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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: preeti.r


- Bandhi in green being bullied - he simply wasn't used to being interrupted when he is speaking. Notice most ppl speak only after he asks them to or after he is done speaking . he had earlier done the same with Adham in DEK too .
That was a begum, not a baandhi..baandhis all have standard concentration camp styled uniforms green and pink salwar😆

- dont think much of spy network was required in this case as he just back traced where so many murthis can be procured overnight. So the spy network still isn't working.
Spy network? Its a two man organization!
Much like our unpredictable opium loving Shehenshah Sherlock and on his ever loyal Watson...that's all there is ...😆

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

Oh yeah...that Krishna prayer bit (though I've heard Akbar bowed to Hindu Gods too) that scene looked a bit forced to me there..😆

as for Jodha's recoiling of the hand, I can't placate myself because after all they've been through and knowing how bad he feels about the 'dhakka' incident.. if anything she should instill faith in him that she is there with him.. so, I feel while she needn't proceed to send him a message saying
'Yes..in my chamber..tonight...!' she needn't recoil her hand either...
Also they've been together for nearly a year now and through so much... after the amount of times she blushed thinking about him...after shes said she knows whats in his mind...knows she's fallen for him etc etc...that bit didn't make sense...😕

At the end of it, something has to work in favour of Ruqaiyya here - because Ruqaiyya Sultan Begum was the woman who ruled the harem in the end..🤔

Seen the latest promo? 😲

Saw the latest promo lashy. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIYybqS4LPg. A special thanks to bhavna for the link😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ma'am, while I was surprised by the baandhi's entry into DEK, this was a contradiction to last week, where even BEK was denied entry because of masallat, the rest of the episode was along Jalaal's normal character - unpredictability.
I don't know what pleasure he gets out of uksaofying his beghums, but, I feel he uses this to get them out of their righteousness and reveal their true feelings and opinions about his actions.

Regarding his scolding of Ruqaiyya, I think had she confessed to it straight out, he would have been a little soft on her. I think more than her hatred for Jodha, it's her juvenile actions that anger him. He wants her to behave like a BEK and his cousin (a worthy descendant of Timur and Geghis Khan), rather than a common fish-wife screaming and assaulting people around and concocting half-boiled ploys. Has she been dignified, his heart would have gone out to her, as she's childless yet, and he knows he's falling in love with Jodha, and this would make him favour her in future, and her knowledge of it would probably hurt her.

Now I wonder if he knows of MAs active involvement in demolition of her character, and how how tackles that would be interesting.

I had to watch the episode again, to get my perspective in order.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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aunty u did not like jalal😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
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At the end of it, something has to work in favour of Ruqaiyya here - because Ruqaiyya Sultan Begum was the woman who ruled the harem in the end..🤔
***As per Abhay, it was under Jodha and Salima Begum, checked his reply in Mansi's thread again about this yesterday
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Akdhaparijatluv

Aunty regarding jallu take on ruks yday is totally justifying for me...as u told that ppl never want a bestfrn like jallu in life im actually trying to put myself in jallus place and i dnt want a bestfrn like rukiaah either...I have never seen her dosti at all she is just well wishes of jallu...she may be saying lots of times using bachpan ka dosti word but her words never justify her actions...Does nt she have that much sense also that someone has to drill that to her?As evryone says she is childish(its totally illmannered) wat kind of kid is she as she herself is in postion to give birth to kids...

why shud jallu even try to make her sit and put her sense just bcz she is her frn...did she ever try to sit and talk to him during the times when he needed closeone to share?? as a frn did she try to console jallu during BK death??as a frn is it good to hide adham khan vulgar nature in moti issue and make her killed?as a frn she dint even trust him wen jallu said nothing happend in storm night,she doubted his frnship and thoght she got betrayed...as a frn did she try to share his pain during bakshi matter in fake preg track??after dhakka incident instead of making him forget his pain as a frn how can she rub on his wounds by repeating dhakka word to him again and again ??as a frn how can she even neglect jallus life matter during ben track?as a frn why cant she stop his best frn rude nature in whole ben track??as a best frn did she ever talk to him wen he felt lonely or atleast did she ever try to guess that her best frn is feelin lonely n discuss anythng with him whether he is happy or not??as a frn is it good to drag religious matter and violate mughal rule(she knows jallu loves n respects all religions and it will hurt him by playing with this sensitive feelings of jallu) ??

