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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: deejagi

Jalal is acting on impulse, he is so reastless that he doesn't even registering what he has been doing or saying to that matter. The way he said "it has become an habit for Jodha to be proved wrong" was like in a low voice that hinted "why are you doig like this time and agin and being food for everyone's criticism. When I told you I am keeping an eye on all the intruders sorry foreign delegates, why are you troubling yourself and also me in the process. How long I can suppress the anger of others for my indifference?



how can an Emperor afford to be such brainless dumb fool?

when he said that, (in blue), doesn't he remember that in the end always she was proved right and him wrong. so atleast if he believes her, then can't he pacify her by telling that he knows abt it and so is planning to expose Ben, just that Jo should trust him and stay calm. I m sure, if he consoles her like this , Jo will surely understand...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha



hi Abhay, can u give more details abt it?



hi. I wrote this statement just to support mansi's reply where she said an emperor can also make mistakes. And its natural..

Its not that jalal did not make political blunders... He did.. And 'till now', the best is battle of paronkh.

Ok. I dont remember complete episode. But this much that in this war jalal acted in a ''fit of rage'' , and, without much preparations, proceeded on that war. He took only 200 men, read rajputs, with him to fight against 4000 people... 😲..

Result was u know.. Bhagwan das saved him.. And also a relative of ameris was killed in this battle defending akbar...they did not show this on the show...

@mansi... So u have got one more proof of ameri's loyalty...

Continue...which king would do so.?. He should have thought more... I know this is going to be debatable.. But i am going to elaborate more on this on my threads in a day. I have a query on this pending there.
Right now this much info... Hope it works..
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha



how can an Emperor afford to be such brainless dumb fool?

when he said that, (in blue), doesn't he remember that in the end always she was proved right and him wrong. so atleast if he believes her, then can't he pacify her by telling that he knows abt it and so is planning to expose Ben, just that Jo should trust him and stay calm. I m sure, if he consoles her like this , Jo will surely understand...

Diksha, it looks like he is going to all lengths to just prove to himself that he feels nothing for Jodha. The more he tries to hide from the truth, the more crackpot he ends up sounding!
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: deejagi

Mansi, hats off for your great analysis of yesterday's episode. Here is my bit.

I don't find any reason to blame Moti here though it hurts a lot to accept the fact. When Jodha told her about Ben being the Vishkanya, the previous night, Moti did believe her and stayed all night with her in front to Ruqu's hojra just to catch Jalal before he leaves the place. When she has been proved innocent (every one in the DEK believed it that if she were a VK, the Zakira would have died immediately on drinking the reminder of the milk. And that would have been the case had Ben had surplus stock of Snakes to have her daily quota, but for Jodha's bad luck, she had run out of snakes and had not taken her breakfast in the morning and her dinner was well digested and had flushed. So she didn't had enough poison in her system, which could have reacted immediately on Zakira. Had the DEK continued for some more time, every one would have realized the truth in Jodha's words, but luck always run short for the heroines and villains will uproar with momentary victory. Since nothing happened to Zakira, Ben was proved innocent and that was the real fact which was open for all to believe. So what is wrong in Moti believing that. As we know, Jodha had not taken her alongwith her, when she followed ben (why I don't know still, when she can drag Moti with her to her meetings with Jalal, why not when she followed Ben, knowing well that she is a spy & hatyar?), so Moti has no first hand information on Ben's diet. Had Jodha not witnessed Ben having her refil with her own eyes, even she would have accepted what ever has been happened in the DEK. Did she not accpted the theory of Humshakal in the MC track till uch time MA herself confirmed the truth later??????? So please don't vent your anger on Moti or Hamida to that matter.

I think MA has realised that there should be some sort of truth in Jodha's words even if not up to the fact that ben is a VK, she is a threat to Jalal's life. Maham is one person who has known always that whenever Jodha accuses some one, then it was always true but unfortunately never she had proofs. She had accused MA being the culprit in MC track and how true that was and then she blamed Shareefuddin in Ratangar fort issue and even that turned out tobe the truth, though she could not prrove her case in time. She had blammed Adham about his involvement in Moti case as well as Tasnem case, which were yet again the truth but she was proved wrong. So with her experience, she had realized that the birds ill fly soon and seen them vacating Agra palance in silence. "May be she would have witnessed Zakira roling around with the aftermath effect of poison in her room & Ben giving her the antidot. She would have heard them also talking about how they need to run out of Agra like Milka Singh to save their lives as Jodha will not sit quiet and will try to dig more details." So she will make BEn drop at her feet and will use her to hes advantage of dethroning Jodha from Agra fort. For this she would have asked Ben to go and plead with Jalal to allow them to leave Agra as no one will believe her innocence here and all are looking at her as if she is a creature(to taht exent).

