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Posted: 11 years ago
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beautiful analysis yaar...here is my take
Hamida-Jodha

when this scene was happening...my eyes was only on the drink which jodha drank...i didn't even paid too much attention on the convo which is anyways abt political and administrations...

i was like that drink is going to make jodha pregnant and give 1000 volts jhatka to jallu...who will become the father of the child...and he will have reaction...."what the hell just happened...i did not touch her...how did she got pregnant"

Ruku-Jodha

can i know what is the problem with this bimbo...why the hell she is so obsessed with jallu spending nights...seriously if 16th century invented CCTV cameras...she will install it in Jodha's to know what really is brewing b/w them...did they do "IT" or not

she stoop quite low in my eyes when she discuss jodha-jallu personal info...i love the way jodha confidently gave her answer and shut her up...she could not even open her god damn mouth...i really cherish the friendship ruku-jallu shares...but ruku's insecurities day by day turning into a madness...soon i am going to loose respect in this relationship...

the next convo is a hint for future...jodha says that she didn't know that jallu wanted to spend the night with ruku...if she knows...she would send her to him...right away...and she doesn't need to snatch jallu...this is a hint in future when Akdha falls in love...his desires is only going to jodha and she will make him realise that his first priority is ruku even though she too wants him with him...or the other option will be just for ruku-jallu friendship she will maintain a distance from him...this will not go well with jallu but than he respects her decisions...and as responsibilities he will be only with ruku...but his mind...heart and soul is occupied by jodha...infact jodha will try to push ruku-jallu closer...but this gesture of jodha will bring distance b/w jallu-ruku...and brings jallu closer...deeper towards her

Jalal-Jodha-Manmohana Song

Mr Shahenshah is back to his angry avatar...the only difference this time round he was not drunk but sober...i just love the whole scene...it looks like jallu is a fan boy of jodha's voice...i just love the way jodha sang manmohana for him...

but before this happen...once again...their arguments continue...jodha being the bhaagin questioning why doesn't she have a freedom of hers...and jallu was stumped...jallu knows jodha very well...he knows that she is hiding something and thats what happen...when jodha told jallu that he should play with ruku as she is childhood friend...he knows ruku have told her something...and want to know more abt it...but jodha refuses...as its something personal b/w the two wives...

as a husband he wanted to spend some quality time with his wife to understand her more...to know more abt her visions...her culture...her rituals and also since he is attracted towards her too...jallu was sad and dishearten that jodha refused...it affects him big time...it was written on his face..and deep down he was little angry with ruku for spoiling this moment for him...as he wanted to spend sometime with her as she makes him feel a real person and introduce him the real beauty of life rather than being a Shahenshah...jodha teaches him to live for himself too...steal a little time from his hectic schedule for himself and lead it with peace...but ruku spoiled it for him...

but everything becomes normal when jodha sings for him as a punishment...he was bowled over her voice as well as her talent that he named her "Mallika-E-Hunar"....jodha was stumped as well as shocked too...she saw a new side of jallu

oh yes..when jallu says he is giving a punishment...for a moment...jodha thought it was massage sessions...and she will not give it...🤣

Jalal-Jodha-Dagger

now this scene...did jallu purposely leave the dagger in jodha's room so that he could find a new excuse to meet her...nowadays Shahenshah is finding excuses to meet his beautiful hindu wife jodha...i love his taunts of two knives being in the same place and thank god he is not injured...that was enough irritate his ladylove and he enjoys it...

it looks like jallu find a new excuse to meet jodha...and he openly invite her for Shahnama tuitions...but instead got a appointment for Bhagwat Gita tuitions...i am damn sure...he will not miss a world for it...he got an excuse to meet his ladylove again and this time around she invited him...herself

Moti-Jodha

i just love her friendship with moti...they are best of friends...love the way moti advise her that she should have went and jodha reveal her that she cannot snatch the rights of another wife...the surprise part was she told moti that she has no problems of going to jallu...this shows that she trust him...oh god just when everything is going well...this cursed track has to be introduced...

i loved the birthday wishes b/w both friends...it was beautiful...moti wants a party but jodha knows her limits that now she is in Agra and not in Amer...she doesn't want her husband to know abt her birthday...she even reveal her fear for her husband...this shows that jodha cares for him

but we see a cupid overhearing the convo...for the first time in the history of EK soaps...a cupid is overhearing a convo rather than a vamp...rahim was adorable when he heard that its his choti ammi jaan birthday...he is so excited...