There were mistakes like these frm ruks dosti how can she or we ppl expect jallu shud sit and talk to her...??atleast now after watching yday episode she shud feel happy that jallu dint reveal this matter infront of evryone as he stil has respect for her.he doesnt want her to let down infront of others...ruks adds that dosti word but she always behaves like BEK and treats him like shehenshah and she wants him to treat her lik BEK...one more thing is even if jallu tries to talk to her and sit beside her to discuss there wont b much change in her i guess...

Aunty this is just my pov regarding her frnshp with him and dint include her behaviour with others(jallu unwares abt these) as we all know abt slapping kicking of bandhies and insulting ,badmouthwording to jo and salima which she thinks are honourable duties of BEK...


You have raisen up very good points on what kind of a friend is Ruq. Many times she was never there when Jalal needed his friend besides him.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rpeez

Ma'am, while I was surprised by the baandhi's entry into DEK, this was a contradiction to last week, where even BEK was denied entry because of masallat, the rest of the episode was along Jalaal's normal character - unpredictability. .




I think that was because this time the Baandhi wasn't any begums messenger but Jalal's spy 😳 ( informer) who was supposed to keep him informed on unusual things in the Harem.

But yes what was out of place is she told the info in the DEK when all the ministers were present not sure if there was any protocol for this😕.


In reality also Akbar had his informers in the Harem.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

Aunty...🤗

Lots of valid points raised...but, I have seen everything in a different light to yours aunty - wonder if it'd satisfy you!😛

My poor Jalal...there is not a single episode that goes by where his actions are not dissected and watched with a critical eye - especially in the past three months...😭

I feel that we expect him to be Lord Krishna to Jodha, Lord Ram to Ruqaiyya, Shakuni mama to Shareef/Adham, Chandragupta Maurya in the DEK and Ashoka on the battlefield...

But, he is 22 year old Jalal...and I love him for it!

DEK

Aunty ...there have been many scenes lately where they don't show the announcements and all...so, its possibly a given an announcement was made before she stepped in.

He is annoyed about her interruption - but, when the affair came to be known - it wasn't something totally insignificant since it goes against the traditions of the Mughal Sultanat, doesn't it?😕 Yes, Jalal will bring a change to that henceforth...but as of now, it was still wrong doing!

If nothing else, a blooper - but, then every serial is riddled with something of this sort.. 😆

HAREM COURT

That was only a Harem court...so only the women alone...I felt that him shouting at them NOT to interrupt wasn't really that out-of-place...and why aunty are you so harsh on the lad for shouting back at Ruq when she's been bursting his eardrums for the past four months? 😆 The guy had barely returned from one office to step into another and voila more problems...bass the CEO lost his cool...

On a more serious note - obviously, he's been annoyed with the harem issues lately spilling on to his political affairs et al - (Remember, how he mutters that the harem war was worse than any other war he's seen😆)! Surely, he was far more dignified in shutting them up than the women who were WWFing barely a day ago in the harem😆

Also, the 'unfairness' of the harem kaand and issues coming to light lately have given him a bad reality check, me thinks

JALAL-RUQ

Before saying that we'd never wish a friend like Jalal in our life... wouldn't we rather never have a friend like Ruqaiyya first?

Everyone's saddened that he gave up on Ruqaiyya soon...but, where is it soon? Every time he asks his friend the question 'Do you want me, do you feel jealous when I spend time with other ladies...and what am I to you?'

Her answer in various (actions, gestures, words) have been 'You are the Emperor and I am your chief consort...You are a man of power and position and I'm proud to be associated with that power and position!'

Which best friend really gives an answer like that?^^^

Ruqaiyya is loyal to the Mughal Sultanat and obsessed with the power she holds in it - Jalal is a means (albeit her favourite means) of ensuring her Sultanat and her position in said Sultanat is safe!