MA might support this by brining in Resham as a witness or allow Resham to spread the news in the harem (similar o Jodha's fake pregnancy case).

With all this Ruqu will for sure flare up and might demand Jalal to give justice to Ben by marrying her. Wheh she was quoting 'n' number of reason for king to marry, she did add the point 'political reason or to strengthen the sultanate' a clear reason which has been sighted in case of Jodha's wedding (to the world). So Jalal would be compelled to agree to marry Ben theough the reason quoted here will be "the jealous & insecurity of Jodha". In her fit a rage, without realizing what she is telling (or may be with full sense), she might tell him that since it is the fault of Jodha, that Jalal has to marry a Bhandi, as a punishment to Jodha, Jodha's place has to be given to Ben...We saw JOdha in tears in the precap, she would not have had tears just only because Jalal had to mrry Ben, there is more to it.

Jalal is acting on impulse, he is so reastless that he doesn't even registering what he has been doing or saying to that matter. The way he said "it has become an habit for Jodha to be proved wrong" was like in a low voice that hinted "why are you doig like this time and agin and being food for everyone's criticism. When I told you I am keeping an eye on all the intruders sorry foreign delegates, why are you troubling yourself and also me in the process. How long I can suppress the anger of others for my indifference?

I just hope atleast with all this, Jodha will realize the necessity for proof before putting forth her case in public.

Jaya Moti more than anyone knows Jo from childhood...even if every one believed false evidence of Zakira being alive Moti should have known that Jo will never lie...Jo is repeating again and again that she saw Ben consuming poison with her own eyes...Why is it so hard for her to believe her mistress beoz of whom she is alive?

Again if you think Jallu is investigating matter and doubting Ben then you are wrong...He doesn't have any doubt on her at all...Infact what was the need to call DEK meeting abt Ben if he was doubting her...He could have done his investigation privately...He called DEK meeting just to prove Jodha wrong and humiliate her publicly which he has been doing for quitea while...

Again what proof can Jo get abt Ben being a vish kanya? None...It is a good thing that she warned Jallu even if she became laughing stock of DEK...If Jallu has mind he will pay attention to Jo's warning...Now even Ben is hesitating to bite Jallu becoz of her raaz out in the open...




Edited by elasingh - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



hi. I wrote this statement just to support mansi's reply where she said an emperor can also make mistakes. And its natural..

Its not that jalal did not make political blunders... He did.. And 'till now', the best is battle of paronkh.

Ok. I dont remember complete episode. But this much that in this war jalal acted in a ''fit of rage'' , and, without much preparations, proceeded on that war. He took only 200 men, read rajputs, with him to fight against 4000 people... 😲..

Result was u know.. Bhagwan das saved him.. And also a relative of ameris was killed in this battle defending akbar...they did not show this on the show...

@mansi... So u have got one more proof of ameri's loyalty...

Continue...which king would do so.?. He should have thought more... I know this is going to be debatable.. But i am going to elaborate more on this on my threads in a day. I have a query on this pending there.
Right now this much info... Hope it works..

Thanks Abhay. You are a goldmine of information!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: skanda12

Accha, folks see I want toask you all to check this theory I have of why Zakira did not show the poison effects in the DEK yesterday and only got the effects in the room later.

See if you agree with such a theory as I have written below? Is it feasible like this? Because I am desperate to know how Zakira had such delayed after-effects!
My theory:
Jalal was making a mistake in the method of testing ... it was not the right testing method for a vishkanya.
As far as I can understand, a vishkanya has poison in her veins, in her blood. And also I think when her poison spreads into other people's veins and blood they die instantly. But they may not die instantly if they are merely touching the poison without the poison entering their blood stream instantly.
For example if a snake poison is mixed in milk it may not make us die instantly, because it has to get digested by out stomachs and get into the blood stream to make us die. So the results may be a little belated. But if the snake was to bite us (or vishkanya ws to bite us) and inject the poison into our blood stream directly via the bite then we may die instantly.
I think something like that happened yesterday. Since it was mixed in food, it had to get digested before it started showing effects. But in the case of the sipahi whom ben gave a bite on his lips, he died instantly.

