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Abhay

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Posted: 11 years ago

#11

Hi Radhika.

Awesome Post...!!!...Well written..!..

Running short of time. So, i am posting my comment from Mansi's thread, today. 😊

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Jalal was perfect yesterday. His talk made it clear that how well he understands the meaning of someone's 'mohobbat'. And, as Kshiti said i am in agreement with her thoughts. Jodha's 'hitchkichahat' and 'restlessness' depicted a lot of her plight. When she hid behind the tree, her emotions were quite visible. For a moment, her emotions overcame her ''mind's resolve'', and she ran towards Jalal for giving 'sahara'., but stopped seeing him in safe company of TodarMal. I remember one line from your writeup yesterday, or someone else wrote this - Jodha has made up her mind quite strong now to NOT fall again for 'moh' as she has faced a brutal accusation due to this, and now she refuses to start from 'normality' again. This TIME she, is ready to burn herself BUT NOT fall so easily. Both are torn souls.

Exactly, similar dialogue on 'moh' was heard yesterday from her that she once again' does not wants to get in that ''world''. And, Jalal will now require to make her come back and revive her feelings. It is he, who has to assure her in every possible means. That 'N. Rishta' is very much in her heart.!!!. No matter what, this ''second time'' question on her character was not acceptable to her, even after proving herself in that Ben track. Lets see how these 2 Birds meet again and resolve their differences. Jalal has acknowledged what wrong he did. Now he needs to clear issues with her.

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BTW, just follow the above link and continue till next 2-3 pages, on that thread. You'll get NICE views. 😊
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RadhikaS0

@RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: luvbarun4ever
Wonderful explanation to Jodha's POV. You answered some of my questions. I agreed with her inner turmoil and her hesitancy to go back to Agra.
Buti onl wonder how can she happily play holy the very next day, when he is around. I am not expecting her to cry all day, but sadness or pain in her is missing.
How would you explain that?

My husband said, well she wanted to play for shenaaz not for herself. she might have dragged her in to it. But still, sooo cheerful?

Thank you, my dear! BTW, what's your name?

You have said what I was also feeling. It's not like Jodha to be playing Holi so cheerfully. I also satisfied myself thinking Shehnaz may have dragged her into it.

There are 2 things here. One is her cheerfulness. Secondly, how can she play so openly knowing Jalal is around and may see her.

So I feel this may be a dream. I read somewhere that even Jalal's death is a dream of Jodha. Let's see. 😊

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Tenzin

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Posted: 11 years ago

#13

What a refreshing and demonstrating post Radhika dear 👏👏⭐️ Sorry for late commenting ! Reason of Jodhaa's acts , uncertitude , dilemma and turmoil are very well explained , he really expanded the limit of hurting and insulting her self-esteem , I am saying it as being someone who loves , valorizes and accord lots of importance to it above everything , it's more important than life for me , for me self esteem is our soul , our central main thing of being a human being , it represents our exterior and inside , it's where we carry all our honour , dignity , pride and self respect , hurting it is like uprooting us from our own being , our identity , we're no more the one we used to be , despite of living inside we're lifeless , the one who insulted us has snatched everything , that's in a short resumed what really means hurting and insulting our self esteem for me and you have neatly described it ! Your opinions over the spoiler and the recent promo is quite standable with correct arguments but still I am not really fan of all this nautanki , I hope it won't happen as per the spoiler , I really hope it's Jodhaa's dream because I am not really fond of all this NAUTANKI if it really going to happen then , for me it isn't the EPIC LOVE SAGA , whether , Jalal has really hurted Jodhaa for which he must ask for pardon and this forgiveness he isn't going to get it that swiftly , I am OK with all this but I don't want any DRAMA or NAUTANKI to force Jodhaa to acknowledge him as her husband and as the man she loves , CONFESSION and LOVE aren't defined by FORCE , PRESSURIZING or DRAMA , it's a pure , natural and own sentiments of REALIZATION , and those feelings shoulbe be felt FREELY in LIBERTY , not any PRESSURE of dilemma , circumstances or events ! Keep pming me as always Radhi , wonderful post once again !