He is supposed to sit down and have a talk with her? Why? Did she sit down and have a talk with him when he lost his father? Did she sit down and have a chat with him when he was committing blunder after blunder during the Ben track? He was blinded by ego, right? What about her - she could have thought of it rationally! She is supposed to be his advisor right? Her egging him to marry Benazir during that track was in far poorer light than anything Jalal's done to her lately! After that, Jalal granted her a gift in the DEK for getting rid of Benazir - did she apologize to him for having committed mistakes? No! Instead, she tells Jodha choose anything BUT Jalal...like REALLY?

HIS EGGING

And as for the egging - the Jo vs Ruqs primarily started during the BEK elections, right? He teased/warned both Ruqaiyya (with a smile) about Hunar ki khaan and Jodha with a frown about Ruq's intelligence!

Even then, after he teased Ruq about the chess game - and saw her reactions - he disappointedly advices her not to be so driven to delight about the loss of Jodha rather than the victory of her friend! In that way, he's been egging Jodha too - to confess her feelings and the jalan bit!

This 'teasing' habit of his might be a drawback, an annoying characteristic of his - whatever - but, its nothing new! Initial episodes when the twosome were more cordial the egging ended with pleasurable scenes. (I like it when you get angry and I like to manaa you) Lately, when he's realizing Ruqaiyya's reality, the ending is not so pleasurable!

Jalal is good to those who are good to him...vindictive towards those when he thinks/learns of those who are not so good (when he realizes the truth that is)!

For all of her initial shortcomings, he forgave Jodha because apart from being attracted to her, he knew she was a woman of integrity - one who didn't crave power/position/materialistic comforts!

At the same time, despite all she's done for him lately - neither has he forgotten the narnaal issue, nor has he forgotten the dhakka incident!

For all of her shortcomings, he kept forgiving Ruqaiyya up until the recent Harem meeting. He trusted her to be truthful to him if nothing else! He trusted her allegiance to the Sultanat and thought she was 'just' in Sultanat affairs if nothing else (like how she gave the land back to Saleema in the DEK scene)

Now; despite all of their history together, he's never going to forgive Ruqaiyya for having back-stabbed his trust in this manner!

He's put up with her audha rants, with her constant 'tell me you don't love Jodha Begum' with her 'I me and myself' importance because he knew it was HER!

However, with the recent harem issues coming to light (Begums complaining about how they're being mistreated), him watching how she was pulling Jodha along etc he was beginning to get disillusioned! This moorthi plot only made it worse!

JALAL IN JO VS RUQ

And I also wouldn't say that Jalal's cerebral cog-wheels ONLY work in Jodha's case and not in Ruq's (it would seem that way cos this entire serial has been outlined with tracks that show every other person in the Sultanat plotting against Jodha!)

His brain had stopped working during the Tasneem track (a Ruqs affair) due to depression and during Benazir track (A Jodha affair) due to ego! Also, during Ruq's MC kaand he had taken it upon himself to do the investigation and solved it too - till MA outwitted him at the last minute!

As long as he is clever enough

and treats women with dignity - especially in public, I have no qualms about the rest of his portrayal! 😆

As for why he's so fond of Jodha - well, its a given...Heer Kunwari was Akbar's beloved...he spoilt her, adored her, had a separate palace built for her...then what's wrong if this Jalal does the same? At least, we see HK is a strong woman, intelligent and beautiful...at least here Ruqs is not very desirable as a companion...

There have been kings who've fallen for beloved queen no.5 or no.6 when queen no2, queen no3 or queen no4 did nothing really wrong!

Yes, he is no 'Holier than thou' white hero...but, then that's what makes watching this grey-shaded guy so interesting...as Divya had said - his action every day is the wildcard... changes a track every possible way!😃

Ayooo, this was a long composition...hope I didn't bore anyone to death...just my views..not meant to offend anyone...😳

Periyamma hope your eyes get better by the day 🤗


Oh yes, but my prime complaint was the scene where Jodha recoiled her hand suddenly - I felt it sapped the flavour out of a scene that could have been better! 😕

High time CVs are realistic in this issue - leads have been married close to a year now... this recoiling hand etc is not realistic at all!




