Jodha Akbar 98: Snakes and Ladders

sashashyam thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 11 years ago
#1

Folks,

Now that it is the morning after, and at least some of that body heat that was frying the forum must have been dissipated, it might not be a bad time to offer a different take on the episode. To be precise, on the latter half, for by now, 99% of the forum has forgotten that there WAS anything before the infamous "body heat" segment!

In fact, by late last night, it was not just that I did not know what to make of the Jodha we were shown. I did not know what to make of the quasi-universal obsession with something so commonplace - something that not just the birds and the bees, but the barnyard rooster and fowl too do - the purely physical side of marriage, as if it was in some way synonymous with the divine passion, love! The frantic goings on the forum over "body heat" were, to me at least, decidedly disconcerting.

So, to answer the one all important question which seems to have robbed most here of their sleep last night, as to whether Jalal did IT, my answer would be a resounding NO! As Vicki put it pithily in her gallant attempt to make sense of the goings on yesternight, Jalal is not into necrophilia.

Newton's Law of Gravity: It was bad enough to have the CVs ruin what promised at first to be a exceptional episode, a fitting third segment of a superb triptych. A triptych that would have wrapped up the Amer visit, a visit during which the Jalal-Jodha relationship would have advanced to a new level of trust, understanding, and friendship.

But alas, that was not to be. After its initial promise, Jodha Akbar yesterday set out with a vengeance to prove Newton's law of gravity afresh, by demonstrating that what had gone up - the quality of the last 2 episodes - had necessarily to come down. By episode end, it was dismally clear to me that we will have to wait, maybe for weeks, before seeing anything halfway rational. In the meanwhile, we will be treated to the spectacle of Jalal trying helplessly to explain himself to a Jodha who is fast plunging, as in a snakes and ladders game, from about 51 to 0.

As did the serial itself, with a total lack of balance in the character graphs of the two principals.

In fact, as loveanime has put it with admirable clarity, force and logic in her post on Lashy's thread (the opening post of which is a lucid and lovely piece of writing) at https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/95083417,

"Jalal has gone so forward in character development that he is walking alone, and his apparent soul mate is nowhere near him".

To which I would only add that I too am nowhere near this Jodha, who, just when I get set to start liking her, sends me back to the starting point, again as in snakes and ladders.

I am not surprised that despite Vicky's brave and admirable attempts to explain this Jodha to her readers, some are actually beginning to root for Ruqaiya, who is presumably rushing military reinforcements to dig Jalal out of the snowstorm (on the way from Amer to Agra?!?. Maybe the CVs confused Rajasthan with Ladakh?😉).

But what of the even deeper pit , of helpless emotional subservience to a woman who is so relentlessly negative towards him, into which the Shahenshah-e-Hindustan seems to have fallen?

Squaring the circle: It is not that the CVs cannot surprise you when they set their minds to it. I had worried a lot, and written a lot, about the likely fate that awaited the hapless Sukanya in the hostile, icy environment in her sasural, even if Jalal had scared her inlaws into avoiding any overt ill-treatment.

Lo and behold, Jalal squared that circle effortlessly, with true imperial panache - first grinding the Rat King into the dust with his Humein unhe batana tha ki kis se baat kar rahe hain, and his ostentatious post-wedding gift, to Vijendra. of his father's life. Next, safeguarding Sukanya totally thru the gift to her of Ratanpur fort, which is now hers and hers alone. Not something sneakily gained by the Rat King.

They used to say in the old days that a girl needed strong family backing from her maayka to be respected and valued in her sasural. I do not know about her maayka, but in her jeejasa, Sukanya has a suraksha kavach beyond compare, and she knows it.

Jalal-Jodha at Amer: Now was the time for the CVs to build on this, and on what was presumably a Jodha overflowing with gratitude to her patidev, to fit in a scene that would be fresh and appealing in its open warmth and friendliness, with some intelligent conversation between them. This was surely not too much to ask for. Alas for such vain hopes!

