5 Feb JA-JO 'I realize I have a heart that beats for you, Jodha!'

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Sandhya.A

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Posted: 11 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: lashy

I actually loved it Sandhya...
Jodha was her calm self, as her soul...no bhaashan no taunts...nothing...just calm resignation to her fate...after all, she's there on Earth till he's there for her...warna, she finds no sense in her living ...she still has not understood it's love, but she knows she has a reason to live only if he's there for her...😃

He as the shehenshah and as a grief stricken husband was a beautiful medley of both...he didn't want anyone seeing his innermost feelings...his thoughts...his broken down state
the previous time he broke down was alone in the dargah and now alone in her chamber...absolutely loved the commanding manner in which he dismissed everyone before he could bare-all in front of her...
Even as he's losing her, the man in him hasn't lost his will to fight (be it against fate or even death) and it's this never say die attitude, this fight...that brought her back to him...not the mushy I love you bit...
It's this 'I ORDER you NOT to go...I'll fight everything and everyone that stands on my way' that actually moved her...reminded her of the fiery guy she knew and loves...😳

And obviously he'll self-crucify...kyaa yaar it's been barely a day since the episode unfolded...when he'd done much lesser wrongs in the past, he's apologized profusely...
Obviously, he'll apologize and feel guilty for what he's done...and he should...he has wronged her this time...
So what, if she'd wronged him in the past...they're beyond all that now and so is their relationship...
Esp after seeing how Jodha put all his humiliating rebukes behind her to save his life, he owes her at least this much! Otherwise, it wouldn't be true to the character of the guy who was opening his heart out to her during the Tasneem track...😳
Sandhya, this story is of a man who's an emperor to the rest and a lover to Jodha...hai na...so, that's what they're trying to portray! 😃

I told you I don't know where I felt let down. Everything was perhaps in place but the final ensemble struck odd. Much like the awaam ki dua gift. All his self crucifying is fine. It is his nature. It is this jeene ka maqsad that didn't fit. When have they ever taken each other's words seriously to wish not to live by his bitter words. If words could hurt them seriously they should both be bleeding all over now. They have spoken the worst things so far. As I didn't relate to the premises I couldn't relate to the proceedings however well executed and enacted.

That is where I found yesterday's scruples tears and despair touching and today's dramatic and out of place.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#42

beautiful post the best episode of jodha akbar & rajat paridhi was amazing today all AkDha scenes touched me compare to previous episodes of all jodha akbar team great job

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ngayou

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Posted: 11 years ago

#43

Hi Lashy, good to see ur post again. Seems the epi has really moved u 😊 . But I wasnt as pleased with today s epi as much as I was with yday s one. Everything was there today, right feelings, dialogues etc & the leads were as usual superb but still something didnt click for me.

The first scene was a good watch & Jalal seeking comfort from Hamida was such a pleasant sight. Hope the mother/ son bonding grows. I atleast was getting sick of MA s fake consolation to Jalal every time 😡 , & dont say it wasnt fake. She's no well wisher of Jalak however much they show that she does nt want to see Jalal die 😡 .

And the last scene was a good scene too but still it didnt impact me well enough. Dont ask me why, I cant explain exactly what feels wrong just like Sandhya s said, but today s epi just left me with mixed feelings. 😕 .

And my poor Ruqqu, 2 din bhi nahi hua & phir se they r bent on making her a vamp again 😭 😭 . Enough said I think, dont want to spoil ur pleasure in the epi.

PS: yellow froth from the mouth, sach mein JA s so unique in this I say 🤣. And its unique also in that usually thee female lead does the rona dona & the various mannats & prayers etc etc, but here our male lead does it ( that too superlatively , thank God). Sorry, couldn't resist commenting on the TRP drama 😉 😆 )

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Shraddha

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Posted: 11 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: kmmdesai
Hi Shraddha,
Beautiful post and a beautiful episode.😃
I am still touched by it and definitely going to watch it again and again.

Jalal's despair of losing Jodha, his stubbornness, his anger at Jodha for almost dying and anger at himself for letting it happen, his love, his shensha-ism, his orders for Jodha to come back to him, his realization that he is incomplete without her.. everything so nicely potrayed.
Exactly! 😳

His dialog that "there is no you and me anymore., it is only us" struck a chord. I am eagerly waiting for Jodha to get up and take him to task for not believing her. Then, and then to give him a tight hug and make everything alright. 😳
Awww...I don't if its going to be that rosy..but, let's see...😛
Love
Kshithi

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Shraddha

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Posted: 11 years ago

#45

Thanks babycakes, aanchal, luna and jodah 🤗

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sashashyam

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Posted: 11 years ago

#46

Lashy my dear,

I have marked in blue the parts that I particularly liked in this beautiful and highly emotional post.

