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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: abhi786

Divya episode was good ..

Thanks for posting! I am also coming around to the episode was not as bad as I first thought it was 😊

JJ scenes are good... First scene now a days Jodha has only praises for Jalaal, & also she is confused how can he be so tough to the loved ones ? I think for Jo it was a dream & reality for Jalaal, so he wants to hear more what she remembers... He wants JO to share everything & he enjoys if she shows her haq on him as a husband... But JO still hesitant to share, as she is still can't understand her changed feelings... This time Jalaal wants JO to move their relationship forward, he is showing patience & told the same he will wait till she can share everything to him openly...

I also hope Jalal knows as well... It was not clear

JJ chess scene is good... I feel JO deliberately lost & how tricky she asked him to give gift to BB.. I means he actually won the match is in happy mode & wants to get some gift from her, instead she asks him to gift BB, her husband which Jalaal will going to give BB today which is going to rile up Ruqu more..

I loved this scene- actually showed some progression in the story

He enjoys making Ruqu jealous, as he just won the match & also wants to get the answer from Ruqu that she is jealous of JO, he played the same strategy with JO rubbing on her face BEN, now using same with Ruqu rubbing JO on her...He just enjoys riling up his begums especially Ruqu & Jo wants them to pamper him. & show possessiveness...

I wish Jalal showed some change here ... Why does he want to rile Ruqs up? That is MA's job!


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: MaddyO



Divya I got caught up in the discussion and forgot to write I actually loved your vent.
I like your positivity a lot but if you just like any and everything it comes across as you refusing to see negatives.

So don't worry about vent, that after writing that you went to positives is even bigger thing.

I don't think we should hold back our views, then what is the point of writing here freely


Thanks! Appreciate all the debating that came forth.

I was only surprised why it never occurred to be that jalal could know as an option. 😊

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

I'm still trying to get my head around it all Divya... I'm seeing so many different versions.. so many different theories (some positive, many negative) in the forum, I'm confused myself!

Thanks Shraddha- I am going to create a summary of notes for myself - I am losing track of the theories! I was just left with a "what just happened" feeling after the episode

I agree with you on the stagnation and deliberate brakes on the love story...
I mean they haven't gone back...but I'm totally confused as to what stages they are at...

Yes, they are like in a see-saw ... But you know what was my biggest complaint, some of the scenes had a sense of dejavue of Jalal-Jodha of early days

- Jalal riling up Ruqs reminded me of pre- Sukanya wedding and then once they were back
- Jodha telling him it was bad to listen to others' talks and him saying well it was about him- it reminded me of the aarti scene pre-MC track when he gives her the aarti ki taali

This was months ago- they can't still be talking the same way!


While the scenes you've outlined themselves are cute.. because of these looming doubts in the background its difficult to enjoy the scenes wholeheartedly!

clouds are always there during the good times ... But during the bad times they never show how the sun will shine except for these vague prophecies and voiceovers. For MUs everything is crystal clear.

And Jalal confuses us (and the CVs themselves too me thinks) some times I feel they mould/shift his characterization as and when to suit the TRPs and the tracks... because in 1 track he behaves one way and in another another way and its very very unpredictable!

Jalal hi kyun? Jodha rani is the same- is she the same one who was close to a love confession at Salim Chisti's

Surely there are no theories Akbar suffered from MPD, or were there? 😆 I have to go back to Abhay's posts to refer to that one...

Poor Abhay will seriously go into hiding if he starts getting PMs on this one ... It might be more fruitful to check if the CVs or the director suffer from MPD... Short-term memory loss could also be an option 😆


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

I'm still trying to get my head around it all Divya... I'm seeing so many different versions.. so many different theories (some positive, many negative) in the forum, I'm confused myself!


I agree with you on the stagnation and deliberate brakes on the love story...
I mean they haven't gone back...but I'm totally confused as to what stages they are at...

While the scenes you've outlined themselves are cute.. because of these looming doubts in the background its difficult to enjoy the scenes wholeheartedly!

And Jalal confuses us (and the CVs themselves too me thinks) some times I feel they mould/shift his characterization as and when to suit the TRPs and the tracks... because in 1 track he behaves one way and in another another way and its very very unpredictable!

Surely there are no theories Akbar suffered from MPD, or were there? 😆 I have to go back to Abhay's posts to refer to that one...



Nahi di...😆
Akbar was not a victim of Multiple Personality Disorder...🤣
Before you refer me, i am here...😆

BTW, there is an interesting theory by Adolf Meyer on MPD also. Enjoy reading.!. 😆

Also, few days back only i saved Akbar from being proved a dyslexic...🤣...Now , MPD also..😆
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/101201279
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Posted: 11 years ago
Abhay, thanks for that...
So, proved now Divya...Akbar didn't have MPD only the CVs have it 😆
So while he can be astute and clever in handling politics sometimes, he can go into brain freezes during Benazir...while he can be so caring in one scene he can forget about their feelings in another (Jos feet warming cut to letting Jo sleep outside? Similarly, proving he loves Ruqs by eating her burnt rotis but then going on to rile her up when he knows she's insecure about it)
Plus the whole non-soul soul conscience dream heaven talk has left everyone flabbergasted 😆

Akbar's characterization is definitely being toyed with more because he's the one facing the situations AND having to make the decisions (none else will be taken to task if a decision goes awry)..plus being the centre of different women's lives, the outcome of being pulled from all sides is more apparent...😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

Abhay, thanks for that...