There was, in the whole of that scene, which was a bad let down as far as Jodha was concerned, not a single good line written for her. She has no word of appreciation for what Jalal had just done. She seems to have not the least understanding of all that he explains to her so patiently about the needs of statecraft, and this is supposed to be an intelligent young woman!

She does not react to the obvious gentleness and affection in his saying that he did it because of his relationship with her; the addition of her family and Amer is clearly an afterthought, and the warmth in his eyes as he holds hers in a long gaze would have thawed an iceberg. Not our Jodha, however.

She does not react when he tells her that what she and hers think about him does matter to him. This momentous confession should have instantly reformatted her take on Jalal and made her reevaluate him. It seems, strangely, to barely register with Jodha.

She has no empathy for what he tells her about his boyhood at Ratanpur with his father the Emperor, not a single interested comment, or question about how he felt then. Nothing.

She bustles in, asks her stereotypical questions, like a chartered accountant, rather than a woman whose sister's wedded life has just been saved by this husband of hers, and then sashays out .

We are told endlessly by her apologists, who are undoubtedly sincere, that Jodha wants to develop a level of understanding with Jalal before she lets him anywhere near her. But when and how is this level of understanding to be reached if she is not interested in anything concerning him, except for what her family can get out of him? If she is not sensitive to even the most open indications of caring for her that he gives?

Body Cold: After this none too promising prelude , the snowstorm scene was a unmitigated disaster, which not only completely wiped out all the tentative gains that seemed to have been made between Jalal and Jodha at Amer, but pushed them back several steps beyond even the state of play post the dature ka ark , Meena Bazaar, and Holi episodes.

In fact after Jalal's dreamy reminiscing about the Gangaur celebrations, the whole episode went steadily downhill. It was most artificially and ridiculously constructed: why would a female, even one with so little commonsense as Jodha, run out into the freezing cold in her flimsy clothes and undertake a bout of satyagraha under that tree, instead of going to Hamida's tent with some halfway plausible excuse? Worst come to worst, Hamida would have assumed that she and Jalal had had a fight. How did Jodha think she was going to keep her Ammijaan's maan if a soldier found her freezing there?

And as for Jalal, why the devil did he not drag the idiotic female back to the tent by main force and barbecue her in front of the fire? Then dump her on the bed, fling all the bedclothes on her and leave her to her own devices? Instead, he walks off in a huff, something fully as idiotic as her stomping out of the tent and camping under the tree in the first place.

But for Rajat's star power and his exceptional mastery of facial nuance, things would have been infinitely worse. The expression in his eyes as he looks at the sleeping Jodha, the delicacy and the hesitant gentleness with which he almost pats back a tendril of her hair, the worry and the kashmakash in his face as he strokes her forehead towards the end , are all like illustrations for aching tenderness. Not to speak of the long lingering close up shots of his face, hair blown about artistically by the wind, looking for all the world like a Van Dyke portrait or a matinee idol with whom the camera has fallen in love.

Poor Paridhi, she has no chance at all to do anything worthwhile. She ought to go on a hunger strike against such terminally stupid scenarios. When Jodha wakes up and finds her cheek in her husband's palm, she behaves as if she was one of the 1960s film heroines and he was Pran. It was recidivism with a vengeance, and I found her ranting and her wild accusations very boring and tiresome.

If Jalal had actually grabbed her and declared that he had the haq to claim his conjugal rights, it would have been interesting to see how she would have reacted. After all, she is his wedded wife, and she cannot refuse him that even in current law if he is so minded. There is a legal provision for the restoration, or claiming of conjugal rights, with sentences for non-compliance with the court's ruling. A wife can sue for divorce, but while she is married, she cannot say that she will not let her husband touch her. And this is the 16th century!

That Jalal does not, and will not, do any such thing is a matter of his indulgence, not of her right. His problem, as I see it, is that he is too yielding and, now that he is practically in love with her, far too hesitant. In being so, he reinforces the worst in her - her mindless stubbornness, and her insensate conviction that he is out to "take advantage" of her.