Jalal-Rahim

adorable scene...rahim reveals to jallu that its his choti aami jaal birthday...it was such a cute scene...i wish even our Amer princess and jallu's fan girl Sujata of Amer was also present in Agra...i really miss the bonding b/w jallu-sujata...the purest relationship in JA so far its definitely the bonding of jodha-rahim and jallu-sujata...our shahenshah gets to know that its his baaghin's birthday...his smirk was enough to know that he is going to plan something special for his baaghin

Precap-no comments...ruku's mallika's obsession is turning into madness...and this is enough in future for jallu coming closer to jodha...all thanks to her insecurities...he always gave her the best...even value their relationship and friendship...even now he told jodha that noone can take ruku's place...but look what this silly women is doing...venting out poison on him...is she dumb...doesn't she know that even jodha is jallu's wife

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Can I disagree with you on some points...
Here goes then...
I think Hameeda had always known of Jodha' s sense of fair play...as she reiterated yest that she (jodha) places humanitarianism over everything else... Giving examples to boot...she has now, however,picked up on Jodha's thawing...so that now her judgement is more balanced towards fair play than skewed towards anti-Jalal..ism, for want of a better word...
Harems were always in ferment with intrigues, jealousies and conspiracies...would be naa, if all of one's very purpose of existence and reason for being...was another individual' s pleasure...the harem was a tightly controlled institution...whose laws bound even the great kings...Be it Suleiman the magnificent..or the magnificent Akbar...no one was above the harem laws...not even the king
Usually the harem was controlled by the Valida -e-sultan...or the sultan's mother...the most powerful woman in the realm..
Here that role falls to Ruqaiyya...and she clearly revels in it...and her status of being Khaas...she is clearly his favorite...understands him..or supposedly understands him best...and has control...to some extent over him...this has been her raison D'etre...and has constituted her life so far...she never...ever..anticipated change..she has never really had to do anything else...so why change..is her attitude...
Jalal exemplifies Darwinism...he is evolving into another creature altogether..now that he has broken free of the fetters of Bairam khan, getting closer to his Rajput in laws, ...slowly evolving into the Great he is destined to be...and here..I think he is breaking away even from Maham...vide his dismissal of her when she attempts to negate his identifying with Jodha...and the most imp...he intercepts the shared glance b/ w Adham, Shareef and Maham in Amer...he...whose radar is never not on high alert ...is now cognizant of a change in wind direction...not that he would ever reveal it...
Ruqaiyya...who is convinced that Jalal has no heart...is oblivious to this...and she has had no reason to believe any thing else...the Jalal she knows is an ogre par excellence...and he has played that role to the hilt with her...so she disregards the astute Maham...who sensed the wind shift the very minute Jalal agreed to Jodha's very first demand...that this one...this queen...is different...can blow apart the status quo to smithereens...
And she is doing it too
Ruqaiyya is now an emotional Tyrannosaurus Rex...( or is that Regina..)...adrift midst the attitude upheavals and personal equation changes, and quick sudden evolutions...she has no frame of reference for this Jalal...whom she does love as a wife...but has never had a reason to place that above the thrill of being foremost mongst the rest of the best...
Agree with you totally on Jodha...that was a spot on assessment...I have always been a pro-Jodha camper...I love a flawed character...and it's evolution...they make the best stories...my namesake and her Darcy ... How they did grow...blush...sigh...drool over Firth moment...
Jalal is drawn to Jodha precisely because of all the points you mentioned in your bang on Jodha analysis...
How could he not...she is oxygen...in a monoxide laden atmosphere...

Apologies...if the disagreement was offensive...was in no way meant to be...