So, proved now Divya...Akbar didn't have MPD only the CVs have it😆
So while he can be astute and clever in handling politics sometimes, he can go into brain freezes during Benazir...while he can be so caring in one scene he can forget about their feelings in another (Jos feet warming cut to letting Jo sleep outside? Similarly, proving he loves Ruqs by eating her burnt rotis but then going on to rile her up when he knows she's insecure about it)
Plus the whole non-soul soul conscience dream heaven talk has left everyone flabbergasted😆

Akbar's characterization is definitely being toyed with more because he's the one facing the situations AND having to make the decisions (none else will be taken to task if a decision goes awry)..plus being the centre of different women's lives, the outcome of being pulled from all sides is more apparent...😆



Shraddha, there is one more option - a crazy Akdha fan has whacked the CVs on the head- and they are suffering from short term memory loss like Ghajini Aamir- I seriously would not blame the fan.

Poor Jalal- can't understand one woman- no wonder he is acting so confused amidst so many women- that is the only justification

Also he just found his heart so maybe is still figuring out how it works- what say?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



Nahi di...😆
Akbar was not a victim of Multiple Personality Disorder...🤣
Before you refer me, i am here...😆

BTW, there is an interesting theory by Adolf Meyer on MPD also. Enjoy reading.!.</a> 😆

Also, few days back only i saved Akbar from being proved a dyslexic...🤣...Now , MPD also..😆
<a href="https://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3848936&PID=101201279&#p101201279">http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3848936&PID=101201279&#p101201279



Thanks Abhay- here we are trying to find faults in Jalal when it was the CVs all along!
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi All,
I want to thank you all for having such a spirited discussion over the night. This is the first time any of my threads have gone past 100 posts and it just speaks to the amount of passion you have for our leads and their love story.

All of us have been very patient with the Jodha-Akbar love story for so many months ... So why are many of us (including me) are starting to become impatient. Speaking for myself, I think it is because:
- Our leads are so close to admitting their love you can feel it- it is like their fingers that were almost touching in the beautiful fireplace scene- they are that close!
- We are all worried that they will back-track before they admit their love
- The CVs don't have a great track record of consistency

There is no way I can individually respond to each of your posts though I have loved reading each and every one of them. Hence, I decided to do one group response. I also have a much clearer view of the episode coming from your posts that I wanted to share with you on the following key topics:

Soul talk: There are three emerging scenarios that are all possible. Why the scene was so vague was either because the CVs were trying to cram too much into it (there was the cuteness of Jalal drying her hair, the flashback, etc.) or the CVs want to keep their options.

Here were the three scenarios I primarily heard along with some slight hybrids:

- Jodha and Jalal both are aware of the soul talk. Jalal wants to hear it from Jodha so he is sure of her feelings and comfort level with his love.
- Jodha remembers only what Jalal said outloud in the room as a dream; the other part of the soul talk is unclear
- This was Jodha's near death experience / dream and Jalal does not know of it
Given the CVs were not conclusive, I have decided I also will not jump to conclusions and will see how this plays out.

However, regardless of the soul talk scenario, this does not mean that Jodha and Jalal do not love each other or are not genuine. The Salim Chisti mannat scene is enough to convince me they are completely in love. We all know they will have to admit their love at some point.

Sujamal: There will some drama for sure because of his entry but I truly believe it cannot be as bad as the movie for a few reasons. In the movie, without giving Jodha a chance to speak Jalal banished her to Amer but I don't believe that can happen here because:
- Jodha- Jalal are now talking to each other - so he will always give her a chance to speak and she will protest as well
- Even in the fake pregnancy track, Jalal thought umpteen times before suspecting / punishing Jodha
- There are people who can prove he is Sujamal and vouch for Jodha, e.g., Maan Singh
- In the movie, Jalal thought he was her ex- fiance; he knows that cannot be the case here
- History (so far as per Abhay) suggests Jodha was never sent off to Amer in punishment

Again, let's wait to see what the CVs will have in store. We thought the Shivani fiasco would be a mess and that was not that bad.

Ruqs-Jal conversation: This I am going to wait to see what happens tonight before making a call. Perhaps, Jalal wants Ruqs to admit she is jealous so he can deal with it directly. He is also unaware of how insecure she is. Jalal is not a good judge of women and jealousy- he didn't get the Jodha-Ben equation right either. Let's see how it turns out tonight.

