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Posted: 11 years ago
#61
Munni dear, let us all relax and forger about this and wait for Monday.

And do not let the accredited Jalal-phobes across the forum get under your skin, and do not waste your time and energy trying fruitlessly to make them see the light.

It will all be sorted out, and there will not be the least dhabba on Jalal, I am sure of that.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: munnirony

jalal always cared for jodha, even when he was not in love with jodha. best eg. is the b'day party tht was organised. i agree hamida organised it, but it was jalal who informed HB. so why do we think tht he will ignore jodha's safety??? & he didnt knew tht ruku told jodha to sleep outside so maybe when jodha told tht she wanted to sleep outside, he didnt knew how to react at tht point of time or he was trying to figure out why jodha wanted to sleep outside. we may bash jalal for anything, but at least when it comes to his begum's safety issue he is not the person who will do tht. if he can fight with the tiger for jodha's safety, it will be silly from CV's part if they show him not caring about jodha's safety.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#62
Thank you Aunty for the advice. I know i need to work on it. I am too much involved with this serial, my mood goes with the episode. Not only with the serials, I get moved with emotions soon and people take advantage of it. I should not let this happen, will try Aunty.
Yes I agree, Jalal is caring and responsible person. so he might not leave Jodha out.
But when it comes to Ruq, he tends to do what she wants and not make her sad.
Just to make Ruq look mean and petty, it is not right to hurt Jodha right. She was hurt when she went out.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear, I thought a bit more about this matter, and then edited my reply to you. It is now as below, and I think this version is a lot more rational. It is also more realistic.

My initial reaction needed these qualifications, for the bottom line is that Jalal Jodha ko har waqt palkon par bitatha hai.Plus he would not have let any begum run the risk of falling ill from the cold.

Do take a look at it. It will have the added advantage of making you feel better!

I think the whole idea here is to make Ruqiaya look mean and petty, in order to make Jalal slowly start moving away from her and towards Jodha. The typical, mindless, cliched, and unnecessary zero sum game.

One more thing. Do NOT let Jodha-Jalal, or indeed anyone else here, become the kind of obsession that can cause sharp mood swings. It is most undesirable. Do try and overcome this tendency, my dear.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 11 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: realitybites

Hi welcome to the forum. Its wonderful of you to respond and nice to read various thoughts/opinions. Please feel free to keep posting. The more, the merrier.
Hey its a forum for discussion, and your views are appreciated. Keep posting.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#64
My dear, the Hanuman's tail will start growing tomorrow, which is when my chipmunks will start on it. I think they do it partly to enjoy themselves, and partly because they want to force me to do another post soon, so that they can move with me to that thread! Lashy made me do the earlier Camelot post yesterday and Mandy made me do this one, and so they always have new threads to rummage in!😉

I am glad you wrote in here. Your comment on the Sunlight on a butterfly's wings thread was, as I had mentioned in my response to you on the thread before that one, very beautiful in both the language and the content. I wanted to respond to it on the proper thread, but now I cannot locate it in those 64 pages! If you have the page number, do let me know.

As for Jodha's expression of yesterday, my reading of it was confirmed completely today, was it not? She smiled so sweetly, obviously happy and at peace with herself and the world, when the Sheikh finished his prophecy. One has to interpret such guarded expressions in context.

Now the tantalising question is whether she has really guessed what Jalal wished for. His lips were not moving, so he was making his wish soundlessly, so she could not have actually heard it, could she? Anyhow, with her, even the cliched dupatta-biting-and-running-away routine looks fresh and charming, very likely because it is the first time we are seeing her doing such a thing.

The other question is of what sort of aam aadmi is Jalal planning to be when Ruqaiya has brought along 2 baandis, the unfortunate Hoshiyaar, and a whole khema? And if she had a khema at hand, why did she not have a spread to put on the hay?

I also do not understand why travelling as an aam aadmi has to mean sleeping in ramshackle barns. Why can they not stay in a proper sarai, modestly but in relative comfort. An aam aadmi does not have to be literall on the roads! Next, the seth looks prosperous enough, so why can he not have some ready cash for buying provisions for dinner? How long is he planning to live off Jodha's head ornaments (for the necklace, bangles and earrings are gone, to pay the jaziya.

