The most romantic battle I have ever seen! - Page 14

Originally posted by: skanda12

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Radhika:

Maddy will probably reply this later as you have addressed her on this post. But if you can forgive me for butting in I wanted to share my point of view on this very interesting debate.

See I disagreewith two sentences that you have written (but this is my personal way of thinking and I wouldn't try to impose my thinking of anyone else, so I respect your views on this even if I differ.)

1. I disagree with the sentence that "jodha, she will not yet show her fiery side to anyone outside her amer family and jalal. " I think every time she is assertive about causes close to her heart and she insists on following the path of what she knows to be right (even if she has to go against others to support the causes she believes in) it is a display of her fiery side. I personally do not think Jodha is different at homeand with Jalal, and different with others. In fact somehow I am seeing a lot of consistency in her whether she is with Jalal/family or with others. Whenever there is some topic that makes her want to support the cause of something she is equally assertive with Jalal or with the others.

2. Also I don't quite agree with the sentence "Self-respect should not be at the cost of caring for your husband or in-laws." I think self-respect isparamount for all other relationships to flower. Whether it is your family or with others , how you value yourself influences how they value you.

Its my belief that unless you know how to respect yourself, you won't really be able to respect others.

These are just my thoughts that I felt like sharing. Sorry again for buttin

g in.

Originally posted by: preetgurti

New article out ruq fake pregnancy is out infront of all

Originally posted by: skanda12

Do you mean the Tellybuzz article?

Originally posted by: skanda12

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Do you mean the Tellybuzz article?

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Mansi,

you are always welcome with your views. Both Maddy and I love your clear n balanced thinking. So pls do share ur views freely anytime.

Reg ur first point, perfect. Yes, when it's a cause she believes in, she is very passionate and can take on anyone. I missed this part. Thanx for correcting me. :) i was focussed on normal life. If it's not about any cause, then she won't fight with people over petty issues. That's what i meant. Like if she feels ruq is trying to put her down, she will not fight with her. But if she sees ruq putting down a downtrodden person, she will fight with her for that person's rights.

Once jalal had said this in his self talk that jodha always fought for others with him but not for herself.

She is beginning to assert herself in important issues but still not so in her personal matters. This will take a little more time i think. Till then, she, like jalal, is content to ignore small issues.

Reg 2nd point. Again the context of our views is different. What you say is true then and now. But what i meant is that a woman cannot hang on to her self respect at all times and under all situations. Like jodha has chosen to care for jalal's unborn child. How do we accept this? Some say she is behaving like a bandi to ruq and has no self respect.
I don't know ur views on this. I am sorry i haven't yet seen ur response to my comments from pg 13 onwards. :(

But i don't feel she has compromised on her self respect here. She has simply given greater weightage to jalal.

There is no doubt jodha respects herself. But if u see whenever jalal is involved, she gives more importance to him than to her own self. She underwent many humiliations for him and drank poison for him. Any simply self respecting woman would have packed her bags and gone off.

She values his relations more than her self. For instance, she keeps forgiving the ungrateful BB and still tries to be friends with her.

This was all i meant. A woman has the responsibility to create a home and maintain relations among everyone. She should value herself and also others.

If i have been disagreeable, pls do not mind. I apologize in advance. These are my personal views. And like you rightly said, i will not impose my views on anyone. :)

Your views as also Maddy's are also correct. There is scope for multiple views to be correct because life and relationships are subjective and open to interpretation. :)

Thanks for providing a platform to all of us to voice our opinions freely! :)

Originally posted by: skanda12

Radhika:

Maddy will probably reply this later as you have addressed her on this post. But if you can forgive me for butting in I wanted to share my point of view on this very interesting debate.

See I disagree with two sentences that you have written (but this is my personal way of thinking and I wouldn't try to impose my thinking of anyone else, so I respect your views on this even if I differ.)

1. I disagree with the sentence that "jodha, she will not yet show her fiery side to anyone outside her amer family and jalal. " I think every time she is assertive about causes close to her heart and she insists on following the path of what she knows to be right (even if she has to go against others to support the causes she believes in) it is a display of her fiery side. I personally do not think Jodha is different at homeand with Jalal, and different with others. In fact somehow I am seeing a lot of consistency in her whether she is with Jalal/family or with others. Whenever there is some topic that makes her want to support the cause of something she is equally assertive with Jalal or with the others. In fact I agree with Maddy that if she were more assertive about her own respect inside the family and outside, as she is about causes close to her heart it would be even better!

2. Also I don't quite agree with the sentence "Self-respect should not be at the cost of caring for your husband or in-laws." I think self-respect is paramount for all other relationships to flower. Whether it is your family or with others , how you value yourself influences how they value you.

Its my belief that unless you know how to respect yourself, you won't really be able to respect others.

These are just my thoughts that I felt like sharing. Sorry again for butting in.

