Jalal is in Amer - but things are a bit over the top! - Page 14

Originally posted by: Cleo12345

Originally posted by: history_geek

^^^^
Superb Posts.

I would add my two cents here.
It is based on what understanding i have developed of JJ emotions by now.

It may appear i am venting😉but am not. I could not pick a better post by you and sun here.
So, choosing these 4 posts above to launch myself.

So, here i go..😆..>>>>>

Just based on 1 scene before her father in 1 single episode yesterday, i would NOT consider that she is heartless. Her heart beats as much for Jalal as his heart beats for Jodha.

Only Her mind is in a state of denial NOT her HEART and NOT her SOUL. If Denial has the power of creating the illusion of non-existence(in this case non-existence of Love.), then it also brings forth the pilfering breaths of one's soul (don't we all experience this.?. Is it so tough to decipher and feel it, that we all want a VERBAL and CLEAR demonstration of EACH and Everything ?. ). Jodha has experienced this and EVEN yesterday she experienced - Why she feels he is everywhere.?. Why she has a pre-monition if some evil befalls him .?. What is that strange connection which binds both of them.?. Does this show she is heartless?. Does this shows she is feelingless.?. Isn't there some Eternal connect.?.

You know what friends.. When someone means nothing to you, there is surely NOTHING at all. But, when even that person's activities / mood start affecting you it means a LOT. (Remember when Jalal announced to spend that night with Ruqs when he was angry with Jodha, what was her state that night.?.)

Yes, I can see the pain Jalal has. I can see What has Love made him. Yes, i can see Here we have the same Shehanshah who believed in winning by sheer brute of force, but what has happened to him NOW. Yes, i can see what happens when someone falls in LOVE. Yes, i know deep inside his heart cries. Yes, i know this WAS the same MAN who accepted everything BUT Mohabbat and Dil. Does the story ends here.?. No, it has started. Come to the other side of the coin.

Here, we have Jodha who accepted her LOVE for him before those 11 minutes of confrontation / accusation / conversation (whatever anyone calls it) shattered her that night. What do we do when so many people hurt us(even her own family for Jodha) and there is that one person whom we want to trust/open up but we can't.?. There is NO Sujamal fiasco in sight NOW. (So, don't make mountain of a mole hill by including it.) Presently, it's all about Trust for No Love happens without trust. Love and doubt have never been on speaking terms, and never will be. Our heart is a strange container, i tell you. Love and hatred can exist side by side in it, but NOT Love and Doubt. Love is weak when there is more doubt than there is trust, but love is most strong when you learn to trust even with all the doubts. She had given the PROOF and i say the MOST CONCRETE PROOF about her LOYALTY during that Vishpaan. But, wait, that was NOT Love as we say. Gratitude / Responsibility is not love. Don't mix the two because they are not the same. It is difficult to know at what moment love begins; BUT it is MORE difficult to ACCEPT that it has begun. This is all about Jodha's journey. She was the one who made Jalal know that he has a heart and she is the ONE who needs him the MOST at this crucial junction of her life. Just by what happened yesterday, ONE and ALL(i mean many) failed to notice her journey, and arrived on all sort of conclusions. I tried to be as Long sighted as possible and tried to sum up her feelings the moment she starting feeling for him, and i differ from anyone who feels Jodha is STILL away from Jalal or they BOTH are still 2 different entities. Her intellect may be confused(i mentioned her state of denial above), but her emotions HAVE never lied to her.

Sometimes we just feel everything and nothing all at once. Sometimes we'll find ourselves smiling while missing something at the same time. At times we can absolutely love a person, BUT all the while wanting😉 to hate him. Life and Feelings are So strange. She is in Love but not able to accept it. 😉 Rumi Sahab has written -> " Love comes to a person at own accord, and the yearning for it cannot be learned in any school. Your task is not to seek JUST love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. "

I won't make any strong conclusion just on basis on 1 single action. (which also can be interpreted positively ). I am sure we are going to get our answers SOON.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Ok this is from Kshithi - her laptop is gone for repairs - she read posts from mobile