To listen to her, one would have thought that she was an innocent village maiden who had been abducted by the local satrap, who was now out to ravish her. Does she think that when Bharmal, in effect, struck that bargain with Jalal - the security of Amer for the marriage with Jodha - with her explicit consent and after meeting her sharts, Jalal had also given some sort of written undertaking that he would never touch her?

Does she count on keeping up this touch-me-not charade indefinitely, and how is she sure he will play along? But for the fact that he is an honourable man, which husband would let her carry on like this? She apparently plans to go on taking from him, she and her whole family, with no thought to anything he might want in return. Not the physical intimacy with which she seems so strangely obsessed, but perhaps some caring, or even a civil word of thanks?

Jalal might do much better for himself and also for Jodha if he really set himself to determinedly woo her and seduce her. He is after all not cross-eyed or bucktoothed, but is an exceptionally handsome and attractive young man. Plus he must be well versed in handling women, and can surely fine tune his tactics to fit even such a prickly specimen as Jodha.

I would be willing to bet that if he had done so, it might have ended up like that famous scene in Gone with the Wind when Rhett picks Scarlett up and carries her up the grand staircase, leaving the rest to the imagination of the 1940s readers. Remember Scarlett's reaction the next morning? Jodha might well have felt the same.

But of course Jalal will do no such thing. For his Achilles' heel is this: he wants her to care for him, for what happens to him, even more than to satisfy the undoubted physical attraction he feels for her. And this, judging from last night, is nowhere in sight. I do not know about the self-righteous, pokered-up Jodha. But Jalal's feet are surely going to bleed on that stony, thorny path I had written about the last time. His deewanis in the forum had better keep plenty of lep and bandages ready.

Shyamala B.Cowsik
Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago

Created

Last reply

Replies

207

Views

14.4k

Users

42

Likes

547

Frequent Posters

Saumya19 thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Visit Streak 90 Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 11 years ago
#2
I am the first one to comment yayyy!!!!!!
Your post made so much sense in every which way...but then it had to coming from you.
Amer to Agra trip appeared to be a trip in Ladakh but then I guess the cvs we're counting on extreme weather changes the kind that happened in day after tomorrow. So far Jodha goes I agree pRidhi needs to go on satyagraha or something or she will continue to this similar step treatment...and that passage on the hue and cry on the " body temperature" and it becoming the very fulcrum of marital relation was superb. I could literally visualize you turn your television set off as soon as the Hakim ji prescribed that special nuskha specific to hindi cinema yet again...yikes I pity the cvs is all I could say...awesome post di... Seriously loved it
lashy thumbnail
20th Anniversary Thumbnail Trailblazer Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 11 years ago
#3

Aunty, thank you so much for the mention...and an absolutely lovely analysis...As for now (& today) I have little energy/want to type anything about Jalal, Jodha or the storyline. A generally optimistic person like me is a bit disappointed by the slew of negativity here (be it the dripping TRPs, the ridiculous stance of Jo or a sudden interest in Ja-Ruqs in the forum!)

Therefore, all I shall do is leave behind this equation!

Jalal's amplifying patience with Jodha's increasingly unjustified tantrums

is inversely proportional

to my diminishing tolerance with Jodha's plunging characterization!


I have highlighted all points below in your post that I loved. However, what touched me most was the one where you mentioned that he longs for her care. Now I seriously still don't understand why! The CVs haven't shown us one reason WHY he should long for her unless its something like love at first sight (which it isn't)

Two out of three times where she supported him (and took us by surprise) was after the tiger attack and when she spoke up for him in front of her family. Now, Jalal wasn't witness to either of these scenarios - so I still don't see WHY he's falling for her just as much as I can't see why she doesn't even trust him a bit!

Yes yes yes, I've heard the bit about the Ruqs/MA threats and the reasoning that he-has-flirty-gazes-around-her bit umpteen times.