Nice points Lashy a. Big 🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

My poor Jalal...there is not a single episode that goes by where his actions are not dissected and watched with a critical eye - especially in the past three months...😭

Kya karein lashy. When the team loses the captain is always blamed. I know that you don't love reading but you might of read of a Vikram betaal story where due to so many people's mistakes a man is mistakenly considered guilty and is put to death by the king. When betaal questions vikram who was more responsible the answer is that the king is more at fault.

But, he is 22 year old Jalal...and I love him for it!

Whether we drool or bash ,We all love him lash. 😃

DEK

Aunty ...there have been many scenes lately where they don't show the announcements and all...so, its possibly a given an announcement was made before she stepped in.

He is annoyed about her interruption - but, when the affair came to be known - it wasn't something totally insignificant since it goes against the traditions of the Mughal Sultanat, doesn't it?😕 Yes, Jalal will bring a change to that henceforth...but as of now, it was still wrong doing!

If nothing else, a blooper - but, then every serial is riddled with something of this sort.. 😆

This is nothing compared to many other bloopers and as tripti pointed out by the bandhies and messengers turning their back to zill-e-illahi while leaving.

HAREM COURT

That was only a Harem court...so only the women alone...I felt that him shouting at them NOT to interrupt wasn't really that out-of-place...and why aunty are you so harsh on the lad for shouting back at Ruq when she's been bursting his eardrums for the past four months? 😆 The guy had barely returned from one office to step into another and voila more problems...bass the CEO lost his cool...

On a more serious note - obviously, he's been annoyed with the harem issues lately spilling on to his political affairs et al - (Remember, how he mutters that the harem war was worse than any other war he's seen😆)! Surely, he was far more dignified in shutting them up than the women who were WWFing barely a day ago in the harem😆

Also, the 'unfairness' of the harem kaand and issues coming to light lately have given him a bad reality check, me thinks

Why ask those hopeless begums for their opinion and then scream at them? 😆 It was almost equivalent to 'dare you females go against jodha begum'. Of course he is the boss the ceo and the unquestioned monarch. Why not dismiss ruqaiya due to reasons of incompetence and make a fresh appointment of his choice. It is clear that he has a choice now. Why these namesake elections where he has a definite preference. Does he want to convince himself that his choosing jo over ruqs is justified by inciting ruqaiya to blunder?

JALAL-RUQ

Before saying that we'd never wish a friend like Jalal in our life... wouldn't we rather never have a friend like Ruqaiyya first?

Of course. Who cares for Ruqaiya. But unfortunately jalal has been her friend for years. Dosthi ki hai tho nibhaani padegi.

Everyone's saddened that he gave up on Ruqaiyya soon...but, where is it soon? Every time he asks his friend the question 'Do you want me, do you feel jealous when I spend time with other ladies...and what am I to you?'

Her answer in various (actions, gestures, words) have been 'You are the Emperor and I am your chief consort...You are a man of power and position and I'm proud to be associated with that power and position!'

Which best friend really gives an answer like that?^^

Wasn't this the answer that he had always wanted to hear all these years. L was the ban word for him . He used to be proud of her answer earlier. If he changed why not notify if not encourage her to change.😃

Ruqaiyya is loyal to the Mughal Sultanat and obsessed with the power she holds in it - Jalal is a means (albeit her favourite means) of ensuring her Sultanat and her position in said Sultanat is safe!

He is supposed to sit down and have a talk with her? Why? Did she sit down and have a talk with him when he lost his father? Did she sit down and have a chat with him when he was committing blunder after blunder during the Ben track? He was blinded by ego, right? What about her - she could have thought of it rationally! She is supposed to be his advisor right? Her egging him to marry Benazir during that track was in far poorer light than anything Jalal's done to her lately! After that, Jalal granted her a gift in the DEK for getting rid of Benazir - did she apologize to him for having committed mistakes? No! Instead, she tells Jodha choose anything BUT Jalal...like REALLY?

