Jalal wants Jodha to get the harem responsibility! - Page 10

Originally posted by: Abie10

He knew Ruq from childhood and now he's knowing Jo too which is why he knows exactly how to make them dance to his tunes.😆😉

So is Maha epi this evening? If yes, then can we expect a post from you on Sunday morning?😊

Originally posted by: skanda12

You are really a wicked one Abie!😉😉😉 So you have tied me down to writing my post on this one-hour episode! 😆 Very naughty of you! Okay I will surely write.😃

Originally posted by: sun29

mansi awesome analysis and you made the episode so much clearer now...i was also confused about the last scene ...i thought he did that so that ruqaiyya can go directly and challenge jodha which makes her accept this responsibility ...but reading your take ..it makes so much more sense...i just hope the cvs show us why Jalal did what he did today...

yes the episode after boat ride was an indication that Jalal does not want jodha to think she is enroaching anyone's territory...and she cannot keep on backing out for others hence his reverse psychology to her ..also she has to pass through fire to come out shining hence ruqiayya needs to push her ...handling harem or any administration is never easy ...and this is jodha's first step towards her bigger role in managing fleets ,shipping business and tax dept...

but i think that she will take up the 5 day challenge ,do her job marvellously and then decline the offer of BEK (this term has become so confusing now) and give it back to ruqaiyya...but she will prove her worth and then maybe Jalal will give her bigger roles...

Sunny, that is my thinking exactly!👏👏👏👏👏 Hope that happens exactly like that! Jodha's talents will be wasted in the harem. She should ultimately get bigger and meatier assignments. That itself will re-position Ruq as fit for the harem management only!

but the issue for me here is that ruqaiyya is not a sport like jalal is...she is never gracious in her defeat...and will not take this too graciously besides Jalal is completely unaware of MA instigating her...so this may further rile her up and cause her to do something extremem...MA is going to play and she will destroy ruqaiyya in the process

Hope Maham also reveals herself in the process. That will be like a double bonus for us!

yesterday salima ka forewarning kind of indicated that...ruqaiyya will fall from grace and this is going to happen ...Jalal is at his patient best right now coz he cares for both of them ...but ruqaiyya is testing his patient and for how long???

the best scene yesterday was salima and ruqaiyya...awesome

ruqaiyya was her worst with her yesterday and the way salima reprimanded her with so much class ,grace ,dignity...you could see the difference...both are timurid princess but see the difference in their conduct...loved the way salima gave it back and she did not even have to raise her voice

the best line that salima said was something that summed up ruqaiyya of the last 11 years...

you kept on harping that shahenshah has no heart and in that process you seem to have harden dour own heart...

Yes, somebody had to tell Ruq about this "dil" business, and Salima did a 100% thorough job of it! Sensational!👏👏👏👏

this is what has happened...hence inspire of all the power ,position ..she is neither happy nor at peace

i absolutely detest her belittling and treating others as animals but then i feel sad for this insecure ,lonely girl too...she has hardened her own heart and has mad herself believe Jalal has no heart and cannot love another...

her audha ,her power is her identity and strippping her off it would be the final nail before she topples over the edge courtesy MA

hence i had hoped halal would have sat her and spoke to her and explained to her and given her a chance instead of taking it to the level of a competition ...she listens to Jalal if to no one else..whatever he feeds her ,she believes even his lies...so he should have spoken to her and mae the harem give her one more chance ...

Actually, Sunny, though we can feel sad for Ruq, if she were just shouting and screaming it would be worth somebody's time to straighten her out kindly. But she is getting physically violent - slapping, kicking people ... she needs some stiff challenge to her sense of self! Thinks too highly of her audha and goes to any limits!

he is yet not aware the extend of her jealousy and insecurity and by the time he fathoms it will be too late...she is like a ticking bomb and MA is ready with finger on the button ...and unfortunately jodha is the target again

Yes indeed, a ticking time bomb. But forwarned is fore-armed ... so hopefully since jala himself is putting her in this competitive position he will be around to watch her behaviour and not let it get too far even if maham is instigating her!