Mansi, Whatever the test they conducted was OK, but to their good luck and to Jodha's bad luck Ben had no poison in her stream to make zakira die instantly. Moreover, since Zakir had to stay with the vishkanya all the time (24/7/365) my be she had been administred mild doses of poison sinc eher childhood to keep her prepared for the eventualities like this. Hab Ben had her dose in the morning, for sure Zakira would have had the reactions, if not instatntly, but by the end of DEK. ben's saliva would have been good enough to kill a person, she need not have to bite them. A mere kiss (open mouth kiss) would have sent Jalal to his heavenly Abode, there was no need for her to bite him.
I am trying to recollect the book name (and even authours name) where I had read that with the mere breath of a Vishkanya, the fruits and floweres were be rotten. This one was from the history of Chanakya, the minister of Mauryas & Amathya Rakshsa, teh minister of Nanda's.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



hi. I wrote this statement just to support mansi's reply where she said an emperor can also make mistakes. And its natural..

Its not that jalal did not make political blunders... He did.. And 'till now', the best is battle of paronkh.

Ok. I dont remember complete episode. But this much that in this war jalal acted in a ''fit of rage'' , and, without much preparations, proceeded on that war. He took only 200 men, read rajputs, with him to fight against 4000 people... 😲..

Result was u know.. Bhagwan das saved him.. And also a relative of ameris was killed in this battle defending akbar...they did not show this on the show...

@mansi... So u have got one more proof of ameri's loyalty...

Continue...which king would do so.?. He should have thought more... I know this is going to be debatable.. But i am going to elaborate more on this on my threads in a day. I have a query on this pending there.
Right now this much info... Hope it works..



thanks.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: elasingh

Jaya Moti more than anyone knows Jo from childhood...even if every one believed false evidence of Zakira being alive Moti should have known that Jo will never lie...Jo is repeating again and again that she saw Ben consuming poison with her own eyes...Why is it so hard for her to believe her mistress beoz of whom she is alive?

Again if you think Jallu is investigating matter and doubting Ben then you are wrong...He doesn't have any doubt on her at all...Infact what was the need to call DEK meeting abt Ben if he was doubting her...He could have done his investigation privately...He called DEK meeting just to prove Jodha wrong and humiliate her publicly which he has been doing for quitea while...

Again what proof can Jo get abt Ben being a vish kanya? None...It is a good thing that she warned Jallu even if she became laughing stock of DEK...If Jallu has mind he will pay attention to Jo's warning...Now even Ben is hesitating to bite Jallu becoz of her raaz out in the open...






exactly my point Ela. I don't think, Jallad has believed a single word of Jo. coz if he, or MA has trusted Jo and started investigations, and all DEK drama is just to keep Ben in dark and then catch her red-handed, then what abt the thing Zee ppl r saying that it will be Jo who will save Jallad?

ok Jallad may say that Jo's accusations made him doubt ben but finally credit of saving him won't be given to Jo saying she had no proofs...


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha



how can an Emperor afford to be such brainless dumb fool?

when he said that, (in blue), doesn't he remember that in the end always she was proved right and him wrong. so atleast if he believes her, then can't he pacify her by telling that he knows abt it and so is planning to expose Ben, just that Jo should trust him and stay calm. I m sure, if he consoles her like this , Jo will surely understand...

Diksha, She has been prove wrong in MC track for blaming MA as the culprit and even today, no one knows that MA was infact the culprit apart from Jodha, MA & Resham.
When she blamed Adham for his involvement in Moti case, she was proved wrong by sho0wing him in Malwa. Even today, everyone believes that was a baseless argument Jodha had on behalf of Moti, except for MA, Resham & Ruqaiya.
Even in case of Shareefuddin, her alligations were rediculed by all and sundry only to be proved truth on a later stage by when every one had forgotten about that incident itself. So if say's she was right in accusing Shareef then, everyone will ask her then how did you believe him now? What was the need for you to maat him in the Jail, that too all alone?
Even in Tasneem case, she was silenced by turning the plates by saying Adham in fact loves Tasneem and wants to marry her and no bad intentions from his side and he doesn't lust her. This was announced in open court and Tasneem parents declared Adham as teh shareef insan.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Jaya if Jallu was smart enough then he would believe SD...becoz SD is in Jail and any wrong information can behead him and right information can set him free...So he would not lie...

again if Jo had not spoken the truth abt Ben , then Ben would have surely bitten Jallu by now...as it is now she is hesitating to bite him becoz things are out in the open...

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