How is Jalal better than Adham?

Deepti1808

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: preet_pal320
Jalal in no way forced the marriage. Chugtai Khan is the one who thought up the marriage to help Bharmal. Even Bharmal opposed it initially and then gave in and presented the proposal to Jalal. Jodha herself didn't want to know who her marriage was fixed with.

In fact Jalal is the one who requested munh-dikhayi ceremony, so that Jodha would knowingly marry him. After that shock, her mother and father basically told her their kingdom depended on her and she went through with it, after setting out her conditions only to be approved by Jalal.

Jalal insisted on munh-dikhayi as he got to know that Jodha was unaware that he was her groom. Jalal himself admitted in his thoughts and action that her insulting him and placing a sword on his throat was the main reason for him pursuing her and agreeing to marry her.

@bold: Exactly, she too did not have a choice in the matter. Marry or perish were her only choices. So it was not a marriage she went for willingly but under duress.

Of course we have seen how beautifully their relationship has developed from that point. But the starting point was anything but love and everything to do with force.

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simi28

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Posted: 11 years ago

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It was not Jalaal who forced jodha to marry him but her own father requested Jalaal to marry her. So he can save his kingdom and his people!

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Lana Ghosh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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i agree but that was the only choice left for bharmal to save his sons life n to save his kingdom . jalal did not left any choice for him . bharmal's sons wr under jalal's/ shariff's custody .

directly or indirectly but he was the reason of this forced cum hate marriage

Nope if you read history and watch the show right from the beginning with all possible angles you will know it was not so.

First of all King Bharmal had no say if Jalal had actually taken of all the women to his harem. According to war laws back then any king who defeats the other has the sole rights over every subject, kingdom, assets, palace, wealth and their women included.

It was fortunate that Jalal was already smitten by Jodha and then was burning in the fury of his revenge and so he agreed to the proposal brought by Bharmal! If he had wanted he would have just exploited Jodha and left her to the mercy of her fate and we all know what that fate would have been! And yes that is what Adham Khan would have done for sure if he was in Jalal's place.

Bharmal was a Rajput King, to save himself and his sons he didn't have to do deal with marriage, all the women could have committed 'jauhar' any way if he had come and told them he was defeated and his sons are held captive. He didn't have to put Jodha on the bargain scale but HE DID!! Jalal didn't ask him to but he did on his own will with the help and advice of Chugtai Khan. So NO, I can't accept if you put the whole blame to Jalal just like Jodha did all along. As I said if Jalal wanted he could have got Jodha without marriage. And to top it he followed all her wishes and requests to the core.

And even if I am ignoring the show, go and read the real historical story and you will know who proposed whom and how the marriage took place. Yes Jalal was willing right from the beginning but Jodha wasn't initially. But later on it was a love story of that millennium set against different religion and cultural backdrop. Under no circumstances will I accept that Jalal and Adham Khan belong in the same league except for the fact that they are both men and belong to the same religion. The very gist of this topic is repulsive to me.

And another fact, Akbar conquered and ruled almost over half of Asia through war, then in that case he must have married half the country's or all the country's princesses since he is directly or indirectly cause of forced cum hate marriages!

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ChupChupKe

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: lghosh

i agree but that was the only choice left for bharmal to save his sons life n to save his kingdom . jalal did not left any choice for him . bharmal's sons wr under jalal's/ shariff's custody .

directly or indirectly but he was the reason of this forced cum hate marriage

Nope if you read history and watch the show right from the beginning with all possible angles you will know it was not so.

First of all King Bharmal had no say if Jalal had actually taken of all the women to his harem. According to war laws back then any king who defeats the other has the sole rights over every subject, kingdom, assets, palace, wealth and their women included.

It was fortunate that Jalal was already smitten by Jodha and then was burning in the fury of his revenge and so he agreed to the proposal brought by Bharmal! If he had wanted he would have just exploited Jodha and left her to the mercy of her fate and we all know what that fate would have been! And yes that is what Adham Khan would have done for sure if he was in Jalal's place.

Bharmal was a Rajput King, to save himself and his sons he didn't have to do deal with marriage, all the women could have committed 'jauhar' any way if he had come and told them he was defeated and his sons are held captive. He didn't have to put Jodha on the bargain scale but HE DID!! Jalal didn't ask him to but he did on his own will with the help and advice of Chugtai Khan. So NO, I can't accept if you put the whole blame to Jalal just like Jodha did all along. As I said if Jalal wanted he could have got Jodha without marriage. And to top it he followed all her wishes and requests to the core.

And even if I am ignoring the show, go and read the real historical story and you will know who proposed whom and how the marriage took place. Yes Jalal was willing right from the beginning but Jodha wasn't initially. But later on it was a love story of that millennium set against different religion and cultural backdrop. Under no circumstances will I accept that Jalal and Adham Khan belong in the same league except for the fact that they are both men and belong to the same religion. The very gist of this topic is repulsive to me.

okeeeyyy acc to history greek's post in ain-i-akbari(akbar's autobiography), its clearly mentioned, the war did take place, and bharmal's son and 2 nephews and army, were taken hostage, by ajmer's subedar sharif-ud-din. 3, 4 members of our forum too hv verified it .😃😃 so if this was all came from bharmal's end then why this war before AkDha's marriage

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Preeti

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Deepti1808

Jalal insisted on munh-dikhayi as he got to know that Jodha was unaware that he was her groom. Jalal himself admitted in his thoughts and action that her insulting him and placing a sword on his throat was the main reason for him pursuing her and agreeing to marry her.