Originally posted by: RainbowDrmZ

I dont kno if its only me.. But I felt that the 'hand-holding' with ruq was majorly bcoz she had dared to point at the shahenshah too in her all consuming anger nd ego in wich she evn forgot her ettiquettes nd the respect she has to give her husband evn if not the shahenshah.. Similar to wat ruq did with salima begum, but in a more physical way..! So she was out of line here nd as we all kno, Jalal does hv a teeny-tiny soft corner fr ruq too.. Nd like ruq has said many times that she only has jalal as her real family.. So jalal does understand that.. Nd knows he cant shun her outright watever she does.. So I feel in holding her hand, wen she dared point it at him while talking, and then that 'chutki scene' later on, he subtly but surely showed her that with him she has to be in her limits..! I dont kno if u guys agree.. But I felt that while watching the scene.. Nd of course.. I totally agree with the last para written in bold.. He wants jodha to get more importance in his empire nd his life.. But being a shahenshah, he cant b partial.. Also like I said b4.. He understands his responsibility towards ruq.. So he's not goinf to shun her or publicly demote her himself.. Also, mayb jalal does realize that if he supports jodha outright, the haters might plot against jodha nd their relationship.. So he's being careful in not showing his love ,affection nd preference fr jodha publicly not more than is necessary.. Nd jodha being the sweetheart she is wont evr want to tread on wat she considers sm1 else's territory.. Nd she's clearly not in awe nd want of power nd audha nd fame nd all worldly vices.. So yea.. The only thing that cud hv solved the knots is Jalal's teda ways.. Which m totally njoying..!! ;) Nd yea.. The way he warns ruq to not to take jodha lightly cud b bcoz he has full confidence in jodha nd mayb also that he wants ruq to start respecting jodha nd mayb evn fearing her rather than treating her like dirt..! Overall, lovely analysis skanda12.. M glad to see ppl like u spreading positivity amidst the whole current negative situation..! =)

Originally posted by: adianasr

Hi Mansi, Have been studying for my course work and so been posting on only one or two threads that come on day of epi. Have been reading all ur posts but not been able to post on them - din mei time nahin milta aur raat ko naye epi ka thread shuru ho jaata hai!!! Aaj time mila and I have been reading so many different takes on kal ka TE that I had to post the comment that I had made on Divya's thread. For me TE is not wanting Jodha to take on Harem management but he wants her to take her place and her rights as his wife and his queen which she has been shying away from due to Ruqs.

For me, this was not a filler and TE is not playing with either Jodha or Ruqs.

Lets look at Jodha - She came to Agra with hatred and refused to be a part of Agra initially. Slowly she realised that she had clubbed all to be bad. Yet she kept aloof. Also she had always referred to Ruqs as TE's wife - never thought of herself as his wife (this is very different from thinking of him as her husband).

Though Jodha changed her belief about the Mughals and TE, she still did not think of herself as his wife, for her only Ruqs has that position - perhaps this may be why 'The Night' resulted in the 'Shove' and the next morning he was accused of SKLL - for her it perhaps was and she closed herself to his words - I can now see the line of events and somewhere TE also has realised it - which is why he stopped referring to the 'Dhakka' - The Khema incident gave him proof of Jodha's convoluted thinking!!!

So though Jodha has changed her mind about all at Agra she is still on the kinara testing the waters - Jab tak paani mei koodegi nahin she will never belong - always remain the outsider - She has given advice to TE that he has to be a part of his ppl to be their Emperor but Apne uper yeh advice Madam Jodha ne apply nahin kiya - TE is just making her do this - He is pushing her into the water so that she can start swimming (The best way to make the reluctant swim)

Bahut khoob llikha hai aapne!👏👏👏👏👏👏

As long as Jodha does not look on herself as TE's wife and take her place as such she will always keep him at arms length - Toh pehle TE has to get Jodha to realise that she is as much his wife and has rights on him as does Ruqs - tab kahin jaake woh TE ko uske haq degi (tab tak yeh durr durr ka romance jhelna hi padega)

Coming to Ruqs - She too needs to realise that in a polygamous situation she cannot claim sole rights as wife. And this is where the problem lies - she has managed to make all the others to feel like they are interlopers and the third wheel when infact she shd have made them all feel equal as TE's wives. TE is just making her realise that just as she has her rights on him so do the other wives and just as he needs to give them those rights so too do they need to claim it - Kisi ko right dene se sab khatam nahin ho jaata they also need to claim their right and its only when we claim our right will we do our duty with happiness in our heart - warna duty becomes a burden.