The point you have made about Mahaam, who was, for the last 2 episodes, like the dog in the night time in the Sherlock Holmes story Sliver Blaze ( which did nothing, which was the curious incident noted by Holmes) , is very relevant.

It was really a first. But do not write her off any time soon. Ashwini has surely got a 400 episode contract at the very least, plus they cannot afford to lose their primary villain so early in the tale.

Your account of Jalal dragging Jodha back from the threshold of the other world by sheer force of will, rather like Orpheus bringing his dead wife Eurydice back from Hades, the netherworld, is as moving as the scene itself.

I was so pleased that you did not see all that Jalal said and did there as overly sentimental or mawkish or weak. I too thought that scene was both necessary and surprisingly well written.

As for the delivery, Rajat was pitch perfect throughout, his angry stubbornness a counterpoint to his baring of his desperate need to her, humein aapki zaroorat hai.

But my dear, you have inadvertently left out the single most important affirmation that Jalal made, and this on behalf of Jodha as well. Hum donon ka wajood ab ek doosre se hai, aapke bina hum nahin, hamare bina aap nahin.

This is the core, the essence of their present relationship, whether it is acknowledged by her or not. As I had written in my post of earlier today about the last episode 166,

He is really praying, as much and perhaps more so, for himself, for his own emotional survival.For he now knows, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that if his Jodha Begum were to die, something vital in him would die with her, that he would never be whole again. That he would be but a shadow of himself, crippled inside, and crushed under a lifelong burden of corrosive regret...

...What has been said of Jalal above is equally true of Jodha. She does not merely seek to sacrifice her life for her pati. She also seeks to protect herself from the arid marubhoomi (desert) that she now knows that her life would be without him, even if he were to continue to ignore her and despise her. Yes, she would be no more, but that would, for her, be preferable to surviving without him.

The real motive of the one is the mirror image of the motive of the other.

I was also admiring the way Rajat used his eyes and his voice in the scene just before he goes to the awaam, and then of course his voice while speaking to the people. As he waits for the Hakim sahiba, his eyes are clear but the hidden fear lurking in them is visible, and his voice is hoarse and strained. After he has spoken to her, his eyes look desolate and even more hopeless, and the hoarse voice is even hoarser as he instructs Atgah Khan to summon the awaam to meet him.

While addressing the people, his voice becomes almost suspended, but there are no tears. His grief is not for public consumption, not even for his immediate family, bar his Ammijaan. The two takhliyas he utters to clear Jodha's sickroom, the second, in an unchanged tone, for Ruqaiya, are the last word in absolute authority.

A great actor needs to be able to use his voice like a fine tuned instrument, and his eyes as well. Rajat can do both.

Now to see what happens in the real world, as opposed to what happened on the very threshold of the parlok. The impression I got from what Moti said was that Jodha had regained consciousness and that Jalal was actually talking to her. I wonder if that is what was happening.

It will be so refreshing if they actually have a sane, warm and understanding conversation. Perhaps that would be too much to expect.

And yes, the Hakim sahiba's sudden turn as a (medieval) shrink was pretentious nonsense; how on earth would she know anything at all about Jodha, not to speak of something so intimate and sensitive?

Jodha was dying of very strong poison (Benazir must have spat out all the venom she could summon up, just to make sure the dose worked), and since the effective treatment started so late, her body could not fight the poison well enough. That is all.

Jodha mentioning Jalal's harsh comments during the soul talk scene (for want of a better term) is one thing. For the hakim to suddenly start spouting such psychiatrist jargon was way too much.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy
Yes, this episode brought me back 😃
Here's to all my Akdha lovers🤗

JODHA'S HOJRA
Its the tiny things in life, the light-hearted moments - that morphs what can be called 'mere existence' into 'life' - these are the first memories one would recollect and miss when one fears the loss of a loved one - especially when the ONE in question is as special like 'Jodha Begum' is to Shehenshah!

Jalal is casually passing by her hojra, when he remembers her taanaa! How could he not? Its not the grandiose jashans and the lavish affairs with her that he wants to recall. Its these bitter-sweet moments from the short history that they've both shared together that comes to his mind first!
Unbeknown to him, he slips inside her hojra - his face swinging between shock and despair as he does so!
Subconsciously, he follows her 'orders' and removes his shoes too! Obviously, because he'd envisaged an event from their past where Jodha had chided him for not removing his shoes during her Pooja 'This habit of cross-questioning me...' he'd told her 'I get annoyed by it just as much as I enjoy being a victim of it!' It was such a relief to have the old teasing, exasperating Jalal back for a while!