If Jalal treats Ruqaiya the way she treated him, then what is the difference between the two. He is the more rational and balanced of the two. I expected his letting her down in a more classy way where he cannot be blamed. Like in Mahabharat - 5 houses atleast...no...only war. Similarly, he attempts to put some sense into her...she continues her arrogance...faces her doom. That way jallu will be fault-free🤓

We expect better standards from Jalal, not Ruqaiya.
Ruqaiya undoubtedly deserved the dressing down for what she did. She was cheap by placing the moorthies and further blaming jo.He was also right in getting angry with her and blasting her after the idol debacle.

But why didn't he attempt to correct her or change her when he changed himself even before this mess? Not that he was totally unaware of her attitude. He was infact the perpetrator of such an attitude in her if not the sole cause.

How much did he bend to correct jo's grina? Why didn't he even attempt to correct his friend's arrogance? She wasn't just another green begum or orange begum but his childhood chum.

He complained of her having changed. But it was a crazy response to his own change that he failed to communicate to her.

HIS EGGING

And as for the egging - the Jo vs Ruqs primarily started during the BEK elections, right? He teased/warned both Ruqaiyya (with a smile) about Hunar ki khaan and Jodha with a frown about Ruq's intelligence!

Even then, after he teased Ruq about the chess game - and saw her reactions - he disappointedly advices her not to be so driven to delight about the loss of Jodha rather than the victory of her friend! In that way, he's been egging Jodha too - to confess her feelings and the jalan bit!

This 'teasing' habit of his might be a drawback, an annoying characteristic of his - whatever - but, its nothing new! Initial episodes when the twosome were more cordial the egging ended with pleasurable scenes. (I like it when you get angry and I like to manaa you) Lately, when he's realizing Ruqaiyya's reality, the ending is not so pleasurable!

Reality only because of him. He cheered her to be arrogant. He spoilt her by showering his exclusive attention on her and encouraging her rudeness. He always kept saying - 'tumhari yahi baat haemin bahut pasand hai Ruqaiya' whenever she spoke of audha or shaan. I agree with sun when she says "if Jalal had clearly told ruqaiyya to respect the others and define the line ,the limit ,she would never have crossed it coz Rukku is super scared of his temper...but he resorted to white lies to pacify her ,never clearing his stand on Jodha and left it all to assumptions and everyone assumed including ruqaiyya". Did he tell her once that he is no more the truant he was and she has to revise her propriety and decorum.
For all of her shortcomings, he kept forgiving Ruqaiyya up until the recent Harem meeting. He trusted her to be truthful to him if nothing else! He trusted her allegiance to the Sultanat and thought she was 'just' in Sultanat affairs if nothing else (like how she gave the land back to Saleema in the DEK scene)

Now; despite all of their history together, he's never going to forgive Ruqaiyya for having back-stabbed his trust in this manner!

Naturally. this is the epic love story of Jodha and Jalal
He's put up with her audha rants, with her constant 'tell me you don't love Jodha Begum' with her 'I me and myself' importance because he knew it was HER!
What about his own ' Dil nahin hai hamnare paas' rants without which initially Ruqaiya might have been an altogether different person?

JALAL IN JO VS RUQ

And I also wouldn't say that Jalal's cerebral cog-wheels ONLY work in Jodha's case and not in Ruq's (it would seem that way cos this entire serial has been outlined with tracks that show every other person in the Sultanat plotting against Jodha!)

His brain had stopped working during the Tasneem track (a Ruqs affair) due to depression and during Benazir track (A Jodha affair) due to ego! Also, during Ruq's MC kaand he had taken it upon himself to do the investigation and solved it too - till MA outwitted him at the last minute!

There too JO was the accused party.
There have been kings who've fallen for beloved queen no.5 or no.6 when queen no2, queen no3 or queen no4 did nothing really wrong!
Nothing wrong. He is the master of his wishes had his new found heart. I only wish some sensitivity and dignity in the break up
Oh yes, but my prime complaint was the scene where Jodha recoiled her hand suddenly - I felt it sapped the flavour out of a scene that could have been better! 😕
Sanskaar you see.

Done.
Edited by Sandhya.A - 11 years ago

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