So the lesson for Ruqs is that she cannot claim sole rights as wife - sharing is mandatory - and its this reason why Ruqs has become what she has - and this lesson in humility is very much needed - and TE does realise that Ruqs can become vicious which is why I do feel that for all that it seemed he was stoking Ruqs making her anti-Jodha he will make sure Jodha has his protection from all of Ruqs viciousness.

This is also a brilliant point!👏👏👏👏👏

Also by warning Ruqs he has ensured that Ruqs later cannot claim to have been duped by Jodha or accuse Jodha of playing dirty!!!

This way he has made sure that when Jodha wins her place it is becoz she deserves it and Ruqs does not claim otherwise.

Originally posted by: sun29

mansi awesome analysis and you made the episode so much clearer now...i was also confused about the last scene ...i thought he did that so that ruqaiyya can go directly and challenge jodha which makes her accept this responsibility ...but reading your take ..it makes so much more sense...i just hope the cvs show us why Jalal did what he did today...

yes the episode after boat ride was an indication that Jalal does not want jodha to think she is enroaching anyone's territory...and she cannot keep on backing out for others hence his reverse psychology to her ..also she has to pass through fire to come out shining hence ruqiayya needs to push her ...handling harem or any administration is never easy ...and this is jodha's first step towards her bigger role in managing fleets ,shipping business and tax dept...

but i think that she will take up the 5 day challenge ,do her job marvellously and then decline the offer of BEK (this term has become so confusing now) and give it back to ruqaiyya...but she will prove her worth and then maybe Jalal will give her bigger roles...

but the issue for me here is that ruqaiyya is not a sport like jalal is...she is never gracious in her defeat...and will not take this too graciously besides Jalal is completely unaware of MA instigating her...so this may further rile her up and cause her to do something extremem...MA is going to play and she will destroy ruqaiyya in the process

yesterday salima ka forewarning kind of indicated that...ruqaiyya will fall from grace and this is going to happen ...Jalal is at his patient best right now coz he cares for both of them ...but ruqaiyya is testing his patient and for how long???

the best scene yesterday was salima and ruqaiyya...awesome

ruqaiyya was her worst with her yesterday and the way salima reprimanded her with so much class ,grace ,dignity...you could see the difference...both are timurid princess but see the difference in their conduct...loved the way salima gave it back and she did not even have to raise her voice

the best line that salima said was something that summed up ruqaiyya of the last 11 years...

you kept on harping that shahenshah has no heart and in that process you seem to have harden dour own heart...

this is what has happened...hence inspire of all the power ,position ..she is neither happy nor at peace

i absolutely detest her belittling and treating others as animals but then i feel sad for this insecure ,lonely girl too...she has hardened her own heart and has mad herself believe Jalal has no heart and cannot love another...

her audha ,her power is her identity and strippping her off it would be the final nail before she topples over the edge courtesy MA

hence i had hoped halal would have sat her and spoke to her and explained to her and given her a chance instead of taking it to the level of a competition ...she listens to Jalal if to no one else..whatever he feeds her ,she believes even his lies...so he should have spoken to her and mae the harem give her one more chance ...

he is yet not aware the extend of her jealousy and insecurity and by the time he fathoms it will be too late...she is like a ticking bomb and MA is ready with finger on the button ...and unfortunately jodha is the target again

Originally posted by: skanda12

@Maddy: How can you say that children do not do harm? I was the first child of my parents and when my sister was born I used to pinch the baby black and blue and throw things on the nbaby inside the cot when the baby was sleeping and I used to try and bite the baby ... my Mother says I was terrible at that stage!

Originally posted by: sarika05

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Originally posted by: MaddyO

TFS

Can you please write EXACTLY what Jalal says, somehow I could not hear him clearly