Thanks again for all your posts, comments, and debates - loved it all. And its almost time for today's episode. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: divyavm

First thing first, I will admit, I was not too impressed with today's episode. I had a feeling Jalal- Jodha are going in circles and not moving anywhere, while 10 MU are being set up. Will you give me two minutes to vent about two things I did not like: 😕

- The soul talk was Jodha's own near death experience / dream; Jalal does not know about it and hence, he never told her that "hum aapse mohabhat karte hain." Did I interpret this wrong? So, they are in what stage of love now?

But he did tell God he loves her. 😕

- Jalal is back to his old antics of riling up Ruqs by saying he enjoyed playing with Jodha more; this reminds me of the Jalal before going to Amer for Sukanya's wedding; please no back-tracking. I hope he is not mad at Jodha for asking him to free Sharif.

😆 CVs will take you 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards.

Okay, thank you for letting me vent. Phew, I feel better.😊

No matter what, this love story is going to go at epic slow pace.I know I will need this Take 5 post to keep me positive in the near future with Sujamal coming to visit his dear behna. My only hope here is that Maan Singh is in Agra and can clear the confusion without Jodha going to Amer. 😊

I also hope Jodha doesn't have to go to Amer. But MU can be due to Sujamal or SD or they both may join hands to attack Jalal.

So, despite the damper to my spirits, I am going to now cheer up with my top 5 positives from the show:

(1) The much awaited Akdha scene, where Jalal overhears Jodha talking about his "komal" heart and him holding her hand in his dream. He is obviously thrilled.I loved the casualness their relationship is taking where without hesitance he sets off to dry her hair. I wish Jodha had been more forthcoming about her feelings and not told him she is not ready to share ... However, I loved two things: (i) How Jodha's actions contradicted her words when he hurt himself and (ii) how Jalal gave it back to her that she should remember her dreams, foreshadowing that she will be ready to share her dreams soon enough (as we are hoping too!) 😉

I also hated the way they watered down the "hair drying" scene. It had so much potential but was reduced to a casual hi-bye kind of scene. And Jodha had absolutely no expressions when Jalal turned to smile at her while he was leaving.

(2) The chess game: I liked the chess game as they played it in the famous khel kaksh and shows progression in how much Jodha now shows her haq to be with Jalal. There was a time when Jalal called her to the khel kaksh and Jodha refused saying she did not want to take Ruq's haq / jagah. Now she knows he is waiting for Ruqs but still agrees to play! There are signs of progress! I wonder what stage of love we can call it ... 😆

I like that Jodha has no ego hassles. Though Jalal clearly told her he was waiting for Ruq to play the game and asked her casually if she would play with him till Ruq came, Jodha readily agreed. I think she is now entering the early Jalal stage where he always looked for excuses to spend time with Jodha. Now she is doing the same. 😆

(3) The after math of the chess game: I liked a few specific points of how the chess match ended which I want to point out separately. It looks like Jodha lost on purpose- and it reminded me of the smart Jodha during Sukanya's wedding who bent down her head and apologized to try to convince Jalal to make sure the wedding goes through during the fort issue. I wish it was for a more purposeful thing then freeing Sharif but oh well.

I also want to vent my feelings here with your permission: why is Jalal not doing anything about the Hindu pilgrim tax though at that time, he was feeling very guilty about it. Now he seems to have forgotten it. Jodha is also using her smartness to free BB and SD but not doing anything about this issue. And another thing is that once before her marriage, Jodha had paid this tax for some pilgrims to Ruq. Then when Jalal is surprised by the tax, why doesn't she mention that it's an old tax and she also paid it earlier?

The second point was when Jalal hinted at what she could give a Shehenshah their expressions made it clear they were both thinking about a waaris / MUZ- but again (like yesterday) bechara Jalal's hopes were dashed when Jodha switched the topic to BB-SD. I hope they show his reaction in flashback and I definitely hope he does not go and vent to Ruqs.

I wish Jodha would focus more on her relationship than worry about doing good to others. Set your own house in order first is my advice to her. 😆

(4) Sujamal's entry: I am happy to see the guy for sure- he was always a good (looking) actor. On one hand, I am happy that I was right in that he has to do with the Mewar uprising. On the other hand, I am disappointed why he wants to meet Jodha- obviously she is happy at home saving her husband's life. But, it is always nice to see a strong character back. And perhaps we can hope for some good war scenes! Also, there are more people that know Sujamal in Agra such as MAan Singh that I think that any misunderstanding will be resolved wuickly. Until the montage shows signs of separation, I will believe this to be true.

(5) Precap: Before you question, if I am going crazy- which I may be, I liked the precap for two reasons:
- Jodha has a new lehenga and jewelry and she is looking gorgeous- may be a gift for being the no. 1 show for a week
- Ruqs plan to put Jodha down is proving her to be a bad in charge for the harem- that was so much better than doing something to hurt BB

Another positive, was the scene shooting of Jodha reading the story to Rahim. That will happen likely in 1-2 weeks as she is wearing the same orange dress she was wearing yesterday- so happy days are here for a few more weeks. 😊

So, what did you like about the episode today?

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