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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

No, Sara, I did not forget it. You are in the few hardy souls mentioned later. Do see the PS as well. Aap bahut jaldbaazi mein rehti hain!😉

Shyamala Aunty

waqae mae bohat jad bazi mae rahti hu🤔... i just finished my assignment at 4 am then found your post...and after first para ..jhat sae type kar dia...


thank u aunty 🤗 n very very sorry.😳..u r my dear aunty na🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shyamala Good Post and very valid points on Raja dharma.. I think real Jalaal & Jodha would have been like this as shown in the show. It is fully fictional for TV viewing.I didn't have much expectations as it's Ekta show. Will watch the show till it is interesting, like PR and move on..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

After doing my post on the centenary episode of Jodha Akbar, which I at least found curiously unsatisfactory, I read several other posts in the forum, all interesting in different ways and all overflowing with relief. This celebratory mood was only deepened by the charming Jalal-Jodha scenes of last night , in an episode that was as light and airy and delightful as a successful souffl. I have not written about this one as it has been covered more than adequately already.

Facile optimism:But I was still left wondering at, and somewhat dismayed by the insouciance with which all but a very few in the forum had brushed aside Jalal's statement in the Diwan-e-Khas, during the continued confrontation with the ulema bent on dethroning him unless Jodha converted to Islam, offering to abdicate.

Jalal said then that he could not take back his zubaan to Jodha that she was free to practice her religion and she would not be forced to convert, nor could he go against the ulema. So, if they so desired, he would give up the throne, and nominate Rahim Khan-e-Khana to be his successor.

Almost the whole forum applauded Jalal for his nobility (very likely because this zubaan was given to Jodha; if it had been one given to Ruqaiya or to Mahaam, the voting would have been 99:1 in the opposite direction!😉).

Hardly any gave even a passing thought to the likely consequences of Jalal's abdication, not only for Jalal, but for the whole awaam across his huge empire. If at all a few thought about it, they saw it as a very astute siyasati chaal by Jalal, to rule by proxy thru his foster son for a decade or more, and then perhaps even take the throne back when the dust had long since settled.

This was facile optimism at its most acute, felt in total disregard of the political ground realities prevailing in the Mughal empire. Far from being a very clever piece of statecraft, this throwaway statement by Jalal (which the historical Jalal would never have contemplated even in his worst nightmares) would have resulted in an unmitigated disaster of huge proportions. Let me try to explain why, and if you read what follows with an open mind, you will have to agree with me.

Nor is this a purely theoretical non-issue, on the all is well that has ended well principle. Going by the Sharifuddin-Ulema scene yesternight, the butparasti issue has not been finally buried; it can very well resurface. If it does, Jalal cannot afford to repeat his previous performance. Here is why.

The abdication offer:As I has written in my post of yesterday on the centenary episode, Jalal seemed curiously passive at the hearing. Apart from his insistence on his zubaan to Jodha, he was strangely ready to cave in to the power of the clergy. There was, at the moment of truth, none of the fire with which he had declared, just a little earlier, that if the maulvis had not been the custodians of the faith, he would have decapitated them on the spot. In fact he threw in the towel straightaway, and not only accepted that they had the right to dethrone him, but was ready to step down at once. He only added that he would nominate Rahim to assume the throne in his place.

This was simply unbelievable, that an emperor would be prepared to quit this throne, abandon his subjects, and leave them to suffer from all the chaos, instability, civil war and all that would inevitably follow, simply I order to be seen to keep his word to his wife. This was not rajadharma in any form, it was the negation of it. A king should be prepared to suffer hellfire if necessary to protect his subjects, and here we have a Jalal who thinks of nothing but his own self-indulgent virtue.

And how did Jalal imagine that the ulema who have, thanks to his lack of resistance, acquired the power to dethrone him, were going to accept his choice of a successor? That too a 4 year old, whose father was one of the most hated men in the Mughal sultanate? How long did Jalal think Rahim would stay alive even if the ulema accepted him as the heir? It was such an ill-considered, kneejerk statement that I did not know what to make of it.

Disaster ahead: For those indulging fond hopes of a takhtheen Jalal ruling by proxy thru Rahim, thus continuing pretty much as he was doing till now bar his title, a reality check would be in order. Here it is, folks, and everything I have said here is not speculative. It would assuredly have come to pass.

First and foremost, it would not be in Jalal's hands to choose his successor once the ulema had got him dethroned for a crime against Islam, butparasti. Not Rahim, nor anyone else. It is unimaginable that the clergy, having declared him a sinner unfit to rule, would let him rule by proxy. No way.

The minute he was dethroned, Jalal would become a non-person, deprived of the protection of the Mughal sultanate. Exactly what happened to Bairam Khan once he was no longer the Wazir--e-Ala would happen to Jalal. Adham would have him killed at the very earliest. Killing Jalal would have been essential because his lineage would always have made him a dangerous rallying point for the awaam, whatever the religious charges against him.