Superb posts by mansi, radhika, ayushi and all. And please tell Sun that her post was 'sarcasm at its best'. BTW Kshithi loved my post too! 😆

Originally posted by: sun29

It was a beautiful Sunday morning,Jalal was walking around aimlessly...he wanted to spend it with his khaas people but ruqaiyya was busy solving a tiff involving nadira beghum and the cook...badi ammi was busy digging a new tunnel from his room to some cave in jungle,she told him she had taken a mannat for his safety and hence the tunnel..he was so moved and touched...even now he had tears in his eyes thinking how much badi ammi loved him...awww ,even atgah saab was busy has he had decided to take his wife for a picnic and salima beghum was busy with rahim...so he was wondering what to do that he suddenly saw jodha..and then it hit him..but ofcourse..since it is a Sunday and i am free why not take this time and fall in love with Jodha...ohh yes what an absolute utilization of my time,he thinks...

and thus the love story began...he fell in love coz he wanted to and he still loves her coz this is what he wants to do in free time and ofcourse jodha has no contribution in his falling for her...coz how can any sane man fall for such inhuman,selfish,arrogant ,insensitive girl like jodha

Mansi yaar how can anyone defend Jodha..did you see the way she was standing yesterday..on her two legs with hands on her side and a head on her shoulders...it clearly shows she absolutely does not have any feelings for Jalal but did you see how he was standing ,it only spoke of love..goshh heartless girl!!!...also the tears earlier she shed..compare it with Jalal's tears or for that matter MA ka or ruqaiyya ka tear...you will see hers does not even fall off her cheek whereas when others cry it soaks their dupatta and jama...true love is what the other two feel for him...if you do not believe me see the next time she cries...

ofcourse Jalal unleashed at Jo ,had every right to be mad at her and then when he realized his mistake he repented wanting to apologize...but Jodha how dare she takes so much time for realizing...how dare she gets hurt,she committed a grave mistake hence no right at all to get hurt..how dare she walks out after being told to and how dare she does not fall on his feet the moment he apologized...how dare she makes this mighty Emperor into a lover boy and how dare she does not every second of the day prove to us her superficial love...chiii

and her parents ..gosh what amazing in laws does Jalal have...they can see through his pain ,his hurt ,his love ..wow

and thier own daughter ..what is the need to ask her even once what happened to her ,why is she so hurt ,...what is the need to offer her a shoulder to cry out her heart ...but where does she have a heart or emotions na that her own parents can see things beyond the so called ego as termed

and i hate Jalal for still loving this woman,i hate him even more coz he is the only one who understands her at present and i detest him for trying to pacify her ,and i loathe him for crying in her separation ,wanting to meet her and hook or crook wanting to win back her love...chiii does this woman deserve it ???chiii

if he is half the man we saw in the initial episode..he will walk out and away from the one woman who stood against the world and even him to save his life,who gave her life for him ,who found his heart for her ,who made him fall in love,who made him understand love and who made him realize he is not alone ,a girl who hated him but was the most loyal to him ,who respected every relation dear to him and stood by those too...yes he should walk out and why you ask??? because she dared walk out on him and inspite of his apology refuses to relent...enough for him to dump her and walk away i say...

and who cares if he cannot survive without her ,cannot ever not love her ,will suffer throughout..but since she is not PERFECT.. she does not deserve his love coz he is PERFECTION...

i tell you mansi...if you do not believe me...remove their hearts and measure on that tarazuu..you ill see that Jodha's shallow heart will not move the balance an inch but Jalal's will be so weighed by his love that it will pierce the ground and go beyond

and i can keep on stating reason after reason ,but hope you get the gist...there is nothing to sympathize with her or feel for her...she errs ,she is flawed..enough to be unworthy of any love or feelings...

PS: not a feminist but a humanist...if i could never ignore Jalal's pain ,hurt inspite of his flaws and mistakes...i cannot measure jodha with a different yardstick just because she does not scream,shout or voice her pain ,hurt or heartbreak and makes mistakes

a relationship is between two very different and flawed people who spend their life trying to achieve perfection and understanding

age and experience makes one wise...both of them are naive and young and entitled to their own flaws and mistakes...but we are not flawless enough to crucify or judge them ...

see her as a human not by your standards but just as a human

Originally posted by: history_geek

^^^^
Superb Posts.