However, the scenario was the same during the sword and Arthi scenes too. She didn't flinch then.[Remember, this was all not too long after that SR incident...] I thought their relationship had gone through many developmental stages since then...

During the sword and arthi scene, one could see she disliked him - yet one could see the fire in her eyes. She didn't give in nor did she bow down. She felt awkward, but didn't succumb through an outburst! She knew he was attracted to her and she appeared smugly proud of it! Yet, she wasn't afraid/disgusted when he removed her veil or touched her during the arthi. She stared back straight into his eyes and defeated him by a handful of gazes/words/actions where needed. His actions didn't incite a reaction in her like one would have when one has set a caterpillar on one's back. She behaved like he was an adversary and she gave it back to him how she was supposed to.

That is the girl I want...and this Jo is vastly different from that^^^

------------------------------------------

So, to answer the one all important question which seems to have robbed most here of their sleep last night, as to whether Jalal did IT, my answer would be a resounding NO! As Vicki put it pithily in her gallant attempt to make sense of the goings on yesternight, Jalal is not into necrophilia.

After its initial promise, Jodha Akbar yesterday set out with a vengeance to prove Newton's law of gravity afresh, by demonstrating that what had gone up - the quality of the last 2 episodes - had necessarily to come down.

Ruqaiya, who is presumably rushing military reinforcements to dig Jalal out of the snowstorm (on the way from Amer to Agra?!?. Maybe the CVs confused Rajasthan with Ladakh?😉).

They used to say in the old days that a girl needed strong family backing from her maayka to be respected and valued in her sasural. I do not know about her maayka, but in her jeejasa, Sukanya has a suraksha kavach beyond compare, and she knows it.

There was, in the whole of that scene, which was a bad let down as far as Jodha was concerned, not a single good line written for her. She has no word of appreciation for what Jalal had just done. She seems to have not the least understanding of all that he explains to her so patiently about the needs of statecraft, and this is supposed to be an intelligent young woman!

She does not react to the obvious gentleness and affection in his saying that he did it because of his relationship with her; the addition of her family and Amer is clearly an afterthought, and the warmth in his eyes as he holds hers in a long gaze would have thawed an iceberg. Not our Jodha, however.

She does not react when he tells her that what she and hers think about him does matter to him. This momentous confession should have instantly reformatted her take on Jalal and made her reevaluate him. It seems, strangely, to barely register with Jodha.

She has no empathy for what he tells her about his boyhood at Ratanpur with his father the Emperor, not a single interested comment, or question about how he felt then. Nothing.

But when and how is this level of understanding to be reached if she is not interested in anything concerning him, except for what her family can get out of him? If she is not sensitive to even the most open indications of caring for her that he gives?

Body Cold: After this none too promising prelude , the snowstorm scene was a unmitigated disaster, which not only completely wiped out all the tentative gains that seemed to have been made between Jalal and Jodha at Amer, but pushed them back several steps beyond even the state of play post the dature ka ark , Meena Bazaar, and Holi episodes.

In fact after Jalal's dreamy reminiscing about the Gangaur celebrations, the whole episode went steadily downhill.

Poor Paridhi, she has no chance at all to do anything worthwhile. She ought to go on a hunger strike against such terminally stupid scenarios.

But of course Jalal will do no such thing. For his Achilles' heel is this: he wants her to care for him, for what happens to him, even more than to satisfy the undoubted physical attraction he feels for her. And this, judging from last night, is nowhere in sight. I do not know about the self-righteous, pokered-up Jodha.

Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
disha15 thumbnail
16th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 11 years ago
#4
The cvs have gained expertise in butchering characters. 😵 First Rukaiya and now Jodha. God alone knows whats gotten into them.