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RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: tamy267
wonderful post!❤️
u know Radhika every time there is a MU between JaJo, the first ever voiceover starts playing on my mind, "Jalal aur Jodha ki prem kahaani shamesher ki dhaar par chali, par payal ki jhankaar bhi naa bhooli"
so their love story has every type of utar chadhavs!

if one is faltering, other one is to hold...that's how soul-mates complete each other.

Yes, Jodha's current behavior is disappointing me..but she is a human..to err is human..Jalal does mistakes, doesn't he? but he has the goodness to accept and apologize..Jodha is the same..Agra chodke jaane ka decision is justified..her turmoil is very well seen yesterday..she is fighting against her heart..she is a Rajvanshi woman..we cannot forget that..no matter how much she loves Jalal, those accusations did deeply hurt her..inspite of trying hard, she is not able to forget it.
but only thing that is bothering me she is still not accepting she was at fault too! she kept silent inspite of asking her million times..she didnt need to break the vacchan, could have hinted him she is compelled to keep mum..I am sure Jalal would have understood.

I don't want to travel down this road again. 😃 I am only looking forward now.

now she is running away from Jalal..she could see very well the man is repenting and has arrived in Mathura only for her..so instead of running away, she should confront him..whatever the decision of her is, she must convey to him.

First, she has to overcome her inner conflict and come to a decision. Only then can she convey that decision to Jalal.

having said it, we cannot expect one to behave the way we want..its easy to criticize..we never think what would we have done had we been at Jodha's place...we cannot understand her pain as we r not going through the same.

Tamy, all i can say is that I would have behaved in the same way as Jodha is behaving throughout the track. 😊

another thing I like to say, pyaar insaan ko kabhi kabhi bahut kamzor bana deta hai..whereas it should be the opposite..both JaJo have become very weak now..they should transmit strength to each other.

Why do you feel they are weak? I feel they are stronger today than they were ever before. Look at Jalal. He has the strength of mind to search for her in the face of so many odds and in the likelihood of being jeered at by his people. Not to mention the security threats to his life. Look at Jodha. In a similar situation last year, she had attempted suicide. Now she is stronger. In spite of her turmoil, she is holding herself together and is trying to make a life for herself on her own terms. And when she goes back to Jalal, she will do so on her own terms and not because her husband or king is asking her to return or even because he is repenting. Jodha doesn't need his apology. She only needs a confirmation of his unshakeable faith in her.

khair, I am for JaJo and their love..they will make mistakes and that is how their love will be more stronger❤️

True 👏

Hi Tamy,

I always love to hear from you. Thanks so much for liking my post and for being so clear about your views. 😊

Tamy, I would like you to see this post of mine and comment:

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3992807

Thanks!

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RadhikaS0

@RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: history_geek
Hi Radhika.

Awesome Post...!!!...Well written..!..

Running short of time. So, i am posting my comment from Mansi's thread, today. 😊

**************************************************

Jalal was perfect yesterday. His talk made it clear that how well he understands the meaning of someone's 'mohobbat'. And, as Kshiti said i am in agreement with her thoughts. Jodha's 'hitchkichahat' and 'restlessness' depicted a lot of her plight. When she hid behind the tree, her emotions were quite visible. For a moment, her emotions overcame her ''mind's resolve'', and she ran towards Jalal for giving 'sahara'., but stopped seeing him in safe company of TodarMal. I remember one line from your writeup yesterday, or someone else wrote this - Jodha has made up her mind quite strong now to NOT fall again for 'moh' as she has faced a brutal accusation due to this, and now she refuses to start from 'normality' again. This TIME she, is ready to burn herself BUT NOT fall so easily. Both are torn souls.

Exactly, similar dialogue on 'moh' was heard yesterday from her that she once again' does not wants to get in that ''world''. And, Jalal will now require to make her come back and revive her feelings. It is he, who has to assure her in every possible means. That 'N. Rishta' is very much in her heart.!!!. No matter what, this ''second time'' question on her character was not acceptable to her, even after proving herself in that Ben track. Lets see how these 2 Birds meet again and resolve their differences. Jalal has acknowledged what wrong he did. Now he needs to clear issues with her.

Link:: 104952943

**************************************************

BTW, just follow the above link and continue till next 2-3 pages, on that thread. You'll get NICE views. 😊
Here's link of another comment: (Can't copy that here.😃) --> 104958810

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Will post more later, if i get back SOON .!.