Edited by LizBennett - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Willl Maham return in time to help Ruq with this plan? What will Maham gain out of it?
i know why she will help her, if you all remember, once ruqu took side of maham, when jallal was going to fight against bairm khan. maham took it as a favour and gave her word that one day she will help her too. and plus maham dislike jodha.

if pregnancy track plan by ruqu then may be she will ask maham help in this matter and maham will help her.
Edited by ssshh - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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What is the meaning of 'Hunar ki mallika'
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonia_1

Superbly well written 👏

We had another wonderful episode today. Jodha's dignified dressing down of insulting Ruqs...Jalal and Jodha spending a sacred moment together and Rahim planning his Chhoti Ammijaan's B'day.
The calm before the unpleasant storm which is on its way.

As you have mentioned, Maham will definitely get Ruqaiyya escape since it would create a rift between Jalal and Jodha.


I agree, wonderful post. I like the insight you give. But I must say that I disagree with Maha Manga helping ruks. She wants to separate ruks and jalal so that she does not become Mariam Uz Zamani. Think about it, she purposely killed the child because she didn't want ruks to be Mariam. She really dislikes ruks to the point that she willing to hurt her ladlo jalal. Plus, in an earlier episode, she was telling her dasi, "What do you think about Jodha Begam becoming Mariam Uz Zamani?"

If this pregnancy issue does come up, then I think it will be Hamida who will solve it. Especially if Ekta is following the movie, she will send off Jodha to her mayaaka. He doesn't have the heart to kill Jodha.
Edited by Suhasinni - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suhasinni


I agree, wonderful post. I like the insight you give. But I must say that I disagree with Maha Manga helping ruks. She wants to separate ruks and jalal so that she does not become Mariam Uz Zamani. Think about it, she purposely killed the child because she didn't want ruks to be Mariam. She really dislikes ruks to the point that she willing to hurt her ladlo jalal. Plus, in an earlier episode, she was telling her dasi, "What do you think about Jodha Begam becoming Mariam Uz Zamani?"

If this pregnancy issue does come up, then I think it will be Hamida who will solve it. Especially if Ekta is following the movie, she will send off Jodha to her mayaaka. He doesn't have the heart to kill Jodha.


Maham will help Ruqs escape the charges... khwaja shera will most likely be the scapegoat after Jalal finds out that Jodha was framed. This will definitely create a wide chasm between Jalal and Jodha. Maham is also aware of the fact that Ruqs had seen Adham enter the Harem and she hates Jodha too. Plus Maham and Ruqs will continue to manipulate and deceive Jalal for quite some time in the future.
Edited by sonia_1 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: prejudiced

Nice to read your analysis!

Very nice episode, Highlighting Jodha's virtues.
The punishment was as sweet as it gets.
Certainly looks like the calm period before a storm. All signs pointing to Ruquu possibly be the root cause for the pregnancy mu.
Jodha and Jalaal do not realize the power of Ruqqu's rage something they are fueling unintentionally.

Yes it does look like Ruq will be behind this pregnancy news plan! I think it may happen because Ruq gets mad that Jalal is spending more time away from her at Jodha's Birthday wishing!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonia_1


Since this would be the lowest Ruqs will stoop to, if Jalal were to find out , he will break even the bonds of friendship with her so I feel she will not be exposed at this point. MA and Ruqs will continue to plot and scheme.

See you are assuming that if Jalal catches Ruq at this fake pregnancy issue, he will break even the bonds of friendship with her. The point where I differ is:
a. Ruq may get caught at it
b. Jalal may find out her role
c. Even though he finds it out he will not "break the bonds of friendship" because it goes back a long long way. He will instead put her in cold storage, without actual breaking the relationship. He will not be overtly harsh, he may become covertly apathetic to her and that will be her punishment that he no longer confides, no longer talks easily, no longer give room for tantrums or no longer gives weight to her status and audha etc. he may give her the cold shoulder!
That's why I feel he will find out about her but become completely lukewarm about her rather than trying to break the friendship.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mages

beautiful analysis yaar...here is my take

Hamida-Jodha

when this scene was happening...my eyes was only on the drink which jodha drank...i didn't even paid too much attention on the convo which is anyways abt political and administrations...

i was like that drink is going to make jodha pregnant and give 1000 volts jhatka to jallu...who will become the father of the child...and he will have reaction...."what the hell just happened...i did not touch her...how did she got pregnant"