I am growing more and more annoyed with the amount of disrespect she is showing towards Jalal. Intentionally or unintentionally,that doesnt matter.What matters is the fact that,he is dropping signs after signs that he is,falling for her. But she hasn't even let him know that has,afterall,noticed those signs. Each time,he pays her a compliment,instead of a thank you,she goes on about "how dare you compliment me?!" I mean,are you out of your mind,woman?! 😳

Whats more annoying is her constantly changing behaviour. Its like she is always under pre-menstrual syndrome,all the time. Mood swings being so apparent.Once she is all caring and worried for im,and then she goes "humein aap se ghrina hai!" 😵 Take a stand lady! If it had been any other man,he would have been confused to the heights of insanity. Shukkar hai ki humaara munda bada buddhimaan hai. He knows his wife well. So,he doesn't complain. If only she returned the gesture. 🤔 SIgh!

Shyamala aunty,ur sense of humour is something I will always admire u for! 😆 Newton's law of gravity! Such an apt application 😆 one more thing which cracked me up was ur mention of a chartered accountant 🤣

I had spoken of an even worse scenario in another thread. if Jodha continues being bossy and arrogant and Jalal continues encouraging her nakhre,he will be nothing more than a paaltu kutta,Jodha with a hunter in her hand,bossing him around. And THAT angers me!

Okay,you hated him,but thats before you knew him(which is even more annoying.how can she hate a guy she doesnt even know?). But then you got to know him,you understood how his mind works(well,most of the time),you know tha he means well and would NEVER hurt anyone on purpose.

YET,she goes on how ruthless he is. I mean WHY?Cant you see,he has a soft corner for you?Are you that blind? People go blind in love,not in hate!

Are you too afraid to admit that you too have feelings for him?You're not angry at him,you're angry at urself for feeling the way you do. You care for the man,you once loathed.

Anyway,enough about Jodha.Let me talk bout Jalal's other important begum.

Ruqaiya's helplessness always leaves a bitter taste in my mouth She doesn't deserve this. But oh well,this is the Jodha Akbar love story,after all.

As Alakh as been going about,I might as well start leaning toward Ruq-Lal (which I certainly was,during the early course of the show!)


The body cold 😆 I agree with you 100% on this! You know why 😆
Edited by disha15 - 11 years ago
ApurvaLovesARVI thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 11 years ago
#5
I am not Deewani over this Track, It will ruin the whole story now... The Nokh-Jhok were better than this. Such ILLogical Scene...!!!
elasingh thumbnail
15th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 11 years ago
#6
Excellent post as expected from you...
Yes the first part was great and second was bakwas...
I loved Jallu and Sukanya scene and Jallu and Jodha in Amer...Jodha didn't say verbally thankyou but her eyes said it all...
She was too embarrassed , you see...
I also loved Jallu's hand beneath her cheek...
Hated MA for her cheap talks...She shares it even with AK who acts as if he has never touched a woman in his life...
It was Jallu's day yesterday...Have patience Jodha is going to be madly fall for him...
Edited by elasingh - 11 years ago
rogerrocks thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Trailblazer Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 11 years ago
#7
Lol..Wonderful post..its kinda sad that Jodha shows zilch character development😆 She almost always doubts Jalal's intentions and i have never seen her tell him a heartfelt thank you till date..For all that he has done for her, the least she can do is behave in a civil manner😆 More than Jodha, i think its Jalal's fault cos he doesn't hold anything against her..He needs to stop pampering her and mind his own business..I don think its that difficult😆 Oh and while i totally understand where she is coming from , her behavior yesterday was nothing but a gross overreaction..She successfully managed to ruin everyone's sleep and peace of mind😆 I really hope CVs tone her down..There is only so much a person can take..You could understand Jodha's behavior up to a certain point cos Jalal was downright cruel in forcing the marriage on her..But beyond a point, when the guy is actually going out of the way to make you feel comfortable, the least you can do is acknowledge his efforts and behave with him in a normal friendly manner..Jodha is supposed to be a tender and loving person right? Or thats what i understood😆 Why does she behave in this horrible and ungrateful manner only when it comes to Jalal?😆 CVs, please show some character development..Am sure you want people to root for the love story and JJ as a unit..But here, i see ppl mostly rooting for Jalal..Am sure you don want that😆 On that note, am pretty sure Jalal would have come up with some other solution to the problem..Both MA and Jodha have a very low opinion about the guy😆 And its sad that many viewers jumped to that conclusion too..He is not so bad people..He has the most wonderful heart beneath all the facade😳😆
Edited by rogerrocks - 11 years ago
Autumn_Rose thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 11 years ago
#8
Wonderful post as usual Aunty⭐️
When we saw this jodha sick segment on SBS.. we were all rooting for body heat😆 But for whatever reason, it just looked cheap to me.. it was so badly done. I further hated the fact how he was admiring her when she had done nothing other than just lie on the bed and look pretty. Him admiring her after the poetry made more sense to me. why is jalal running after this woman? couldn't the cvs make them fight about something else? and Jodha😡 What the hell is wrong with her... atleast let the guy speak😡
Jalal will obviously never do IT... what annoys me is why people think its alright if he does it. Its the worst thing that can happen to anyone.
Rukaiya atleast understands him more.