There would next have been an all out power struggle, between Adham, Sharif and other claimants as well.

Rahim would have been killed too, to prevent any of the Jalal loyalists from rallying behind him, as Jalal's designated successor once Jalal had been disposed of.

The eventual winner of the power struggle would have tried to marry Ruqaiya to get the legitimacy that would go with her true blue nasl-e-Timuri ancestry, as Babur's paternal granddaughter. Jodha would have to kill herself to escape being recruited into the successor's harem, and Hamida would have been dumped in some corner of the palace, if she was not disposed of as well.

In all of this, the common people, especially in the areas recently conquered by the Mughals, would have been abandoned to the tender mercies of Adham Khan and his ilk. Law and order would have collapsed in the war that would have raged between the contenders for the throne and the armed forces under them. The Mughal army would have been divided and leaderless, and would have degenerated into an armed rabble, split up among the various warlords at each other's throats.

They would have looted, burnt and pillaged their way to power, and those suspected of harboring loyalty to Jalal, whether courtiers and Ministers like Atgah Khan, or at lower levels, would have been killed in short order.

That, folks, is exactly what would have happened. A succession struggle for an imperial throne is not a civilised tea party. It is a bloodbath. Aurangzeb murdered all his brothers and imprisoned his father to get to the throne, and Shahjahan too had his brother and his cousin killed to secure his accession. And in their succession struggles, the common people suffered the most.

Jalal got the throne on a plate thanks to the loyalty of Bairam Khan, and his present empire thanks to his Khan Baba's military and political skills. So he should have valued his takht all the more. I am sure the historical Jalal did so value it.

Jalal's irresponsibility: To revert to our Jalal, when he was coronated as the Shahenshah-e-Hind, he undoubtedly swore a sacred oath that he would protect his subjects and to provide them with peace and security. This oath and his commitment to the people, should have, for Jalal, taken precedence over all else. A Indian Army cadet takes an oath that the country will come first for him, always and every time. So should it have been for Jalal.

Which is why it was irresponsible and criminally foolish of Jalal to risk all of the above, especially the terrible consequences for his subjects, just to be able to say that for him, pran jaye par vachan ne jaye, as if he had been a reincarnation of the Raghukul Shromani Lord Rama.

Jodha's single point thanksgiving: Finally, a few hardy and skeptical souls, who had echoed my above critique of Jalal, had also wondered about Jodha offering thanks to her Kanha only for having saved her faith, without a single thought for the disaster that would have befallen her new family and the whole Mughal empire if Jalal were to step down. It is not that she is not aware of what would then happen; Hamida Banu warns her about it on the sole occasion when she scolds her, after the tiger attack from which Jalal nearly dies. But then Jodha is like a frog in a well, a princess from a tiny riyasat whose ideas of imperial power and the dangers of its collapse are very limited. Plus she is terminally self-centred.

Moreover, why blame her alone when not only is Jalal ready to betray his oath to his subjects and risk their lives and security because of his obsession with a woman (I doubt, somehow, if he would have reacted the same if the zubaan had been given to, say, Motibai!😉) , but Hamida Banu too says Jalal ki siyasat Jalal jaane, par Mughal sultanate ne Jodha Begum ko zubaan di thi aur woh barkarar rahegi. With such defenders, only Allah could have saved the Mughal awaam from the CVs of Jodha Akbar!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

PS: A propos Jalal's statement yesternight that he had never had time to pay attention to the beautiful moonlight, and he did not see the point in wasting time looking at the full moon, Sara (smile.sara) has cleverly pointed out that this is completely at odds with what the selfsame Jalal said when Atgah Khan proposes the boat ride on the lake to him. I had missed it, but she remembered that Jalal then specifically says that to be on the lake in the moonlight ka lutf toh kuch aur hi hoga.

That time, of course, Jodha Begum did not seem to derive any of the aseem shanti from bathing in the moonlight that she was talking of this time, as part of her bhashan of the day, or rather of the night. Her one man audience did not remind her of it, for he was presumably suffering from short term amnesia, like Aamir Khan's character in Ghajini!😉