I would add my two cents here.
It is based on what understanding i have developed of JJ emotions by now.

It may appear i am venting😉but am not. I could not pick a better post by you and sun here.
So, choosing these 4 posts above to launch myself.

So, here i go..😆..>>>>>

Just based on 1 scene before her father in 1 single episode yesterday, i would NOT consider that she is heartless. Her heart beats as much for Jalal as his heart beats for Jodha.

Only Her mind is in a state of denial NOT her HEART and NOT her SOUL. If Denial has the power of creating the illusion of non-existence(in this case non-existence of Love.), then it also brings forth the pilfering breaths of one's soul (don't we all experience this.?. Is it so tough to decipher and feel it, that we all want a VERBAL and CLEAR demonstration of EACH and Everything ?. ). Jodha has experienced this and EVEN yesterday she experienced - Why she feels he is everywhere.?. Why she has a pre-monition if some evil befalls him .?. What is that strange connection which binds both of them.?. Does this show she is heartless?. Does this shows she is feelingless.?. Isn't there some Eternal connect.?.

You know what friends.. When someone means nothing to you, there is surely NOTHING at all. But, when even that person's activities / mood start affecting you it means a LOT. (Remember when Jalal announced to spend that night with Ruqs when he was angry with Jodha, what was her state that night.?.)

Yes, I can see the pain Jalal has. I can see What has Love made him. Yes, i can see Here we have the same Shehanshah who believed in winning by sheer brute of force, but what has happened to him NOW. Yes, i can see what happens when someone falls in LOVE. Yes, i know deep inside his heart cries. Yes, i know this WAS the same MAN who accepted everything BUT Mohabbat and Dil. Does the story ends here.?. No, it has started. Come to the other side of the coin.

Here, we have Jodha who accepted her LOVE for him before those 11 minutes of confrontation / accusation / conversation (whatever anyone calls it) shattered her that night. What do we do when so many people hurt us(even her own family for Jodha) and there is that one person whom we want to trust/open up but we can't.?. There is NO Sujamal fiasco in sight NOW. (So, don't make mountain of a mole hill by including it.) Presently, it's all about Trust for No Love happens without trust. Love and doubt have never been on speaking terms, and never will be. Our heart is a strange container, i tell you. Love and hatred can exist side by side in it, but NOT Love and Doubt. Love is weak when there is more doubt than there is trust, but love is most strong when you learn to trust even with all the doubts. She had given the PROOF and i say the MOST CONCRETE PROOF about her LOYALTY during that Vishpaan. But, wait, that was NOT Love as we say. Gratitude / Responsibility is not love. Don't mix the two because they are not the same. It is difficult to know at what moment love begins; BUT it is MORE difficult to ACCEPT that it has begun. This is all about Jodha's journey. She was the one who made Jalal know that he has a heart and she is the ONE who needs him the MOST at this crucial junction of her life. Just by what happened yesterday, ONE and ALL(i mean many) failed to notice her journey, and arrived on all sort of conclusions. I tried to be as Long sighted as possible and tried to sum up her feelings the moment she starting feeling for him, and i differ from anyone who feels Jodha is STILL away from Jalal or they BOTH are still 2 different entities. Her intellect may be confused(i mentioned her state of denial above), but her emotions HAVE never lied to her.

Sometimes we just feel everything and nothing all at once. Sometimes we'll find ourselves smiling while missing something at the same time. At times we can absolutely love a person, BUT all the while wanting😉 to hate him. Life and Feelings are So strange. She is in Love but not able to accept it. 😉 Rumi Sahab has written -> " Love comes to a person at own accord, and the yearning for it cannot be learned in any school. Your task is not to seek JUST love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. "

I won't make any strong conclusion just on basis on 1 single action. (which also can be interpreted positively ). I am sure we are going to get our answers SOON.

Originally posted by: history_geek

^^^^
Superb Posts.

I would add my two cents here.
It is based on what understanding i have developed of JJ emotions by now.

