Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 14

Abhay and Komal thank u for answering my question. Had read it back a while ago, but i was too lazy typing a response. Thank u to u both. :)

Originally posted by: KDR81

Hi Syria,😊

Though the Q was for Abhay, but he is jammed up between something so I have to chip in here...
Though official documentation of the earlier meeting is NOT mentioned explicitly....But a very subtle hint is there in Abul Fazl's account in describing the marriage proposal acceptance... 😉
According to certain tales,It is said that he saw her during some
other Raja's festival/marriage where they were both invited...and he was
struck by her unusual beauty...this incident led him to promptly accept
the proposal of marriage as soon as it was given by Chughtai Khan.

Regards,
Kamal
.

OMG..this is great ...Akbar saw her before their merriage 😳 wow such a amazing fact...😳...So i'm wondering CV's adding every bit of true fact...& that gangaur incident too sumwhere connected to this real fact...like in show too he saw her in a gangaur fastival & in real too he saw her in merriage function or sumwhere else...these two incidents sumwht sounds same⭐️⭐️⭐️ interesting..😳 Thank U so much dear🤗 ...

Thanks a lot for all the interesting & rare facts Abhay..👏...Hats off to you dear...

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi Maddy,

Logged in to see AGAIN a tsunami of questions.!😆!.


.from you...On all 4 threads, have your questions
unanswered, due to paucity of time.

BTW, i have answered your question on part3 thread regarding Aurangzeb
destroying evidence about MUZ. See there. I have quoted 1 incident where
Aurangzeb destroyed her idols/temple, during his rule.

😕

Part 2 thread question on Jo-Ja is a LONG subjective question based on their
relation."Fursat" se answer karenge after quoting some incidents.
Need to consult Lizzy and KDR81.



Coming to above questions. WAIT for a few days. All of us are busy now. Will answer . Had
they been objective, would have answered, but they are subjective.

But, still telling one thing. I am quoting some info on Maham and Adham. I
mentioned this in a thread of Mansi.



For time being, Doing a copy paste job from that thread. Again quoting::



Abul Fazl has not directly blamed MA for all those miscarriages events in the
biography.(as far as i remember.) But, he has written indirectly..Infact, he
blames indirectly and praises also indirectly..!!.. Confusing..!!

In Abul Fazl's words EXACTLY , it reads as follows-->>" His
majesty who gave the lady a mother's status was really broken about her role in
him remaining childless.."...

(Lizzy has
mentioned this before in my threads..)



Yes, Jalal got to know of MA real nature...And he will be TOTALLY SHATTERED
knowing it...It's written...

Not sure about the INSTANT when he actually came to know about MA's deeds.

It seems after her death. (Let's see..It should come on show
soon..)



BTW, MA was more cunning than shown in show. She even indulged in
political conspiracies apart from Harem misdeeds, against Jalal..(I do not
know, what type of 'Badi Ammi' she was.?😕

).

Example: She once confided with Md.Baqlani, Adham's father in law, and shared
some secret information...Ref: Akbarnama,V2,P142...



Regarding death, i have following info.

MA died on 40th day of Adham's mourning.(probably 25 june 1562..)

Akbar was very sad on her death.

On her death, he HIMSELF joined the funeral procession, and walked along with
her corpse for some distance...



Later, Akbardid 2 things for her after her death...(Poor chap.! He loved
her honestly and she always conspired against him...Bad Luck...!!.)



1. Got her and her son's joint mausoleum constructed in Delhi..Today it is
called Bhulbhulaiya.

Later a British officer, converted the portion where there original graves were
present, into his dining hall.!!

!!. Then, it was taken over by ASI, and restored. But, MA's
graves were lost.(as per records) Though, even today the board there says -
graves of Adham and Maham.!!..

(Source: ASI)



2. Repaired the mosque which MA had constucted in 1561 in Delhi, in front of
Purana Quila, Mathura Road..Delhi..The mosque still exists. Name -
"Khairu'l-Manazil'l-Masjid".



About Adham's death..



It's mentioned that, he was jealous of Ataga Khan. Also, Munim Khan instigated
Adham against Ataga..!!..So, finally on 16 may 1562, while Ataga, Munim,
shahabuddin and others were in the court busy in some royal business..Adham
enters in angst along with his servants/followers..

First, Adham's servant Khusham attacked at his chest on his signals. As, Ataga
tried to escape,ran towards door, then Khuda Bardi twice struck him with sword.
Finally, he was dead.



Ataga's Tomb is on periphery of village Nizamuddin in Delhi, constructed in red
sandstone. Completed in 1566-67.



Then, how Adham died FINALLY u know...?..

It is again a long story..Though he will die on same day as Ataga..But, even
before dying after some time of Ataga's death, ON SAME DAY, he tried ALL
POSSIBLE TANTRUMS TO HARM JALAL.!!!...



Regarding JA movie - "Non-Sense".

They didn't show even the
war of Amer-Sharifuddin, before Akbar-Heera marriage, which led to capture of
Bharmal's nephews and son.

Where was Ruqayya and others?😕

Even, Akbarnama mentions this war as the reason of marriage
& Chugtai Khan. And, movie ignored all that..!?😕?!

That movie showed their
marriage in poor light, but actual was a very "NICELY ORGANISED WEDDING
CEREMONY"(as per Badayuni & Abul Fazl's chronicles).

Credit KDR81--> Even a few gifts which Akbar received from Amer in
wedding are worth mentioning, which he appreciated as well.(though don't have
the list RIGHT NOW.!)



For other questions...Wait...!...😊

True👍🏼 Show is far better than movie...at least in a show we r getting to know every small bit of info regarding to history...the diff flaws of diff characters...even we r getting the real jalal & his journey frm ruthless jalal to Akbar⭐️⭐️⭐️ nothing in a rush everything is going steady & calmly...so this makes viewers to understand the true facts...movie is movie..the goody goody type jalal & jodha...& no ruku,salima,gulbadan begum,jeeji anga,rahim...but here we got all.. & at the time of movie no1 was so curious to know the history facts..but nw becoz of show..here we r dicussing on every small incident, want to know the truth behind every scene..trying to understand truth behind incidents, & many more...& indeed this is the effect of show...not a only effect but advantage too..⭐️⭐️...& Thanxx to u all buddies...⭐️🤗 I feel very great whenever i came here😳😳

Thanks Abhay, Kamal and Lizzy for all the interesting facts and answering our questions.

Abhay,kamal..can u guys give any information abt mirza hakim frm history? N how was his relationship with akbar? Was it conflicted or not amiable?

Originally posted by: nabiii

Abhay,kamal..can u guys give any information abt mirza hakim frm history? N how was his relationship with akbar? Was it conflicted or not amiable?

Hi nabiii
A lot of forum members have put forth this question especially on Mansi's thread.
BTW, either today or by tomorrow Mirza Hakim will be updated.
For time being, FYI, his relationship was not good with with Akbar.
:)

history geek ...i hav got a new doubt ...i hope tht ull help me out...

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Hi Abhay

Was Mirza Raje Jaisingh (Aurangzeb time) related to Aamer family or Maan Singh in any way?

Mirza Raja Jai Singh -> great grand son of Man Singh.
So, related to Amer family.