Thanks, Abhay! Always love your thoughts and support. Will check the links you sent, maybe tonite? try to get back soon. and PM. 😊

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Mihrimah Ahmed

@ShadeOfWhite

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Posted: 11 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Tamy,

I always love to hear from you. Thanks so much for liking my post and for being so clear about your views. 😊

my pleasure sweeite😊

Tamy, I would like you to see this post of mine and comment:

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3992807

this is the same thread😆

Thanks!

you're welcome😊

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RadhikaS0

@RadhikaS0

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 11 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: sweetystubborn
What a refreshing and demonstrating post Radhika dear 👏👏⭐️ Sorry for late commenting ! Reason of Jodhaa's acts , uncertitude , dilemma and turmoil are very well explained , he really expanded the limit of hurting and insulting her self-esteem , I am saying it as being someone who loves , valorizes and accord lots of importance to it above everything , it's more important than life for me , for me self esteem is our soul , our central main thing of being a human being , it represents our exterior and inside , it's where we carry all our honour , dignity , pride and self respect , hurting it is like uprooting us from our own being , our identity , we're no more the one we used to be , despite of living inside we're lifeless , the one who insulted us has snatched everything , that's in a short resumed what really means hurting and insulting our self esteem for me and you have neatly described it ! Your opinions over the spoiler and the recent promo is quite standable with correct arguments but still I am not really fan of all this nautanki , I hope it won't happen as per the spoiler , I really hope it's Jodhaa's dream because I am not really fond of all this NAUTANKI if it really going to happen then , for me it isn't the EPIC LOVE SAGA , whether , Jalal has really hurted Jodhaa for which he must ask for pardon and this forgiveness he isn't going to get it that swiftly , I am OK with all this but I don't want any DRAMA or NAUTANKI to force Jodhaa to acknowledge him as her husband and as the man she loves , CONFESSION and LOVE aren't defined by FORCE , PRESSURIZING or DRAMA , it's a pure , natural and own sentiments of REALIZATION , and those feelings shoulbe be felt FREELY in LIBERTY , not any PRESSURE of dilemma , circumstances or events ! Keep pming me as always Radhi , wonderful post once again !

Thanks so much! Your views are in unison with mine, esp the part

but I don't want any DRAMA or NAUTANKI to force Jodhaa to acknowledge him as her husband and as the man she loves , CONFESSION and LOVE aren't defined by FORCE , PRESSURIZING or DRAMA , it's a pure , natural and own sentiments of REALIZATION , and those feelings shoulbe be felt FREELY in LIBERTY , not any PRESSURE of dilemma , circumstances or events

I also want Jodha going back to Jalal to be her decision and not something she does because she is fooled into it emotionally. If she learns that it was all a prank, she will lose whatever little trust she has left in Jalal. Now it's not a question of love. Both know they love each other. It's a question of Jalal confirming his unshakeable faith in her, come what may.

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RadhikaS0

@RadhikaS0

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Posted: 11 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: tamy267

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ayushimehra

@ayushimehra

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Posted: 11 years ago

#19

Episode was good, first jalal, appriciates widow, Marriage, the person who wants to marry widow

should be Co-operative by society. when he arrenged, Bakshi, Banu marriage again, it means jalal was already broad

that time. so his thinking was that time, poisitve, about females, but he was unaware about heart feelings, & love, but now he is awering, from his heart feelings , &he knows, deep meaning behind marriage, credit goes to jodha, &learning of jalal

why needed second Marriage,? Because if a person gets love her or Him life totally changes

so it clears, widow lost her partner, so she is in deep pain, jalal also has lost jodha, his stupidness beahaviour, ( He is

also in Deep pain) but both have realized Importance of Love before. so jalal now knows, which will she get now, if

society, willl favourable, to widow marriage

(this is again forward step, making his journry Jalal To AKBAR.

jalal speeh, about Love, mind blowing👏👏👏

How much he has changed, , how much he discoverd his heart, Great. (self questioning, did by him, &his thinking totally changed.

other side jodha, listening jalal speech, feeling proud, but she unable to accept jalal's love

because he touched her character point, that is giving jodha great pain, she is recalling that words. so jalal must be realized, you can'nt touch women dignity, when you want.

jalal many times touched jodha's dignity, (jodha's point of view, is it a fun?)

so it means, jodha inner feelings is fearing to accept jalal;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

because jodha point of view, this time she console herself, this tough situation, very difficult

if this situation came again, then she will fully broke-up, that will be more dangerous.

