Jodha Akbar 105 & 106: Sound and Fury - Page 7

Today, I found all this eye-rolling by the harem folk and by Mahaam, Jodha's harangue and Hamida's bhashan all very predictable and boring. The only sensible part was the one between Jalal and Salima.

Jodha of course does not see any inconsistency in demanding that her husband trust her on her word alone, while she does not extend any of same faith to him or his word. He on the other hand at least thinks over what she tells him and goes so far as to consult Salima about it. Jodha merely wallows in her mantra of moorchit hone ke fayda uthaya.

Do Jalal's honour and his word have no value, but Jodha's word has to be believed without question (that she is innocent is something we know., not Jalal)?

Even of Jodha had been a Jezebel, she would have cried the same way and made the same assertions of innocence. In fact more vehemently and convincingly. Why should he believe her? Othello killed his beloved Desdemona on far less "evidence".

But never fear, this Jalal is no Othello, he is only a besotted young man, who will, once he has exculpated his begum. go back to hanging around her, fastening her payal, and taking all the snide remarks she dishes out to him. Why, she was at it even when he brought her the birthday gift, her manners then were at their lousiest in a while.

She is already practicing that, with her pinched face, her mantra of mera fayda uthaya, and her resurrected ghrina.

It is all melodramatic tripe, and I for one do not see any epic love story coming out of this. As Lashy says, as soon as Jalal has proved her innocence, and apologised to her till he is blue in the face, Jodha, who would never dream of apologising for her slander on his character, will go back to her arrogant, sneering ways.

But if you are in a mood to rejoice, do so by all means, my dear. I do not look forward to this kind o unbalanced script, with a heroine who can do no wrong and a hero with all the makings of a doormat.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Ariel

Jalal is back
Jalal can think
Jalal will end this travesty of a track

That's is all I care about! :)

Go jalal !!

another pregnancy track, another scene of jalal smashing things and people, another round of epis of jalal and jodha getting angry with each other - boring!

You are right about jodha being petty minded when it comes to jalal. I couldn't laugh at the irony of her describing the scales of marriage being balanced, has she in her mind made any attempt to keep that balance of trust going. I feel it was on jodha more than jalal to start thinking logically. He has more reason to believe that she is cheating than she does to believe he is lying. The ball was on jodha court but she swung the pitch back to jalal. I don't mind one bit seeing jalal in action and how sensible he went to salima begum not even maham Anga. That shows so much about his character when he turns to her for unbiased advice. Only if jodha had half as much sense she would have solved this puzzle days ago instead we are back to ghrina.

Originally posted by: loveanime

Her action have so far in the story has only had negative reactions. She triggered this snow ball effect and obviously she is going to pay a heavy price but it is not her only, the whole kingdom and also jalal as well for the turmoil he was put thru. Personal pain is one thing there will be lingering effects of humiliation on his throne. If jodha can't be a wife to him that is one matter but if her acts cause irreparable damage to his pride as shehenshah, forget epic love story then there is no story at all.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Today, I found all this
eye-rolling by the harem folk and by Mahaam, Jodha's harangue and Hamida's
bhashan all very predictable and boring. The only sensible part was the one
between Jalal and Salima.
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Jodha of course does not see any inconsistency in demanding that her
husband trust her on her word alone, while she does not extend any of same
faith to him or his word. He on the other hand at least thinks over what she
tells him and goes so far as to consult Salima about it. Jodha merely wallows
in her mantra of moorchit hone ke fayda uthaya.
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Do Jalal's honour and his word have no value, but Jodha's word has to be
believed without question (that she is innocent is something we know., not
Jalal)?</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"> Even of Jodha had been a Jezebel, she would have cried the same way and
made the same assertions of innocence. In fact more vehemently and
convincingly. Why should he believe her? Othello killed his beloved Desdemona on far less "evidence".
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">But never fear, this Jalal is no Othello, he is only a besotted young man, who will, once he has exculpated his begum. go back to hanging around her, fastening her payal, and taking all the snide remarks she dishes out to him. Why, she was at it even when he brought her the birthday gift, her manners then were at their lousiest in a while.
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">She is already practicing that, with her pinched face, her mantra of mera fayda uthaya, and her resurrected ghrina.</font>