Nicely phrased. May all the while he was thinking of te ways and means to convince the Maulvis,the same way he convinced Maham when she was raged for the same reason. May be he was waiting for Maham to advocate this issue as well. If at all Maham thought of convincing the maulvi's with her command of words and voice and presentation capacity, she would have told the maulvis that for the betterment of the sultanate, to bring the entire Hindustan under the control of Mughal sultanate, the king has to have diplomatic views to gain power rather than losing money & man power in warfare. She would have told them that there is no point in getting Jodha Begum getting converted, as her blood remains a kapir one (even after convertion), let all her children be the muslims as they are fathered by the Muslim king and the Maulvis also would have to agree. When Maham Agrees to this and HB & Jalal are in favour, Ruqaiya thinking Jodha can never give birth to Jala's child, accepted the proposal, how either Shareefuddin or Adham voiced their opposition. So Jalal expected Jodha to agree to get converted OR Maham to take the talks to her hand.
When I was watching teh show and afer that Reading your post, I thought of the 12th Century South Indian (Karnataka) Hoysala King Vishnuvardhana and his wife Shatala. They were by birth Jains and due to slip of tongue (the same way Jala gave to Jodha), when his daughter was on death bed due to some unknown illness, while praying, he declars that he will follow that God who cures his daughter and when teh Saint Ramanujacharya (Srivaishnav) saves the child, true to his words, he gets himself converted to Srivaishnav leaving his subjects to gape athim whether their religion is lower than the srivaishnav. Lucky for the subjects, the queen Shantala remains in her original Dharma and when questioned by the other wives and the king himself she explains to him that " If the king changes his dharma, he will set example that whatever the Dharma, king adopted as the greater one and he will disregard his original one. So to balance the equation, rather than following the patnidharma, she wish to follow the rajdharma and will remain as Jain and will ease the confusion in teh kingdom.
May be going by that example, we can think male are easy to adopt than female.
Lets see what will happen now that teh maulvis mind has been rekindled by Shareef.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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After reading all the posts herein this JA forum I seem to less enjoy the episodes. Better stop coming to this forum.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wonderful post aunty , I know you have put too much thought into it and there would be very few who would understand this point of view but nevertheless truth stand alone n unconvinced to bowing to the teaming pressure .

It was good to read your post but as lashy said the serial is being remodelled to suit to the taste of indian viewership.

But there are some points which make you think as far as age old pattern of Hero standing up for Heroine goes in indian tele- industry and most of them have been mentioned above by smile sara.
It is because of her understanding of the fact tht , the show is based on a 16th century out an out monarchy regime.

But here is my own version of food for thought:-

HOW WOULD HAVE JALAL SUPPORTED JODHA IN CASE OF ADOPTION OF ISLAM , IN CASE HAMIDA WOULD HAVE BACKED OFF ???

As far as we have seen , he left the choice onto her n raised his hands in front of everyone in Diwane-E-Khas, so how is it tht hamida proposes with so much confidence tht jalal would have not let anything happen to her .

Kashi
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Posted: 11 years ago
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so much so abt this issue i didnt knw its such a serious isse in islam religion !
loved to read n know abt ur take aunty lovely !

n about PS haha u r right u have such sharp observation jalal how he forget tat trip hehe
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hai Aunty !
i had a great Diwali this time ,with lots of sweets and crackers :0
i am little bit amused by your Iyer ahthu Tamil dialect ..😛

well nice insight ...when Jalal declared that he will dethrone himself for the sake of his JOdha begum? .for a second- my heart alarmed ...what kind of king is he ...first i can't understand why these godman's had so much influence in political matters. to such an extend of dethroning the king itself 😲.
After reading your's and some other's valuable post ,i concluded what may be the structure of mughal system...if shahjahan or his son is placed in this situation ,for sure "beheading is the only option here" ...Since Akbar is so sensitive in general , these cv's are playing day by day in his character portrayal ...rest messy things are left behind for next upcoming 2000 episodes. so do have patience while watching it😳
As for as Ruqaiya ,i am amazed at ,what is jalal actually expecting out of his relation with her ?...sometimes he wants her to be jealous ...some times he is suspicious about her insecurities towards him...ruqaiya is one good brain washer-- who constantly mocked him about his loneliness ,that no one can love as she is with him ...but when he found out -one such soul in jodha ...he can't hide his trophy ...that's why he is so tempted to witness her inner turmoil ,which is veiled under her very imperial pride (never spectated by him) .
I hope Jalal too love and respect her in an different elevation ...that he never discard his relations with her..but in mean time when he concludes her state of mind which is grey, with lots of untold love for him.
He will definitely restore her's position with much more integrity than ever. .


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Jodha is very chaalu 😆

she doesn't want to be blamed for jalal's dethronement so she put the decision on hamida
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very detailed and well written Post 👏
Nothing much to add other than I try to enjoy each episode and yesterday's was one of the best in a long time.😊

As for Jalal conveniently forgetting his love for moonlit boat rides,which was duly noted by most, I would think that since this forum is mainly filled with Jalal admirers and peans are written of his unparalleled smartness and complex mind ... he tried a bit of prevaricating with his Jodha Begum so he could enjoy many more moonlit garden conversations with her. Even last time he had looked at the moon and then at her and this time too he admired her beauty more than the full moon.😃 A consummate flirt would certainly never let go of the opportunity.😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Fabulous post aunty🤗😳
i never thot this hard abt the abdication thing n my general perception is just wow but then u make us think..we r thinking ppl ,if not then y r we wasting our precious time here...👍🏼
That is y i skipped a lots of epi earlier as i was very much skeptic abt this show n y not shub be..its am Ekta show..sagar production i think is far better in handling historical shows...well i'll watch this show till i can bear it😊

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