'Done your bit?' she'd retorted then 'Taunted me for the day?'

And then Voila! The vision disappears...what a stark contrast the bright yellow warm room becomes thereafter - turning into one of dark cold blue!

Jalal then stopping the diya from extinguishing and performing the aarti was a very touching scene - but, what moved me even more was the recollection of how he'd used Jodha's guidance to pray in front of the Lord! Yesterday, it was his Sajda visions at the Dargah and today the namaste visions in front of Kanha's mandir!

It just goes to show that as much as 'recognition of dil' and 'forgoing ghrina' is a part of Jodha and Jalal's love story 'unity/acceptance of two religions by two influential royals' plays an important part in this journey too! 😊

Hameeda Banu watching him and understanding his plight is just as touching. All these days, when Jalal used to be in despair, it was MA who used to follow him closely and be by his side. Now that he's at his lowest, MA is amiss - it's HB by his side.

Though they haven't really shown a realization of sorts, Jalal hasn't even sought the presence of his usual emotional crutch! Had Benazir's words influenced him so much?
It is more because he wants someone who cares for Jodha as he does, and Mahaam would hardly qualify, would she? Then again, he does not seek out Hamida, she happens to see him in Jodha's hoojra.

Could this be a turning point - an indication of slightly strained ties between Jalal-MA and the growing bond between HB-Jalal? Definitely hope so! 🤔 It would be wise not to get one's hopes up too much on this.

RUQAIYYA
Whenever she gets through these brief phases of sensibility - she uses Hoshiyaar as her punching bag - and I mean, literally!😆

JODHA'S TREATMENT
Jalal's watching of Jodha's painful-to-witness treatment is much like the tormented family peeping through the window of an ICU today - watching the frail body of their loved one being injected by needles - inserted with tubes and surrounded by medical equipment! Its agonizing!
Jalal's expressions reflected this anguish perfectly - after the first glimpses, he never looked up again as he spoke to the Hakim Sahiba! He just wasn't able to!

Needless to say, his speech to the awaam - though brief - was still heart-tugging!
My additional comments on both these scenes above

JODHA- JALAL - THE MIGHTY CONFESSION
'She doesn't want to fight this battle any more...she seems to have no will to live' said the Hakim
'Takhliya' he says thereafter - followed by a sterner order to Ruqaiyya - his voice not letting go of his commanding tone despite the calamitous situation he was in.

'Open your eyes Jodha Begum...' he tearfully orders her lifeless body once everyone leaves 'I said open your eyes...don't leave me alone!'

He then envisions the scenario - like as though he was stopping her departing soul from entering death's door! He envisions her vanishing soul questioning him on those very statements he'd made earlier - about not wanting to see her ever again! Obviously, its his profound guilt coming into play here. Not only was he distraught that she'd risked her life to save him, that he'd not believed her, but that he'd said those belittling statements a few days ago!
Those ego-driven rebukes of his held no weight whatsoever, but they'd definitely come back to hit him very hardly!

He then imagines holding the hand of her departing profile - and her asking him why he was doing so
'You were the one who said you never wanted to see my face again...' Jodha's soul tells him calmly 'Not even if I shut my eyes forever...so let me go...I did what I had to do! I've fulfilled my duty...I am happy...I'm satisfied...content...that I have saved your life...'

'I wouldn't let you go...' he refutes emotionally - trying to put on as brave a face as he could 'You've always been stubborn and had your way...but this time you HAVE to listen to me...I know I said that I never wanted to see you again...but, the truth remains that whenever I close my eyes I see only you...I might profess to hate you, but in my heart-of-hearts what I have for you is love..Allah Kasam...the truth is that I have a heart and you've made me realize I have one...you have no right to break it thus and leave...if you leave, then I will' and he chokes on his words, unable to finish the line!

A heart touching confession indeed and couldn't have come in a better manner, in a better form, through better lines or at a better time!
Obviously, true to his status - despite knowing his limits - he 'ORDERS' her soul NOT TO LEAVE - alas, even HE has to resign to the will of the Lord!

His words beyond this stage were spoken like that of a mighty yet desperate...egoistic yet helpless mad-man - one who had everything in his power, BUT the power to change one's fate!
His 'I will die if you will die' His 'I will fight anyone, but not let you go' Savitri-like stance His 'I will NOT accept defeat even against God' was like a possessed tantrum his heart was throwing - a silent utterance that only her soul could hear. Not even his confession of love moved her as much as his aggrieved outburst - literally moving her 'soul' to tears!
It was then that she'd decided that life on Earth - with HIM - did hold something more positive for her.