(so jalal needed, to console herself, some trustable &love methods.)

so this realtion needed, some treatment, which done by (husband wife, so jalal should create

space, through talks then realtionship will become more stronger, easier &nobody can create Gap.

between them)

But ques is this, is jodha will accept ? acc to spoiler No, so twist (ready today to watch😆 😆

Todermal &jalal talks were good.

one good person when talks to good person;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;result comes;;;;;;;;;;;awesome

(so when TM will come to Agra, then ;;;;;;Amazing chemistery will be seeing to watch

But when Maham will see what her reaction, seeing interesting

TM talked about Mohares to jalal, So jalal recalled point of Mohares, which Maham is finding?

so interesting sequence, now in AGRA, when TM entry will be happen⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

jalal shared jodha talks to TM

is TM is getting, father figure after ATGHA's death?

now TM role is i think he will play important role, AKDHA"s patch-up

jalal fighting scene was good.

precap was beautiful;;;;;;;;;;;;;;jodhu is playing Holi (last Holi,Maham, create disturbance)

this Holi she is throughing clour to JALAL👏 👏 👏 👏(so Akdha's HOLI)

But Holi is a clour festival, so cloures will definately come in both's life, but this festival meaning, Happiness also, so Patch will sure Happen, after some(Ruthana Manana)😆 😆

so jodha will when sure now, then she will take next step, 😉

so jalal get ready;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;jodha is not, easily handled this time, More efforts needed by you😆 😆

Ayushi I just wanted to add one more point to all your fabulous points. I thought when Jalal defended the widow's right to love second time, he was seeming like he too wanted to "fall in love" one more time afresh with Jodha. Instead of just looking at their love as something gone spoilt by suspicion and lying and other such negative emotions, it was like he was expressing the need for a fresh new start to even their love. Did you also get that feeling?

Mansi, Agree your these lines, Yes i got that feeling

jalal's point of view, need for a fresh new start, in last days he too much analysised him, he now knows,he has no life without jodha. He now wants, past which he has mistaken, &he said to jodha

harsh words, suspicion her character, etc, now, these things washed away from his heart.

so now new start, these things no entry,

now there journey will be totally different, because now in their realtionship will be availability of freshness.

but other side jodha scene was beautifully pictouried;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;she knows, jalal is in deep pain

he is feeling guilt, He is accepting his mistakes. jodha knows, her heart is saying, forgive jalal

but suddenely Mind says;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;No jodha, if this happen again;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;then you will again, feel more down, then you will not that situation, you will recover your self.

suppose, she will go easily, then if problem came next time, or jalal will say, jodha go here,

then jodha what will you do?

Heartlevel says yes, jodha is reconizing, but Mind level wants insurrance.But jalal is a Mind level person, He came Mind to heart, He already insurranced, her, Mind & heart, so his speech was touchee, &showing, he now wants, A fresh start, now no entery stupidness things.

suddenely one thought, when this fear finish with the side of jodha.

then there realtionship where will be stand;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;amazing

No pagal khana scene, so episode deserves⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

i same posted in Mansi thread.

which scene jalal ;s blood, fills the MANNG of jodha that means, realtionship will be now, sorting jone👏

Edited by ayushimehra - 11 years ago

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MaddyO

@MaddyO

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Posted: 11 years ago

#20

Radhika super post. I also feel the issue here is not about love but trust. Here is what I wrote on Mansi's thread. Just copying here again.

I guess the impatience everyone is feeling for "the meeting" is reflected in slight disappointment towards Jodha. Jalal has been searching for her, why is she not even willing to meet!

I don't think there is any doubt in Jodha's mind now about her love for Jalal. Nor does she have doubt about Jalal feeling love for her.

The issue here is trust and for Jodha it has always been the most crucial part. Remember the first positive thing Jodha told Jalal was 'hum aapse ab ghrina nahi karte, kyonki aap wo hai jo ab humpe vishwas karte hai'. How did Jalal forget this? For Jodha there can be no relationship without trust, and even when she feels such deep love, she knows without trust there can really be no relationship.