It may appear i am venting😉but am not. I could not pick a better post by you and sun here.
So, choosing these 4 posts above to launch myself.

So, here i go..😆..>>>>>

Just based on 1 scene before her father in 1 single episode yesterday, i would NOT consider that she is heartless. Her heart beats as much for Jalal as his heart beats for Jodha.

Only Her mind is in a state of denial NOT her HEART and NOT her SOUL. If Denial has the power of creating the illusion of non-existence(in this case non-existence of Love.), then it also brings forth the pilfering breaths of one's soul (don't we all experience this.?. Is it so tough to decipher and feel it, that we all want a VERBAL and CLEAR demonstration of EACH and Everything ?. ). Jodha has experienced this and EVEN yesterday she experienced - Why she feels he is everywhere.?. Why she has a pre-monition if some evil befalls him .?. What is that strange connection which binds both of them.?. Does this show she is heartless?. Does this shows she is feelingless.?. Isn't there some Eternal connect.?.

You know what friends.. When someone means nothing to you, there is surely NOTHING at all. But, when even that person's activities / mood start affecting you it means a LOT. (Remember when Jalal announced to spend that night with Ruqs when he was angry with Jodha, what was her state that night.?.)

Yes, I can see the pain Jalal has. I can see What has Love made him. Yes, i can see Here we have the same Shehanshah who believed in winning by sheer brute of force, but what has happened to him NOW. Yes, i can see what happens when someone falls in LOVE. Yes, i know deep inside his heart cries. Yes, i know this WAS the same MAN who accepted everything BUT Mohabbat and Dil. Does the story ends here.?. No, it has started. Come to the other side of the coin.

Here, we have Jodha who accepted her LOVE for him before those 11 minutes of confrontation / accusation / conversation (whatever anyone calls it) shattered her that night. What do we do when so many people hurt us(even her own family for Jodha) and there is that one person whom we want to trust/open up but we can't.?. There is NO Sujamal fiasco in sight NOW. (So, don't make mountain of a mole hill by including it.) Presently, it's all about Trust for No Love happens without trust. Love and doubt have never been on speaking terms, and never will be. Our heart is a strange container, i tell you. Love and hatred can exist side by side in it, but NOT Love and Doubt. Love is weak when there is more doubt than there is trust, but love is most strong when you learn to trust even with all the doubts. She had given the PROOF and i say the MOST CONCRETE PROOF about her LOYALTY during that Vishpaan. But, wait, that was NOT Love as we say. Gratitude / Responsibility is not love. Don't mix the two because they are not the same. It is difficult to know at what moment love begins; BUT it is MORE difficult to ACCEPT that it has begun. This is all about Jodha's journey. She was the one who made Jalal know that he has a heart and she is the ONE who needs him the MOST at this crucial junction of her life. Just by what happened yesterday, ONE and ALL(i mean many) failed to notice her journey, and arrived on all sort of conclusions. I tried to be as Long sighted as possible and tried to sum up her feelings the moment she starting feeling for him, and i differ from anyone who feels Jodha is STILL away from Jalal or they BOTH are still 2 different entities. Her intellect may be confused(i mentioned her state of denial above), but her emotions HAVE never lied to her.

Sometimes we just feel everything and nothing all at once. Sometimes we'll find ourselves smiling while missing something at the same time. At times we can absolutely love a person, BUT all the while wanting😉 to hate him. Life and Feelings are So strange. She is in Love but not able to accept it. 😉 Rumi Sahab has written -> " Love comes to a person at own accord, and the yearning for it cannot be learned in any school. Your task is not to seek JUST love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. "

I won't make any strong conclusion just on basis on 1 single action. (which also can be interpreted positively ). I am sure we are going to get our answers SOON.

Originally posted by: deejagi

@ Sunny, Mansi & Abhay: One thing we need to accept first that whatever Jodha did or said yesterday while talking her father was the very same thing we would have (any one of us) done if we were in that situation. At the same time what ever Raja Bharamal did or said is the precise words my father would have said if I would have acted stubborn. so is Mainavati's case. How can we say they understood Jalal's pain and their daughter's. Never, parents are the first people to understand our pains even before we feel it. So let us not blame Jodha's parents just because they stressed some words while talking to her and make her understand the reality of life. Solets talk one by one.