@bold: Exactly, she too did not have a choice in the matter. Marry or perish were her only choices. So it was not a marriage she went for willingly but under duress.

Of course we have seen how beautifully their relationship has developed from that point. But the starting point was anything but love and everything to do with force.

I agree the marriage did not begin with love and we know that Jalal was willing just so he could have his revenge.

But the marriage was still not forced by Jalal. If you recall, Jodha did attempt suicide and was actually about to go through with it when she was stopped by her parents. Regardless of her reasons, whether she agreed for her parents or for her kingdom, she ultimately made her decision. Yes she was unwilling, yes the circumstances for her wedding were not desirable, but she did it based on her father's decision. He sacrificed his daughter to Jalal, knowing that it would be a far better fate than being in the hands of Sharifuddin.

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ChupChupKe

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: preet_pal320

I agree the marriage did not begin with love and we know that Jalal was willing just so he could have his revenge.

But the marriage was still not forced by Jalal. If you recall, Jodha did attempt suicide and was actually about to go through with it when she was stopped by her parents. Regardless of her reasons, whether she agreed for her parents or for her kingdom, she ultimately made her decision. Yes she was unwilling, yes the circumstances for her wedding were not desirable, but she did it based on her father's decision. He sacrificed his daughter to Jalal, knowing that it would be a far better fate than being in the hands of Sharifuddin.

The main reason behind bharmal's proposal was for to save his kingdom n to save his sons life who wr under shariffs or indirectly jalal's custody ... he came to know abt shariff's crap intention to get jodha after fixing jodha's marriage wd jalal ... not at the marriage fixing time yeah jodha agreeded for this marriage as she had no choice left at that time ...

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Lana Ghosh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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okeeeyyy acc to history greek's post in ain-i-akbari(akbar's autobiography), its clearly mentioned, the war did take place, and bharmal's son and 2 nephews and army, were taken hostage, by ajmer's subedar sharif-ud-din. 3, 4 members of our forum too hv verified it .😃😃 so if this was all came from bharmal's end then why this war before AkDha's marriage

I don't need any one else's post but I do my own research!

The question is not why the war was fought, the topic here was Jalal and Adham Khan are of the same category and caliber. There is no difference between them. That is repulsive to me.

And there are thousands of war fought in history by Akbar, how come we are not questioning the validity of those other wars? Because Jodha was not the bargain?

Wars were fought back then to increase the boundary of the territory and kingdoms. Amer back then were a strong Rajput kingdom and Akbar had to bring the Rajput under his control one by one and it started with Amer and ofcourse one major reason was their princess Jodha, who had smitten Jalal with her stories, talents and beauty. He for sure wanted her and here in the show her pride and anger over Jalal and infuriated him and thus he showed entire Amer by defeating them in battle. But neither did he insult Amer people nor did he ask for Jodha's hand in marriage, this was brought by King Bharmal and if you watch the scene in the show you will see all of Jalal's advisers advised him to just get Jodha in his harem without marriage but Jalal wanted this marriage and that relieved Bharmal. It was a much better and respectable and honorable decision rather than just being brought over in the harem. In that case Jodha would have no option but to kill herself. And she agreed to this marriage as well to save Amer and her family. If she wanted to she could have refused but she agreed too on her own whether out of no choice or option that is altogether another issue.

Jalal didn't disrespect Bharmal nor Jodha with this proposal. And what Sharif did Jalal didn't know. What was Sharif's intention again Jalal was not aware of. He freed the captives the moment Bharmal and Jalal accepted the proposal. He treated him with due respect.

Anyway enough said, to each his own!

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Lana Ghosh

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Posted: 11 years ago

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I agree the marriage did not begin with love and we know that Jalal was willing just so he could have his revenge.

But the marriage was still not forced by Jalal. If you recall, Jodha did attempt suicide and was actually about to go through with it when she was stopped by her parents. Regardless of her reasons, whether she agreed for her parents or for her kingdom, she ultimately made her decision. Yes she was unwilling, yes the circumstances for her wedding were not desirable, but she did it based on her father's decision. He sacrificed his daughter to Jalal, knowing that it would be a far better fate than being in the hands of Sharifuddin.

Preeti just forget it, you can't make any one see reason and logic if they are not willing.

Only thing to note here is that any story which has Love right from the beginning till the end doesn't have much importance in history. Stories that happened under uneven, rough environment and circumstances which commenced with Hate but slowly changed to Love always holds more appeal and importance in the pages of History! And here as I wrote it was a love story based on a backdrop of a different religion, culture, idealism, manners and heritage and in spite of all these differences the Love story flourished and became popular and immortal. That is what matters and it would not have been possible if either Jodha or Jalal had been unable to keep up their end of adjustments, adaptation and understanding based on respect, trust, faith and love.

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Petal_Pose

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Posted: 11 years ago

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There is no comparison between Adham and Jalal. Yes, there are times he has made a lot of mistakes, but he has tried to correct them. He has a come so far, and will continue to grow in a beautiful human being ..As far as men like Adham, they will never learn. They will be a leech.🤢

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Petal_Pose

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Btw, i read that MUZ did attack Akbar on their wedding night.I read it somewhere, it's from folktales, rumors i think though.😆😆

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