We have seen Jalal's repetence, his misery so it is as if HE has done more to reconcile while Jodha is hiding away.

Jodha does not know any of this. Yesterday was the first time she saw him after his accusing her with some very ugly words and telling her to leave in the dead of night. Just imagine if Jalal had met her next morning, we would want her to NOT forgive him. Just cos we have seen time passing and his repentance does not mean she can just forget everything instantly! She has been trying to get on with her life away from Agra but most importantly from him. She cannot confide in anybody but her Kanha. There too she does not have much privacy since this Shehnaz seems to be clinging to her with all her might!

Jalal is always very flamboyant in his hatred, expressing feeling and only Jodha ever gets the best and also the worst in him. He has not much control over his emotions when it comes to her. He sees only with Jodha can he have a life he never imagined existed or possible.

Jodha on the other hand started from extreme ghrina and hers has been slow but steady progress. For Jodha once she fell in love it was total and deep. So the hesitancy in acknowledging her feelings, she herself is hesitant and bit scared. Cos Jodha knows she drives Jalal to extreme feelings.

Why does Jalal doubt her or not trust her? I would think the person who tells you openly to your face that she feels only ghrina for him, who truly never wanted anything from him, not from Shehenshah. Whatever she asked him for as Shehenshah was FOR him not from him. So when Jodha says something why Jalal needs proofs?

Jodha has understood and got over the Sujamal part in Jalal's blasting her. To me what hurt her most was that her most selfless act, where she saved Jalal's life and almost gave up her own, in his anger he termed that as her revenge! He threw that in her face. Jodha went through extreme humiliations not just private but public during Ben matter. She just cast them all aside and only thought about Jalal's safety. When she thought she had his trust again she was happiest. She was so eager to let all the hurts of the past go so that she can start with him again.

The same accusations were leveled against Jodha during fake MC track. That time she had her hatred to give her strength. She believed her judgement about him was correct and that and the false accusations made her stand up to him.

This time she is at totally different place, just like after vishpaan Jalal thought now all that he has to do is show patience and she will be where he is, Jodha also thought that all the insults, pain, hurt she felt in Agra was behind her. When Jalal professed his trust in her, she thought finally she has his trust and faith.

It was not his accusations but the manner of them hurt her to the core. How can he question her most selfless act and turn into something so ugly? If he can do that then is there any foundation at all for them to stand?

Here again in Mathura, how can Jodha know Jalal has not come to meet her only because her loves her. He got the truth about Sujamal and knew his accusations were wrong so for his love for her he wants her back. What about trust?

How does Jodha know Jalal's actions are not only driven by love and guilt? For her trust is supreme, more so because she has been put through so many loyalty proof tests, that she was justified in thinking finally she has earned his trust.

So his extreme reaction, which stemmed from his love but also hate recoiled her. How can she go through this again and again?

Just cos Jodha is not as flamboyant about expressing her feelings does not mean they do not run as deep in fact deeper. So how can she again risk everything. She once tried to give up her life, she still tried her best, why won't Jodha think that maybe even her best is not good enough for him?

Also she has seen he needs proofs only from her! He gives his trust blindly to some people. He has faith in them even when she can see they do not deserve it. What else can she do for him that he can have this trust in her?

Now Jodha thinks after all this if she has not earned his trust then she might never will. To her trust goes hand in hand with love, so how can she risk everything again.

I so hope we do not just get to see Jalal say sorry, Jodha refuse, his big dramatic act to make her realize her love. That is all ok - they both now know they love each other. HOW WILL THAT SHOW HER HE NOW HAS FULL TRUST IN HER? AND TILL WHEN? HOW CAN SHE BE WRONG IN THINKING IF HIS TRUST WILL STAY?

If anything Jalal has shown her extreme reactions. Now is she wants his steadfast trust why is wrong in expecting that. If she feels she has not been able to earn it after doing everything she can - then she feeling scared is very justified.

Can we also honestly say Jalal will not again get taken in and accuse her of something? Jodha is just trying to protect herself.

It is upto Jalal to assure her of his trust now, love she knows. They need to have talks and he has to show her by actions.

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