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It is all melodramatic tripe, and I for one do not see any epic love
story coming out of this. As Lashy says, as soon as Jalal has proved her
innocence, and apologised to her till he is blue in the face, Jodha, who would never dream of apologising for her slander on his character, will go back to her arrogant, sneering ways.
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">But if you are in a mood to rejoice, do so by all means, my dear. I do not look forward to this kind o unbalanced script, with a heroine who can do no wrong and a hero with all the makings of a doormat.
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Hi Aunty , so sorry you are feeling so bad about the episode . I haven't watched yet so can't comment on that , but id like to explain my post .

although I hate this track , I'm cheering for jalal because he came out looking like the better person today . Scratch that he is the better person . Through his pain , through humiliation he is still thinking about what she said , weighing her words and trying to think this through . This whole debacle is much more painful for jalal , not just personally after being "cheated on" and accused of rape, continue to long for a child , he also has to bear insults hurled at the throne , the sultanate at large, of breaking "promises" abd proclaim another mans child as his heir .

That's why I was cheering for him , that he can still think through all this and protect the throne and give her reasons another chance which is far more than she has done for him. He is definitely far better far superior person for me .

This show stopped being an epic love story for me because I can't understand jodha. Now I merely consider her as jalals love interest . I don't think about why he likes her because the answer will be unsatisfactory .yes, after this is over she will continue to be mahaan and will go back to thinking she can never be wrong and continue to be rude and crude. And she will never consider the lengths the king goes to for her . So I only watch for jalal and that's why I'm cheering him on . I try my hardest not to take jodha seriously because it ruins everything for me . Sad but that's the reality of how I watch this show . Just my opinion , no intention of hurting anyone .

But yes, I'm little disappointed at how jalal doesn't consider the lengths he goes to either . We all talk about as love that hasn't been acknowledged but that's just hogwash . A man needs to take stock of the situation and understand whether you give too much or too little . You don't have to stop giving or taking but at least acknowledge the state of affairs .

I sincerely hope he backs off for a little bit after this debacle for a little while . I want to see him licking his wounds so to speak and put up his mental barriers again .

So true Ariel jodha pee sized brain can never understand the pain she put her husband through. Jalal does come out better in this, because his turmoil was much bigger, personal pain of wanting a child but it turns out illegitimate, betrayal from a wife he is coming to deeply love, having to keep his shamsheer and temper in check because of the stakes on the pride of his empire, continue to perform his duties for his people while waging a war, being called a liar must be so demeaning to his status again and again. You are right forget jodha, this track was near disaster but jalal did good, his anger and suspicion justified, his sense of pride maintained, and when asked of him he rose up in action. I think if any good came out of this track is that jalal development was presented in a empathetic way to the the audience that we didn't feel like he was not in the right at any point.

Originally posted by: loveanime

So true Ariel jodha pee sized brain can never understand the pain she put her husband through. Jalal does come out better in this, because his turmoil was much bigger, personal pain of wanting a child but it turns out illegitimate, betrayal from a wife he is coming to deeply love, having to keep his shamsheer and temper in check because of the stakes on the pride of his empire, continue to perform his duties for his people while waging a war, being called a liar must be so demeaning to his status again and again. You are right forget jodha, this track was near disaster but jalal did good, his anger and suspicion justified, his sense of pride maintained, and when asked of him he rose up in action. I think if any good came out of this track is that jalal development was presented in a empathetic way to the the audience that we didn't feel like he was not in the right at any point.

After all that, she said you don't trust me . Lady , trust is a two way street .

I don't know what to make of her anymore . Yesterday was the first time in a long time I felt sorry for her , most of the time I just don't notice or care for her . I don't what I will feel after I watch tonight's episode :(

The cvs really need to work on her characterization .

Don't fret about me, my dear, and of course I can understand where you were coming from.

As for me. I am beginning to slowly switch off this serial, for I can now see where it is headed. There is not going to be any epic love story, except in the ghostly exchanges between the roohs of Jodha and Jalal, which I am sure meet at her maqbara 1 km away from Akbar's at Sikandra, so as to satisfy her ego. 😉

See, if they are shown as fallng in love with each other, that will mean the serial will have to be wound up soon thereafter. So that will not happen till near the end, and in the meantime, this sort of periodic upheaval will be repeated ad nauseum. Each time, though Jalal would have done all the running and heavy lifting, Jodha will be shown as the moral winner and the mahaan one, though any rational observer would be hard put to identify anything that she has done for him.Jalal will be given no credit for anything he does, and even if the Jodha ne use banaya haiwaan se insaan theme is toned down, it will be always there in the background.