The whole scenario is plain cuckoo. It is aimed, in the first half, solely at promoting the Jalal-Jodha relationship, and now at sketching out for Jalal the skills he will have to acquire to balance his 2 khaas begums. Plus being a comedy track, such as in Ruqaiya's roti-making session.

One thing is for sure. This track in not going to end for a while yet. No jaziya abolition announcement on Monday!

As for the controversy about Jalal not vetoing Jodha's sleeping outside, 'nuff said about that already!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: AJSharma79

Loved and loved your post.

I was a bit confused about Jodha's reaction/expression afters Salim baba's prediction. And many were saying that she was expressionless/blank. I wondered was that what it was, as it was such a big prediction and she went blank? But after reading your post It makes more sense to me. Thanks for taking the time and writing this for us.

oh, by the way I am happy I managed to write down something before your post became hanuman's tail as how all your posts of late have peculiarly been turning into.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#65

Dear Vanilla-E-Mint,


trying to be of help...


Unani Medicine for Obesity, Overweight and Weight Loss

Obesity is the vital nutritional or the metabolic disorder where the percentage of fat tissue (adipose tissue) increases disproportionately owing in imbalance of energy intake and energy expenditure. Sedentary lifestyle along with excessive calorie consumption is the main cause of Obesity. Obesity may leads to Diabetes, Low HDL cholesterol, Hypertriglyceridemia CAD, Hypertension, Osteo-arthritis, Gynecological problems, etc. Some simple treatments for obesity and overweight (Siman-E-Mufrit) through Unani are being given below.

Obesity and Lac (Luke -e-Maghsool)

One gram of Luke -e-Maghsool may be taken with water in the morning for getting positive impacts for obesity. This is an effective Unani medicine for obese people.

Obesity and Lemon Juice

Lemon juice is quite effective for obesity patients. 5-10 ml of lemon juice is mixed with one glass of water and should be taken on empty stomach in the morning. The mix is very useful for melting of adipose tissue from the body as well as weight loss. However, it is recommended to take the above mix once a day, otherwise, the person may experience loose motion or some digestive problems.

Obesity and Jawarish Kamooni Kabir

This unani medicine may be taken 4-6 gram twice a day, are found useful for obesity patients.

Majoon -e- Muhazzil

10 gram of it may be taken at the bed time. This is good in minimizing of fats from the body.

Majoon -e- Muqil

It is recommended to have 10 gram of this useful Unani product at the bed time. This is beneficial for obesity patient.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#66
So did I , with the same result, which puzzled me no end. It turns out that it was there but I had forgotten ti hit the post button, It is now there on page 9.

I am really sorry, and you should thank your luck that you did not have to sift thru 64 pages!😉

Joja, if you have been similarly puzzled, here it is at last.

Originally posted by: AJSharma79

aunty, which of my post did you reply to? I checked the thread twice but found nothing.

This apart, the whole scenario of the cross country journey by these aam janata is plain nuts. Do see my response above to AJSharma79.

-AJ

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Posted: 11 years ago
#67
Dear Lehar-e-Mahtaab,

A dose of diplomacy is called for here.😉 If you suggest to our boy wonder that he is obese, he is likely to take refuge in denial - What me, obese? Not on your life! A tad pleasantly plump, maybe, and I am working on that, thank you!

Besides, he is not obese. Just needs to shed about15-20 pounds. A professional would get that off in 2 months,

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Moontide

Dear Vanilla-E-Mint,


trying to be of help...

Unani Medicine for Obesity, Overweight and Weight Loss

Obesity is the vital nutritional or the metabolic disorder where the percentage of fat tissue (adipose tissue) increases disproportionately owing in imbalance of energy intake and energy expenditure. Sedentary lifestyle along with excessive calorie consumption is the main cause of Obesity. Obesity may leads to Diabetes, Low HDL cholesterol, Hypertriglyceridemia CAD, Hypertension, Osteo-arthritis, Gynecological problems, etc. Some simple treatments for obesity and overweight (Siman-E-Mufrit) through Unani are being given below.

Obesity and Lac (Luke -e-Maghsool)

One gram of Luke -e-Maghsool may be taken with water in the morning for getting positive impacts for obesity. This is an effective Unani medicine for obese people.