Ruku-Jodha

can i know what is the problem with this bimbo...why the hell she is so obsessed with jallu spending nights...seriously if 16th century invented CCTV cameras...she will install it in Jodha's to know what really is brewing b/w them...did they do "IT" or not

she stoop quite low in my eyes when she discuss jodha-jallu personal info...i love the way jodha confidently gave her answer and shut her up...she could not even open her god damn mouth...i really cherish the friendship ruku-jallu shares...but ruku's insecurities day by day turning into a madness...soon i am going to loose respect in this relationship...
Yes it was really not in order to discuss the Jodha-Jalal sleeping arrangements in the corridor of the palace ... Ruq was blind with jealousy!

the next convo is a hint for future...jodha says that she didn't know that jallu wanted to spend the night with ruku...if she knows...she would send her to him...right away...and she doesn't need to snatch jallu...this is a hint in future when Akdha falls in love...his desires is only going to jodha and she will make him realise that his first priority is ruku even though she too wants him with him...or the other option will be just for ruku-jallu friendship she will maintain a distance from him...this will not go well with jallu but than he respects her decisions...and as responsibilities he will be only with ruku...but his mind...heart and soul is occupied by jodha...infact jodha will try to push ruku-jallu closer...but this gesture of jodha will bring distance b/w jallu-ruku...and brings jallu closer...deeper towards her
I agree on this point totally!

Jalal-Jodha-Manmohana Song

Mr Shahenshah is back to his angry avatar...the only difference this time round he was not drunk but sober...i just love the whole scene...it looks like jallu is a fan boy of jodha's voice...i just love the way jodha sang manmohana for him...

but before this happen...once again...their arguments continue...jodha being the bhaagin questioning why doesn't she have a freedom of hers...and jallu was stumped...jallu knows jodha very well...he knows that she is hiding something and thats what happen...when jodha told jallu that he should play with ruku as she is childhood friend...he knows ruku have told her something...and want to know more abt it...but jodha refuses...as its something personal b/w the two wives...

as a husband he wanted to spend some quality time with his wife to understand her more...to know more abt her visions...her culture...her rituals and also since he is attracted towards her too...jallu was sad and dishearten that jodha refused...it affects him big time...it was written on his face..and deep down he was little angry with ruku for spoiling this moment for him...as he wanted to spend sometime with her as she makes him feel a real person and introduce him the real beauty of life rather than being a Shahenshah...jodha teaches him to live for himself too...steal a little time from his hectic schedule for himself and lead it with peace...but ruku spoiled it for him...
That is a brilliant paragraph you have written! Bang on!

but everything becomes normal when jodha sings for him as a punishment...he was bowled over her voice as well as her talent that he named her "Mallika-E-Hunar"....jodha was stumped as well as shocked too...she saw a new side of jallu

oh yes..when jallu says he is giving a punishment...for a moment...jodha thought it was massage sessions...and she will not give it...🤣
Or maybe she thought it was bare body push ups?

Jalal-Jodha-Dagger

now this scene...did jallu purposely leave the dagger in jodha's room so that he could find a new excuse to meet her...nowadays Shahenshah is finding excuses to meet his beautiful hindu wife jodha...i love his taunts of two knives being in the same place and thank god he is not injured...that was enough irritate his ladylove and he enjoys it...

it looks like jallu find a new excuse to meet jodha...and he openly invite her for Shahnama tuitions...but instead got a appointment for Bhagwat Gita tuitions...i am damn sure...he will not miss a world for it...he got an excuse to meet his ladylove again and this time around she invited him...herself
Oh yes, even I thought he is just inventing reasons to go to her room or spend time with her!