Jalal is becoming weaker and more distracted, and more obsessed with Jodha by the day, whereas she is petty and ill-behaved and she hates him more and more (except for those archaeologists of the serial world who can see her hidden love even in her resurrected ghrina). There is no balance in the narrative or in the character development.

I see no point in analysing and dissecting such irritating shenanigans about an arrogant, mulish, unpleasant female lead and a male lead who is steadily dissolving into a puddle of self-abasement and losing all that set him apart from the standard issue male lead in a soap - his dominance, his self assurance, his ability to conquer his weaknesses, including her.

Now, instead of proving straightaway that Jodha is not expecting at all, he is going to acknowledge the virtual child as his to salvage her reputation (which will still be as muddied as before, for no one will believe him). In return, he is getting the earful shown in the precap.

And even after it is all made clear, Jodha will not apologise for having accused Jalal of marital rape, whereas he will apologise profusely for having doubted her character. This done, she will continue to swan around with Moti as before and he will be hanging around trying to meet her as if by chance. No way is he going to back off and leave her to herself. See what happens, and you will soon acknowledge that I was right!

What kind of epic love story is this going to be? Here is what I wrote on Vicki's mini thread last night, responding to the idea that Jalal MUST apologise to Jodha:



I have started watching a new show based on a Saratchandra novel, Tumhari Pakhi,with a rather interesting hero who is obsessed with his public image, and who is played by Iqbal Khan. I have not watched him before, but he is not bad. I have no intention of commenting on that, but it is a pleasant watch, being set in the most photogenic parts of Rajasthan. As I said, I am beginning to lose interest in Jodha Akbar, at least in commenting on it. At least in Tumhari Pakhi, the heroine seems like a real person.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Ariel

Hi Aunty , so sorry you are feeling so bad about the episode . I haven't watched yet so can't comment on that , but id like to explain my post .

although I hate this track , I'm cheering for jalal because he came out looking like the better person today . Scratch that he is the better person . Through his pain , through humiliation he is still thinking about what she said , weighing her words and trying to think this through . This whole debacle is much more painful for jalal , not just personally after being "cheated on" and accused of rape, continue to long for a child , he also has to bear insults hurled at the throne , the sultanate at large, of breaking "promises" abd proclaim another mans child as his heir .

That's why I was cheering for him , that he can still think through all this and protect the throne and give her reasons another chance which is far more than she has done for him. He is definitely far better far superior person for me .

This show stopped being an epic love story for me because I can't understand jodha. Now I merely consider her as jalals love interest . I don't think about why he likes her because the answer will be unsatisfactory .yes, after this is over she will continue to be mahaan and will go back to thinking she can never be wrong and continue to be rude and crude. And she will never consider the lengths the king goes to for her . So I only watch for jalal and that's why I'm cheering him on . I try my hardest not to take jodha seriously because it ruins everything for me . Sad but that's the reality of how I watch this show . Just my opinion , no intention of hurting anyone .

But yes, I'm little disappointed at how jalal doesn't consider the lengths he goes to either . We all talk about as love that hasn't been acknowledged but that's just hogwash . A man needs to take stock of the situation and understand whether you give too much or too little . You don't have to stop giving or taking but at least acknowledge the state of affairs .

I sincerely hope he backs off for a little bit after this debacle for a little while . I want to see him licking his wounds so to speak and put up his mental barriers again .

My dear Munni,

Thank you so much, and I agree with you in toto. If you have the time and the patience, do take a look at my long response to Vicki on her latest thread at

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/95951066

for it deals, in the first place, with precisely this point of not being impartial towards the two of them..

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: munnirony

thnk u aunty for ur wonderful post. im saying it from the beginning tht both jalal & jodha r right in their own places. if doubting an women for having extra marital affair is disgraceful for a woman, accusing a person for marital rape is equally disgraceful. reactions of both jalal & jodha r absolutely right from their own point of view. noone can be blamed in this situation. yes i also feel jalal should apologize for doubting jodha, but jodha should also apologize for blaming jalal. for me in this situation both r in the equal position. why should we blame only jalal or only jodha??? jalal had actually showed a lot of patience. he doubted jodha, but still he didnt discussed his doubts with anyone not even with maham or ruquiya. wht more he could have done in tht situation??? if jodha have no trust on jalal, why do we expect jalal to have faith on jodha from the starting??? both r taking baby steps so obviously both will not have full faith on each other so soon. but i know there is no point of discussing bcoz people will term me partial, even though im supporting both jalal & jodha equally.