Obesity and Lemon Juice

Lemon juice is quite effective for obesity patients. 5-10 ml of lemon juice is mixed with one glass of water and should be taken on empty stomach in the morning. The mix is very useful for melting of adipose tissue from the body as well as weight loss. However, it is recommended to take the above mix once a day, otherwise, the person may experience loose motion or some digestive problems.

Obesity and Jawarish Kamooni Kabir

This unani medicine may be taken 4-6 gram twice a day, are found useful for obesity patients.

Majoon -e- Muhazzil

10 gram of it may be taken at the bed time. This is good in minimizing of fats from the body.

Majoon -e- Muqil

It is recommended to have 10 gram of this useful Unani product at the bed time. This is beneficial for obesity patient.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#68
Aunty, I went mad looking for my post on your Sunlight on a Butterfly's wings thread. I think my eyes rolled in two differen directions. But I would not complain so much as I was also getting lost in reading all the comments on the thread. But alas, One can have ones eyes rolling in different directions only for so long, na?
I enjoyed her reaction at the phrophecy. She is not mentally preparing herself to accept the possibility of it happening. She is already accepted that should it happen, then let the will of God be done.
You know, to me Jodha was just pulling his leg when she said she heard his prayer. Its more like she is wishing he would pray for the thing that is in her subconcious mind. Something in the line of him declaring her beauty and wishing to be captured in it eternally...😛
Had that scene happened in any other movie I would have made some snarky comment to the displeasure of my mother about its such rubbish girls running around bitting their duppatta. But the flow of the scene was such that it was the perfect exit from that shot. How else will we have jala running behind her? I could have OD on their adorableness.
I do agree with you that it is totally incredulous that he would have no money on him, or that a penniless person will have a wife who seem to have stored trinkets of adornment made of gold that she can barter for anything they need. I choose to attribute that to the fact that they probably dried out their brain juices churning out such good scenes, that some level of stupidity was to be expected.
And that scene did not make any sense to me...one moment they are there at that hut (made of hay?) and next is that tent will full fitting inside. Why bother chasing that couple away if only for you to have your own tent?
Anyway, it is also so disjointed to have this Seth who have two wifes (regardless of them being two different religion is logical or not) where one is dressed richly and the other is almost next to pauper. But since they have dried their brain juices on such good scenes...so i suppose I will have to pretend to be blind.😲

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear, the Hanuman's tail will start growing tomorrow, which is when my chipmunks will start on it. I think they do it partly to enjoy themselves, and partly because they want to force me to do another post soon, so that they can move with me to that thread! Lashy made me do the earlier Camelot post yesterday and Mandy made me do this one, and so they always have new threads to rummage in!😉

I am glad you wrote in here. Your comment on the Sunlight on a butterfly's wings thread was, as I had mentioned in my response to you on the thread before that one, very beautiful in both the language and the content. I wanted to respond to it on the proper thread, but now I cannot locate it in those 64 pages! If you have the page number, do let me know.

As for Jodha's expression of yesterday, my reading of it was confirmed completely today, was it not? She smiled so sweetly, obviously happy and at peace with herself and the world, when the Sheikh finished his prophecy. One has to interpret such guarded expressions in context.

Now the tantalising question is whether she has really guessed what Jalal wished for. His lips were not moving, so he was making his wish soundlessly, so she could not have actually heard it, could she? Anyhow, with her, even the cliched dupatta-biting-and-running-away routine looks fresh and charming, very likely because it is the first time we are seeing her doing such a thing.

The other question is of what sort of aam aadmi is Jalal planning to be when Ruqaiya has brought along 2 baandis, the unfortunate Hoshiyaar, and a whole khema? And if she had a khema at hand, why did she not have a spread to put on the hay?

I also do not understand why travelling as an aam aadmi has to mean sleeping in ramshackle barns. Why can they not stay in a proper sarai, modestly but in relative comfort. An aam aadmi does not have to be literall on the roads! Next, the seth looks prosperous enough, so why can he not have some ready cash for buying provisions for dinner? How long is he planning to live off Jodha's head ornaments (for the necklace, bangles and earrings are gone, to pay the jaziya.

The whole scenario is plain cuckoo. It is aimed, in the first half, solely at promoting the Jalal-Jodha relationship, and now at sketching out for Jalal the skills he will have to acquire to balance his 2 khaas begums. Plus being a comedy track, such as in Ruqaiya's roti-making session.