How fitting that it was this very bitter sweet charge of the husband she always knew was what she could relate to - even more than the mohabbat revelation! How beautiful that this 'bare-all human' manner of Shehenshah brought back the first signs of 'life' in Jodha - the very Jodha who had been reduced to mere 'existence'...the very Jodha who had nearly lost her will to live! Optimism prevailed! Love conquered! My comments on this above.

This episode was a complete circle and beautifully executed in every aspect.
What's not to love?

PRECAP
Ruqaiyya back to her old self - not even one episode CVs? NOT EVEN ONE? 😆

Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago

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Posted: 11 years ago

#47

Lashy🤗

aaj main bahut khush hoon...😭

Me tooo!!!

the first scene when Jalal enters Jodha's hojra remembering their initial days after marriage...the present Jalal cursing his old self for being rude to Jodha, he misses the nok-jhoks terribly ! then he sits down and does aarti, recalls how Jodha prays, follows her and prays for her life.

HB-Jalal scene was beautiful...Jalal hugs HB, only his own mother could give him the very solace he needed that moment.❤️

Yup!

then comes to Jodha BBQ scene ! dont want to comment much...😆

OMGGG what a funny name you've chosen! 😆😆

but I think those days aise hi poison nikalte the which is heart breaking to watch ! Jalal's heart broke into pieces watching Jodha like that !! yes, he couldnt look at her twice, spoke to Hakim Sahiba, walked off to talk toriyaya..small speech coz he was unable to talk, his voice was broken, how could he let hisriyaya watching his broken-self ? he is the emperor, he is supposed to be strong...thus, requested dua for Jodha and left in hurry !

I know...

I was so happy to see Shaguni Bai after a long long time !!

Nahi re..ainvayi she was time waste karing..I'd have preferred watching mainawati or bharmal in place of her...

Jalal dispersing everyone from Jodha's chamber once Hakim Sahiba reveals Jodha lost the will to live..Jalal knew what he needs to do...Ruqu thought she doesn't fall in the takhliyacategory...hence Jalal had to takhliya again to make her understand he wants to spend sometime with his Jodha Begum..no one is allowed here ! NO ONE. I clapped when he takhliyadRuqu and Ruqu's face...😆 dear Ruqu, when it comes to Jodha, Jalal doesn't give a damn to anyone..and u also fall in this "anyone" category..😎 it is only him and her.

ROFL...

the SOUL-TALK..jitna bolu utna hi kam hoga...Jodha's words shows how deeply hurt she was with his harsh words to her..but then what Jalal said was straight from his heart, a man madly in love begging his love to come back...coz she is the reason for him to live..she is the one who compelled his heart to beat, she is the one why he is still alive..she just made him indebted forever...she cannot go away leaving him alone..she just cannot..he will turn the world upside down, he will fight against kismat but he will bring her back..he is determined..kyukii dono ke wajood ek doosre se hai...❤️ she had to give up ! she was so moved by his genuineness, his desperation his determination, his love that she couldn't hold it back...she has to live a long life with "her" and only "her" Jalal❤️

Very beautifully said Tamy...🤗

precap: Ruqu back to square one. I predicted 2 epis..2 epis khatam...🤪

2 epis bhi nahi hue na...😆

P.S. Hoshiyar loves to get thappads from Ruqu I guess😆

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Shraddha

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Posted: 11 years ago

#48

@ Sandhya and Gayatri

Ahaaa... now I get it...Its her 'let me die Shehenshah I have no reason to live' and his 'If you die, I die' Shakespearean love confessions that felt like a sudden jump from yesterday?

I felt that way when I heard the live update on WA, but when I saw it I understood why it fell in place😃

There is a major difference between the words they'd said months ago and now...their relationship had progressed to quite a bit right up to the shove. Yes, on the shove night - HE gave it the 'Attraction' status and SHE the 'Friendly Shehenshah' status. Neither called it 'love'..but, it was very well on the pathway to it!😊

What the shove did to Jalal, his words of 'close your eyes forever and I'll not come to see you' did to her! The earlier Shehenshah would have pinned her against the wall in a drunken state and shouted into her ears had she pushed him such - this guy just cloned/mutated whatever!😆

The earlier Jodha would have just taane maaroofied him till no tomorrow, but this one was just silenced by his words - completely!😊

Just like how we've seen slow realization of Jalal's love for her through his many actions (and yes its bound to be a longer spectacle since his attraction for her has been since day 1) we've seen her realization in the past two months too! Granted, its been marred by Benazir's ashubh presence, but then how many times has she fumed 'Why am I jealous of Benazir' how many times has she cried in front of Kanha 'I don't care if he punishes me or takes my life, but I have to save him!'