Moti-Jodha

i just love her friendship with moti...they are best of friends...love the way moti advise her that she should have went and jodha reveal her that she cannot snatch the rights of another wife...the surprise part was she told moti that she has no problems of going to jallu...this shows that she trust him...oh god just when everything is going well...this cursed track has to be introduced...

i loved the birthday wishes b/w both friends...it was beautiful...moti wants a party but jodha knows her limits that now she is in Agra and not in Amer...she doesn't want her husband to know abt her birthday...she even reveal her fear for her husband...this shows that jodha cares for him

but we see a cupid overhearing the convo...for the first time in the history of EK soaps...a cupid is overhearing a convo rather than a vamp...rahim was adorable when he heard that its his choti ammi jaan birthday...he is so excited...
This cupid was ultra cute, na? I love this kid Rahim and the way he talks his dialogues!
Jalal-Rahim

adorable scene...rahim reveals to jallu that its his choti aami jaal birthday...it was such a cute scene...i wish even our Amer princess and jallu's fan girl Sujata of Amer was also present in Agra...i really miss the bonding b/w jallu-sujata...the purest relationship in JA so far its definitely the bonding of jodha-rahim and jallu-sujata...our shahenshah gets to know that its his baaghin's birthday...his smirk was enough to know that he is going to plan something special for his baaghin

Precap-no comments...ruku's mallika's obsession is turning into madness...and this is enough in future for jallu coming closer to jodha...all thanks to her insecurities...he always gave her the best...even value their relationship and friendship...even now he told jodha that noone can take ruku's place...but look what this silly women is doing...venting out poison on him...is she dumb...doesn't she know that even jodha is jallu's wife
Ruq has gone mad with envy and is venting her hatred and anger on Jalal. How long will he take that?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: LizBennett

Can I disagree with you on some points...

Here goes then...
I think Hameeda had always known of Jodha' s sense of fair play...as she reiterated yest that she (jodha) places humanitarianism over everything else... Giving examples to boot...she has now, however,picked up on Jodha's thawing...so that now her judgement is more balanced towards fair play than skewed towards anti-Jalal..ism, for want of a better word...
Harems were always in ferment with intrigues, jealousies and conspiracies...would be naa, if all of one's very purpose of existence and reason for being...was another individual' s pleasure...the harem was a tightly controlled institution...whose laws bound even the great kings...Be it Suleiman the magnificent..or the magnificent Akbar...no one was above the harem laws...not even the king
Usually the harem was controlled by the Valida -e-sultan...or the sultan's mother...the most powerful woman in the realm..
Here that role falls to Ruqaiyya...and she clearly revels in it...and her status of being Khaas...she is clearly his favorite...understands him..or supposedly understands him best...and has control...to some extent over him...this has been her raison D'etre...and has constituted her life so far...she never...ever..anticipated change..she has never really had to do anything else...so why change..is her attitude...
Jalal exemplifies Darwinism...he is evolving into another creature altogether..now that he has broken free of the fetters of Bairam khan, getting closer to his Rajput in laws, ...slowly evolving into the Great he is destined to be...and here..I think he is breaking away even from Maham...vide his dismissal of her when she attempts to negate his identifying with Jodha...and the most imp...he intercepts the shared glance b/ w Adham, Shareef and Maham in Amer...he...whose radar is never not on high alert ...is now cognizant of a change in wind direction...not that he would ever reveal it...
Ruqaiyya...who is convinced that Jalal has no heart...is oblivious to this...and she has had no reason to believe any thing else...the Jalal she knows is an ogre par excellence...and he has played that role to the hilt with her...so she disregards the astute Maham...who sensed the wind shift the very minute Jalal agreed to Jodha's very first demand...that this one...this queen...is different...can blow apart the status quo to smithereens...
And she is doing it too
Ruqaiyya is now an emotional Tyrannosaurus Rex...( or is that Regina..)...adrift midst the attitude upheavals and personal equation changes, and quick sudden evolutions...she has no frame of reference for this Jalal...whom she does love as a wife...but has never had a reason to place that above the thrill of being foremost mongst the rest of the best...
Agree with you totally on Jodha...that was a spot on assessment...I have always been a pro-Jodha camper...I love a flawed character...and it's evolution...they make the best stories...my namesake and her Darcy ... How they did grow...blush...sigh...drool over Firth moment...
Jalal is drawn to Jodha precisely because of all the points you mentioned in your bang on Jodha analysis...
How could he not...she is oxygen...in a monoxide laden atmosphere...

Apologies...if the disagreement was offensive...was in no way meant to be...



Liz, I am actually not able to see any disagreements between us. I see and understand all your points. You've described where the characters are coming from ... and I've tried to see what their behaviour yesterday was like.😛
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago

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