One thing is for sure. This track in not going to end for a while yet. No jaziya abolition announcement on Monday!

As for the controversy about Jalal not vetoing Jodha's sleeping outside, 'nuff said about that already!😉

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 11 years ago
#69
Dearest Vanilla-E-Mint,

If you note, all the nuskas I have researched on are Unani. Our boy wonder can and I'm triply sure WILL get that tonnage off him in the near future. I guess its an unwelcome accumulation precipitated by eight stitches in the foot and the ananatsanyasan pose he was forced to strike. I see you sympathising with the jung that was shaken off its beloved S on Valentine's day eve, and your mentions on the Flying Shamsheer baazi. But I think the frames had to be shaken to add that extra illusion of speed that our boy wonder is still finding difficult to generate because of the tenderness of the foot...

By digressed...

My point is , my research was all for the Shehenshah-E-Hind..who in those times did not have the benefits of Dietitians and hi-tech gyms. To top that I hear both his begums have started competeing in serving him gluten of the pure variety 😳
Only solace..the Foot-work will do him good..i assume...without any fetish 😳

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Lehar-e-Mahtaab,


A dose of diplomacy is called for here.😉 If you suggest to our boy wonder that he is obese, he is likely to take refuge in denial - What me, obese? Not on your life! A tad pleasantly plump, maybe, and I am working on that, thank you!

Besides, he is not obese. Just needs to shed about15-20 pounds. A professional would get that off in 2 months,

Shyamala

Edited by Moontide - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Tripti my sweet,

Now I am convinced that for all that you kids never complain about it, my posts ARE too long, so long that your attention wanders from time to time and you miss chunks of the text.

How else would you have forgotten, with reference to your comment @blue, the part of my post , in the Sangini in the making segment, which read as follows?😉

Jodha is also learning the essential art of coaxing Jalal to do what she wants, instead of haranguing him about it. Though Todar Mal has refused to take his guest, Badal , with him to fight the dacoits, when his wife is weeping in an agony of apprehension about him, Jodha wants Jalal, who is standing there in sullen anger, arms crossed across his chest, to go to his aid.

But she does not know if he will want to do so, given his visible anger about something she does not as yet understand. So, instead of asking him openly, she looks at him over here shoulder, in a fleeting look of mute entreaty. It registers, and though he looks as angry as before, Jalal nods and moves off.

So where was the need for you to add that at all? It was the same with the palki scene, about which I wrote (and later told Adiana that we seemed to be telepathic!):

Again, when Todar Mal offers them a palki for Jodha, she might well, footsore and tired as she must have been from all the unaccustomed hardships of the day before, have longed for that bit of comfort. But she knows that Jalal would not want to be beholden to Todar Mal for anything more, and so she turns the offer down gracefully.

It is equally touching that Jalal too does not jump the gun and refuse the offer on his own; he gives her the choice in the matter, whatever his own reservations might be. I was delighted with both of them!

You are forgiven in advance for forgetting, or never reading these passages, for one cannot read 5 pages plus with unwavering attention, can one?😉

Lastly, soulmate bonding sounds lovely and lyrical, but this sort of thing is what any well adjusted and caring couple do for each other. Soulmate bonding is a far stronger term, which we should reserve for future use.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

^ I loved that bit too, and was just about to add that to my post. 😊

The way Jalal immediately stands in front of Jodha to shield her from any possible intruder ( for after such teasing closeness am sure he did think of TodarMal to be an intruder , and well, he is an Emperor after-all. 😉)

Jalal has always been extremely protective & furiously possessive of Jodha, even when she was not his wife! Too many instances show us that.

So while this was charming, it was not the least bit un-expected, like the way Jodha holds Jalal's hands & gently makes him take a seat beside her on that log of wood ( how tough do you think it would be, to take a bulky Rajat's weight? 😆)

My very favourite bit which I forgot to add in , God knows how was, at TM's residence when TM's wife ( really ill-suited lady, I hope they change her or don't show her) is praying to Krishna-jee & Jodha turns around with a troubled, apprehensive look ( since Jalal has just told her what crimes he holds his host for) and Jalal, with anger all over his face, silently strides off to help TodarMal.

Beautiful. 😳 The 4th instance to show their Soul-Mate bond.

Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago

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