle an emotional Jalal...she tried in BB case, she did not run away, this was when she was not in love with him.

Ruqaiya can never take in Jalal's ignorance, hatred, pain...she'd not got that mental and emotional strength...

So, finally Jodha completed Jalal...she guaged him wholly, and most important she always tries to observe him, learn about him...this way their relationship can never stagnate...and Jalal is also with her on this..their wavelengths match cent-percent...they both are curious souls.

Ruqaiya had all things in her favour or stride to find about Jalal, what she did not know, she could have at least made an effort to know and recognize him emotionally...but she was under illusion that since they were childhood friends, she knew him and there was nothing more to know about him...and what she didn't know about him was not there in him, ie. his heart. And she moved to next priority in her life, her power and position..which ironically became her drug and topmost priority...may be she was fascinated by the way Jalal held command over his people being Shehanshaah, and since she could not become that, she fulfilled her desires of ruling, with her harem...in all this she failed to observe Jalal's lonely eyes, or better chose to ignore them.
There's difference between Man and women when it comes to relationship, and one can't sit and argue, that since Jalal also didn't try to love Ruqaiya, why she find his heart...such arguments spell doom for relationships.

Also its not only Ruqaiya who's going through the change, for Jalal also, life has changed and quite suddenly...at one time he'd BK and MA to trust and blindly so, next moment, he'd got no one...suddenly he's the sole Boy Emperor...whom should he cry and blame...One fine day he's feeling a tug and turmoil in an unknown organ of his body and no one is there to explain him, what's happening, not even his childhood friend is able to gauge him...he's left alone to unravel the mystery and he does, but his one Begum Jodha also helps in his this mission, and finds that he's got a beautiful heart inside him...Jalal always had a heart, and we knew that, but no, one told him this, not even Ruqaiya...next he finds out that he's lost that heart to his same, newest begum Jodha...now Ruqaiya wants his this side too...because she's his oldest wife and friend, so she thinks, this is her right and none else. 😕
Life evolves and changes come, but the way person handles those changes in life, etches one's personality and tests one's strength...Jalal even now values Ruqaiya as much, but it is her deeds which are becoming more than mischief and mistakes, that is somewhat deterring him, though not much, from her. yes, Jalal was also part of crime with Ruqaiya but he acknowledged later that he was wrong, and what sort of best friend Ruqaiya was, that she never went against him, if and when he was wrong...she only gets upset, angry at Jalal if she feels, she's being devalued...
Ruqaiya does have a conscience and we've seen it many times but now it is buried deep...may be the result of this FP fiasco can shake her up... Personally I never disliked her even when she plotted against Jodha...but the moment she hit her so called whole world and life Jalal, where it will hurt him the most...I shut her up, she's a nobody. Even putting oneself in her shoes can't bring out the reasoning of her this act 😕😡

Edited by mishtidoi - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: divyavm



Ruqs always thought she could only have Jalal's mind and focused on that; Jalal also never
liked empathy and emotional support before Jodha.

But it is true she did not adapt with changing times

Everyone has different way to express their emotions

What Ruqs is doing now is terrible, but that does not mean she was a terrible person


its not true tht jalal never liked emotional support. during BK case & BB case he took full emotional support from maham. its just tht he never acknowledged tht even he needs emotional support. ruku is not a terrible person for sure & she also cares for jalal, but prob is tht she never tried to understand jalal's point of views. she never tried to show tht empathy, which a wife always tries to give whether a husband wants or not. it was jalal who always went to her, tried to pacify her but she never came up to jalal.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: divyavm



Yahoo! After the SR news, I now trust you and your source ;)

Don't let that trust break now- LoL

😡😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: Gem12


Average Episode Divi...first
of all we must appreciate adham's plot...his brain started functioning..he
bribed khazi's soldiers and attacked Jalal and jodha..see now everyone il think
about khazi... but lets not worry soon we il see adham's end also...