How many times has Mothi asked/told her about this mohabbat awakening in her - in fact, the last time she barely even refuted it...

So when she's not too far from her confession herself - then when the man she loves - the man who is her identity (as was the standard then, apart from the romantic angle), her sowbhagya chinna says he doesn't care EVEN if she dies... obviously, that leaves her with little to relish in life. Granted, she's not going to jump off a cliff after hearing those words of his, but now that she's risked her life trying to protect his...she has no will to come back to Earth/to life/to him...

Here too she sugar-coated it with the kartavya word...but, that imp word made us remember she's still true to her character!

As for his realization of discovering his heart and mohabbat - well it was bound to happen sooner rather than later. He's already felt chest pains, wondered why she haunts him even when he supposedly hates her, can't have a physical relationship with anyone else even if he tries etc etc...😆

So, all he needed was something small to push him to realize this - but, this was BIG!! As big as it gets...,he'd mistaken her and realized she was saying the truth all along and remembered how he'd humiliated her and realized how she'd risked her life to save his... and now probably dying as a result of it! Too much for the emotional lad to take...😆

Also, if he doesn't realize/confess at a person's near-death bed then when will he😭? It all fell in place because of the Hakim's word's before she left - remember she clearly says before leaving 'It seems like the queen has lost the will to live...she's not fighting for life' she doesn't say the medicines are not working!

He understands its because of his actions against her that she's lost the will to live... that's precisely what she'd stated before sipping that poison yesterday 'Even if you hate me for this...even if you don't see me again, I can't stand by and watch you die...so I bid farewell!'

That's quite telling, isn't it?

Btw, his 'Ill die if you die' was more like an angry possessed man telling his lover 'You jump, I'll jump too' when we know he's not going to literally do that...after all, there are many many other lives dependant on him..

but, it definitely does mean that a big part of him dies with her - maybe the BIGGEST! most of the lines he made during that paragraph were heavy strung emotional blackmail that can't happen/wouldn't happen in reality - like 'I'll fight against fate if I have to...but, I wouldn't let you leave...'

well, technically he can't fight fate can he? That tantrumy behaviour of his was basically for Jodha's soul to see the extent of his 'junoon' nothing else!

and Sandhya, him calling her from pearly gates - is very much on par with the serial drama-wise - where the very start is two spirits talking to each other...after all historical epic romance will construe such things and more... 😆

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LoveRomance0

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Welcome back Lashy. I have been searching the forum for ur daily analysis for past few days 😊 Great analysis and episode all in all. I am hoping that if CVs continue in this vein I will watch all the episodes in one go over the weekend and that would be a blast 😊

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Shraddha

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@ Aunty

The point you have made about Mahaam, who was, for the last 2 episodes, like the dog in the night time in the Sherlock Holmes story Sliver Blaze ( which did nothing, which was the curious incident noted by Holmes) , is very relevant.

It was really a first. But do not write her off any time soon. Ashwini has surely got a 400 episode contract at the very least, plus they cannot afford to lose their primary villain so early in the tale.

Oh yes... I only mean the first signs of a strain in the relationship...this rarely means it'll break off any time soon in serial ki duniyaa!

Your account of Jalal dragging Jodha back from the threshold of the other world by sheer force of will, rather like Orpheus bringing his dead wife Eurydice back from Hades, the netherworld, is as moving as the scene itself.
Thanks...
I was so pleased that you did not see all that Jalal said and did there as overly sentimental or mawkish or weak. I too thought that scene was both necessary and surprisingly well written.

As for the delivery, Rajat was pitch perfect throughout, his angry stubbornness a counterpoint to his baring of his desperate need to her, humein aapki zaroorat hai.
True aunty!😃

But my dear, you have forgotten the single most important affirmation that Jalal made, and this on behalf of Jodha as well. Hum donon ka wajood ab ek doosre se hai, aapke bina hum nahin, hamare bina aap nahin.

This is the core, the essence of their present relationship, whether it is acknowledged by her or not. As I had written in my post of earlier today about the last episode 166,

The real motive of the one is the mirror image of the motive of the other.

Actually aunty, it didn't strike me thus till you put it that way...beautifully put aunty! 😳

A great actor needs to be able to use his voice like a fine tuned instrument, and his eyes as well. Rajat can do both.

Rajat can do ALL...😛

I think most of us are waiting with bated breath as to what's to happen! 😕

It will be so refreshing if they actually have a sane, warm and understanding conversation.

Oh yes Aunty! 🤗