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

very interesting debate i missed...first of all gr8 take Radhika... very well thought and perfectly said... and Maddy, Mansi... pl no offense... but Radhika's points make sense, as this is not 21st century but 16th century show shown in 21st century...

i won't say i agree or disagree to any points of u or Mansi or Maddy... all of u r right in ur own places... u know why, coz u r judging Jo with ur own self... u have her image in ur mind, and what u write is what u expect her to do in any particular situation ... may be somewhere at the back of ur mind , u think of urself handling that situation and then comparing it with Jo...and that's why ur thoughts r different than eachother...

now if i would say anything... then, i feel both of u radhika and Mansi, r right in ur own places abt Jo... same time u r wrong too... and even i may be wrong... still here is what i feel now abt Jo and her changed equations...

yes, we all want to see fiery Jo... but right now she will not come out more often... but by the end of this tracks, when Jo's position will be finalized as may be BEK or Jalal's most trusted person, and it would be officially announced in DEK (i m expecting it after Ruku and MA exposure, that Jalal will give Jo new identity with some special audha), then this fiery , prudent Jo will be shown more often in DEK or while taking some decisions as most imp queen of Jalal...

now remains her fiery side in harem... then by now, all have seen it... even Jalal is well aware of it... else he hadn't trusted her to fight the goons with him... and remains her position and her self respect, then caring or respecting someone doesn't make her look small or irrelavent...rather it makes her stand out from rest of the ppl, as Jalal or HB very much understand and appreciate her...

just look at Jalal... when on their WA, MA ignored Jo, Jalal didn't said a word... but he replies in action... he ignored MA , the same way she did with Jo... and it's said, actions speak louder than words...

even in today's episode, Ruku was too much rude to Jo... Jalal didn't said a word against it... but what he did... he praised Jo , even told clearly that he will take Jo everywhere with him, thus signifying Jo's importance in his life... what would have happened, if he has shouted on Ruku? war of words??? and ruku doing one more drama, and Jo blamed for that... but Jalal did something that put both his wives in their right places... he loves Jo dearly, and has started showing it openly , if not in words but in actions... and that hurts more...

and abt self respect, then a princess now a queen of a biggest kingdom will always put her husband and his well being ahead of her self respect... coz his respect and he himself will always be above for her that anything else, now when she has accepted him as her husband in every sense...

had it been earlier Jo, she would have fought for her self respect more that anything else... but not this Jo... coz if she lets her self respect come before her relationship with Jalal, then she knows he will go away from her back to his lonely mode, which will then be impossible to break... that will make her look like one from rest of the women around him , and that won't be good for their relationship or for his trust in her...

Jo will show him her fire, her self respect, but only when they will be alone... in front of rest of the world , his needs, his respect, his position will come first for her, than anything else... Coz THAT'S WHAT JODHA IS...

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Diksha you are talking about Jodha and Jalal and I was talking about Jodha and Rukayya! 😆

Totally different. Jodha is still very frank with Jalal and she does stand for her self respect.

It is with Rukayya that Jodha does not stand for her self respect. Again please do not confuse special circumstances with day to day life. Saying Jodha should sacrifice her self respect in Ben matter when it was matter of Jalal's life or now when Jodha thinks Rukayya is pregnant is different than just letting Rukayya insult Jodha anytime at all is different!

I am sorry but I do not agree.

Jalal is not standing upto Ruk and that is the ONLY reason Ruk thinks she can do anything - tell however big a lie he will believe blindly.

Jodha should stand for self respect - cos so what if Ruk is pregnant - she is not terminally ill and pregnant women are known to not just lie around all day! Letting Ruk treat her this way for her health or for the sake of Jala's baby does NOT mean Jodha lets Ruk shout on her and insult her. Taking care of someone does not mean letting them insult you! There is a difference.

I am waiting for the day when Jodha will tell Rukayya to STAY OUT OF HER AND JALAL'S MARRIAGE.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Diksha you are talking about Jodha and Jalal and I was talking about Jodha and Rukayya! 😆

Totally different. Jodha is still very frank with Jalal and she does stand for her self respect.

It is with Rukayya that Jodha does not stand for her self respect. Again please do not confuse special circumstances with day to day life. Saying Jodha should sacrifice her self respect in Ben matter when it was matter of Jalal's life or now when Jodha thinks Rukayya is pregnant is different than just letting Rukayya insult Jodha anytime at all is different!

I am sorry but I do not agree.

Jalal is not standing upto Ruk and that is the ONLY reason Ruk thinks she can do anything - tell however big a lie he will believe blindly.

Jodha should stand for self respect - cos so what if Ruk is pregnant - she is not terminally ill and pregnant women are known to not just lie around all day! Letting Ruk treat her this way for her health or for the sake of Jala's baby does NOT mean Jodha lets Ruk shout on her and insult her. Taking care of someone does not mean letting them insult you! There is a difference.

I am waiting for the day when Jodha will tell Rukayya to STAY OUT OF HER AND JALAL'S MARRIAGE.