Jodha: All of us are making circles on those 11 minutes monologue of Jalal and not stopped blaming him for those words. If we ourselves can't forget those words having known the situation in which he said those words and the aftermath results he is facing, how do we expect her to forget them altogether and rush to him immediately or the moment she heard he is hurt. Guys if he can fake his death to get her in front of him, why can't he fake an injury to get entry to maternal house? So how can she readily believe he is really sick? Then comes her father who gave her theconfidence that she can stay away from Jalal and gave him the entry to her own room not later than few hours of her entry to the palace, what can she think other than betrayal that her father had lied to her but brought her husband along with so that he can send her back to Amer. At this moment, she is in confused state. She knows she loves him but also shocked at her love as she thinks how can she love him when he had not trusted her and blamed her.

Jalal: Yes he said those words because throughout his life, he has not seen the trust in anyone. True he believed in her and waited for her to reveal her truth but if things repeats on their own without result, then one starts to think the lie as truth. (Just sit in a corner and start telling others that you have headache, how misserable are feeling. believe me whatever you started as an act will become the reality within next few minutes, because along with others, even out own mind will believe in our own words and we will end up with severe hedaache). That is what happend to Jalal, he kept saying to himself that no, Jodha can't be wrong, she will not do anything wrong and end up with easy mathematics as 2 + 2 = 4 the moment he saw Sujamal with her. How can he not believe in what he saw, (Sorry If I sound harsh here) when he had faced the same DOKHA earlier by one of his own wife who cheated him by having an affair with someone else and she even dared to call that child as Jalal's. Guys it is situation which makes us to say something and that is what we call unfiltered words). If we say he said those words so he is unpardonable, then please remeber, did she, Jodha didn't said on his face in the open DEK during Jashn, that he doesn't even spare Daasis when he sets his mind on them. Was it with good intentions?

Bharamal: Is one such person who hsa to walk on a tight rope over the burning coal. Even one mis calculated step can cause damage. He is a father, father in law, a king and also a Mansabdhar and he needs to shoulder all the responsibilities and manage them without faulting. Whether it is Jalal's mistake or Jodha's mistake, if he supports anyone and leave the other, then he is sure certain that their relation will get spoiled and irreparable. So he needs to console his daughter and also should take care of his SIL as that poor fellow doesn't have a father to rush to get a warm hug. So he had to give entry to Jalal and how can he make a separate accommodation arrangement when his daughter is around and when he wants everything between Jodha and Jalal to be sorted out. he also needs to take care of his emperor as he is a mansabdhar of Mughal Sultanate.

Mainavati: When she has seen her daughter's dedication and love for her husband when Jodha repaired the necklace and wore it, how she prayed for Jalal's safety closing her eyes in front a mirror, wont she think of ways to set her daughter's life? then is chose reverse psychology to help her daughter to understand her priority what is wrong.

So guys, both of them still needs some more time to understand each other and for that they need to stop thinking of themselves and have start thinking for the other. Only then they will realize where they went wrong. Till such time Jalal needs to get some ignorance, so that he can realize her problems and Jodha needs to get some more reverse Psyco treatment (not just from her mother but even from her Granny and if possible Jalal on insistence of either BM or dadi.

They love each other but don't know how to express it to the other and hence they are using teh snail technology. The moment their love is exposed a bit, they will withdraw it to the cocoon of their heart and nurture it their waiting for the other to reach it. It takes some time. When it takes time for a normal married couple to get adjusted to each other, this special couple requires much more time.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay, I think you have finally found a GF and discovered love. And if you haven't done so, then you should forthwith seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.

Is it really possible for a young man to understand a woman's state of mind so easily when greater men have admitted that it's not an easy task and even many women fail to understand a woman. I don't even have words to praise your post. So I am not even attempting. 😆 I just want you to thank your mom on my behalf for making you so sensitive to a woman and her turmoil. And I hope when my son grows up, he will be just as sensitive to women.