Next Jodha Mansingh
conversation was good..this time jo wanted Mansingh to fight for jalal and
jalal wanted mansingh to fight coz they
attacked jo...kaisa ye ishq hai...


How rukku was happy
to see jalal in her room wen she saw jalal but her happiness lasted for a sec
when she saw jodha along with him...rukku is cursing jo for not leaving jalal
..but wat wud jo do if jalal is always chipkufying Jo and not ready to leave
her alone and even visits rukku only wen jo is thr...its really going to be
painfull for jalal once the truth is out..now he is imagining his future with
his kid and going too far ...he il realize that all the time he was talking to
rukku's virtual baby ...and he il be shattered..still rukku is not feeling guilty
..just worrying about her..even after talking to rukku's baby he eyes are set
on Jo only... and how he wanted to take Jo back along with him ..how rukku tried
to stop Jo but failed to stop her ..coz jalal wanted to discuss something
important with her..gud to see rukku's failure in keeping jolal away from each
other...


Coming to the precap


1)Must be rukku's
dream ..what if jalal comes to no about her fake pregnancy


2)What if its
another rukku's plot to come out of fake pregnancy..even wen Jo was being
framed hakim failed to diagnose Jo's preganancy..so rukku also applying same
methodology to come out of fake pregnancy so that no one il suspect her and she
can be out of this mess..coz she was worrying about her and this fake pregnancy
yesterday how come jalal il get clue about it..sounds something fishy..her
truth il be out in a dramatic way not like this inside four walls..again not
one two two hakims examined her and confirmed she is pregnant..first one was
bribed by rukku...second and expert hakim was cheated by rukku using a pregnant
bandi in her place...


3)As predicted by
ela jalal may get some hint which il make him to suspect about rukku's
pregnancy and then this il lead to pregnancy truth but some how rukku il escape
she was being framed she was not aware of this..and maham il do her parda phash
wen she is in danger...then jalal & Jo il remember everything and then jalal
il punish her..one thing is sure rukku's end is nearing ...may be in upcoming
week...




Gem, the episode truly saw progress on multiple dimensions.

Great point on how Jodha wanted Maan Singh to fight for Jalal and Jalal for Jodha

On Ruqs, I am hoping they take the simpler route and have Jalal find out she is not pregnant. Perhaps, he will think it is a false alarm but then Ruqs lie will be exposed later in a dramatic way.

I have been wrong before- but I don't know why the Hakim- Jalal conversation would happen in a dream.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#60

Originally posted by: munnirony

well jalal neither had hurt ruku nor jodha. he never did anything intentionally. whtever happened was circumstantial. we have to understand jalal's point of view as well. polygamy is not only difficult for a woman but also for a man. jalal cares for both & tries to balance things in his own way. ruku's place for jalal is still the same. but till now there was noone else in jalal's life who became equally imp. we may argue tht jalal should have made ruku sit & explain, but again jalal is also a young guy who is just learning these things. just like we expect jalal to balance things, similarly, its expected tht ruku should have openly talked about her jealousy & insecurities directly with jalal. just like jodha did. jalal always loves those people who directly comes up to him & shares their feelings. thts why jalal was closer to maham bcoz gud or bad, she had always approached jalal as a mother, & not a wazir-e-walia. even HB initially failed to do tht. she thought tht jalal is happy with maham, so she never interfered. from day one jalal is more closer to those people who comes up with their real feelings whether its love or hate. whether its abdul or the lil kids his love for them was always there bcoz of their honest confessions. ruku's approach should have been more direct & straight forward towards jalal.



Good points! Agreed Jalal ends up hurting people under circumstances- never intentionally.

Very nice observation on how he likes people Who come to him directly!

Ruqs should have come to him directly; so should have Jalal.

I loved them after Jalal's birthday after Ruqs was upset about him liking Jodha's gift more- Jalal openly admitted he found a new friend and she openly asked whether he will forget the old friend. But CVs have forgotten such mature conversations exist.

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