But Jalal's feet are surely going to bleed on that stony, thorny path I had written about the last time. His deewanis in the forum had better keep plenty of lep and bandages ready.



We are always ready😆
Edited by Autumn_Rose - 11 years ago
nandinidavid96 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 11 years ago
#9

Shyamala excellent post as Always...you come up with a different perspective on the whole episode which is missed by most of us beneath romanticizing the leads...!! Did I need to say anything, your are Brilliant

@ Bold...your bang on

"Jalal has gone so forward in character development that he is walking alone, and his apparent soul mate is nowhere near him".

To which I would only add that I too am nowhere near this Jodha, who, just when I get set to start liking her, sends me back to the starting point, again as in snakes and ladders.

Autumn_Rose thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 11 years ago
#10

Originally posted by: elasingh

Excellent post as expected from you...

Yes the first part was great and second was bakwas...
I loved Jallu and Sukanya scene and Jallu and Jodha in Amer...Jodha didn't say verbally thankyou but her eyes said it all...
She was too embarrassed , you see...
I also loved Jallu's hand beneath her cheek...
Hated MA for her cheap talks...She shares it even with AK who acts as if he has never touched a woman in his life...
It was Jallu's day yesterday...Have patience Jodha is going to be madly fall for him...


Yep.. why the hell were Resham Maham and Adham even discussing this🥱 eek

Related Topics

Jodha Akbar Thumbnail

Posted by: Swissgerman

6 years ago

Jodha Akbar FF Who loves Him Most Chapter 78B updated on 08/07/2024

Jodha Akbar FF : --- Who loves Him Most (M) --- Link to my other threads Thread 1 Thread 2 - Thread 3 :::::Thread 4::::...

Expand ▼
Jodha Akbar Thumbnail

Posted by: ParijatDeewani

2 months ago

Jodha Akbar Vm Thread

Hey y'all! I've created this thread so that you'll can easily access all the Akdha Vms in one place. Please feel free to add to the list. 1....

Expand ▼
Jodha Akbar Thumbnail

Posted by: Swissgerman

9 years ago

Jodha Akbar FF: Shahzada of Her Dreams Chapter 48 Updated 20/7/2025

... Shahzada Of Her Dreams ... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Index::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Chapter-1.....The beginning Chapter-2:...

Expand ▼
Jodha Akbar Thumbnail

Posted by: nushhkiee

6 months ago

Jodha Akkineni & Jalal Ahmed of Pale Blue Dot : A Story in Verse 💙

Before you read, This is strictly for die-hard and loyal fans of Pale Blue Dot ...our fellow PBDians ... I've been working on this since...

Expand ▼
Jodha Akbar Thumbnail

Posted by: nushhkiee

6 months ago

Jodha recreated - A beautiful nostalgia 😍

Hello People.....Our Pari just posted her recreated Jodha look for a paid partnership promotion ... absolutely loved it ... she still captures...

Expand ▼
Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".