Originally posted by: deejagi

@ Sunny, Mansi & Abhay: One thing we need to accept first that whatever Jodha did or said yesterday while talking her father was the very same thing we would have (any one of us) done if we were in that situation. At the same time what ever Raja Bharamal did or said is the precise words my father would have said if I would have acted stubborn. so is Mainavati's case. How can we say they understood Jalal's pain and their daughter's. Never, parents are the first people to understand our pains even before we feel it. So let us not blame Jodha's parents just because they stressed some words while talking to her and make her understand the reality of life. Solets talk one by one.

Jodha: All of us are making circles on those 11 minutes monologue of Jalal and not stopped blaming him for those words. If we ourselves can't forget those words having known the situation in which he said those words and the aftermath results he is facing, how do we expect her to forget them altogether and rush to him immediately or the moment she heard he is hurt. Guys if he can fake his death to get her in front of him, why can't he fake an injury to get entry to maternal house? So how can she readily believe he is really sick? Then comes her father who gave her theconfidence that she can stay away from Jalal and gave him the entry to her own room not later than few hours of her entry to the palace, what can she think other than betrayal that her father had lied to her but brought her husband along with so that he can send her back to Amer. At this moment, she is in confused state. She knows she loves him but also shocked at her love as she thinks how can she love him when he had not trusted her and blamed her.

Jalal: Yes he said those words because throughout his life, he has not seen the trust in anyone. True he believed in her and waited for her to reveal her truth but if things repeats on their own without result, then one starts to think the lie as truth. (Just sit in a corner and start telling others that you have headache, how misserable are feeling. believe me whatever you started as an act will become the reality within next few minutes, because along with others, even out own mind will believe in our own words and we will end up with severe hedaache). That is what happend to Jalal, he kept saying to himself that no, Jodha can't be wrong, she will not do anything wrong and end up with easy mathematics as 2 + 2 = 4 the moment he saw Sujamal with her. How can he not believe in what he saw, (Sorry If I sound harsh here) when he had faced the same DOKHA earlier by one of his own wife who cheated him by having an affair with someone else and she even dared to call that child as Jalal's. Guys it is situation which makes us to say something and that is what we call unfiltered words). If we say he said those words so he is unpardonable, then please remeber, did she, Jodha didn't said on his face in the open DEK during Jashn, that he doesn't even spare Daasis when he sets his mind on them. Was it with good intentions?

Bharamal: Is one such person who hsa to walk on a tight rope over the burning coal. Even one mis calculated step can cause damage. He is a father, father in law, a king and also a Mansabdhar and he needs to shoulder all the responsibilities and manage them without faulting. Whether it is Jalal's mistake or Jodha's mistake, if he supports anyone and leave the other, then he is sure certain that their relation will get spoiled and irreparable. So he needs to console his daughter and also should take care of his SIL as that poor fellow doesn't have a father to rush to get a warm hug. So he had to give entry to Jalal and how can he make a separate accommodation arrangement when his daughter is around and when he wants everything between Jodha and Jalal to be sorted out. he also needs to take care of his emperor as he is a mansabdhar of Mughal Sultanate.

Mainavati: When she has seen her daughter's dedication and love for her husband when Jodha repaired the necklace and wore it, how she prayed for Jalal's safety closing her eyes in front a mirror, wont she think of ways to set her daughter's life? then is chose reverse psychology to help her daughter to understand her priority what is wrong.

So guys, both of them still needs some more time to understand each other and for that they need to stop thinking of themselves and have start thinking for the other. Only then they will realize where they went wrong. Till such time Jalal needs to get some ignorance, so that he can realize her problems and Jodha needs to get some more reverse Psyco treatment (not just from her mother but even from her Granny and if possible Jalal on insistence of either BM or dadi.

They love each other but don't know how to express it to the other and hence they are using teh snail technology. The moment their love is exposed a bit, they will withdraw it to the cocoon of their heart and nurture it their waiting for the other to reach it. It takes some time. When it takes time for a normal married couple to get adjusted to each other, this special couple requires much more time.